Ink jet prints fading fast

[Aries]

I have been printing scanned photographs via an HP DeskJet 1220C but find that
over time the prints are fading. Does anyone know what I can do about this
problem - firstly by continuing to use the printer I now have, or would I
perhaps get a better and longer lasting result from a laser printer? Any advice
gratefully received.

[jbuch]

Inkjet printers use dye as colorant. Dyes can fade in sunlight.

Laserjet printers mostly use pigment as colorant. Pigments are often
much more resistant to fading in sunlight.

Old masters painted with oil paints which used pigments and these
pictures often endure well.

Still, there are faded automobile paint jobs, so even with pigments,
there can be fading.

Currently, go with laserjet for more resistance to fading.

There are experts here in laminating or other protectants for inkjet
printing.

Jim

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[Bob Headrick]

"Aries" <nuva...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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You might try the new HP colorfast photo paper, C7013A. Details are available
at the following (you may have to cut and paste the url back together...):
http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/product_detail/whi
ch_product_detail.jsp?product_code=C7013A

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP

[Aries]

"Bob Headrick" <bo...@proaxis.com> wrote in message
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Thanks Bob, I will look into that
Aries

[Aries]

I wish I'd bought a laser printer now Jim, but at the time I didn't realise my
copied photographs might fade. Thanks for the info though.
Val

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[g.r.s...@kpn.com]

In article <9nklql$80q9h$1...@ID-74353.news.dfncis.de>,

"Aries" <nuva...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>I wish I'd bought a laser printer now Jim, but at the time I didn't realise
my
>copied photographs might fade. Thanks for the info though.
>Val

The current line of Epson inkjet printers have long-lasting ink. (10-20 years,
which comes close to standard prints.)
The Epson 2000P uses pigment inks which last about 100-200 years. This is
longer than the best archival print.
Although a print from a laserprinter might last long, I don't believe it's
able to be real photo-quality like the Epsons.

Stefan.

[Aries]

Really! That's amazing - thanks for the information Stefan
Val

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[Nai-Chi Lee]

>In article <9nklql$80q9h$1...@ID-74353.news.dfncis.de>,
> "Aries" <nuva...@btinternet.com> wrote:

...

>The current line of Epson inkjet printers have long-lasting ink. (10-20 years,
>which comes close to standard prints.)

A word of caution: the claimed 10-20 years life expectency for Epson inkjet
prints can be very misleading. It is only an estimation based on the
accelerated lightfastness test of prints under very well-controlled display
conditions. In real life, the display life of your print will be affected
by other factors such as humidity and airborne "containments" (which may
inculde oxygen).

See my Print Longevity test for Epson 1270 prints on various papers:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=14403&a=6231231
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Nai-Chi

[Aries]

That is most interesting - thank you, but I'm confused - in your opinion which
printer, laser or inkjet, will give me the best and longest lasting results? As
I retouch, repair and enlarge old family photographs as part of my small home
business I really need to gather as much information in regard to this problem
as possible. TIA
Val
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[toby]

Probably the best inkjet for longevity is the Epson 2000P as mentioned. I
have one and the quality is excellent--very close to the 1270/80. The 200
yr. longevity figure is conditional--under glass with certain lighting, but
it will certainly beat the dye inks by a long mile. There is a problem with
the black pigment ink called metamerism--it changes apparent color under
different light sources. It is well balanced for fluorescent lighting, but
the blacks tend to get a very greenish cast under natural light. This is why
Epson doesn't recommend this printer for straight black and white prints.
This is more noticeable in some prints than in others (depending on black
levels, color balance, etc.), and is less a problem when using matte paper.
Otherwise the printer is really spectacularly good.

AFAIK no laser printer will give you photorealistic quality. You might check
out dye sub printers. I believe Olympus (???) recently introduced an 8 x 10
inch model with 300 dpi resolution for about $1000. Fuji pictograph printers
will give you excellent photo quality but they are quite expensive I
believe.

Hope that helps,

Toby

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[Aries]

Thanks for your imput Toby - something more for me to digest and think about!
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[Peach]

Aries,

Save the files on a CD.........and, even I think we will be able to read
CD's WAY in the future.....Look, there is still ADAM stuff around....LOL (my
first computer)....LOL

I know this doesn't answer your question, but if you REALLY want to preserve
the prints.......SAVE THE DATA.....DATA is almost forever....PRINTS ARE NOT!

Good Luck.....and my your Great-great-great-great-Grand-children enjoy your
images!

Joe

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[Aries]

Well I do that anyway Joe, but these prints are for my customers who want copies
of their ancestors for framing - hence the worry about fading!
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[jbuch]

From a www.google.com search for "Laserjet print fade" the following
snipped from an HP website showed up......
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UV ink system for hp designjet 5000

Optional UV inks offer long-lasting, light-fast prints
Graphics customers looking for lifelong color constancy now have a new
option with an
optional UV ink system for HP Designjet 5000/5000PS series printers.

The revolutionary new UV printing system-combined with the HP Designjet
5000 series'
42- or 60-inch width and high-speed production print speeds-lets print
service providers,
sign-makers, and retailers quickly produce a full range of long-lasting,
photo-quality prints
for both indoor and outdoor use, including back-lit advertising
displays. The new system
can also be used by fine artists to produce archive-quality light-fast
prints with an expected
indoor fade resistance of up to 200 years
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Maybe not your run of the mill inexpensive inkjet..... but

Jim

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[Aries]

Interesting, but too expensive for my little business - my thanks again Jim
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