Alotofthings.com sucks because they ignore, lie, bully, give excuses, accuses and threaten their customers!!!

[etik...@gmail.com]

I'm posting this on the Internet, that way people that are considering
their ink will think twice. Also, people that are trying to return
Alotofthings.com ink, will have an ideal how. Although
Alotofthing.com has the right to conduct business anyway they want, I
have to disagree with their ethics. Alotofthings is the only company
I know that would ignore, lie, bully, give excuses, accuses, and
threaten their customer. If you google Alotofthings.com you will know
that there are numerous complaints against them. Here are just a few
of the proofs why they suck.....

PROOF #1 - "I have been having a lot of problems with .... inks ....
sold by the likes of www.alotofthings.com"
http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive46-2004-11-108084.html

PROOF #2 - "...they became rude and told me to just send everything
back. Naturally I won't be using them again"
http://www.howtofixcomputers.com/bb/ftopic190382.html

PROOF #3 - "Only half of their cartridges work.....if you call
them .... want to return something. They will not call you back.."
http://www.printerforums.net/t21795-alotofthingscom-ink-does-not-work.html

PROOF #4 - "Got a refill kit ... from Alotofthings, .... the results
are pretty disappointing. None of the colors match .... I've
complained to Alotofthings with no response."
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/19829-3-alotofthings-formulabs-problems-canon

PROOF #5 - "Color accuracy on prints is no where near the OEM or what
I am used to using."
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller9987-p1-s3-d3.html

PROOF #6 "bought them from alotofthings.com. I sent email to their
support and have received no reply"
http://ryxi.com/printers/215-219-g-g-ink-cartridges-read.shtml

PROOF #7 - "Maximum warranty period is 60 days for any item"
http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/article.php?category_id=45&article_id=159)

PROOF #8 - "but when I contacted them .... about returning defective
merchandise, I got unprofessional emails which denied there were any
issues with these carts and that they had done nothing wrong and
implied that I was trying to return another vendor's carts. There were
even off-handed references to getting their legal department
involved."
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6381

I believe Alotofthings.com has some scheme on making sure their
defective ink cartridges never gets returned. I've notice they try to
use these following six tactics if you try to return their ink.....

IGNORE - If you send them an email trying to return some defective
ink, Alotofthings.com will will ignore the email and not respond to
it. (PROOF#3, 4, & 6.) You really need to call them on the
telephone. If you leave a message on their voice mail, they probably
will not call back. Just keep on calling until you get a live person
on the line. After you reach them, ask them why they didn't respond
to your emails. Then they will probably give their renowned lie....
which I will get to next.

LIES - They are going to lie and say they didn't receive the email
because it probably went in their Spam filter. That's crap and
false!!!! When they first told me this, I believed them. Now I think
about it, my guess is.... it didn't go in their Spam filter, it went
in their Scam filter. Their Scam filter is where all the letter from
unhappy customer requesting a return go to. It's just ironic to me
that when I send them email requesting to buy their ink, they
respond. However, when I send them email requesting to return a
defective ink cartridge, they never respond. (PROOF#3, 4, & 6.)
Alotofthings.com has excellent "Sales service", but terrible "Customer
service".

EXCUSES - Some famous excuses are "the product is past the warranty
period so no returns" or "it's not their fault it's the suppliers."
Actually, Alotofthings.com 60 day warranty is a give away on how much
their product sucks. (Proof #7.) Especially since the regular consumer
who purchase ink will easily store it past 60 days before first use.
Then when the consumer discovers it's defective ink, Alotofthings.com
can just say "no refunds, it's past the warranty period". (Another
possibility on why Alotofthings.com ignores emails from customer
requesting a refund is because they are waiting for the 60 days
warranty to expire.)

They also like to blame their suppliers. They claim it's not their
fault....however I question.......Why don't they stop buying that
cheap "Made in 3rd World Country" crap. Why don't they stop buying
from the suppliers that offer the lowest price with worst quality.
Why don't they start using some reputable USA suppliers. Why don't
they follow the business model of companies like Precision Colors who
only use the same reputable supplier all the time. This explains why
on the Internet there are mixed reviews about their products. You
never know what you are getting, sometimes it's sufficient, sometimes
it awful.

ACCUSES- Alotofthings.com actually had the audacity to accuse people
of trying to return a product that is not theirs. (Proof #8.) They
will accuse you of buying it from another vendor. I'm not sure how to
fight this argument. I'm guessing alotofthings.com's legal department
thought of this excuse. It's very clever.

BULLY - If you know you have a case (product within warranty) against
Alotofthing.com, that's when they will become rude to you and act like
a bully. (Proof #2 & 8.) I assume it's to intimidate the customer. I
know that if I dealt with a customer service that acted like a bully,
I would hesitate to return the item. They do this because it will
cause a person to hesitate in spending more money in sending back the
package. When sending out your package, make sure you request a
"receipt confirmation".

THREATENED- If you get them upset, Alotofthings.com could eventually
refer you to their legal department. (Proof #8.) Is this crazy? For
a ink vendor that actually has a legal department must tell you
something about the company. Do they get that many returns that they
need a legal department? Maybe if they spent more money on higher
quality ink, they can spend less money on their legal department.

Although Alotofthings.com has the right to cheat their customers. I
just want to make sure people know that customer have "rights" also.
We have the right to warn others to beware of Alotofthings.com. We
have the right to warn others about this rip off, because even if
Alotofthing.com ink works, the quality is poor. (Proof #1, 3, 4, &
5.) We have the right to tell people that if they are unhappy with
Alotofthings, then they should post on this thread. I hope
Alotofthings.com will learn to work with their customers in the
future, instead of accusing them. (Proof #8.) I forgot to mention,
not only does Alotofthings.com have horrible quality and dreadful
customer service. They also don't have the lowest prices. Check
ebay.com for much lower prices.

[measekite]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm posting this on the Internet, that way people that are considering
their ink will think twice.  Also, people that are trying to return
Alotofthings.com ink, will have an ideal how.  Although
Alotofthing.com has the right to conduct business anyway they want, I
have to disagree with their ethics.

I absolutely agree with everything you are saying.

  Alotofthings is the only company
I know that would ignore, lie, bully, give excuses, accuses, and
threaten their customer. 

Thats the conclusion I came to after a phone conversation a couple of years ago.

 If you google Alotofthings.com you will know
that there are numerous complaints against them.  Here are just a few
of the proofs why they suck.....

PROOF #1 - "I have been having a lot of problems with .... inks ....
sold by the likes of www.alotofthings.com"
http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive46-2004-11-108084.html

PROOF #2 - "...they became rude 

That is an understatement!

and told me to just send everything
back. Naturally I won't be using them again"
http://www.howtofixcomputers.com/bb/ftopic190382.html

PROOF #3 - "Only half of their cartridges work.....if you call
them .... want to return something.  They will not call you back.."
  

So what else is new

http://www.printerforums.net/t21795-alotofthingscom-ink-does-not-work.html

PROOF #4 - "Got a refill kit ... from Alotofthings, .... the results
are pretty disappointing. None of the colors match .... I've
complained to Alotofthings with no response."
  

When asked to name the brand of what they sell and why they did not post is prominently on their website they  became reall snooty.  They refused to disclose what they were selling.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/19829-3-alotofthings-formulabs-problems-canon

PROOF #5 - "Color accuracy on prints is no where near the OEM 

There certainly is not doubt about that.

or what
I am used to using."
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller9987-p1-s3-d3.html

PROOF #6   "bought them from alotofthings.com. I sent email to their
support and have received no reply"
  

So they met expectations.

http://ryxi.com/printers/215-219-g-g-ink-cartridges-read.shtml

PROOF #7 - "Maximum warranty period is 60 days for any item"
http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/article.php?category_id=45&article_id=159)

PROOF #8 - "but when I contacted them .... about returning defective
merchandise, I got unprofessional emails which denied there were any
issues with these carts and that they had done nothing wrong 

I am sure they exceeded expectations in this regard.

and
implied that I was trying to return another vendor's carts. There were
even off-handed references to getting their legal department
involved."
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6381

I believe Alotofthings.com has some scheme on making sure their
defective ink cartridges never gets returned.  I've notice they try to
use these following six tactics if you try to return their ink.....

IGNORE - If you send them an email trying to return some defective
ink, Alotofthings.com will will ignore the email and not respond to
it. 

Oh Yeah

(PROOF#3, 4, & 6.)  You really need to call them on the
telephone.  If you leave a message on their voice mail, they probably
will not call back.  Just keep on calling until you get a live person
on the line.  After you reach them, ask them why they didn't respond
to your emails.  Then they will probably give their renowned lie....
which I will get to next.

LIES - They are going to lie and say they didn't receive the email
because it probably went in their Spam filter. 

Well you certainly do not get that from OEMs

 That's crap and
false!!!!  When they first told me this, I believed them.  Now I think
about it, my guess is.... it didn't go in their Spam filter, it went
in their Scam filter.  Their Scam filter is where all the letter from
unhappy customer requesting a return go to.   It's just ironic to me
that when I send them email requesting to buy their ink, they
respond.  However, when I send them email requesting to return a
defective ink cartridge, they never respond.    (PROOF#3, 4, & 6.)
Alotofthings.com has excellent "Sales service", but terrible "Customer
service".

EXCUSES - Some famous excuses are "the product is past the warranty
period so no returns" or "it's not their fault it's the suppliers."
Actually, Alotofthings.com 60 day warranty is a give away on how much
their product sucks. (Proof #7.) Especially since the regular consumer
who purchase ink will easily store it past 60 days before first use.
Then when the consumer discovers it's defective ink,

I think one is best off using OEM ink.

 Alotofthings.com
can just say "no refunds, it's past the warranty period".  (Another
possibility on why Alotofthings.com ignores emails from customer
requesting a refund is because they are waiting for the 60 days
warranty to expire.)

They also like to blame their suppliers.  They claim it's not their
fault

That is par for the course.

....however I question.......Why don't they stop buying that
cheap "Made in 3rd World Country" crap. 

That is what most of the ink vendors do.

 Why don't they stop buying
from the suppliers that offer the lowest price with worst quality.
Why don't they start using some reputable USA suppliers.  Why don't
they follow the business model of companies like Precision Colors who
only use the same reputable supplier all the time.  This explains why
on the Internet there are mixed reviews about their products. 

 You
never know what you are getting, sometimes it's sufficient, sometimes
it awful.
  

That is what I have been saying in this ng for the past two years but certain individuals slam me for saying this.  May they have sone interest in this.

ACCUSES- Alotofthings.com actually had the audacity to accuse people
of trying to return a product that is not theirs.  (Proof #8.)  They
will accuse you of buying it from another vendor.  I'm not sure how to
fight this argument.  I'm guessing alotofthings.com's legal department
thought of this excuse.  It's very clever.

BULLY - If you know you have a case (product within warranty) against
Alotofthing.com, that's when they will become rude to you and act like
a bully. 

I really believe what you are saying

[Jan Alter]

<etik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fd8ae6d0-85f7-4da2...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...

> Although Alotofthings.com has the right to cheat their customers...

Really?

Well I have to count myself lucky after placing about 5 orders with them
over the past two years and things turning out OK. And when they sent me a
faulty cartridge chip and I emailed them about it they sent me a replacement
within a week. Yes, I must have been very lucky to get away unscathed.

--
Jan Alter
bea...@verizon.net
or
jal...@phila.k12.pa.us

[measekite]

Hundreds of thousands of dog ate dog food last year but only a few hundred died.

Many people brushed their teeth with antifreeze from China but only a few hundred got sick.

Many kids ate lead paint from China but how many are going to get cancer?

If only 5% of their customers get screwed and another 15% do not know they got screwed that is a lot.  Just because you were lucky does not mean anything.

The guy told the truth.  That is how they are.  I have spoken to many of the vendors of crap ink and I find there is a difference between a crap ink vendor and a vendor who sells crap ink.  In some cases one vendor is both.

 And when they sent me a 
faulty cartridge chip and I emailed them about it they sent me a replacement 
within a week. Yes, I must have been very lucky to get away unscathed.
  

 Lucky is the word

[ray]

I found the ink from a lot of things to be of very poor quality.
However they took it all back for a full refund. Maybe a little sugar
instead of vinegar when dealing with customer non support would help.

For an aftermarket ink I found MIS to be pretty good as far as color
match and I use it for my non critical printing. I have yet to find
an aftermarket ink that has fade resistance that approaches Canon OEM.

[Taliesyn]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm posting this on the Internet, that way people that are considering
> their ink will think twice. Also, people that are trying to return
> Alotofthings.com ink, will have an ideal how. Although
> Alotofthing.com has the right to conduct business anyway they want, I
> have to disagree with their ethics. Alotofthings is the only company
> I know that would ignore, lie, bully, give excuses, accuses, and
> threaten their customer.

Seeing anyone can post hate mail in a newsgroup (and I've seen previous
attempts here from the "mk" troll), nothing I see here would dissuade me
from ordering from Alotofthings - except Alotofthings themselves. See,
they don't ship to Canada! Is that a problem for me? No. There are
plenty of other sources of good ink! :-)

-Taliesyn

[Burt]

"Taliesyn" <Tali...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:XoudnXnEqbuiCoHVnZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@colbanet...

Alotofthings did have one glitch some years ago - they shipped a different
ink for the bci-6M carts that gave a decidedly different color balance.
They quickly rectified the problem by shipping the correct ink to all
customers that had received the wrong ink - and they did it without waiting
for each customer to complain. I have friends who use Formulabs inks
exclusively in their Canon printers. They are very particular about their
photo prints and have custom profiles that give them excellent color gamut
and balance. Alotofthings also did an interesting marketing approach a few
years ago in which they sold prefilled bci-6 carts from several
manufacturers and asked the customers to rate them to guide future sales.
Given their good reputation that I've heard about, I would presume that they
pretested these carts to be certain that all the ones they sold were of
suitable quality. Taliesn - you are right that anyone can post a "hit
piece" to defame a vendor.

[Taliesyn]

Add to the fact that on eBay they had positive feedback to the tune of
10,000 or something, which is a far better yardstick to go by than a
couple of anonymous, vicious, hate postings.

-Taliesyn

[DanG]

"Burt" <bjgNOS...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:zY2Tj.13029$GE1....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...

>
> Alotofthings did have one glitch some years ago - they shipped a different
> ink for the bci-6M carts that gave a decidedly different color balance.
> They quickly rectified the problem by shipping the correct ink to all
> customers that had received the wrong ink - and they did it without
> waiting for each customer to complain. I have friends who use Formulabs
> inks exclusively in their Canon printers. They are very particular about
> their photo prints and have custom profiles that give them excellent color
> gamut and balance. Alotofthings also did an interesting marketing
> approach a few years ago in which they sold prefilled bci-6 carts from
> several manufacturers and asked the customers to rate them to guide future
> sales. Given their good reputation that I've heard about, I would presume
> that they pretested these carts to be certain that all the ones they sold
> were of suitable quality. Taliesn - you are right that anyone can post a
> "hit piece" to defame a vendor.
>

I was part of that magenta issue, which was, BTW, not Alotofthings fault.
Formulabs changed the ink and didn't tell anyone.

I've have some attitude from Alotofthings CS reps via email, but only
because I was being a jerk. They're not very good at handling difficult
customers. But they do test everything they sell, which is more than you can
say for 90% of the online ink sellers out there. For bulk inks, there's no
better place to go for quality, and damn few sellers that can tell you it
it's Formulabs or not.

[measekite]

ray wrote:

I found the ink from a lot of things to be of very poor quality.
  

That is very understandable and expected.

However they took it all back for a full refund.  Maybe a little sugar
instead of vinegar when dealing with customer non support would help.

For an aftermarket ink I found MIS to be pretty good as far as color
match and I use it for my non critical printing. 

You certainly would not want to use it for your fine artistic photo enlargements.

 I have yet to find
an aftermarket ink that has fade resistance that approaches Canon OEM.
  

And you won't.

[measekite]

ray wrote:
> *I found the ink from a lot of things to be of very poor quality.*

>
That is very understandable and expected.

> However they took it all back for a full refund. Maybe a little sugar
> instead of vinegar when dealing with customer non support would help.
>
> For an aftermarket ink I found MIS to be pretty good as far as color

> match and I use it for my *non critical printing*.

You certainly would not want to use it for your fine artistic photo
enlargements.

> I have yet to find
> an aftermarket ink that has fade resistance that approaches Canon OEM.
>

And you won't.

[measekite]

ray wrote:

I found the ink from a lot of things to be of very poor quality.
  

That is very understandable and expected.

However they took it all back for a full refund.  Maybe a little sugar
instead of vinegar when dealing with customer non support would help.

For an aftermarket ink I found MIS to be pretty good as far as color
match and I use it for my non critical printing. 

You certainly would not want to use it for your fine artistic photo enlargements.

 I have yet to find
an aftermarket ink that has fade resistance that approaches Canon OEM.
  

And you won't.

[measekite]

Taliesyn wrote:
> etik...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm posting this on the Internet, that way people that are considering
>> their ink will think twice. Also, people that are trying to return
>> Alotofthings.com ink, will have an ideal how. Although
>> Alotofthing.com has the right to conduct business anyway they want, I
>> have to disagree with their ethics. Alotofthings is the only company
>> I know that would ignore, lie, bully, give excuses, accuses, and
>> threaten their customer.
>
>
> Seeing anyone can post hate mail in a newsgroup (and I've seen previous
> attempts here from the "mk" troll), nothing I see here would dissuade me
> from ordering from Alotofthings

That expected from a kid who is wet behind the ears.

> - except Alotofthings themselves. See,
> they don't ship to Canada! Is that a problem for me? No. There are
> plenty of other sources of good ink! :-)

Oh Yeah for Canon, HP and Epson you can get it at Office Depot, Costco,
Staples, Circuit City and many other places.
>
> -Taliesyn

[measekite]

More falsifications

[measekite]

DanG wrote:

"Burt" <bjgNOS...@pacbell.net> wrote in message 
news:zY2Tj.13029$GE1....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
  

Alotofthings did have one glitch some years ago - they shipped a different 
ink for the bci-6M carts that gave a decidedly different color balance. 
They quickly rectified the problem by shipping the correct ink to all 
customers that had received the wrong ink - and they did it without 
waiting for each customer to complain.  I have friends who use Formulabs 
inks exclusively in their Canon printers.  They are very particular about 
their photo prints and have custom profiles that give them excellent color 
gamut and balance.  Alotofthings also did an interesting marketing 
approach a few years ago in which they sold prefilled bci-6 carts from 
several manufacturers and asked the customers to rate them to guide future 
sales. Given their good reputation that I've heard about, I would presume 
that they pretested these carts to be certain that all the ones they sold 
were of suitable quality.  Taliesn - you are right that anyone can post a 
"hit piece" to defame a vendor.

    

I was part of that magenta issue, which was, BTW, not Alotofthings fault. 
Formulabs changed the ink and didn't tell anyone.
  

That is what you get with non OEM ink; even from a reputable company like Formulabs.

I've have some attitude from Alotofthings CS reps via email

That is the way they operate

, but only 
because I was being a jerk.

Still no excuse for their attitude

 They're not very good at handling difficult 
customers. 

They are not very good at handling customers who demand to know what they want to buy.

But they do test everything they sell,

Apparently not very well

 which is more than you can 
say for 90% of the online ink sellers out there. For bulk inks, there's no 
better place to go for quality, and damn few sellers that can tell you it 
it's Formulabs or not. 
  

They say that in only one section of their website and hide what they are selling in the rest.

[Robin King]

"Taliesyn" <Tali...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:XoudnXnEqbuiCoHVnZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@colbanet...
> etik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Seeing anyone can post hate mail in a newsgroup (and I've seen
previous
> attempts here from the "mk" troll),

Have you read the OP's name backwards?

Just sayin' ...

Robin

> -Taliesyn

[-HNN-]

Oh My GAWD !!! It's Mooseshight !!!! phew.... ugh...
retch... cough** ...hack

"Robin King" <mapl...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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[Burt]

"DanG" <nos...@q.com> wrote in message
news:t-idnbCFsfQQS4HV...@comcast.com...

This is one of the instances where our resident Troll's message is so
obviously malicious BS. We DO know the manufacturer of the Formulabs inks,
and no one from Alotofthings substitutes a no-name ink for it in subsequent
shipments. Measekite became angry with Alotofthings because they didn't
take kindly to his attempts to tell them how to run their business several
years ago. He refuses to deal with anyone who sells on eBay (as if he would
have bought their products anyway!) He complained that their web site was
"unprofessional". Much to do about nothing on all accounts.

[Taliesyn]

> He <Measekite> complained that their web site was "unprofessional".

Which begs the question why a ng troll - the epitome of unprofes-
sionalism - would care about professionalism. Measekite spent hours
googling ages old snippets and links for a company he's never had any
intention to deal with. Talk about unprofessional!!!! He then scripted
an intentionally misleading post with malicious misinformation. Yes,
that was very professional of him. How bored does one have to be to do
such a shameful thing??????

-Taliesyn

[measekite]

Stupid come and stupid go. You do not know what my intention was
idiot. Maybe I was looking for a good high quality professional
economic alternative to the high prices of Canon ink. Well I spent a
lot of time finding out there is none. There was none then and there is
none now.

> Talk about unprofessional!!!! He then scripted
> an intentionally misleading post with malicious misinformation.

Lie

> Yes,
> that was very professional of him. How bored does one have to be to
> do such a shameful thing??????
>
> -Taliesyn

This is a dumb canadien kid. I think he will graduate high school this
year. He has no money and needs to scrape his pennies together to print
anything.

[Frank]

measekite wrote:

No, you're just fukkin stupid...period!

You do not know what my intention was
> idiot.

There is no bigger idiot than you meashershithead.

Maybe I was looking for a good high quality professional
> economic alternative to the high prices of Canon ink.

Bullshit! No one here really believes you ever called or contacted any
of these after market companies. You've never, ever used any after
market inks or carts according to you, so why start now?

Well I spent a
> lot of time finding out there is none. There was none then and there is
> none now.

Well, well, well, now you caught yourself in your own lies, you fukkin
liar! If you never, ever used any after market inks or carts then how do
you know none of them aren't any good, huh?
You're a GD lying POS!

>
>> Talk about unprofessional!!!! He then scripted
>> an intentionally misleading post with malicious misinformation.
>
> Lie
>
>> Yes,
>> that was very professional of him. How bored does one have to be to
>> do such a shameful thing??????
>>
>> -Taliesyn
>
> This is a dumb canadien kid.

And you're an old stupid austrian immigrant.

I think he will graduate high school this
> year.

I don't think you ever graduated form kindergarten!

He has no money and needs to scrape his pennies together to print
> anything.

You're the broke, lying loser!
Get lost and don't come back.
Frank

[Arthur Entlich]

We can only hope that Alotofthings.com has as good a legal department as
he professes, and they sue the pants off him. I suggest someone who has
a longstanding relationship with the company send them a copy of his
posting.

Art

[measekite]

Arthur Entlich wrote:
> We can only hope that Alotofthings.com has as good a legal department
> as he professes, and they sue the pants off him.

You think that only the holier than thou one can express his opinion.
He expressed his opinion and I enjoyed it. I think he makes many good
points. And he certainly is entitled to his posting. If you want it
suppressed maybe you should move to Tibet.

It is my opinion that you are one of the sneaky individuals we have in
this world. Just like many of the church goers that think they are so
holy and say such nice things and then go out and do what ever they want
and rationalize it.

[Frank]

measekite wrote:

>
>
> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
>> We can only hope that Alotofthings.com has as good a legal department
>> as he professes, and they sue the pants off him.
>
> You think that only the holier than thou one can express his opinion.
> He expressed his opinion and I enjoyed it. I think he makes many good
> points. And he certainly is entitled to his posting. If you want it
> suppressed maybe you should move to Tibet.

Shut up you moron!

>
> It is my opinion that you are one of the sneaky individuals we have in
> this world.

It is the collective opinion of this ng that you are a lying POS idiot
moron loser.

Just like many of the church goers that think they are so
> holy and say such nice things and then go out and do what ever they want
> and rationalize it.

Lets get this straight meashershithead...you rile against after market
inks and carts yet, by your own admission, you've never used them.
Do you realize just how stupid and insincere and idiotic that makes you
sound?
Frank

[Taliesyn]

measekite wrote:
>
>
> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>> We can only hope that Alotofthings.com has as good a legal department
>> as he professes, and they sue the pants off him.

> You think that only the holier than thou one can express his opinion.

World of legal difference between someone's mere opinion of a company
and the pure shit that was posted to defame a very popular legit company
with thousands of customers. I'd sue for a million bucks! Let's go
for it. Where do I sign as a witness?

-Taliesyn

[measekite]

Taliesyn wrote:
> measekite wrote:
>>
>>
>> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>> We can only hope that Alotofthings.com has as good a legal
>>> department as he professes, and they sue the pants off him.
>
>> You think that only the holier than thou one can express his opinion.
>
> World of legal difference between someone's mere opinion of a company
> and the pure shit that was posted to defame a very popular legit company
> with thousands of customers.

The Yugo was popular also. If you do not like free speech then go to
china. What he said appears very true. I believe everything he said.

> I'd sue for a million bucks! Let's go
> for it. Where do I sign as a witness?

I did not know you knew how to write. Do when do you graduate high school?
>
> -Taliesyn

[Frank]

measekite wrote:

>
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>
>> measekite wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>>
>>>> We can only hope that Alotofthings.com has as good a legal
>>>> department as he professes, and they sue the pants off him.
>>
>>
>>> You think that only the holier than thou one can express his opinion.
>>
>>
>> World of legal difference between someone's mere opinion of a company
>> and the pure shit that was posted to defame a very popular legit company
>> with thousands of customers.
>
> The Yugo was popular also.

That was a car. I bet you didn't know that did you? Do you know the
difference between a car and printer ink?

If you do not like free speech then go to
> china.

Why china. You don't believe ion free speech...are you in china?

What he said appears very true.

Appearances can be very deceiving.

I believe everything he said.

Hahahaha...we all know what you believe...LOL!

>
>> I'd sue for a million bucks! Let's go
>> for it. Where do I sign as a witness?
>
> I did not know you knew how to write.

Yeah, you are that dumb!

Do when do you graduate high school?

You certainly didn't. Is that a commonly used term to degrade some one
in austria...where you come from...?
Frank

>
>>
>> -Taliesyn

[measekite]

Branwynn wrote:

Frank <f...@signm.crt> wrote in
news:481f94b1$0$3392$4c36...@roadrunner.com: 

  

He's Italian and his real name is Frank, a name he also posts as in this
newsgroup. 
  

Are you a clairvoyant?

[measekite]

Branwynn wrote:

measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in
news:9VOTj.14375$V14....@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com: 

Branwynn wrote:
  

He's Italian and his real name is Frank, a name he also posts as in
this newsgroup. 
      

Are you a clairvoyant?
    

Google's pretty good with last names too.
  

You are showing your intelligence or lack of.

[measekite]

Branwynn wrote:

Frank <f...@signm.crt> wrote in
news:481f94b1$0$3392$4c36...@roadrunner.com: 

  

measekite wrote:

    

He's Italian and his real name is Frank, a name he also posts as in this
newsgroup. 
  

Are you talking about ...LOL!

[measekite]

Taliesyn wrote:
> measekite wrote:
>>
>>
>> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>> We can only hope that Alotofthings.com has as good a legal
>>> department as he professes, and they sue the pants off him.
>
>> You think that only the holier than thou one can express his opinion.
>
> World of legal difference between someone's mere opinion of a company
> and the pure shit that was posted

That was the truth as that poster saw it and I certainly believe what he
said.

> to defame a very popular legit company
> with thousands of customers.

Ford and Firestone has 1,000 of customers also and many expressed their
opinions also.

[Frank]

measekite wrote:
>
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>
>> measekite wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>>
>>>> We can only hope that Alotofthings.com has as good a legal
>>>> department as he professes, and they sue the pants off him.
>>
>>
>>> You think that only the holier than thou one can express his opinion.
>>
>>
>> World of legal difference between someone's mere opinion of a company
>> and the pure shit that was posted
>
> That was the truth as that poster saw it and I certainly believe what he
> said.

You believe that everything you post is the truth.
Guess what...it isn't!

>
>> to defame a very popular legit company
>> with thousands of customers.
>
> Ford and Firestone has 1,000 of customers also and many expressed their
> opinions also.

What does that have to do with ink?
Oh, you don't know, do you?
Do you have a functioning brain? Wait, don't answer...we all already
know the answer...NO YOU DON'T HAVE A REAL FUNCTIONING BRAIN!!!
Frank

[etik...@gmail.com]

according to this link....

http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/article.php?article_id=585

they have stopped responding to their own email address. The question
is why?

Do they have they many complaints that they can't handle it and just
stop responding? Maybe they have so many disgruntled customers that
are sending them junk mail. Either way, a company that closes down
their "support" email address is questionable.

[Frank]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:

Pick up the GD phone and call them or else just STFU!!!
Asshole!
Frank

[Burt]

<etik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9155e35b-1509-4f2c...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

Another attempt to soil the reputation of a vendor that has a history of
good products and service. 320,000 emails in one short time period is
obviously one of these hacker dirty tricks to jam a mailbox. Moosetripe
strikes again! Time to kill file his mirror image.

[measekite]

If that is the case I do think that any company where you cannot contact
for customer support is not worth doing business with. I found that my
contact with that company not to my liking.

[Frank]

measekite wrote:
>

>>
>
> If that is the case I do think that any company where you cannot contact
> for customer support is not worth doing business with. I found that my
> contact with that company not to my liking.

I think you're lying. You've stated in this ng that you've never ever
used any after market inks or carts. So why would you bother to contact
an after market ink company in the first place, huh?
Frank

[Taliesyn]

Don't you have a real hobby or anything? Posting hate mail about a
company you've never dealt with is not a hobby, it's a crime.

-Taliesyn

[measekite]

You are a real nut case. You must have graduated high school by now but
maybe you flunked a course.

[Frank]

measekite wrote:
>
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>
>> etik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> according to this link....
>>>
>>> http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/article.php?article_id=585
>>>
>>> they have stopped responding to their own email address. The question
>>> is why?
>>>
>>> Do they have they many complaints that they can't handle it and just
>>> stop responding? Maybe they have so many disgruntled customers that
>>> are sending them junk mail. Either way, a company that closes down
>>> their "support" email address is questionable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't you have a real hobby or anything? Posting hate mail about a
>> company you've never dealt with is not a hobby, it's a crime.
>>
>> -Taliesyn
>>
> You are a real nut case.

hehehe...now the irony of that statement is really funny!

You must have graduated high school by now but
> maybe you flunked a course.

You are an austrian fascist atheist pig. How a loser like you ever got
into this country is simply amazing. You're a sick, lying POS and I've
monitored every ng you frequent and guess what? No...and I mean no one,
likes you, your comments or your stupid, childish "snaps" that you call
photos.
Best you get lost and don't show your ignorant, stupid ass ever again in
any ng!
Frank... cause I'll bust your little balls every chance I get you
degenerate lying moron atheist POS loser!

[etik...@gmail.com]

Taliesyn wrote:
>
> Add to the fact that on eBay they had positive feedback to the tune of
> 10,000 or something, which is a far better yardstick to go by than a
> couple of anonymous, vicious, hate postings.
>
> -Taliesyn

Have you ever bought an aftermarket rechargable battery off ebay for
90% off OEM? Will if you did, you will notice that these aftermarket
batteries barely last a year. However, they are great during the
first few months. When somebody rates a seller on ebay, they have to
rate them in a matter of weeks. Once you rate them, you can not
change the rating, even if later onl you find out that product sucks.

My point is that the only reason alotofthings.com got these high
rating is because the purchaser isn't allowed to change their rating.
I would of changed my rating to zero stars if I am allowed to. I
purchased their stuff and didn't use it for a few months. That was my
problem.

[measekite]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:

Taliesyn wrote:
  

Add to the fact that on eBay they had positive feedback to the tune of
10,000 or something, which is a far better yardstick to go by than a
couple of anonymous, vicious, hate postings.

-Taliesyn
    

Have you ever bought an aftermarket rechargable battery off ebay for
90% off OEM?  Will if you did, you will notice that these aftermarket
batteries barely last a year.  

You need to know that answering him is a waste of time.  He is a allowance penny pinching high school kid who buys aftermarket anything and thinks it is the best.

However, they are great during the
first few months.  When somebody rates a seller on ebay, they have to
rate them in a matter of weeks.  Once you rate them, you can not
change the rating, even if later onl you find out that product sucks.

My point is that the only reason alotofthings.com got these high
rating is because the purchaser isn't allowed to change their rating.
  

I believe you.

I would of changed my rating to zero stars if I am allowed to. 

Oh Yeah

 I
purchased their stuff and didn't use it for a few months.  That was my
problem.
  

You get what you pay for but sometimes you do not even get that.

[Taliesyn]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>> Add to the fact that on eBay they had positive feedback to the tune of
>> 10,000 or something, which is a far better yardstick to go by than a
>> couple of anonymous, vicious, hate postings.
>>
>> -Taliesyn
>
> Have you ever bought an aftermarket rechargable battery off ebay for
> 90% off OEM? Will if you did, you will notice that these aftermarket
> batteries barely last a year. However, they are great during the
> first few months.

Yeah, so what. I'll only be using a camera that uses this specific
battery for only 2 to 3 years. This is my 3rd year. Then my plans are to
buy another brand camera which uses a different battery type. If eBay
cheapies last but a year then my battery costs are under $20 for that
period. If I bought an OEM battery my cost might be $70 (in Canada) for
a battery that might last longer than the camera. Money wasted! If you
plan to keep your camera until either it or you becomes obsolete, then
that is your own business. I've bought 2 cheapie batteries so far and
am 100 percent satisfied with the battery life (for the price) and the
efficient dealer that shipped my batteries faster than I could say
"Measekite is trolling again". ;-)

But thank you Measekite for giving me the opportunity to say some nice
things about eBay batteries. Thank God for dealers that help me save
money by not forcing me to buy "Lexus" versions of batteries that I
really don't need. If they last a year for $5.... fantastic!!!!

-Taliesyn

[measekite]

Taliesyn wrote:
> etik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Taliesyn wrote:
>>> Add to the fact that on eBay they had positive feedback to the tune of
>>> 10,000 or something, which is a far better yardstick to go by than a
>>> couple of anonymous, vicious, hate postings.
>>>
>>> -Taliesyn
>>
>> Have you ever bought an aftermarket rechargable battery off ebay for
>> 90% off OEM? Will if you did, you will notice that these aftermarket
>> batteries barely last a year. However, they are great during the
>> first few months.
>
> Yeah, so what. I'll only be using a camera that uses this specific
> battery for only 2 to 3 years. This is my 3rd year. Then my plans are to
> buy another brand camera which uses a different battery type. If eBay
> cheapies last but a year then my battery costs are under $20 for that
> period.

This is a penny pinching allowance scripting high school kid who only
cares about spending less.

> If I bought an OEM battery my cost might be $70 (in Canada) for
> a battery that might last longer than the camera. Money wasted! If you
> plan to keep your camera until either it or you becomes obsolete, then
> that is your own business. I've bought 2 cheapie batteries so far and
> am 100 percent satisfied with the battery life

> (for the price)
that means the the battery is really not up to snuff but he spent less
so he tries to justify it

> and the
> efficient dealer that shipped my batteries faster than I could say
> "Measekite is trolling again". ;-)
>
> But thank you Measekite for giving me the opportunity to say some nice
> things about eBay batteries. Thank God for dealers that help me save
> money by not forcing me to buy "Lexus" versions of batteries that I
> really don't need.

You are always happy with a Yugo

> If they last a year for $5.... fantastic!!!!

Unless they catch fire or blow up
>
> -Taliesyn

[Stryker]

> You are always happy with a Yugo

> Unless they catch fire or blow up

WTF! A Yugo... get with the 21st century... you use an example of a car that
has been gone since the 90's. And also... Yugos weren't really that bad...
they were actually better than most high priced piece of crap, name brand
cars today... and yugos were throwaway cars... go figure.... measekite,
your observations of anything 3rd party or low cost is purely crap. I bought
a video camera in 2000 and bought a 3rd party battery for it... I got 7
years from that battery... better than the OEM crap that came with it...
You are not one to spout off about 3rd party anything when you said
yourself, you have never used them.

Stryker®

[measekite]

Stryker wrote:
>
>> You are always happy with a Yugo
>
>> Unless they catch fire or blow up
>
>
> WTF! A Yugo... get with the 21st century... you use an example of a
> car that has been gone since the 90's. And also... Yugos weren't
> really that bad... they were actually better than most high priced
> piece of crap, name brand cars today... and yugos were throwaway
> cars... go figure.... measekite, your observations of anything 3rd
> party or low cost is purely crap.

Not all but most of the time. And Yugos were garbage and the fact yu
think they are better than todays high price pieces of crap makes you a
good candidate for aftermarket crap ink.

> I bought a video camera in 2000 and bought a 3rd party battery for
> it... I got 7 years from that battery...

The issue with batteries is you never know if they are going to catch
fire. Even OEMs have had problems but much of the no name crap that
comes from china is dangerously bad.

> better than the OEM crap that came with it... You are not one to spout
> off about 3rd party anything when you said yourself, you have never
> used them.

I have used 3rd party products most of which were put out by major
retailers. That is somewhat different than from a fly by niter who has
a website.
>
> Stryker®
>
>

[Taliesyn]

measekite wrote:
>
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>> etik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Taliesyn wrote:
>>>> Add to the fact that on eBay they had positive feedback to the tune of
>>>> 10,000 or something, which is a far better yardstick to go by than a
>>>> couple of anonymous, vicious, hate postings.
>>>>
>>>> -Taliesyn
>>>
>>> Have you ever bought an aftermarket rechargable battery off ebay for
>>> 90% off OEM? Will if you did, you will notice that these aftermarket
>>> batteries barely last a year. However, they are great during the
>>> first few months.
>>
>> Yeah, so what. I'll only be using a camera that uses this specific
>> battery for only 2 to 3 years. This is my 3rd year. Then my plans are to
>> buy another brand camera which uses a different battery type. If eBay
>> cheapies last but a year then my battery costs are under $20 for that
>> period.

> This is a penny pinching allowance scripting high school kid who only
> cares about spending less.

Penny pinching? The difference between a $5 battery and a $70 one is
not measured in pennies but in DOZENS of dollars - 5 dozen Dollars, to
be exact (6,500 pennies).

>> If I bought an OEM battery my cost might be $70 (in Canada) for
>> a battery that might last longer than the camera. Money wasted! If you
>> plan to keep your camera until either it or you becomes obsolete, then
>> that is your own business. I've bought 2 cheapie batteries so far and
>> am 100 percent satisfied with the battery life (for the price)

> that means the the battery is really not up to snuff but he spent less
> so he tries to justify it

I saved $60 dollars - that's justification enough. For that amount I can
buy a new $5 battery every year for the next 12 years regardless of the
camera type I buy.

>> and the
>> efficient dealer that shipped my batteries faster than I could say
>> "Measekite is trolling again". ;-)
>>
>> But thank you Measekite for giving me the opportunity to say some nice
>> things about eBay batteries. Thank God for dealers that help me save
>> money by not forcing me to buy "Lexus" versions of batteries that I
>> really don't need.

> You are always happy with a Yugo

Changing the subject because you're losing is not an acceptable
argument.

>> If they last a year for $5.... fantastic!!!!

> Unless they catch fire or blow up

The only Chinese product that has ever blown up for me was a
firecracker. But it was my own fault, I put a match to it. ;-)

OEM batteries have been catching fire too according to news stories.
So why buy a $70 battery that may catch fire when I can get a $5 battery
to do the very same thing!

-Taliesyn

[measekite]

Dollars to high schoolers pennies to the rest. It may or may not do the
same thing and I do not mean powering a device. I am speaking about
safety and the fact is the chances of greater risk lies with a noname
that was probably made in china.
>
>
> -Taliesyn

[Frank]

Grow up you childish idiot moron!

It may or may not do the
> same thing and I do not mean powering a device.

What else is battery good for you idiot!

I am speaking about
> safety and the fact is the chances of greater risk lies with a noname
> that was probably made in china.

Your brain was proly made in china...if you even have one...which is now
in great doubt...LOL!
Frank
>
>>
>>
>> -Taliesyn

[Stryker]

>> Taliesyn wrote:

> The only Chinese product that has ever blown up for me was a firecracker.
> But it was my own fault, I put a match to it. ;-)

SWEET!!!!! Nice one!!!

Stryker®

[TJ]

I bought a pack of "Ultralast" nimh AA batteries on Ebay about three and
a half years ago. I don't remember what I paid any more now, but it
wasn't anywhere near what I would have had to pay for Eveready,
Duracell, or another "name brand." According to the label, they were
made in China. I'm not sure when the vendor does his flying - it could
be at night for all I care. I've used the batteries in walkie-talkies,
digital cameras, and a cordless mouse. Haven't lost one yet, and they
all seem to last as long on a charge now as when they were new, longer
than some of the big names I've tried. I charge them either using the
charger for the device, or in a Panasonic charger I bought at a garage
sale. No fires, no explosions, no leaking, no trouble. If I ever need
more, I'd buy more of these in a heartbeat.

TJ

[etik...@gmail.com]

Taliesyn,

I knew you were going to fall for it. You just proved that you are
nothing but a liar. Everybody knows that the non-oem, generic, china
made after market camera battery suck. Check Consumer's Report for a
profession review. Better yet, check amazon.com for more realistic
customer's reviews. On amazon.com you know these customer's reviews
are more accurate since these can be written anytime.

Here's a perfect example....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00007GWBV/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Going back to the original subject of after market ink.....The only
reason why you think that after market ink is such high quality is
probably because the only thing you print are those black and white
high school term papers. Also, it's okay for you to purchase the
after market camera batteries. I figure that if you purchased an
after market battery, you will have to sacrifice your lunch money for
only 2 days. Now if you purchased the OEM camera battery, then you
would have to sacrifice your lunch money for 1 month.

Be careful when you respond to my post. Somebody like me, could be
setting you up. Just like I did to make you look stupid.

Haha

[etik...@gmail.com]

> I bought a pack of "Ultralast" nimh AA batteries on Ebay about three and
> a half years ago. I don't remember what I paid any more now, but it
> wasn't anywhere near what I would have had to pay for Eveready,
> Duracell, or another "name brand." According to the label, they were
> made in China. I'm not sure when the vendor does his flying - it could
> be at night for all I care. I've used the batteries in walkie-talkies,
> digital cameras, and a cordless mouse. Haven't lost one yet, and they
> all seem to last as long on a charge now as when they were new, longer
> than some of the big names I've tried. I charge them either using the
> charger for the device, or in a Panasonic charger I bought at a garage
> sale. No fires, no explosions, no leaking, no trouble. If I ever need
> more, I'd buy more of these in a heartbeat.
>
> TJ

TJ,

Ultralast is a brand name company. They're not as big as Eveready or
Duracell, but they are brand name. Ultralast is part of North
American Battery Company and they're stuff actually come out under
different brands like Again and Again and Nitro Power. They do make
good stuff though. They are sold at Fry's, Radio Shack, Best Buys and
other big company. So you haven't tried the nonbrand, generic, china
made, aftermarket cheap stuff that I am talking about.

Here's their homepage....

http://www.nabcorp.com/index.php

[etik...@gmail.com]

Burt wrote:

>
> Another attempt to soil the reputation of a vendor that has a history of
> good products and service. 320,000 emails in one short time period is
> obviously one of these hacker dirty tricks to jam a mailbox. Moosetripe
> strikes again! Time to kill file his mirror image.

Burt,

Alotofthings.com has spam filters. In other words, I would have to
believe that the 320,000 emails are disgruntled customers.

Even though if you are right, and it was a dirty trick, you got to ask
why would a hacker be so upset at a company that they would send them
320,000 emails. Maybe it because their ink sucks! Maybe it's
because their customer service suck! Maybe it's because their whole
company sucks!

[acuzine]

measekite;941964 Wrote:
> ray wrote:
>
> *I found the ink from a lot of things to be of very poor quality.*
>
> That is very understandable and expected.
>
>
> However they took it all back for a full refund. Maybe a little sugar
> instead of vinegar when dealing with customer non support would help.
> For an aftermarket ink I found MIS to be pretty good as far as color
> match and I use it for my *non critical printing*.
>
> You certainly would not want to use it for your fine artistic photo
> enlargements.
>
>
> I have yet to find an aftermarket ink that has fade resistance that
> approaches Canon OEM.
>
> And you won't.
>
>
> On Fri, 2 May 2008 19:52:10 -0700 (PDT), 'etik...@gmail.com'
> (mailto:etik...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm posting this on the Internet, that way people that are considering
> their ink will think twice. Also, people that are trying to return
> Alotofthings.com ink, will have an ideal how. Although Alotofthing.com
> has the right to conduct business anyway they want, I have to disagree
> with their ethics. Alotofthings is the only company I know that would
> ignore, lie, bully, give excuses, accuses, and threaten their customer.
> If you google Alotofthings.com you will know that there are numerous
> complaints against them. Here are just a few of the proofs why they
> suck..... PROOF #1 - "I have been having a lot of problems with ....
> inks .... sold by the likes of 'www.alotofthings.com'
> (http://www.alotofthings.com)'\"
> http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive46-2004-11-108084.html PROOF #2 - \"'
> (http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive46-2004-11-108084.htmlPROOF#2-)...they
> became rude and told me to just send everything back. Naturally I won't
> be using them again'\"
> http://www.howtofixcomputers.com/bb/ftopic190382.html PROOF #3 - \"'
> (http://www.howtofixcomputers.com/bb/ftopic190382.htmlPROOF#3-)Only
> half of their cartridges work.....if you call them .... want to return
> something. They will not call you back..'\"
> http://www.printerforums.net/t21795-alotofthingscom-ink-does-not-work.html
> PROOF #4 - \"' (http://tinyurl.com/4zeuw6)Got a refill kit ... from
> Alotofthings, .... the results are pretty disappointing. None of the
> colors match .... I've complained to Alotofthings with no response.'\"
> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/19829-3-alotofthings-formulabs-problems-canon
> PROOF #5 - \"' (http://tinyurl.com/44a2tn)Color accuracy on prints is
> no where near the OEM or what I am used to using.'\"
> http://www.resellerratings.com/seller9987-p1-s3-d3.html PROOF #6 \"'
> (http://www.resellerratings.com/seller9987-p1-s3-d3.htmlPROOF#6)bought
> them from alotofthings.com. I sent email to their support and have
> received no reply'\"
> http://ryxi.com/printers/215-219-g-g-ink-cartridges-read.shtml PROOF
> #7 - \"' (http://tinyurl.com/3jkha3)Maximum warranty period is 60 days
> for any item'\"
> http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/article.php?category_id=45&amp;article_id=159)
> PROOF #8 - \"' (http://tinyurl.com/4xpccj)but when I contacted them
> .... about returning defective merchandise, I got unprofessional emails
> which denied there were any issues with these carts and that they had
> done nothing wrong and implied that I was trying to return another
> vendor's carts. There were even off-handed references to getting their
> legal department involved."
> http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6381 I believe
> Alotofthings.com has some scheme on making sure their defective ink
> cartridges never gets returned. I've notice they try to use these
> following six tactics if you try to return their ink..... IGNORE - If
> you send them an email trying to return some defective ink,
> Alotofthings.com will will ignore the email and not respond to it.
> (PROOF#3, 4, &amp; 6.) You really need to call them on the telephone.
> If you leave a message on their voice mail, they probably will not call
> back. Just keep on calling until you get a live person on the line.
> After you reach them, ask them why they didn't respond to your emails.
> Then they will probably give their renowned lie.... which I will get to
> next. LIES - They are going to lie and say they didn't receive the
> email because it probably went in their Spam filter. That's crap and
> false!!!! When they first told me this, I believed them. Now I think
> about it, my guess is.... it didn't go in their Spam filter, it went in
> their Scam filter. Their Scam filter is where all the letter from
> unhappy customer requesting a return go to. It's just ironic to me
> that when I send them email requesting to buy their ink, they respond.
> However, when I send them email requesting to return a defective ink
> cartridge, they never respond. (PROOF#3, 4, &amp; 6.)
> Alotofthings.com has excellent "Sales service", but terrible "Customer
> service". EXCUSES - Some famous excuses are "the product is past the
> warranty period so no returns" or "it's not their fault it's the
> suppliers." Actually, Alotofthings.com 60 day warranty is a give away
> on how much their product sucks. (Proof #7.) Especially since the
> regular consumer who purchase ink will easily store it past 60 days
> before first use. Then when the consumer discovers it's defective ink,
> Alotofthings.com can just say "no refunds, it's past the warranty
> period". (Another possibility on why Alotofthings.com ignores emails
> from customer requesting a refund is because they are waiting for the
> 60 days warranty to expire.) They also like to blame their suppliers.
> They claim it's not their fault....however I question.......Why don't
> they stop buying that cheap "Made in 3rd World Country" crap. Why
> don't they stop buying
>
>
>
> &gt;from the suppliers that offer the lowest price with worst quality.
>
>
>
>
> Why don't they start using some reputable USA suppliers. Why don't
> they follow the business model of companies like Precision Colors who
> only use the same reputable supplier all the time. This explains why
> on the Internet there are mixed reviews about their products. You
> never know what you are getting, sometimes it's sufficient, sometimes
> it awful. ACCUSES- Alotofthings.com actually had the audacity to
> accuse people of trying to return a product that is not theirs. (Proof
> #8.) They will accuse you of buying it from another vendor. I'm not
> sure how to fight this argument. I'm guessing alotofthings.com's legal
> department thought of this excuse. It's very clever. BULLY - If you
> know you have a case (product within warranty) against Alotofthing.com,
> that's when they will become rude to you and act like a bully. (Proof #2
> &amp; 8.) I assume it's to intimidate the customer. I know that if I
> dealt with a customer service that acted like a bully, I would hesitate
> to return the item. They do this because it will cause a person to
> hesitate in spending more money in sending back the package. When
> sending out your package, make sure you request a "receipt
> confirmation". THREATENED- If you get them upset, Alotofthings.com
> could eventually refer you to their legal department. (Proof #8.) Is
> this crazy? For a ink vendor that actually has a legal department must
> tell you something about the company. Do they get that many returns
> that they need a legal department? Maybe if they spent more money on
> higher quality ink, they can spend less money on their legal
> department. Although Alotofthings.com has the right to cheat their
> customers. I just want to make sure people know that customer have
> "rights" also. We have the right to warn others to beware of
> Alotofthings.com. We have the right to warn others about this rip off,
> because even if Alotofthing.com ink works, the quality is poor. (Proof
> #1, 3, 4, &amp; 5.) We have the right to tell people that if they are
> unhappy with Alotofthings, then they should post on this thread. I hope
> Alotofthings.com will learn to work with their customers in the future,
> instead of accusing them. (Proof #8.) I forgot to mention, not only
> does Alotofthings.com have horrible quality and dreadful customer
> service. They also don't have the lowest prices. Check ebay.com for
> much lower prices.

A consumer act law in here is a concern. If the service is not right
then sue that alotofthing to turn their lot to nothing. It's a serious
one and it's gonna be their lost soon. Hear us!

--
acuzine

[TJ]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> TJ,
>
> Ultralast is a brand name company. They're not as big as Eveready or
> Duracell, but they are brand name. Ultralast is part of North
> American Battery Company and they're stuff actually come out under
> different brands like Again and Again and Nitro Power. They do make
> good stuff though. They are sold at Fry's, Radio Shack, Best Buys and
> other big company. So you haven't tried the nonbrand, generic, china
> made, aftermarket cheap stuff that I am talking about.
>
> Here's their homepage....
>
> http://www.nabcorp.com/index.php
>
>
>

Interesting. I see they offer a private label service, where they will
produce a battery and put another company's name on it. So, it's
entirely possible to buy a battery with a name you never heard of that's
actually a quality product. Or would you accuse NAB of making an
inferior product for its private label market?

Another battery name I've used is Lenmar, which is based in California.
They're also sold at Fry's and other retailers you might find
acceptable. Their batteries are of good quality, too - though they also
are made in China. As a matter of fact, I can conceive of a scenario
where a single Chinese battery maker contracts with both NAB and Lenmar
to produce batteries and put each company's label on them. The batteries
themselves are identical - only the outside is different. And I can
conceive that in just such a scenario, if NAB or Lenmar found another
Asian battery maker that would give them a better deal, that they would
switch to the new supplier without alerting their customers about the
change.

So you really don't know what you're getting with them either, do you?
Kinda like buying aftermarket ink.

TJ

[Taliesyn]

I told you before, I'll tell you again. I DO NOT NEED an OEM battery
that costs $70 (in Canada) that might last 10 years. With the price of
high end digital cameras costing about a 1/3 what they did 5 years ago,
I change models every 2 or 3 years, and all the different models use a
different type of battery. I have no wish to be stuck with a $70 lemon
battery I can no longer use when a $5 one will last the 1 or 2 years
that I really only need. Go ahead, buy the expensive ones that last
your lifetime, that's your business, I'm not stopping you. But DO NOT
tell me how to run my cameras or that I should DONATE my hard earned
money to OEMs to make them richer. It's not going to happen.

-Taliesyn

[TJ]

Taliesyn wrote:

>
>
> I told you before, I'll tell you again. I DO NOT NEED an OEM battery
> that costs $70 (in Canada) that might last 10 years. With the price of
> high end digital cameras costing about a 1/3 what they did 5 years ago,
> I change models every 2 or 3 years, and all the different models use a
> different type of battery. I have no wish to be stuck with a $70 lemon
> battery I can no longer use when a $5 one will last the 1 or 2 years
> that I really only need. Go ahead, buy the expensive ones that last
> your lifetime, that's your business, I'm not stopping you. But DO NOT
> tell me how to run my cameras or that I should DONATE my hard earned
> money to OEMs to make them richer. It's not going to happen.
>
> -Taliesyn
>

Not trying to tell you what to do or anything, but if I were you, the
next time I went looking for a camera, I'd look for one that doesn't use
proprietary batteries. There's plenty around that use AA or AAA, and
rechargeables are everywhere. And, the same batteries will probably work
in your NEXT camera, or in something else.

TJ

[TJ]

Taliesyn wrote:

>
>
> I told you before, I'll tell you again. I DO NOT NEED an OEM battery
> that costs $70 (in Canada) that might last 10 years. With the price of
> high end digital cameras costing about a 1/3 what they did 5 years ago,
> I change models every 2 or 3 years, and all the different models use a
> different type of battery. I have no wish to be stuck with a $70 lemon
> battery I can no longer use when a $5 one will last the 1 or 2 years
> that I really only need. Go ahead, buy the expensive ones that last
> your lifetime, that's your business, I'm not stopping you. But DO NOT
> tell me how to run my cameras or that I should DONATE my hard earned
> money to OEMs to make them richer. It's not going to happen.
>
> -Taliesyn
>

[TJ]

Sorry about the duplicate. Stupid news server messed up.

TJ

[measekite]

But he is a high school kid for real and what do you think they do.  They are also misinformed and are big at rationalizations since they need to justify their existence.

[measekite]

TJ wrote:
> etik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> TJ,
>>
>> Ultralast is a brand name company. They're not as big as Eveready or
>> Duracell, but they are brand name. Ultralast is part of North
>> American Battery Company and they're stuff actually come out under
>> different brands like Again and Again and Nitro Power. They do make
>> good stuff though. They are sold at Fry's, Radio Shack, Best Buys and
>> other big company. So you haven't tried the nonbrand, generic, china
>> made, aftermarket cheap stuff that I am talking about.
>>
>> Here's their homepage....
>>
>> http://www.nabcorp.com/index.php
>>
>>
>>
> Interesting. I see they offer a private label service, where they will
> produce a battery and put another company's name on it. So, it's
> entirely possible to buy a battery with a name you never heard of
> that's actually a quality product.

And it is also entirely possible (more likely as the price becomes less)
that the battery is less safe and can cause a fire or ruin the equipment
it powers. The fact that you do not know and have no way of confirming
the quality or lack thereof makes that class a poor buy and a higher
risk. For an extra $20 you cannot even get a tank of gas.

> Or would you accuse NAB of making an inferior product for its private
> label market?
>
> Another battery name I've used is Lenmar, which is based in
> California. They're also sold at Fry's and other retailers you might
> find acceptable. Their batteries are of good quality, too - though
> they also are made in China. As a matter of fact, I can conceive of a
> scenario where a single Chinese battery maker contracts with both NAB
> and Lenmar to produce batteries and put each company's label on them.
> The batteries themselves are identical - only the outside is
> different. And I can conceive that in just such a scenario, if NAB or
> Lenmar found another Asian battery maker that would give them a better
> deal, that they would switch to the new supplier without alerting
> their customers about the change.
>
> So you really don't know what you're getting with them either, do you?
> Kinda like buying aftermarket ink.

Most of the time it is a poor choice.
>
>
> TJ

[measekite]

The kid does not get that you are not just buying longevity but are
buying safety. He would buy a Ford Explorer with Firestone tires if he
could save money (if he had the money which he does not) claiming he
only needs it to go to high school for his senior year and then may not
get a chance to graduate if the truck rolled over.

[measekite]

That is sort of stupid advice. Not that the advice itself is stupid but
the choice of a camera for that specific reason is kind of dumb. That
said I bought a camera that uses AA batteries and choose Duracell
batteries with a 15 minute charger but I choose the camera because it
produced the best images, had a long zoom, had an electronic (poor but
usable) viewfinder, good macro capability, and an articulating LCD. I
did like the fact it was powered by AA batteries but you have bought it
anyway if it had an OEM battery. The camera was also somewhat more
competitive on noise than others in the same class.

[Taliesyn]

My first digital camera used 2 standard AA batteries. Even with NiMH
type batteries they could not match the longevity (charge) of the square
battery used in my current Lumix, a camera I plan to change in the near
future for something more powerful and current. With these square
batteries I've never ever run out of power and rarely received a "low
power" warning. With AAs, "low power" seemed to be a constant issue.
I was forever changing batteries, sometimes carrying 3 sets with me.
With the square type, only 1 backup was kept and I never had to
substitute while shooting.

-Taliesyn

[Taliesyn]

Yes, I understand your psychotic fear of everything - eBay, PayPal,
aftermarket anything, ng experts, etc, etc, etc. But my own experience
has shown that batteries do not explode left, right and center. For the
record, I recharge various battery types (various brands, manufacturers)
several times a week. As you can see, I'm still standing here (5 years
later) amidst all these "incredibly dangerous" batteries and with no
loss of life, limb, or electronic paraphernalia. Bite me! :-) :-) :-)
:-):-)

> He would buy a Ford Explorer with Firestone tires if he
> could save money (if he had the money which he does not) claiming he
> only needs it to go to high school for his senior year and then may not
> get a chance to graduate if the truck rolled over.

Typically totally irrelevant comment. Struck from the record.

-Taliesyn

[Frank]

meashershithead, the idiot moron wrote:

------------------------------------------

Give it up you idiot! It's time you accept the fact that you're a
mentally deranged delusional loser!
Get lost and don't come back.
Frank

[Frank]

meashershithead, the jackass of the web wrote:

---------------------------------------

STOP POSTING IN HTML AND STFU!!!
Frank

[etik...@gmail.com]

Taliesyn wrote:
> My first digital camera used 2 standard AA batteries. Even with NiMH
> type batteries they could not match the longevity (charge) of the square
> battery used in my current Lumix, a camera I plan to change in the near
> future for something more powerful and current. With these square
> batteries I've never ever run out of power and rarely received a "low
> power" warning. With AAs, "low power" seemed to be a constant issue.
> I was forever changing batteries, sometimes carrying 3 sets with me.
> With the square type, only 1 backup was kept and I never had to
> substitute while shooting.
>
> -Taliesyn

Did you ever think that maybe your AA battery suck because you are
buying that generic stuff? Let me give you a perfect example.
According to this link....

http://cgi.ebay.com/NiMH-8x2500mAh-AA-8x-AAA-Rechargable-Battery-Cells-16A_W0QQitemZ220235627020QQihZ012QQcategoryZ64346QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

They claim their AA batteries are rated at 2500 mAh and their AAA
batteries are rated at 1000 mAh. I know somebody who actually
purchased these batteries and I tested them on a computerized battery
charger/tester and real rating of these batteries are:

AA batteries are 500 mAh
AAA batteries at 400 mAh.

The physical weight of the battery is a give away. They are super
light. Afterwards, a complaint was placed, the seller refunded the
full price of the battery, the buyer threw away the battery and
promised to not leave a negative comment on ebay.

Trust me, this brand sucks. I ran the test myself.

[etik...@gmail.com]

Taliesyn wrote:
> I told you before, I'll tell you again. I DO NOT NEED an OEM battery
> that costs $70 (in Canada) that might last 10 years. With the price of
> high end digital cameras costing about a 1/3 what they did 5 years ago,
> I change models every 2 or 3 years,

Are you telling me that you sacrifice your high school lunch money for
2 to 3 years just to buy a new camera I'm going to tell your mommy on
you. She might ground you. Why don't you just sell your bike or
skateboard instead of sacrificing your lunch money? You must be
really skinny. Can you post a picture of your skinny self? If not,
then I understand. The battery for your camera probably doesn't hold
the charge long enough to take 1 picture.

[TJ]

Of course I wouldn't buy a camera based just on the batteries it uses. I
also wouldn't buy one based just on pixel count, either - although that
seems to be the only thing advertisers think is important. I have two
digital cameras, both of which were purchased used. (No, not on Ebay.)
One has 3 times the pixel count of the other, yet the lower resolution
one is by far the better camera. Both, by the way, use AA batteries. The
lower resolution camera isn't too bad on them as long as I don't leave
the screen on all the time and I shut it off when I'm not going to be
using it. It'll run for days on a set of 2000mAh Ultralasts that way.
The higher resolution camera uses more power and is poorer in almost
every other way. But since I only paid 50 cents for it at a charity flea
market, I guess I have no reason to complain.

TJ

[TJ]

OK, YMMV. You use your camera differently than I do. The more powerful a
camera, with more doodads, the more power-hungry it's likely to be. My
needs are simple. All I want is something that takes photos.

TJ

[Burt]

"acuzine" <acuzine...@hardwarebanter.com> wrote in message
news:acuzine...@hardwarebanter.com...
>
> measekite;941964 Wrote:
(snip)
Acuzine - New to this newsgroup? Measekite (aka etikesaem) is our resident
troll. He has never used any aftermarket inks but maligns all non-oem ink
and carts and their vendors. If you choose to respond to him, please do us
a favor and delete his drivel from your posts. He has no personal basis for
his negative comments as he has never used any of these products. He hasa
particular vendetta against Alotofthings because they didn't take kindly to
his telling them how to run their business three or four years ago. He
criticized their web site and objected to the fact that their sales were all
on eBay. I have friends who use Formulabs inks from Alotofthings and are
extremely happy with them. One fellow is a retired engineer who has access
to very sophisticated instruments for evaluating color gamut and similarity
to OEM ink colors. He is extremely critical about the quality of his photo
prints (Canon i9900) and has done his own custom profiles for this printer,
ink set, and the papers he uses.

I use MIS inks and Imaging Specialist inks from Precision Colors. MIS is
listed on the Imaging Specialist web site as one of their vendors. These IS
inks do tend toward the reds with my i960 printer - very similar to the OEM
inks with this printer. These inks are spot on with my wife's ip5000, and
they deliver a neutral gray/black response with this printer as well.

[Taliesyn]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>> My first digital camera used 2 standard AA batteries. Even with NiMH
>> type batteries they could not match the longevity (charge) of the square
>> battery used in my current Lumix, a camera I plan to change in the near
>> future for something more powerful and current. With these square
>> batteries I've never ever run out of power and rarely received a "low
>> power" warning. With AAs, "low power" seemed to be a constant issue.
>> I was forever changing batteries, sometimes carrying 3 sets with me.
>> With the square type, only 1 backup was kept and I never had to
>> substitute while shooting.
>>
>> -Taliesyn
>
> Did you ever think that maybe your AA battery suck because you are
> buying that generic stuff?

None of my NiMH AA, AAA batteries "suck", it's the equipment I used them
on that "sucks" power. All my batteries give power performances
reflecting their respective mAh ratings and age, and are of the
following brands:

(AA) Vapextech 2300 (mAh)
(AAA) Nexcell 800
(AA) Sanyo 2300, Sanyo 2500
(AA) Energizer 1850
(AA) FailSafe 2100

The Energizers gave the poorest performance because of their relatively
low capacity. This was easily noticed since I also used them (except the
AAA ones) in an electric toothbrush and would note how soon I had to
replace them. I did not notice any that performed abnormally poor,
'ceptin' the already noted Energizers. Either way I now use an electric
toothbrush (Oral-B) with a built-in, supposedly waterproof, rechargeable
battery. Highly recommended, works far better than brushes with AA
batteries, whose battery compartments weren't waterproof. I lost several
NiMh batteries due to water damage over the years.

> Let me give you a perfect example.
> According to this link....
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/NiMH-8x2500mAh-AA-8x-AAA-Rechargable-Battery-Cells-16A_W0QQitemZ220235627020QQihZ012QQcategoryZ64346QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>

I've never used BTY brand and cannot comment.

> They claim their AA batteries are rated at 2500 mAh and their AAA
> batteries are rated at 1000 mAh. I know somebody who actually
> purchased these batteries and I tested them on a computerized battery
> charger/tester and real rating of these batteries are:
>
> AA batteries are 500 mAh
> AAA batteries at 400 mAh.
>
> The physical weight of the battery is a give away. They are super
> light. Afterwards, a complaint was placed, the seller refunded the
> full price of the battery, the buyer threw away the battery and
> promised to not leave a negative comment on ebay.
>
> Trust me, this brand sucks. I ran the test myself.
>

If you ran the test the supposed test yourself then it automatically
comes under immediate suspicion. . . ;-)

-Taliesyn

[Taliesyn]

Your childish tantrums when you lose an argument are more typical of a
five-year-old than of an actual adult. At least you give me credit
as a high schooler. I admire that you look up to me!

-Taliesyn

[Taliesyn]

I like the luxury of being able to zoom in great distances, and with
a good mexapixel size. I'm looking at an Olympus digital right now with
18 power zoom. Even with the current 12 power zoom on my Lumix, I find I
still can't pull in certain nature shots close enough. As the rock group
The Who once stated, I won't be happy until "I can see for miles."

-Taliesyn

-Taliesyn

[TJ]

Taliesyn wrote:

> TJ wrote:
>>
>> OK, YMMV. You use your camera differently than I do. The more powerful
>> a camera, with more doodads, the more power-hungry it's likely to be.
>> My needs are simple. All I want is something that takes photos.
>>
>
> I like the luxury of being able to zoom in great distances, and with
> a good mexapixel size. I'm looking at an Olympus digital right now with
> 18 power zoom. Even with the current 12 power zoom on my Lumix, I find I
> still can't pull in certain nature shots close enough. As the rock group
> The Who once stated, I won't be happy until "I can see for miles."
>

The lower-resolution camera I mentioned in another post is an Olympus.
It's old and outdated for a digital camera, only 1.3 megapixels, but the
optics and exposure range are first-rate for a point-and-shoot camera. I
bought it from my nephew after he upgraded to an SLR. Olympus makes good
cameras. This one had very good reviews when it came out.

TJ

[Frank]

measekite wrote:

>
>
> etik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>I'm posting this on the Internet, that way people that are considering
>>their ink will think twice. Also, people that are trying to return
>>Alotofthings.com ink, will have an ideal how. Although
>>Alotofthing.com has the right to conduct business anyway they want, I
>>have to disagree with their ethics.
>>

> *I absolutely agree with everything you are saying*.

>
>> Alotofthings is the only company
>>I know that would ignore, lie, bully, give excuses, accuses, and
>>threaten their customer.
>>

> *Thats the conclusion I came to after a phone conversation a couple of
> years ago.*

>
>> If you google Alotofthings.com you will know
>>that there are numerous complaints against them. Here are just a few
>>of the proofs why they suck.....
>>
>>PROOF #1 - "I have been having a lot of problems with .... inks ....
>>sold by the likes of www.alotofthings.com"

>>http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive46-2004-11-108084.html
>>
>>PROOF #2 - "...they became rude
>>
> *That is an understatement!*

>
>>and told me to just send everything
>>back. Naturally I won't be using them again"
>>http://www.howtofixcomputers.com/bb/ftopic190382.html
>>

>>PROOF #3 - "Only half of their cartridges work.....if you call

>>them .... want to return something. They will not call you back.."
>>
>>

> So what else is new
>
>>http://www.printerforums.net/t21795-alotofthingscom-ink-does-not-work.html
>>
>>PROOF #4 - "Got a refill kit ... from Alotofthings, .... the results

>>are pretty disappointing. None of the colors match .... I've
>>complained to Alotofthings with no response."
>>
>>

> When asked to name the brand of what they sell and why they did not post
> is prominently on their website they became reall snooty. They refused
> to disclose what they were selling.
>
>>http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/19829-3-alotofthings-formulabs-problems-canon
>>
>>PROOF #5 - "Color accuracy on prints is no where near the OEM
>>
> There certainly is not doubt about that.

>
>>or what
>>I am used to using."
>>http://www.resellerratings.com/seller9987-p1-s3-d3.html
>>

>>PROOF #6 "bought them from alotofthings.com. I sent email to their

>>support and have received no reply"
>>
>>

> So they met expectations.
>
>>http://ryxi.com/printers/215-219-g-g-ink-cartridges-read.shtml
>>
>>PROOF #7 - "Maximum warranty period is 60 days for any item"
>>http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/article.php?category_id=45&article_id=159)
>>
>>PROOF #8 - "but when I contacted them .... about returning defective

>>merchandise, I got unprofessional emails which denied there were any
>>issues with these carts and that they had done nothing wrong
>>

> I am sure they exceeded expectations in this regard.

>
>>and
>>implied that I was trying to return another vendor's carts. There were
>>even off-handed references to getting their legal department
>>involved."
>>http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6381
>>
>>I believe Alotofthings.com has some scheme on making sure their
>>defective ink cartridges never gets returned. I've notice they try to
>>use these following six tactics if you try to return their ink.....
>>
>>IGNORE - If you send them an email trying to return some defective
>>ink, Alotofthings.com will will ignore the email and not respond to
>>it.
>>

> Oh Yeah
>
>>(PROOF#3, 4, & 6.) You really need to call them on the

>>telephone. If you leave a message on their voice mail, they probably
>>will not call back. Just keep on calling until you get a live person
>>on the line. After you reach them, ask them why they didn't respond
>>to your emails. Then they will probably give their renowned lie....
>>which I will get to next.
>>
>>LIES - They are going to lie and say they didn't receive the email
>>because it probably went in their Spam filter.
>>

> Well you certainly do not get that from OEMs

>
>> That's crap and
>>false!!!! When they first told me this, I believed them. Now I think
>>about it, my guess is.... it didn't go in their Spam filter, it went
>>in their Scam filter. Their Scam filter is where all the letter from
>>unhappy customer requesting a return go to. It's just ironic to me
>>that when I send them email requesting to buy their ink, they
>>respond. However, when I send them email requesting to return a

>>defective ink cartridge, they never respond. (PROOF#3, 4, & 6.)

>>Alotofthings.com has excellent "Sales service", but terrible "Customer
>>service".
>>
>>EXCUSES - Some famous excuses are "the product is past the warranty
>>period so no returns" or "it's not their fault it's the suppliers."
>>Actually, Alotofthings.com 60 day warranty is a give away on how much
>>their product sucks. (Proof #7.) Especially since the regular consumer
>>who purchase ink will easily store it past 60 days before first use.
>>Then when the consumer discovers it's defective ink,
>>

> I think one is best off using OEM ink.

>
>> Alotofthings.com
>>can just say "no refunds, it's past the warranty period". (Another
>>possibility on why Alotofthings.com ignores emails from customer
>>requesting a refund is because they are waiting for the 60 days
>>warranty to expire.)
>>
>>They also like to blame their suppliers. They claim it's not their
>>fault
>>

> That is par for the course.

>
>>....however I question.......Why don't they stop buying that
>>cheap "Made in 3rd World Country" crap.
>>

> That is what most of the ink vendors do.

>
>> Why don't they stop buying

>>from the suppliers that offer the lowest price with worst quality.
>>Why don't they start using some reputable USA suppliers. Why don't
>>they follow the business model of companies like Precision Colors who
>>only use the same reputable supplier all the time. This explains why
>>on the Internet there are mixed reviews about their products.
>>
>

>> *You
>>never know what you are getting,* sometimes it's sufficient, sometimes
>>it awful.
>>
>>
> That is what I have been saying in this ng for the past two years but
> certain individuals slam me for saying this. May they have sone
> interest in this.

>
>>ACCUSES- Alotofthings.com actually had the audacity to accuse people
>>of trying to return a product that is not theirs. (Proof #8.) They
>>will accuse you of buying it from another vendor. I'm not sure how to
>>fight this argument. I'm guessing alotofthings.com's legal department
>>thought of this excuse. It's very clever.
>>
>>BULLY - If you know you have a case (product within warranty) against
>>Alotofthing.com, that's when they will become rude to you and act like
>>a bully.
>>

> I really believe what you are saying
>
>>(Proof #2 & 8.) I assume it's to intimidate the customer. I

>>know that if I dealt with a customer service that acted like a bully,
>>I would hesitate to return the item. They do this because it will
>>cause a person to hesitate in spending more money in sending back the
>>package. When sending out your package, make sure you request a
>>"receipt confirmation".
>>
>>THREATENED- If you get them upset, Alotofthings.com could eventually
>>refer you to their legal department. (Proof #8.) Is this crazy? For
>>a ink vendor that actually has a legal department must tell you
>>something about the company. Do they get that many returns that they
>>need a legal department? Maybe if they spent more money on higher
>>quality ink, they can spend less money on their legal department.
>>
>>Although Alotofthings.com has the right to cheat their customers. I
>>just want to make sure people know that customer have "rights" also.
>>
>>
>

>>*We have the right to warn others to beware of Alotofthings.com. *

>>
>
>> We
>>have the right to warn others about this rip off, because even if

>>Alotofthing.com ink works, *the quality is poor*. (Proof #1, 3, 4, &

>>5.) We have the right to tell people that if they are unhappy with
>>Alotofthings, then they should post on this thread. I hope
>>Alotofthings.com will learn to work with their customers in the
>>future, instead of accusing them. (Proof #8.) I forgot to mention,
>>not only does Alotofthings.com have horrible quality and dreadful
>>customer service. They also don't have the lowest prices. Check
>>ebay.com for much lower prices.
>>
>>

hehehe...talking to yourself...again?...LOL!
Get some help as obviously you're an insane psycho lunatic idiot moron
POS loser.
Frank

[measekite]

Do not listen to this high school kid. I do not think he did well in
Physics. I have a Canon S5 that uses 4 AA nmhd. Currently I am using a
15 minute rechargeable duracel. I use the EVF more than the LCD and
rarely use the flash. I am getting around 450 shots per charge so I
have not idea what this kid is babbling about.

[measekite]

You gotta be the type of idiot that thinks they do not need car
insurance or home owners insurance (of course when you grow up) or life
insurance.

[measekite]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:

Taliesyn wrote:
  

My first digital camera used 2 standard AA batteries. Even with NiMH
type batteries they could not match the longevity (charge) of the square
battery used in my current Lumix, a camera I plan to change in the near
future for something more powerful and current. With these square
batteries I've never ever run out of power and rarely received a "low
power" warning.  With AAs, "low power" seemed to be a constant issue.
I was forever changing batteries, sometimes carrying 3 sets with me.
With the square type, only 1 backup was kept and I never had to
substitute while shooting.

-Taliesyn
    

Did you ever think that maybe your AA battery suck because you are
buying that generic stuff?  

The kid does not know what he is buying nor does he care as long as its cheap.

[measekite]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:

Taliesyn wrote:
  

I told you before, I'll tell you again.  I DO NOT NEED an OEM battery
that costs $70 (in Canada) that might last 10 years.  With the price of
high end digital cameras costing about a 1/3 what they did 5 years ago,
I change models every 2 or 3 years,
    

Are you telling me that you sacrifice your high school lunch money for
2 to 3 years just to buy a new camera  I'm going to tell your mommy on
you. 

You are scaring the pooch.

 She might ground you. 

That is why he posts so much.

 Why don't you just sell your bike

He only has a trike because it costs less.

[measekite]

Now that we know you paid 50 cents for a bunch of fleas (should have
gotten them for nothing) how much was the camera?

[measekite]

The Energizers are one of the better batteries. The Sanyo Enloops
probably retain more charge when not installed but are somewhat lower in
power.

[measekite]

That certainly is not you.

  At least you give me credit
as a high schooler.

Well he finally admitted he is a high school kid.

[measekite]

Not that great a choice.

[measekite]

TJ wrote:
> Taliesyn wrote:
>> TJ wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, YMMV. You use your camera differently than I do. The more
>>> powerful a camera, with more doodads, the more power-hungry it's
>>> likely to be. My needs are simple. All I want is something that
>>> takes photos.
>>>
>>
>> I like the luxury of being able to zoom in great distances, and with
>> a good mexapixel size. I'm looking at an Olympus digital right now with
>> 18 power zoom. Even with the current 12 power zoom on my Lumix, I find I
>> still can't pull in certain nature shots close enough. As the rock group
>> The Who once stated, I won't be happy until "I can see for miles."
>>
>
> The lower-resolution camera I mentioned in another post is an Olympus.
> It's old and outdated for a digital camera, only 1.3 megapixels,

You are a joke

> but the optics and exposure range are first-rate for a point-and-shoot
> camera. I bought it from my nephew after he upgraded to an SLR.
> Olympus makes good cameras.

Some are OK

> This one had very good reviews when it came out.

Unusable
>
> TJ

[TJ]

I knew you couldn't resist my trap. Once again you have revealed your
petty snobbishness for all to see. Well, for all those who haven't
killfiled you yet, anyway. I won't quote your drivel this time. There's
no need, and it only annoys those who have you killfiled.

There is a huge market for simple, low-cost cameras, and camera makers
would be fools not to exploit it to the fullest. There's also a place
for older cameras that still work well, but might not have all the bells
and whistles of the newer models. They're for people who want to catch a
few memories of their kids as they grow up, of a one-time vacation, or
of someone who may not be around forever. Some people just want a camera
for fun, and they aren't having fun when they have to worry about things
like lighting, focus, and exposure, or how much the camera cost them.
Sometimes, even most of the time, good enough is indeed good enough.
There's nothing wrong with that, and it only diminishes you when you
attempt to make people think there IS something wrong with it.

You are a pitiable creature, Measekite.

TJ

[etik...@gmail.com]

> Taliesyn wrote:
> The Energizers gave the poorest performance because of their relatively
> low capacity. This was easily noticed since I also used them (except the
> AAA ones) in an electric toothbrush and would note how soon I had to
> replace them. I did not notice any that performed abnormally poor,
> 'ceptin' the already noted Energizers. Either way I now use an electric
> toothbrush (Oral-B) with a built-in, supposedly waterproof, rechargeable
> battery. Highly recommended, works far better than brushes with AA
> batteries, whose battery compartments weren't waterproof. I lost several
> NiMh batteries due to water damage over the years.

I only have 2 questions..

1. Does your breath smell that much that you need to use an electric
toothbrush? Dude, stop buying candy from that vending machine at you
high school.

2. When your Oral-B tootbrush wears out, do you buy after market
refills at like 99 cents store?

[etik...@gmail.com]

Frank,
I have 2 thoughts of the day for you.

1. Alotofthings.com should change their name to alotofcrap.com.

2. Hobbicolors.com should also change their name...maybe to
hobbicrap.com.

[Frank]

meashershithead, talking to yourself is the sure sign that you're
mentally insane.
Frank

[Frank]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:

Try to get a real life meashershithead.
Frank

[measekite]

TJ wrote:
> I knew you couldn't resist my trap. Once again you have revealed your
> petty snobbishness for all to see. Well, for all those who haven't
> killfiled you yet, anyway. I won't quote your drivel this time.
> There's no need, and it only annoys those who have you killfiled.
>
> There is a huge market for simple, low-cost cameras, and camera makers
> would be fools not to exploit it to the fullest. There's also a place
> for older cameras that still work well, but might not have all the
> bells and whistles of the newer models. They're for people who want to
> catch a few memories of their kids as they grow up, of a one-time
> vacation, or of someone who may not be around forever. Some people
> just want a camera for fun, and they

> aren't having fun when they have to worry about things like lighting,
> focus, and exposure,

The above statement is dumb and stupid. I am surprised at you saying
that. Even a pinhole camera ( the most simple of all) you need to have
good exposure and focus to have any kind of picture. And lighting does
make for a better and more interesting photo or snapshot.

[measekite]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Taliesyn wrote:
>
>> The Energizers gave the poorest performance because of their relatively
>> low capacity. This was easily noticed since I also used them (except the
>> AAA ones) in an electric toothbrush and would note how soon I had to
>> replace them. I did not notice any that performed abnormally poor,
>> 'ceptin' the already noted Energizers. Either way I now use an electric
>> toothbrush (Oral-B) with a built-in, supposedly waterproof, rechargeable
>> battery. Highly recommended, works far better than brushes with AA
>> batteries, whose battery compartments weren't waterproof. I lost several
>> NiMh batteries due to water damage over the years.
>>
>
> I only have 2 questions..
>
> 1. Does your breath smell that much that you need to use an electric
> toothbrush? Dude, stop buying candy from that vending machine at you
> high school.
>

ha ha ha ha

> 2. When your Oral-B tootbrush wears out, do you buy after market
> refills at like 99 cents store?
>

I think he prefers to buy used (not fully used but partially) tooth
brush heads on Ebay so he can then spend the rest of his allowance on
the generic ink he so likes.

[measekite]

etik...@gmail.com wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>> meashershithead, the idiot moron wrote:
>>
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> Give it up you idiot! It's time you accept the fact that you're a
>> mentally deranged delusional loser!
>> Get lost and don't come back.
>> Frank
>>
>
> Frank,
> I have 2 thoughts of the day for you.
>
> 1. Alotofthings.com should change their name to alotofcrap.com.
>

Ah ha ha ha ha

> 2. Hobbicolors.com should also change their name...maybe to
> hobbicrap.com.
>

It is not that I like hobbi colors but I did speak to them and they were
at least courteous. They just refused to tell me what they were selling
so it was impossible to even consider their products.

[Frank]

You're a mentally sick, lying POS. Face it loser, you've never, ever
used any after market inks or carts. So what makes you think (I know
thinking is difficult if not impossible for you) anyone cares what you
say about them?
I along with many others have asked you that question on numerous
occasions but you've never answered.
You're just an immature old man who is proly lonely and starved for
attention.
Get a dog!
Frank

[etik...@gmail.com]

The original article in this thread was regarding how alotofthings.com
and how they ignore, lie, bully, give excuses, accuses and threaten
their customers. The goal was just to let people know that there are
many customers out there that are upset with this company. If you do
plan to buy ink from this company, I would advise you to purchase it
with a credit card. That way just in case this company scams you, you
can dispute it with your credit card company. However, if you have
already been scammed from this company, please post the problem. I
could probably give you some advise as in how to seek restitution.