Canon CLI-8 ink cartridges from eBay - do they work?
Victek
What makes them affordable is the need to remove the chip from the original
cartridge and attach it to the new generic cartridge. There are
instructions for doing this which include pushing the printer's reset button
to "reset the chip memory". Does this actually work? Does the MP530 have a
"reset" button?
irwell
I tried it, didn't work for me.
DanG
"Victek" <vic...@xyz.com> wrote in message
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There's no way to reset the printer, you must disable the ink level
monitoring system to use compatible tanks that have no chip. Personally, I
would not buy ink on Ebay unless I was certain who made it.
Victek
"DanG" <nos...@q.com> wrote in message
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More precisely, the instructions say to transfer the chips from the original
tanks to the replacement tanks. Does that work?
Burt
better than transplanting the chip onto a prefilled aftermarket cartridge.
Less fade resistant, but the colors are quite good with some of the inks
available online and the photo prints are excellent. Check out the
Nifty-stuff forum for information on refilling and decent inks. Hobbicolors
(available on eBay), Formulabs (available from Alotofthings.com) and MIS
inks have been used successfully by many on this usergroup. Pay no
attention to our troll, Measekite, who has never tried aftermarket inks but
spreads misinformation about them whenever they are mentioned.
Victek
>>>> eBay. What makes them affordable is the need to remove the chip from
>>>> the original cartridge and attach it to the new generic cartridge.
>>>> There are instructions for doing this which include pushing the
>>>> printer's reset button to "reset the chip memory". Does this actually
>>>> work? Does the MP530 have a "reset" button?
>>>
>>> There's no way to reset the printer, you must disable the ink level
>>> monitoring system to use compatible tanks that have no chip. Personally,
>>> I would not buy ink on Ebay unless I was certain who made it.
>>>
>>
>> More precisely, the instructions say to transfer the chips from the
>> original tanks to the replacement tanks. Does that work?
> Better to refill Canon OEM cartridges if you wish to save money on ink.
> better than transplanting the chip onto a prefilled aftermarket cartridge.
> Less fade resistant, but the colors are quite good with some of the inks
> available online and the photo prints are excellent. Check out the
> Nifty-stuff forum for information on refilling and decent inks.
> Hobbicolors (available on eBay), Formulabs (available from
> Alotofthings.com) and MIS inks have been used successfully by many on this
> usergroup. Pay no attention to our troll, Measekite, who has never tried
> aftermarket inks but spreads misinformation about them whenever they are
> mentioned.
Good information - thanks - but does moving the chip to a different tank
work? And regardless of which tank the chip is on does the printer have to
be reset in some way to read the ink levels correctly?
tanhkx
It work for me, my is Canon ip4200.
After refill ink, the low level warning is still on (yellow flashing link
on the reset button).
I only need to press the reset button (hold down for 5 sec than release)
after that it continue to print even the ink level show on the monitor
screen is 0).
measekite
Victek wrote:
> Replacement ink cartridges for the Pixma MP 530 are very affordable on
> eBay.
Not really. As a matter of fact they are very expensive. You can ruin
the printhead, produce low quality prints and have many that fade
quickly. Now that to me is expensive.
measekite
measekite
measekite
Victek wrote:
>>>>> Replacement ink cartridges for the Pixma MP 530 are very
>>>>> affordable on eBay. What makes them affordable is the need to
>>>>> remove the chip from the original cartridge and attach it to the
>>>>> new generic cartridge. There are instructions for doing this which
>>>>> include pushing the printer's reset button to "reset the chip
>>>>> memory". Does this actually work? Does the MP530 have a "reset"
>>>>> button?
>>>>
>>>> There's no way to reset the printer, you must disable the ink level
>>>> monitoring system to use compatible tanks that have no chip.
>>>> Personally, I would not buy ink on Ebay unless I was certain who
>>>> made it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> More precisely, the instructions say to transfer the chips from the
>>> original tanks to the replacement tanks. Does that work?
>> Better to refill Canon OEM cartridges if you wish to save money on ink.
Better yet just go to Staples or someplace and buy new Canon ink carts.
More fade resistant and better color quality.
>> better than transplanting the chip onto a prefilled aftermarket
>> cartridge. Less fade resistant, but the colors are quite good with
>> some of the inks available online and the photo prints are
>> excellent. Check out the Nifty-stuff forum for information on
>> refilling and decent inks. Hobbicolors (available on eBay), Formulabs
>> (available from Alotofthings.com) and MIS inks have been used
>> successfully by many on this usergroup. Pay no attention to our
>> troll, Measekite, who has never tried aftermarket inks but spreads
>> misinformation about them whenever they are mentioned.
>
> Good information - thanks - but does moving the chip to a different
> tank work?
More trouble
DanG
> Good information - thanks - but does moving the chip to a different tank
> work? And regardless of which tank the chip is on does the printer have
> to be reset in some way to read the ink levels correctly?
Makes no difference whether you refill or move the chip to a new tank, the
printer's ink level system must be disabled to continue printing with that
chip.
Victek
>> eBay.
>
> Not really. As a matter of fact they are very expensive. You can ruin
> the printhead, produce low quality prints and have many that fade quickly.
> Now that to me is expensive.
FWIW, I've been using generic ink cartridges in my Epson Stylus Color 880
for years without problems. This was one of the last printers that didn't
implement chips on the cartridges so using generics doesn't involve any
gymnastics. I would agree that the "no-names" are not as good as the OEM
carts, but for the printing I do that doesn't require either color accuracy
or longevity the value cannot be beat.
Burt
group or the nifty stuff forum have had success with provides you with a
stable, known product. Using prefilled aftermarket carts can be variable as
the vendor can change the inks without your knowledge. Victek is correct in
that he isn't concerned about color accuracy or longevity and the prefilled
carts work fine for him.
I presently have Canon printers that do not have the chipped carts. I know
people who use prefilled carts and like them, but the chipped carts are
another story. You can even have problems with glitchy chips on new full
Canon carts! Transplanting the chip introduces an additional variable.
When my printers die and I purchase Canon printers with the chipped carts I
will refill OEM carts, just as I do with my current printers.
Victek
>> work? And regardless of which tank the chip is on does the printer have
>> to be reset in some way to read the ink levels correctly?
>
> Makes no difference whether you refill or move the chip to a new tank, the
> printer's ink level system must be disabled to continue printing with that
> chip.
Yes, that is the magic question that no one has addressed so far. Is it not
polite to "go on record" about how the printer's ink level system is
disabled?
DanG
It's a matter of a few button presses. The procedure is available at most
ink seller sites. www.alotofthings.com is one.
http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/article.php?article_id=195
Burt
disabling the ink monitor is (pardon the expression) Canon's little F___ You
for refilling! So far, no one that I know of has been able to circumvent
this problem or restore the monitoring system except by going back to the
use of OEM Canon carts.
DanG
"Francis Fronzaglia" <ffron...@frisco.net> wrote in message
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>
> They beg you to buy their cheap printers (prices constantly dropping)
> and then grab you by the balls (removing printer features) when you
> decide to use alternative inks to their hugely over-priced ones. That
> should not be allowed. That's like buying a coffee kettle of a certain
> brand (Haxwell Mouse) that will only show how much water is in it
> provided you buy their brand of coffee that costs 10 to 20 times more
> than no name coffee. Makes no sense! How can that even be legal? If I
> email this to Canon will they send their men in white coats to take my 4
> Canon printers away and make me pay them the several thousand dollars
> I've saved over the years by not using their unaffordable inks???
>
> Francis Fronzaglia
>
>
All true, but equally true if not more so of the competition. At least Canon
is offering the best printer for the price.
Victek
> and then grab you by the balls (removing printer features) when you
> decide to use alternative inks to their hugely over-priced ones. That
> should not be allowed. That's like buying a coffee kettle of a certain
> brand (Haxwell Mouse) that will only show how much water is in it
> provided you buy their brand of coffee that costs 10 to 20 times more
> than no name coffee. Makes no sense! How can that even be legal? If I
> email this to Canon will they send their men in white coats to take my 4
> Canon printers away and make me pay them the several thousand dollars
> I've saved over the years by not using their unaffordable inks???
>
Good question about the legality. Someday this kind of marketing my be
challenged in court and declared illegal, but it will go on until then. The
simple answer is to charge what the printer is worth and then charge what
the ink is worth - what a concept!
Frank
>>
>
> I am not surprised.
That you are an idiot!
Me neither.
Frank
Frank
-----------more of his usual lies-------------------
Get lost asshole.
We're all so tired of your incessant lies.
Frank
Frank
----lies...and more lies---
How fukkin dumb are you anyway?
Frank
Frank
---more of his big lies---
Hey you old fart...you've never used after market inks so just STFU you
fuckwit moron lying loser.
Frank
Stick Stickus
"Frank" <f...@signm.crt> wrote in message
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I get my cartridges refilled AND the chips reset at my local Cartridge World
in Oxford, UK. I understand that the ink they use is formulated and supplied
by OCP Inks from Germany. In a recent invetigation by Trusted Reviews .com
www.trustedreviews.com Cartridge World refilled cartidges were preferred
over oem cartridges. I have had no problems using this company and lose none
of the functionality of the chips either.
Stick
Bob Headrick
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> They beg you to buy their cheap printers (prices constantly dropping)
> and then grab you by the balls (removing printer features) when you
> decide to use alternative inks to their hugely over-priced ones. That
> should not be allowed. That's like buying a coffee kettle of a certain
> brand (Haxwell Mouse) that will only show how much water is in it
> provided you buy their brand of coffee that costs 10 to 20 times more
> than no name coffee. Makes no sense! How can that even be legal?
Except the way that the low on ink indicators work on most printers is that
they know how much ink the cartridge starts with, then they count how many
drops they spit out (either on paper or in servicing). Based on the few
things they know they can do a reasonable job of estimating the remaining
ink.
In the case of a refill they cannot do this, since they have no way of
knowing how much ink the refiller put in the cartridge. Maybe the refiller
puts in the same amount of ink, but they may put in more or less. The ink
gauge cannot be accurate in this case, and to provide an inaccurate gauge
would lead to various other issues.
- Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging
DanG
"Bob Headrick" <bo...@proaxis.com> wrote in message
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If you knew anything at all about Canon printers, you wouldn't have posted
this.
Burt
used in the last six or so years (or more - I have only been using Canon
printers for about four years) there is an optical sensor that indicates
when the reservoir section is empty. The ink monitor on screen then shows
that the ink level is low. There is then a fairly crude countdown of ink
used for the next few prints after which the monitor signals that the cart
is out of ink. As is the case with other inkjet printers there is still
some ink left in the sponge side of the cart as a safety margin for
preventing printhead damage if it were tocompletely run dry. When the cart
that has signaled low or empty is replaced by another cart (Canon assumes
that you are replacing it with a new fresh OEM cart) the ink monitor shows
that the cart is full. Even if you should put a refilled cart in place that
has only enough ink in it to cover the prism at the bottom of the reservoir
section it will show full. Once the reservoir section is empty, however,
you will get the low ink message. This happens when the prism is no longer
submerged in ink.
What Francis is discussing is the new Canon carts with the chip installed.
Refilling these carts works just fine as far as printing is concerned. The
printer, however, recognizes the cart as empty due to the chip and lets you
know that you will lose your warranty if you continue to print with a
refilled cart. I am not discussing if that is appropriate or not - what is
inappropriate is the fact that Canon then disables the optical sensor system
so you must visually inspect the refilled carts periodically to avoid
running them dry and ruining the printhead. They actually contribute to the
potential destruction of your printhead - absolutely a punative measure to
force the use of new OEM ink carts.
There are absolutely some junk inks out there. There are, however, several
brands of ink that cause no damage to the printer or printhead. The user
may chose to use aftermarket inks and accept the possibility that these inks
are less fade resistant than OEM inks. Should Canon still warranty their
printheads if the printers are used with aftermarket inks? That is their
call. They should not, however use punative measures that have no purpose
except to damage your printhead by disabling the safety measure built in to
the carts (refilled or not), the printer, and the ink monitor software.
measekite
measekite
Well if you print a lot and it does not clog the printhead because of
that then continue. At least you admit that the no names do not provide
the quality that the OEM ink does. You cannot say that about many of
the idiots that post in this forum who just lie thru their teeth. Maybe
some are penniless kids and others are old farts that are trying to
stretch their social security.
measekite
Francis Fronzaglia wrote:
> "Burt" <nos...@pacbell.net> wrote in
> news:gxi7j.4757$Dt4....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
> They beg you to buy their cheap printers (prices constantly dropping)
> and then grab you by the balls (removing printer features) when you
> decide to use alternative inks to their hugely over-priced ones. That
> should not be allowed. That's like buying a coffee kettle of a certain
> brand (Haxwell Mouse) that will only show how much water is in it
> provided you buy their brand of coffee that costs 10 to 20 times more
> than no name coffee.
People who buy quality ink like Canon, HP or Epson who want to reduce
the risk of printhead cloggging, fading and have better print quality
for photos most likely pay a little more and drink Starbucks coffee.
The other idiots go to the supermarket and drink coffee from China.
They probably get their toothpaste from there and USED TO feed their dog
that wonderful imported dog food.
> Makes no sense! How can that even be legal? If I
> email this to Canon will they send their men in white coats to take my 4
> Canon printers away and make me pay them the several thousand dollars
> I've saved over the years by not using their unaffordable inks???
>
> Francis Fronzaglia
>
>
>
measekite
Stick Stickus wrote:
"Frank" <f...@signm.crt> wrote in message news:475e0586$0$9620$4c36...@roadrunner.com...measekite wrote: ----lies...and more lies--- How fukkin dumb are you anyway? FrankI get my cartridges refilled AND the chips reset at my local Cartridge World in Oxford, UK. I understand that the ink they use is formulated and supplied by OCP Inks from Germany.
OpaPiloot
:
> there is an optical sensor that indicates
> when the reservoir section is empty. The ink monitor on screen then shows
> that the ink level is low.
> Even if you should put a refilled cart in place that
> has only enough ink in it to cover the prism at the bottom of the reservoir
> section it will show full. Once the reservoir section is empty, however,
> you will get the low ink message. This happens when the prism is no longer
> submerged in ink.
Besides the prism, CLI-8 / PGI-5 cartridges have another optical sensing
system that involves the tapered light guide at the front of the
cartridge. The top of this guide reflects the light outwards through the
small dark grey window to a sensor that is mounted left just behind the
front of the printer, in my case an ip4300. See
http://members.lycos.nl/dmjbijzboek/Electronics/CLI-8-light-guide-sensor.jpg
As an experiment, I removed the light guide to obtain a free view to the
ink level while the cartridge is mounted in the printer. Works great,
even better when you remove part of the clip also. See
http://members.lycos.nl/dmjbijzboek/Electronics/CLI-8-inklevel.jpg
With a refilled cartridge, it was initially reported as completely
empty, but printing was possible by pressing the resume button.
Later on, it reported "low ink level", printing proceeded normally.
Eventually it reported that the ink level could not be established and I
had to press the resume button 5 seconds to switch off the ink
monitoring system. Printing proceeds still normally and visual checking
the ink level is a snap.
Since the printer never reported a refilled cartridge, I think the
second sensor has something to do with that.
It is a rather leaky light guide, hence the amount of light that falls
on the sensor depends on the amount of light that is reflected back from
the reservoir and that may be dependent on the ink level. Any better
ideas?
I installed another nodified refilled cartridge, same story, currently
it is reported as "low ink level".
My conclusion is that switching off the ink monitoring system does not
matter if it is replaced by the visual ink level inspection.
When the reservoir is empty, there is ample tine to refill it again,
because the foam still holds plenty of ink.
By the way, I use the "German method" for refilling. See a.o.
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2465
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OpaPiloot
No money to get a life??
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Bob Headrick
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>> In the case of a refill they cannot do this, since they have no way of
>> knowing how much ink the refiller put in the cartridge. Maybe the
>> refiller puts in the same amount of ink, but they may put in more or
>> less. The ink gauge cannot be accurate in this case, and to provide an
>> inaccurate gauge would lead to various other issues.
> If you knew anything at all about Canon printers, you wouldn't have posted
> this.
Do not presume how much I know about Canon printers. The Canon printers do
have an optical system that gives a signal when the ink level is down to
about 15% remaining. Older Canon printers did not have an ink gauge, they
simply gave the user a signal when the prism indicated the main (free
liquid) chamber was depleted. There were various customer complaints with
this system, as there was no warning before the "you are nearly empty"
message. [You could have seen those complaints in this newsgroup a few
years ago.] In more recent printers they provide an ink gauge based on
knowing when a new cartridge is installed, how much ink they put in and
various factors about printing and servicing. They then estimate ink
remaining, and correct this at the point the prism indicates actual low ink.
For the recent printers they cannot provide a reasonable gauge during life
for third party cartridges since they do not know the initial ink. They
could have an alternate warning based on the older system to accommodate
these cartridges, but that would require more firmware and testing. They
are in a no-win situation - if they provide an inaccurate gauge folks will
complain, if they disable the [inaccurate] gauge folks will complain.
Taliesyn
> "DanG" <nos...@q.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> "Bob Headrick" <bo...@proaxis.com> wrote in message
>
> [snip]
>
>>> In the case of a refill they cannot do this, since they have no way
>>> of knowing how much ink the refiller put in the cartridge. Maybe the
>>> refiller puts in the same amount of ink, but they may put in more or
>>> less. The ink gauge cannot be accurate in this case, and to provide
>>> an inaccurate gauge would lead to various other issues.
>
>
>> If you knew anything at all about Canon printers, you wouldn't have
>> posted this.
>
>
> Do not presume how much I know about Canon printers. The Canon printers
> do have an optical system that gives a signal when the ink level is down
> to about 15% remaining. Older Canon printers did not have an ink gauge,
> they simply gave the user a signal when the prism indicated the main
> (free liquid) chamber was depleted. There were various customer
> complaints with this system, as there was no warning before the "you are
> nearly empty" message.
I've been running 3 Canon printers for years and there is absolutely
nothing wrong with the system that simply says "You are nearly empty"
(the free liquid chamber is depleted). When I get this message I run
off a few more pages, or a few photos, and then put in a full set of
cartridges, home refilled. Anyone with complaints that the metering
system doesn't give enough readings is out to lunch. No one should be
running inkjet printers without back-up ink cartridges. If they are,
then maybe the metering system isn't their biggest concern. I have two
primary printers and an older spare I bring out for heavy load jobs.
Printers are also finicky appliances, you never know when they'll all of
a sudden decide not to work for one reason or another. I have learned
over the years that having 2 or 3 printers and 5 or 6 sets of backup
cartridges guarantees I'll never ever to say, "Sorry, my printer is
down, or I'm out of ink, I can't get to the store until next week."
-Taliesyn
Stick Stickus
"Burt" <nos...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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There is also a company out there called Cartridge World which, in the UK,
can reset these chips so you lose none of the functionaly of the ink status
monitor.
Stick Stickus
"measekite" <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in message news:zPy8j.80186$Um6....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
Stick Stickus wrote:"Frank" <f...@signm.crt> wrote in message news:475e0586$0$9620$4c36...@roadrunner.com...measekite wrote: ----lies...and more lies--- How fukkin dumb are you anyway? FrankI get my cartridges refilled AND the chips reset at my local Cartridge World in Oxford, UK. I understand that the ink they use is formulated and supplied by OCP Inks from Germany.Most of the reviews that you can trust do not agree with those opinions. CW used to claim they used Sensinent ink. Who really know.
I understand that they use Sensient ink to refill the Epson cartridges
HSJR
Only the first generic that I purchased many years ago was inferior.
Every cartridge and refill ink purchase I have made since has been
excellent with very good color retention. Your broad criticism of
generics has no merit at all. The competitive market has fairly well
cleaned out the junk offerings. I have a shelf full of generic
cartridges and refill ink that has proved to be at least equal to Canon
and Epson. My only disappointment has been with Canon's CLI cartridges
that turn off the monitoring system once the printing count is exceeded.
A Canon chip resetter has been developed, but its cost is still at
about $2000.00. Recent lawsuit won by Epson may make purchase of
generic cartridges illegal though. Scratch one up for corporate greed.
Tony
For what it's worth at least one manufacturer has developed a two part Epson
compatible cartridge. This is described as a Patent Free cartridge. The
manufacturer does not sell direct to the public but they are a major player in
the compatible ink marketplace and will soon be distributing these cartridges
through their dealers. If I can find out more I will advise here but meanwhile
look out for a two part compatible Epson cartridge. I cannot vouch for the
quality yet but the manufacturer was one of those that had a very high
reputation before Epson won the law suit. I have yet to find out whether this
overcomes the "recoding" of firmware in Epson printers that has been an issue
in recent months.
Tony
MS MVP Printing/Imaging
TJ
two-part cartridge replacement for the HP #57 cart. It looked like an
interesting idea. One part contained the print head and associated
circuits, and the other was a snap-in ink tank that was refillable,
IIRC. Unfortunately, I doubt that it's for sale in the US. I'll have to
hunt that up again...
TJ
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TJ
it is as I described. The product is from Switzerland, but the
distributor is in the UK. They ship to EU countries, but say nothing
about the US. They do say the print head is a "new manufacturer's print
head," so I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there is some agreement with
HP not to market outside the EU. It's too bad. It could catch on here, I
think.
GMAN
series printer.
Worked great.
measekite
HSJR wrote:
> Only the first generic that I purchased many years ago was inferior.
> Every cartridge and refill ink purchase I have made since has been
> excellent with very good color retention.
Wilhelm found out otherwise.
> Your broad criticism of
> generics has no merit at all. The competitive market has fairly well
> cleaned out the junk offerings.
Since the fly by nites will never disclose the true mfg you never know
what you are getting.
> I have a shelf full of generic
> cartridges and refill ink that has proved to be at least equal to Canon
> and Epson.
Testing proves the opposite.
> My only disappointment has been with Canon's CLI cartridges
> that turn off the monitoring system once the printing count is exceeded.
>
They are protecting their engineering investment from the rif raff. You
can hardly blame them.
> A Canon chip resetter has been developed, but its cost is still at
> about $2000.00.
Then go get one.
> Recent lawsuit won by Epson may make purchase of
> generic cartridges illegal though.
Good
Frank
...stuff only a mentally retarded moron would write.
Frank
LiLi
The four pack ink cartridge is definitely cheaper than purchasing each
of the ink cartridges separately. They are genuine Canon cartridges, so
you don't have to worry about whether or not they will work with your
printer and the quality is as expected.The PRODUCT colors provide true
colors for all my photos.
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