Compatible ink cartridges for Canon PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M & CLI-8Y
aa...@anycake.com
I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
CLI-8Y.
Apparently the original Canon cartridge chips can be reused in the
compatible cartridges.
Has anyone any news on when compatible cartridges will be available
with the chips ?
Any news updates will be much appreciated.
AH
Tony
There is some doubt whether they ever will be although I know that at least two
manufacturers are still working on it. The issue seems to be the cost of making
an acceptable chip (one that does not breach patents) small enough.
Tony
Michael Johnson, PE
Who has these compatible cartridges (CLI-8x) for sale?
Tony
Google "cli8-bk compatible", you will get several hits.
Tony
Michael Johnson, PE
I got several hits but didn't find any sites that actually sell
compatible CLI-8 cartridges. Most sites referenced the OEM carts were
"compatible" with certain printers which is why they were listed in the
search. Do you have any links to specific sites that sell compatible
CLI-8 carts?
Tony
No, but aa...@anycake.com posted the message saying they were available (first
post of this thread) and I have heard elswhere that they are. I have no need
for any so have not bothered to look before.
Tony
Taliesyn
I've noticed that new HobbiColors ink refill kits for the CLI-8 and
PGI-5 are now available on eBay. I use their older inks for my i860,
i4200, and Ip5000 printers. These new inks, they indicate, have a
significantly wider gamut and improved light fastness over their WC6
inks used for BCI-6. Too bad, I can't use them for my BCI-6 cartridges.
That's my dilemma - I have three working older printers so I can't move
up to the next generation printers. Hate it when that happens . . . ;-)
-Taliesyn
zakezuke
> That's my dilemma - I have three working older printers so I can't
> move up to the next generation printers. Hate it when that
> happens . . . ;-)
Why can't you? You are probally SOL on the i860 but the ip5000 on the
other hand permits setting to destionation 1, i.e. japan. Now I can't
say for certanty if the colors are identical on the bci-7 that would
have been used on the ip5100, but the odds are pretty good. I'd say
it's worth exploring.
kahalas
I don't see that anyone has compatible cartridges. I think Tony is
confused, at best.
Also since canon now makes the price of a chipped printer about equal
to what they charge for the cartridges alone, it seems to me easy to
move backward from an easily refillable 4000 to the new 4200 with
chips. Why would anyone want to do that and don't tell me about ink
fading.?
SLK
Mike
<aa...@anycake.com> wrote in message
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FWIW. I bought a IP4200 expecting compatibles to come along.
Tony is misinformed, the current models will be long replaced before any
new chip
compatibles get chance to hit the market.
After finding this out i immediately sold my IP4200 and replaced it will a
Epson. Not as good build wise and missing
the 2nd input tray but its saving my a fortune on ink.
Michael Johnson, PE
Then you should have told me "I don't know".
Mike
Tony
Sorry, that is privileged information and subject to a signed agreement.
I can only repeat that I doubt whether they will arrive soon or perhaps ever.
One manufacturer is considering releasing unchipped cartridges and a procedure
for moving the OEM chip to the replacement cartridge. I expect that will be a
less than satisfactory solution because the chip will still report the
cartridge as empty and the workaround of answering the prompts will still be
required together with no ink level indicator.
Tony
Tony
Just trying to help.
I am wondering why you asked me the question rather than the OP who was the one
that said
"I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
CLI-8Y."
Tony
Tony
>On 19 May 2006 15:20:39 -0700, aa...@anycake.com wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
>>Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
>>Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
>>CLI-8Y.
>>
>>Apparently the original Canon cartridge chips can be reused in the
>>compatible cartridges.
>>
>>Has anyone any news on when compatible cartridges will be available
>>with the chips ?
>>
>>Any news updates will be much appreciated.
>>
>>AH
>
>I don't see that anyone has compatible cartridges. I think Tony is
>confused, at best.
Not confused, just posting what I believe to be true, there are people trying
to produce chipped compatibles for the newer printers but as I said elsewhere I
doubt it will happen soon if at all.
Tony
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Michael Johnson, PE
I understand now but you stated it like I would hit pay dirt with a
Google search. I have have been periodically searching for compatible
CLI-8 carts because I would like to try an iP6600. I thought maybe
there was a breakthrough I missed hearing about. That is why I asked
you for a specific reference.
Michael Johnson, PE
If I have to go to all that trouble to install a compatible CLI-8 cart
then I might as well refill. Does anyone know if these new printers
will print with chip less carts?
Martin
I have been watching the whole "compatible" cartridge sideshow with
interest when I noticed a few appearing on eBay a couple of weeks back..
In truth, they make the arguement for refilling all the more persuasive
but the way I've opted to go is building empty cartridges into CIS kits
and essentially creating what one person called an "old school hack".
It works very well and aside from the grief in getting the tubing and
various parts sourced I'll soon be in a position to share a "How to.."
guide for anyone else who wants to use their iP4200's for a lot longer.
As to the whole "will it, won't it?" side of things with Canon.. I
expect Tony is right in that it'll be difficult to get replacement chips
and to be honest I think there's a couple of questions that need
answering before I can actually see replacements being of any use.
1. Just what happens if you refill a cartridge, accept the warranty
spiel, print for X weeks and the cartridge then runs out? Does it ignore
the levels and burn out the head or does it stop and tell you?
I ask because I noticed that the system will not let an empty cartridge
continue and only allows it when you refill.
2. Has anyone accepted responsibility for their use of 3rd party ink and
then sent their printer back for an unrelated problem (eg: paper feed)?
and has Canon claimed warranty is not covered?
My guess is that they might try to balk but would provide a replacement
albeit without replacement printhead and carts if pushed.. which begs
the question of why the chips are so unreasonable.
Ultimately I recognise that the people missing out most here are those
who don't like refilling, fiddling with transferring chips, etc.. which
happens to be most people but it does make me wonder just how vital chip
alternatives are.. Course I think I've answered my own question.. :|
Tony
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>2. Has anyone accepted responsibility for their use of 3rd party ink and
>then sent their printer back for an unrelated problem (eg: paper feed)?
>and has Canon claimed warranty is not covered?
On this point I can advise that Canon are very good indeed (at least where I
live) at warranty replacement.
They have never in my experience (over several years) baulked at warranty
claims. Head failure is the most common claim, they don't like to see
compatible cartridges in the printer but cannot do much about it unless they
can prove that compatible inks caused the problem, almost impossible to do. I
have seen just as many failures with OEM as I have with compatible inks, across
most printer manufacturers. I think the warranty thing is likely a non issue.
Brother are much tougher, they refuse to even test a printer with non Brother
ink in it, sure we can holler and scream that they "can't do that" but the
reality is it would be a lot of trouble to fight them and they know it. The
solution is easy, put some Brother cartridges in the printer and send it for
repair, totally moral when you accept that there is no evidence that compatible
ink causes more printhead failures than OEM inks.
Some good points, thanks.
Tony
<snip>
measekite
Martin wrote:
> aa...@anycake.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
>> Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
>> Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
>> CLI-8Y.
>>
>> Apparently the original Canon cartridge chips can be reused in the
>> compatible cartridges.
>>
>> Has anyone any news on when compatible cartridges will be available
>> with the chips ?
>>
>> Any news updates will be much appreciated.
>>
>> AH
>>
>
>
> I have been watching the whole "compatible"
is a meaningless word. just an adjective that is totally ambiguous
> cartridge sideshow with interest when I noticed a few appearing on
> eBay a couple of weeks back..
>
> In truth, they make the arguement for refilling all the more
> persuasive but the way I've opted to go is building empty cartridges
> into CIS kits and essentially creating what one person called an "old
> school hack".
>
> It works very well and aside from the grief in getting the tubing and
> various parts sourced I'll soon be in a position to share a "How to.."
> guide for anyone else who wants to use their iP4200's for a lot longer.
>
>
> As to the whole "will it, won't it?" side of things with Canon.. I
> expect Tony is right in that it'll be difficult to get replacement
> chips and to be honest I think there's a couple of questions that need
> answering before I can actually see replacements being of any use.
>
>
> 1. Just what happens if you refill a cartridge,
you open yourself up to
printhead clogs
voiding the printer warranty
wasting a lot of time
it is only worth this risk if you are a very heavy printer user
> accept the warranty spiel, print for X weeks and the cartridge then
> runs out? Does it ignore the levels and burn out the head or does it
> stop and tell you?
>
> I ask because I noticed that the system will not let an empty
> cartridge continue and only allows it when you refill.
>
>
> 2. Has anyone accepted responsibility for their use of 3rd party ink
> and then sent their printer back for an unrelated problem (eg: paper
> feed)? and has Canon claimed warranty is not covered?
hoping that canon only fixes legitimate claims.
>
> My guess is that they might try to balk but would provide a
> replacement albeit without replacement printhead and carts if pushed..
> which begs the question of why the chips are so unreasonable.
>
>
> Ultimately I recognise that the people missing out most here are those
> who don't like refilling,
the only thing i am missing is a clogged printhead, faded and off color
results and many hours of wasted time
measekite
Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
that is good. canon's chip helps protect the user agaisnt unscruplous
relablers who will not disclose what they are selling. it certainly
slows them down. if people do not like it they should not buy canon
printers.
>> One manufacturer is considering releasing unchipped cartridges and a
>> procedure for moving the OEM chip to the replacement cartridge. I
>> expect that will be a less than satisfactory solution because the
>> chip will still report the cartridge as empty and the workaround of
>> answering the prompts will still be required together with no ink
>> level indicator.
>
that is a good thing
>
> If I have to go to all that trouble to install a compatible CLI-8 cart
> then I might as well refill. Does anyone know if these new printers
> will print with chip less carts?
nope
plus there is no ink being sold that is even a near substitute for the
new canon ink formulations
measekite
Mike wrote:
it really makes sense to give up a better printer so you can buy generic
ink that will clog the new printer so you can spend less on inferior ink.
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measekite
kahalas wrote:
>On 19 May 2006 15:20:39 -0700, aa...@anycake.com wrote:
>
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
>>Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
>>Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
>>CLI-8Y.
>>
>>Apparently the original Canon cartridge chips can be reused in the
>>compatible cartridges.
>>
>>Has anyone any news on when compatible cartridges will be available
>>with the chips ?
>>
>>Any news updates will be much appreciated.
>>
>>AH
>>
>>
>
>I don't see that anyone has compatible cartridges. I think Tony is
>confused, at best.
>
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i agree
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snip
>SLK
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Frank
1). refilling WILL NOT clog your print head.
2). refilling WILL NOT void your warranty.
3). refilling WILL save you a ton of money.
I know because I do and I have.
Frank
Gary Tait
>
> 1. Just what happens if you refill a cartridge, accept the warranty
> spiel, print for X weeks and the cartridge then runs out? Does it
ignore
> the levels and burn out the head or does it stop and tell you?
>
> I ask because I noticed that the system will not let an empty
cartridge
> continue and only allows it when you refill.
Likely:
With a full cart and "empty" chip, it will print, but give you the
warranty notice.
With an empty cart and "empty" chip, it woon't print at all.
Meaning that is still reads the prism.
> My guess is that they might try to balk but would provide a
replacement
> albeit without replacement printhead and carts if pushed.. which begs
> the question of why the chips are so unreasonable.
Do you mean the Canon chips, or the aftermarket chips (or Canon chip
reprogrammer)? For the latter, it was said they want to create a chip
that is small, and doesn't violate patents.
If the latter can be beaten, until a small chip can be made, a modchip
board could likely be permanently installed in the printer, although
that would raise the bar on using aftermarket ink without fiddling with
chips.
Mike
"measekite" <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in message
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Voiding warranty don't talk rubbish. You don't have to use manufacturers
recommend products. It's the same for any product.
measekite
Mike wrote:
printer warranty states that if non recommended products do damage to
the printer the warranty is void.
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Frank
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> Voiding warranty don't talk rubbish. You don't have to use manufacturers
> recommend products. It's the same for any product.
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The warranty can only be voided if the manufacturer can prove that the
non-oem product caused the damage.
I've yet to see any proof of that happening in the USA.
Basically, it's a scare tactic to get you to use oem products.
Also don't believe anything meashershithead says..he's a known liar and
a spammer for oem's.
Frank
Mike
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>>Voiding warranty don't talk rubbish. You don't have to use manufacturers
>>recommend products. It's the same for any product.
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> printer warranty states that if non recommended products do damage to the
> printer the warranty is void.
>
Yes Of course "if it does damage". If you put water on it you void the
warranty. Use your common sense.
I've yet to hear of any case of ink damaging a canon printer and then canon
then refusing to honour the warranty because it was not their own ink.
Not 1 case out of millions of users.
You live in a different world. All these posts you keep making you
actually sound scared, as though someone has brainwashed you into thinking
all this. You have no personal experience of this problem and subsequent
refusal from canon to honour your warranty
Mike
"Frank" <f...@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
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Hes been brainwashed by someone.
He's obviously not all there or just not use to making decisions for
himself.
measekite
Mike wrote:
>>>Voiding warranty don't talk rubbish. You don't have to use manufacturers
>>>recommend products. It's the same for any product.
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>>printer warranty states that if non recommended products do damage to the
>>printer the warranty is void.
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>Yes Of course "if it does damage". If you put water on it you void the
>warranty. Use your common sense.
>I've yet to hear of any case of ink damaging a canon printer and then canon
>then refusing to honour the warranty because it was not their own ink.
>Not 1 case out of millions of users.
>
>
have you spoke to that many users. canon will not honor a warranty
where damage has been caused by a generic product.
>You live in a different world. All these posts you keep making you
>actually sound scared, as though someone has brainwashed you into thinking
>all this. You have no personal experience of this problem and subsequent
>refusal from canon to honour
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you mean honor right
>your warranty
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Frank
an avid liar. Best to kill file his stuck-on-stupid ass and be done with
him.
Frank
aa...@anycake.com
I have seen them for sale on ebay in the UK. I typed in 'IP4200' on the
ebay search & found two companies selling compatibles without chips.
One in the UK & one in Germany.
Below is text quoted on one of the adverts:
================================
"These compatible ink cartridges have no chip! You need an original
chip of your (empty) original ink cartridge.
Detailed instructions with pictures for transferring the chip (which is
VERY easy) are incuded in each package."
================================
As far as I am aware to reset the chip, you must hold the resume key
for 5 seconds. However I have heard that this disables ink monitoring.
AH.
Mike
>>warranty. Use your common sense.
>>I've yet to hear of any case of ink damaging a canon printer and then
>>canon
>>then refusing to honour the warranty because it was not their own ink.
>>Not 1 case out of millions of users.
>>
> have you spoke to that many users. canon will not honor a warranty where
> damage has been caused by a generic product.
## Your argument is ridiculous because it's the same for millions of
products.
People mix products everyday - thus, the warranty on a product damaged by
another is affected
Example, if you buy a Dell PC and add more ram which you purchased from
elsewhere, the module is faulty / damages the motherboard - clearly Dell
won't want to honour the warranty.
You reasoning is that no one with a Dell PC should buy Ram from any other
retailer apart from Dell, and yet millions of people do without any
problems.
You are completely naive, scared and brainwashed.
> you mean honor right
## No I mean honour. American's should learn how to spell.
Martin
Correct.. the ink monitoring is disabled and the printer marks itself as
being "out of warranty" although this is debated I'm pretty sure Canon
won't honour any printhead or ink caused damage if you go this route.
Frank
that comprehends is at the top of the list.
Frank
measekite
Mike wrote:
we can shpeel reel gud
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zakezuke
> being "out of warranty" although this is debated I'm pretty sure Canon
> won't honour any printhead or ink caused damage if you go this route.
Canon issues advanced replacements... i.e. they don't example the
printer when their support people determine the printhead failed.
Unless the printhead it self keeps track of this info which is
possible, but again they issue advanced replacements.
aa...@anycake.com
> manufacturers are still working on it. The issue seems to be the cost of making
> an acceptable chip (one that does not breach patents) small enough.
> Tony
Hi Tony,
Have you any news updates on the availability of chips ?
I look forward to your reply.
AH
Gary Tait
news:1149602803....@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> Hi Tony,
>
> Have you any news updates on the availability of chips ?
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> I look forward to your reply.
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> AH
Canon chips being released would be big. Very big. You will definately see
a thread about it here.
Mike
"Gary Tait" <class...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tony's false hope he is giving to people is ridiculous.
My sources tell me without any doubt compatible chip carts will not be
available any time soon, certainly not before
Canon have in fact replaced the ip4200/ip5200 with the next model.
measekite
Gary Tait wrote:
>"aa...@anycake.com" <aa...@anycake.com> wrote in
>news:1149602803....@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
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>>Hi Tony,
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>>Have you any news updates on the availability of chips ?
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>>I look forward to your reply.
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>>AH
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>Canon chips being released would be big. Very big.
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oh yeah a very big lawsuite by canon and they certainly would win
measekite
Mike wrote:
he must know since he must be in da business and dat is y hee has surces
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Martin
My own sources are saying that there's a lot of marketing BS in the wind
that is confusing things. I just wish the sellers would actually admit
that they only have "we're working on it" promises from their suppliers
and nothing more secure.
Right now it's unlikely we'll see anything anytime soon as it'd be one
heck of a big topic as was said above..
Frank
The market is too big to avoid. Never mind what that know nothing
jackass idiot meashershithead says. He's an oem plant and an idiot to boot.
Frank
Gary Tait
@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
> oh yeah a very big lawsuite by canon and they certainly would win
Not if they make a non-infringing chip.
I have no idea if this is true, but they might have a working chip, but it
violates Canon's patent, so they are not releasing it.