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eddiem

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Sep 25, 2002, 3:40:36 AM9/25/02
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Hi,
I've spent a few days looking at the signals the ink chips use - warning geeky
stuff follows.
It is a synchronous serial protocol I've never seen before.
see http://www.eddiem.com/photo/CIS/inkchip/chip.html for details.

The bottom line is the ink level seems to be encoded in bits 4 to 9 (the first
bit being bit0)
I can and have fooled the printer into thinking it has a full cartridge when it
doesn't.
I need to do this so I can convert to CIS.
I'm sure I can build a chip resetter but don't have any need for one. The hard
part is making a suitable socket.

DON'T try copying me unless you know what you are doing, are prepared to void
your warranty and risk killing your printer.

Someday somebody will sell a resetter, somebody will sell read only chips for
CIS.
But as far as I know nobody yet has explained how they work.

This is a preliminary page - I may have made mistakes. It will evolve.
One disturbing thing is the ink level *appears* to only be six bit resolution -
this needs verification - it can't be more than 8 bits.
I was expecting more like 16 bit resolution.
Each chip pumps out about 252 bits of data - surely a few more could have been
used for ink level.
If it is only six bits (64 levels) there is a lot of rounding error at the end
of each session - do they round down?
If so someone doing small jobs and turning the printer off in between could
loose a lot of useable ink.
Just speculation for now.
Cheers Eddie,


Dmitry Rybas

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Sep 25, 2002, 8:07:55 AM9/25/02
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"eddiem" <NG@mydomain> сообщил/сообщила в новостях следующее:
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> Hi,
> I've spent a few days looking at the signals the ink chips use - warning
geeky
> stuff follows.
> It is a synchronous serial protocol I've never seen before.
> see http://www.eddiem.com/photo/CIS/inkchip/chip.html for details.
>
>
> Someday somebody will sell a resetter, somebody will sell read only chips
for
> CIS.
> But as far as I know nobody yet has explained how they work.
>
There is such a thing for quite a while, the link follows:
http://www.inkylink.co.uk/pagethree.shtml

They sell chip resetter and their own cartriges where you can insert
resetted chip.

After resetting the printer driver says there is non-Epson cartridge
installed,
which is O'k according to Inkylink.

I do have it and it works for Epson 890 printer (T007 and T008 cartridges),
but
cartriges themselves were very bad (maybe only pieces I received, but I
never
ordered them again to check), clogged nossels so I used the whole cartridge
to clean with no success. I even thought it was time to tell my printer
good-bye as cleaning cost in service center is about half of the printer
cost,
but when I installed Epson original cartridge, after 2 cleans it is Okey,
printed 5 or 6 cartridges so far...

Regards,
Dmitry.


eddiem

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Sep 26, 2002, 2:44:29 AM9/26/02
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"Dmitry Rybas" <dmi...@nospam.com> wrote:
Yes, I know there are reseters for older epsons. There are none for the
2100/2200 yet as far as I know.
I did enquire with several companies selling reseters and I was told they do
not work with the 2100
There are read-only chip for older printers but not the 2100.
Reseters are of little use to people with CIS anyway, we need read-only chips
(or my hack).
Thanx anyway,
BTW - windex works wonders for clogs.
Eddie,

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Greg Kamer

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Sep 26, 2002, 1:18:04 PM9/26/02
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"eddiem"

> The bottom line is the ink level seems to be encoded in bits 4 to 9 (the
first
> bit being bit0)
> I can and have fooled the printer into thinking it has a full cartridge
when it
> doesn't.

Eddie,
I must be missing something important here. Why would you want
to make your printer think is has a full ink cartridge when it doesn't?


Ralph

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Sep 26, 2002, 2:13:21 PM9/26/02
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That's very good as an enabling technology, but can anyone duplicate the new
ink?

Ralph

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eddiem

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Sep 27, 2002, 4:44:37 AM9/27/02
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Do sure are missing something. It shows I can reset the chip.
If you refill a chipped cartridge it will still read empty. If you run a CIS
you need to fool the printer into thinking it has ink.
That's why people make chip reseters and read-only ink chips.
Have I failed to explain that properly on my web page or didn't you read it?
Eddie,

eddiem

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Sep 27, 2002, 4:58:37 AM9/27/02
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"Ralph" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
>That's very good as an enabling technology, but can anyone duplicate the new
>ink?
I don't care about the new ink, I don't think it is good enough to justify
buying it in cartridges - in bulk at the right price then maybe.
I am quite happy with the bulk ink (G4 pigment) I use. The ultrachrome is a
little better in the reds but not that much better. G4 has been independently
rated at over 100 years life - ultrachrome still has to prove itself.
The problem is I can't buy "light black" yet. Mixing my own is another project
I have.
Media-street says they are working on a 2100p inkset. Whether it will produce
ultrachrome's gamut I don't know. When it will hit the market I don't know. I'm
not holding my breath.
Eddie,

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Ralph Brown

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Sep 27, 2002, 9:09:07 AM9/27/02
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If they can come up with an ink with the ultrachrome gamut, and with your
protocol engineering, then the 2200 will be a real winner. Probably it will
work with the 7600 too.

Ralph

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eddiem

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Oct 1, 2002, 10:16:13 PM10/1/02
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I've done some more on this.
I programmed a micro to act as a chip reader and a chip resetter.
http://www.eddiem.com/photo/CIS/inkchip/chip.html for details.
Eddie,

Michael

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Oct 2, 2002, 12:41:58 AM10/2/02
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Go,Eddie!
Mark my words: it's only a matter of time before the Stylus C80 will
fall similarly.

(40 bucks for a chip resetter. Jeez. I'm in the wrong business!!)

Michael

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