differences between HP 15 & 45 black cartridges
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As subject says...is there any differences besides ink capacity? Is it possible to put a
15 cartridge into a printer that calls for a 45, and vice versa? Many thanks
p...@prairienetx.org
and the 15 is sold half full. You could refill the 15 to the 45 level.
There is a difference electronically and at least some models (my 842C for
example) will not accept one for the other. I don't know if there are any
printhead differences (droplet size, resolution) or if any printers will
accept both cartridges.
This is all based on what I've read, not actual testing,
Bryan (drop the X to e-mail)
Andrew Rossmann
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> Hey all,
> As subject says...is there any differences besides ink capacity? Is it possible to put a
> 15 cartridge into a printer that calls for a 45, and vice versa? Many thanks
Physically and electronically (as far as the printhead connections) they
are identical. The only difference is that the #15 is filled with 25ml of
ink, and the #45A is filled with 42ml (the 'starter' cartridge with many
models, the #45G, is filled with 21ml.)
From what I've read, the #15 can be used in place of a #45. The #45
CANNOT be used in place of a #15. I'm guessing there is a difference in
the ID code the printer uses to keep track. On the 9xx series, you can see
the ID code by: Hold down power button. Hit the 'X' button 4 times, then
the paper-feed button once. Let go of the power button. You will get a
sheet with codes. The ID's are listed at top. 'I' is black and 'II' is
color. My current black is 0x0003E8 and the previous black was 0x00035E.
Both were 45A's. I wonder if the #15's might have a different range of
ID's. That seems the only way the printer can tell them apart. The same
would also probably be true for the 45G.
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David Fletcher
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> Hey all,
> As subject says...is there any differences besides ink capacity? Is it possible to put a
> 15 cartridge into a printer that calls for a 45, and vice versa? Many thanks
Hi!
The 51645A cartridge will not fit in a HP810/840/843C printer or those that use
C6615D cartridges. There is a notch that sticks out the back of the 45A which
prevents it fitting properly.
The C6615D will fit HP710C/720C etc., as the notch is not there to fit in the
slot of the cartridge cradle but it fits in every other way.
We have used C6615D in our HP720C when we have been caught without a 45A. It
does of course have less ink.
Thanks
David Fletcher
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Tom Krishan
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Here's what HP support said about the two different cartridges when I asked
about putting a #45 in a printer designed for a #15:
"In response to your comment about the #15 and #45 cartridges, they are
two separate cartridges. Please do not confuse the two only one of them
will work in your unit and the other may cause internal damage to your
printers internal memory."
Tom
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>Here's what HP support said about the two different cartridges when I asked
>about putting a #45 in a printer designed for a #15:
>
>"In response to your comment about the #15 and #45 cartridges, they are
>two separate cartridges. Please do not confuse the two only one of them
>will work in your unit and the other may cause internal damage to your
>printers internal memory."
"Furthermore, it will cause severe damage to our stock price as the #15 cart has
1/2 the ink of a #45 and costs even more..."
Model Flyer
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No they are not compatible, the internal circuit of the 15 is different to
the 45. also the voltage is different, you would most likely burn-out part
of the PCA on the printhead by placing a 45 in the HP DJ-840 for instance.
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> No they are not compatible, the internal circuit of the 15 is different to
> the 45. also the voltage is different, you would most likely burn-out part
> of the PCA on the printhead by placing a 45 in the HP DJ-840 for instance.
Just curious, what is your source of information?
Tom
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If you go back through the messages in the NG over the last three or four
months you will see a reply by Bob Headrick about this very subject.
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Tom Krishan
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> If you go back through the messages in the NG over the last three or four
> months you will see a reply by Bob Headrick about this very subject.
I went back through the messages and found some comments that Bob made about
the C1823 (#23) versus the C6578 (#78) having a different number of nozzles
and using different voltages and frequencies. I found nothing about the #15
black cartridges versus #45 cartridges.
My examination would indicate that the #15 and #45 are the same cartridges
but one is half filled and has a different identity code. Newer printers
from HP reject the use of #45 cartridges. Older printers can use either #15
(the half filled ones) or the #45 (the original design). I don't know if
Bob wants to comment on this one as his employer may not appreciate public
confirmations that HP's most recent innovation is to sell half filled
cartridges at full price.
On the other hand, if I am wrong, I sure would not mind being corrected. It
would not be the first time.
Regards,
Tom
Bob Headrick
>
> "Model Flyer" <Don'trepl...@nocom.net> wrote in message
> news:CDQM7.12822$8s4....@news.indigo.ie...
>
>> If you go back through the messages in the NG over the last three or
four
>> months you will see a reply by Bob Headrick about this very subject.
>
> I went back through the messages and found some comments that Bob made
about
> the C1823 (#23) versus the C6578 (#78) having a different number of
nozzles
> and using different voltages and frequencies. I found nothing about the
#15
> black cartridges versus #45 cartridges.
[snip]
Tom is correct. The color cartridges are the ones that have very different
electrical and layout characteristics. There are less differences between
the 45 and 15 cartridges.
Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
Model Flyer
>
> [snip]
>
> Tom is correct. The color cartridges are the ones that have very
different
> electrical and layout characteristics. There are less differences between
> the 45 and 15 cartridges.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
Hi Bob,
I understood from what I have read that there is just enough differance
between the #15 and #45 for the DJ-810/40 series not to recognise the #45 as
a usable cartridge. I was sure that there was a thread about this subject
only a few months ago.
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Thanks all for the replies. I was curious about the compability issues if
any. We purchased a PSC 750, a PSC 950 and a Photosmart 1315 printer
recently at our school. The PSC's both take the 15 and 78 cartridges, while
the 1315 takes the 45 and 78. We have not tried this ourselves (have not
used up the cartridges that came with the printers yet) and wanted to see if
we could standardize on the 45.
Darrell
Hewitt
says...
I have the HP940C and took a 45 cartridge from work last weekend
I worked as well as the 15 cartridge. I used it quite a bit with
no problems. I week after I bought the 940 I went to Best Buy and
they had a 45 in the 940C in the store, it worked fine and I asked
the employee about it - he had NO CLUE
Tom Krishan
I just purchased a PSC 950 which is a great all in one machine with one
exception, it does not work with the older style #45 cartridges. As a
previous poster claimed, the HP 940 does work with either #15 or #45 but I
suspect this is because the HP 940 is simply an the older HP 930/950 chassis
with a new model number and an owner's manual that says to only use the #15
cartridges. Newer HP printers will only work with the #15 cartridges.
Tom
Tom Krishan
> I have the HP940C and took a 45 cartridge from work last weekend
> I worked as well as the 15 cartridge. I used it quite a bit with
> no problems. I week after I bought the 940 I went to Best Buy and
> they had a 45 in the 940C in the store, it worked fine and I asked
> the employee about it - he had NO CLUE
Does the HP940C accept the duplexer? I just purchased a PSC-950 thinking
that it would work with the duplexer only to find out that while it
mechanically accepts the duplexer and works in single sided mode, it does
not print in duplex mode with the duplexer installed.
Tom
Model Flyer
not
> > used up the cartridges that came with the printers yet) and wanted to
see if
> > we could standardize on the 45.
> >
> > Darrell
> >
>
> I have the HP940C and took a 45 cartridge from work last weekend
> I worked as well as the 15 cartridge. I used it quite a bit with
> no problems. I week after I bought the 940 I went to Best Buy and
> they had a 45 in the 940C in the store, it worked fine and I asked
> the employee about it - he had NO CLUE
>
I must look into this further, I have an 840 that is supplied with the #15
and must see if the #45 will work in that. I am sure that the #41 colour
cartridge will not be recognised as this differant to the #25 that is
standard, I think that the #41 would damage the printhead PCA.
DaMAN
more business suitable the #15 is just too small
They may go for the 2000 engine more for business ie force them.
For home they may drop old models and the new ones will only use the #15
(1/2) full 45
Now is the time to invest in a HP inkjet that still uses a 45Anews:3c063...@news7.fast.net...
Andrew Rossmann
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> I think and hope that HP will still use the #45 in future printers which are
> more business suitable the #15 is just too small
> They may go for the 2000 engine more for business ie force them.
> For home they may drop old models and the new ones will only use the #15
> (1/2) full 45
> Now is the time to invest in a HP inkjet that still uses a 45A
Current models only use black for plain paper and some low-res modes.
Outside of that, it uses process black (combined colors with no true
black). That is due to the lower resolution and control of the #45
compared to the current #78 color cartridge.
Odds are, HP will either have to come out with a new black cartridge
that offers higher resolution, or eliminate black entirely. Or, HP will
start moving to the separate printheads/ink tank model used in the DeskJet
2000/2500 and newer DesignJets.