Canon IP4000 vs HP Deskjet 6540 (I plan to refill my cartridges)
techma...@yahoo.com
I plan to refill my cartridges, so ease of refilling is my utmost
importance. I also care about speed. I print mostly black and white
text, rarely any photos. Lasers may theoretically cost less per page,
but refilled ink costs even less and refilling toner is too much of a
pain. I would appreciate some advice.
Dan G
Takes me about 2 min per tank to refill and put back in the printer.
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Bob Ward
So you'd rather get ink all over your hands twice a week than pour a
bottle of toner into the cartridge every other month?
I get approximately 4,000 pages from an $18 bottle of toner. No way
you xcan match that with inkjet.
SleeperMan
> Canon is WAY easy and fast to refill, also a very fast and quiet
> printer. Takes me about 2 min per tank to refill and put back in the
> printer.
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and these 2 min includes one beer in between... :-)
measekite
Bill wrote:
>techma...@yahoo.com wrote:
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>>I need a new printer and I am currently deciding between HP and Cannon.
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>Both models will produce similar results with text, graphics, and
>photos. Print quality is not an issue.
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The edge goes to Canon IP4000 for Photos.
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>>I plan to refill my cartridges, so ease of refilling is my utmost
>>importance.
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>Canon is the obvious choice there - easiest to refill.
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>>I also care about speed.
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>Both print at about the same speed...it's not an issue.
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> Canon IP4000 the fastest, by far
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>>I print mostly black and white
>>text, rarely any photos. Lasers may theoretically cost less per page,
>>but refilled ink costs even less and refilling toner is too much of a
>>pain. I would appreciate some advice.
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>The Canon is easier to refill due to the ink tanks being easy to
>maintain. However, the printheads are not very durable and replacements
>cost almost as much as a new printer.
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Strong possibility many 3rd party ink shortens print head life.
>If printhead life isn't a major
>factor, the Canon is the easier choice.
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>I bought a Canon i850 two years ago because it was the easiest to
>refill. It printed well, but it failed FAR too early (just outside the
>warranty period) and was replaced with an HP 6540 that I expect to last
>much longer.
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Jon von Leipzig
> beat the cost per page of a laser printer! Using OEM cartridges with a
> typical HP printer would normally cost you no more than 2 cents per
> page.
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> As far as Canon iP4000 vs HP, I would take Canon over HP any day of
> the week.
trivia: just about all the major companies buy their printer engines
(inkjet & laser) from Canon.
My trusty old Epson prints for less than that, I paid $4-5 per 24ml
cart, but now they're even cheaper, for black. At the std 5% coverage,
Epson site sez I should print 4-500 pages, forgot the exact no., cuz
it's unrealistic anyway, the 5% coverage. The average filled-out tax
form is at least 10% coverage.
If I were really ambitious, could drive 30 mi to the burbs, buy a whole
pint (470ml) that's 19+ complete fills, for $21.95. (oddparts.com)
my latest cheapie: 5 carts, black
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Bob Ward
wrote:
But they still smear when they get wet.
My experience has been that it's far cleaner to refill a laser toner
cartridge thanit is to refill an ink cartridge. I've done both, and
there is no comparison. Of course, when the only tool you have is a
hammer, all problems look like nails.
How long does it take you to clean the print heads if the printer sets
for a couple of weeks? My lasers are always ready.
Rob
wrote:
More or less have to agree with Bob. I've got both and tho it takes
me longer to replace my toner cartridge, I rarely do it (that is
probably why it takes me longer because I forget how to do it just
right). I may have to replace my toner cartridge once every 3 or 4
years (of course it depends on how many pages you print). And if
print quality counts my laserjet 4 is still better in text than my 3
other canon inkjets (one is a ip3000). I don't plan on giving up my
laserjet4 till it goes bad (heavy and built like a tank). In that
case I expect to replace it with another laserjet tho I'm at a loss
which model as I'm not educated on the new ones.
Jon von Leipzig
>>cart, but now they're even cheaper, for black. At the std 5% coverage,
>>Epson site sez I should print 4-500 pages, forgot the exact no., cuz
>>it's unrealistic anyway, the 5% coverage. The average filled-out tax
>>form is at least 10% coverage.
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>>If I were really ambitious, could drive 30 mi to the burbs, buy a whole
>>pint (470ml) that's 19+ complete fills, for $21.95. (oddparts.com)
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I have a roof over my head, plus, I'll be in an a/c'd clubhouse at the
track, no worries about moisture. 90% of mine is black throw-away
stuff, so no concern w/quality.
> My experience has been that it's far cleaner to refill a laser toner
> cartridge thanit is to refill an ink cartridge.
True. That is interesting....going 4000 pages w/out having to stop,
refll,etc. Really need to update this snail (3ppm), but have no idea how
durable these cheaper lasers are. With lots of practice, I can now fix
mine quickly, if it has a problem.
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> How long does it take you to clean the print heads if the printer sets
> for a couple of weeks? My lasers are always ready.
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Got it down to a science......
have my own concoction of de-clogging juice, plus special syringe w/tube
to feed nozzle.
trivia: if ink ever goes up (unlikely) like gas prices, can always
tinker with making my own. Only need some oil-based offset ink, glycol,
hi-grade alcohol, and water. Preferably, but maybe not necessary,
triple-distilled & de-ionized water.
One poster at Frugal once claimed he just used stamp pad ink, with a few
drops of glycerine. Another, in UK, sez she uses a good quality fountain
pen ink.
Angelo Campanella
> trivia: if ink ever goes up (unlikely) like gas prices, can always
> tinker with making my own. Only need some oil-based offset ink, glycol,
> hi-grade alcohol, and water. Preferably, but maybe not necessary,
> triple-distilled & de-ionized water.
I have used Windex liquid (window cleaner from it spray-bottle) as a
solvent-cleaner and for dilution for my HP6122 and Cannon BJ cartridge
refills. I also have retrieved the black gunk-ink from the drip-pad.
There is a lot of black ink in them that can be retrieved that way. A
bit messy, but you can be creative in salvaging.. sort of like
dumpster-diving...
Likewise for the toner cartridges for my Konica copier. The powder
refuse collector chamber of the toner cartridge can be opened. Dump
toner there onto the center of a sheet of paper, Carefully reassemble
the refuse chamber onto the cartridge. Use paper as a carrier to refill
the toner bin of the cartridge, then use "like new"... About a 30%-50%
retrieval rate...
> One poster at Frugal once claimed he just used stamp pad ink, with a few
> drops of glycerine. Another, in UK, sez she uses a good quality fountain
> pen ink.
The ink needs to be all soluble stuff.. zero particulates.
Angelo Campanella