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Ronzo

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Jul 5, 2003, 7:02:36 PM7/5/03
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So I go out and buy 13x19 paper to use in my Epson 2200 printer. Before I
actually print out the picture. I decided to shop for a frame for my new
picture. I find out that there is no frame that size, or close to that size
around. There is 11x14, which I could have bought 11x16 paper for. Or 16x20
which is to large for my paper. Does this mean I have to have a frame
special made? What is this size of paper used for?

Ronzo


Wolf Kirchmeir

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Jul 5, 2003, 8:36:10 PM7/5/03
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On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:02:36 GMT, Ronzo wrote:

=>So I go out and buy 13x19 paper to use in my Epson 2200 printer. Before I
=>actually print out the picture. I decided to shop for a frame for my new
=>picture. I find out that there is no frame that size, or close to that size
=>around. There is 11x14, which I could have bought 11x16 paper for. Or 16x20
=>which is to large for my paper. Does this mean I have to have a frame
=>special made? What is this size of paper used for?
=>
=>Ronzo

The frame is supposed to be several inches wider and longer than the paper,
so there is room for a mat -- you, know that usuallly white area between the
image and the frame. If you use a coloured mat, you can really snap up a
picture - pick a colour that occurs in the image, or that contrasts with one
in the image. As a general guide, a dark mat will make a picture seem
brighter, a light mat will make the colours seem more intense. The width of
the mat also affects the impression made by the image, as does the colour and
texture of the frame, and so on. Matting and framing are an art. A good
framer can help an artist impress the viewer.

BTW, thanks for your comment on teh Epson 2200.

HTH

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Ronzo

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Jul 5, 2003, 9:48:55 PM7/5/03
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Thanks for that informative reply. I think I will print it out and save it.
BUT, it still means I have to have a frame specially made, doesn't it?

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JXStern

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Jul 5, 2003, 11:03:56 PM7/5/03
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 01:48:55 GMT, "Ronzo" <rs....@rogers.com> wrote:
>Thanks for that informative reply. I think I will print it out and save it.
>BUT, it still means I have to have a frame specially made, doesn't it?

No, just get a 16x20 frame and mat and cut out a hole in the mat to
13x19 (or a bit smaller) to show the picture.

Or yeah, you can get a custom frame, if you insist, usually a lot
better stuff than you can get premade anyway, even if it does cost a
bit more.

J.


SwashBuckle

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Jul 6, 2003, 1:11:01 AM7/6/03
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Constable and the rest did not have this problem :-)

they just painted right up to the edge.........no mats there

mini

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Ron Stewart

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Jul 6, 2003, 12:22:04 AM7/6/03
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I use Epson 13x19 paper in my HP1220C. I print my photos at 12.5x16.5 and
mount them in a 16x20 frame with a 16x20 mat with a 12x16 cutout. This gives
a nice 2" border all around.
Ron

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Robert Feinman

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Jul 6, 2003, 9:31:40 AM7/6/03
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If you want custom sizes check americanframe.com.
Personally I drymount my pix on a 16x20 matt board and use standard sizes.
There is now law that says you have to use the full width of the paper either.
I print a lot of 11x14 sideways and waste the two inches.

Ronzo wrote:

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Rafe B.

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Jul 6, 2003, 10:03:31 AM7/6/03
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 09:31:40 -0400, Robert Feinman
<robertd...@netscape.net> wrote:

>If you want custom sizes check americanframe.com.
>Personally I drymount my pix on a 16x20 matt board and use standard sizes.
>There is now law that says you have to use the full width of the paper either.
>I print a lot of 11x14 sideways and waste the two inches.
>
>Ronzo wrote:
>
>> So I go out and buy 13x19 paper to use in my Epson 2200 printer. Before I
>> actually print out the picture. I decided to shop for a frame for my new
>> picture. I find out that there is no frame that size, or close to that size
>> around. There is 11x14, which I could have bought 11x16 paper for. Or 16x20
>> which is to large for my paper. Does this mean I have to have a frame
>> special made? What is this size of paper used for?

You can get frames in whatever size you want from any decent
frame shop. Or from the internet.

Anway, since when does the size of the frame have to do with the
size of the artwork? In almost all cases, it should be somewhat
bigger, to allow for a mat.

Ah, but here's another thing to do with 13x19" paper. Cut it in
half to make two sheets 13 x 9.5" Turns out that smaller size
works great for printing images from uncropped 35 mm frames.


rafe b.
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VL

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Jul 6, 2003, 10:53:28 AM7/6/03
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I use the standard 12x16 frame.


Wolf Kirchmeir

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Jul 6, 2003, 12:13:02 PM7/6/03
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 14:03:31 GMT, Rafe B. wrote:

=>Ah, but here's another thing to do with 13x19" paper. Cut it in
=>half to make two sheets 13 x 9.5" Turns out that smaller size
=>works great for printing images from uncropped 35 mm frames.

AHA!

Thanks for this - explains the odd size...

Wolf Kirchmeir

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Jul 6, 2003, 12:15:38 PM7/6/03
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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 06:11:01 +0100, SwashBuckle wrote:

=>Constable and the rest did not have this problem :-)
=>
=>they just painted right up to the edge.........no mats there
=>
=>mini

Er, yes, but they also have wider frames on their pictures.... custom built
for them, too....

Their drawings and prints (etchings, etc) were matted, BTW. Matting is not a
new fashion by any means.

Of course, you don't have to have a frame at all. Drymount the print onto a
board, trim, paint the edges...

Lee Babcock

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Jul 7, 2003, 9:36:04 AM7/7/03
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Ever heard of a mat?
Regards
Lee


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Lee Babcock

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Jul 7, 2003, 9:39:54 AM7/7/03
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Ron Stewart wrote:
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> I use Epson 13x19 paper in my HP1220C. I print my photos at 12.5x16.5 and
> mount them in a 16x20 frame with a 16x20 mat with a 12x16 cutout. This gives
> a nice 2" border all around.
> Ron

Ron...... and I'm sure, it looks very professional as well. It is a
shame that so many good photos are not properly framed. Your method
also allows a small air space between the photo and the glass which is
good.

Lee Babcock

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Jul 7, 2003, 9:41:12 AM7/7/03
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Rafe...... thanks for a great idea. And they said you were just a
pretty face! <g>

Ronzo

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Jul 7, 2003, 9:16:45 PM7/7/03
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I have never seen a standard 12x16 frame.


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Ronzo

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Jul 7, 2003, 9:19:38 PM7/7/03
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Wow. another great idea! You can be sure I'm writing some of these down. I
never expected so many replies. Thanks; Ron


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VL

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Jul 8, 2003, 12:00:13 AM7/8/03
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Do you have a Garden Ridge store in your area? That is where they have a
good selection og 12x16 frames. The glass and back come seperate. They
sell them also. I live in the Dallas area.

VL

Walt

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Jul 8, 2003, 10:43:35 AM7/8/03
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I use 13x19 or 11x17 paper for drafting, mechanical, or
architectural drawing hardcopy printouts. Stuff like
from professional software like AutoCAD, or home software
like 3D Architecture, Landscaping, or Kitchen Design.

wally

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Jul 8, 2003, 11:12:53 AM7/8/03
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Still you have to trim 13x19 to 12x16 which is a PITA, and you
are then throwing away ~5% of your rather expensive photopaper.

I prefer borderless prints in borderless frames so I rarely print
bigger than 11x14. Mounting on foamcore cut to 13x19 is an
option but then thre is no glass to protect from fingerprints
etc.

--wally.

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Jul 8, 2003, 9:00:11 PM7/8/03
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT), "Wolf Kirchmeir"
<wwol...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 14:03:31 GMT, Rafe B. wrote:
>
>=>Ah, but here's another thing to do with 13x19" paper. Cut it in
>=>half to make two sheets 13 x 9.5" Turns out that smaller size
>=>works great for printing images from uncropped 35 mm frames.
>
>AHA!
>
>Thanks for this - explains the odd size...

13X19 is the plate size for a polyester or aluminum plate used to
print 11X17 paper full bleed. By allowing you to print up to the edges
of the plate, you can "center" the image for your standard press
conditions. So 13X19 is the next standard size. Then the photographers
discovered it when the couldn't get 12X16.

Bob O`Bob

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Jul 10, 2003, 2:24:20 AM7/10/03
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wally wrote:

> Still you have to trim 13x19 to 12x16 which is a PITA, and you
> are then throwing away ~5% of your rather expensive photopaper.

Actually, it's more than 22%

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