Buydig / Beech Camera
_R
vendors for printers and cameras? They have good prices on the HP
1320 that I was considering. Any reason to avoid them?
Thanks
Ozgur Inal
The only thing was, after my last order (I was buying it for a friend who
did not have a credit card) an agent called me from buydig and asked "what I
was going to do with all those cameras" (That was my 3rd order in 6 months)
even though it's none of his business. He was like interrogating me and I
hated it.
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Frank ess
He was probably worried that his prices were too low, and you were
selling them and making money that should have been _his_.
Steve Gavette
> vendors for printers and cameras? They have good prices on the HP
> 1320 that I was considering. Any reason to avoid them?
>
problems.
Tony
web operation. I never deal with people I don't trust.
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Steve Young
> Beech has a long history of screwing the public. I don't know about their
> web operation. I never deal with people I don't trust.
When did you ever buy from them?
I bought a camera from them and everything went fine.
Oliver Costich
<johnas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Here check them out.
>
>http://www.resellerratings.com/
>
Buydig is at the top of the second tier, B&H and comparable being in
the first.
brain...@lycos.com
Emailing a question to them about delivery...it was from Beech Camera!
b_d
Siddhartha Jain
I bought from Beachcamera in Nov'04. Good price and was shipped the
very next day. My cousin who went to the store said that they have
boxes and boxes piled up on the floor and were only interested in
showing you a camera if you bought one first.
- Siddhartha
Siddhartha Jain
Isn't that Beachcamera? ;)
FredFarkle
<johnas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:27:30 -0400, _R <_R...@nomail.org> wrote:
>
>Here check them out.
>
>http://www.resellerratings.com/
>
I bought my Kodak DX 7490 from Buydig. Great price too. No complaints
at all.
Want to Fix Something?
Destin_FL
perfect results.
Tim
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Tony
the State's Attorney General for nasty practices, so they moved to Brooklyn
and/or New Jersey where the mob keeps the law off slimy operators like them.
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Siddhartha Jain
> Mater of fact it is. They were Beach Camera of Maine until they ran
afoul of
> the State's Attorney General for nasty practices, so they moved to
Brooklyn
> and/or New Jersey where the mob keeps the law off slimy operators
like them.
>
I read somewhere that they revamped totally after that. But as my
cousin told me its not a shop where salespeople are waiting to serve
you. You walk-in, pay and then they let you open the box. So no
question of trying out cameras before buying.
- Siddhartha
Nostrobino
I have bought three digital cameras from Buydig.com and they are absolutely
first-rate to deal with. Very fast shipping and no annoying "confirmation"
calls such as some low-priced sellers use to try to sell you overpriced
accessories.
If you mean BEACH Camera, I doubt there's any connection with Buydig but I
don't really know. I have never dealt with Beach and probably never will,
since they have not enjoyed a very favorable reputation among buyers.
N.
Joe Makowiec
> If you mean BEACH Camera, I doubt there's any connection with Buydig
> but I don't really know. I have never dealt with Beach and probably
> never will, since they have not enjoyed a very favorable reputation
> among buyers.
Registrant:
beach trading co. (BUYDIG-DOM)
203 route 22 east
greenbrook, NJ 08812
US
Domain Name: BUYDIG.COM
Administrative Contact:
mosseri, solomon (SM16276)
Beach Trading co.
203 route 22 east
greenbrook, NJ 08812
US
(732) 424-1101 fax: (732) 424-1105
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Tony
no reason to shop there.
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Oliver Costich
>I certainly wouldn't buy from them. When a place has no "Goodwill" there is
>no reason to shop there.
Unless you know exactly what you want and the price is substantially
lower.
Robert Feinman
caNO...@comcast.net says...
they promised.
The market is competitive enough that there is usually a reason that
a dealer is cheaper than the honest competitors.
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Nostrobino
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> In article <2pik611rhj3bq9foa...@4ax.com>, olc-
> caNO...@comcast.net says...
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:19:33 GMT, "Tony" <tspa...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I certainly wouldn't buy from them. When a place has no "Goodwill" there
>> >is
>> >no reason to shop there.
>>
>>
>> Unless you know exactly what you want and the price is substantially
>> lower.
>>
> And then you may not actually get it or it may not be exactly the item
> they promised.
Maybe, but my own experience with BuyDig (three cameras so far) has been
100% satisfaction. The cameras came exactly as advertised, brand new, USA
warranty, and shipped as fast as any dealer I have ever used. And I've
bought tons of stuff online.
> The market is competitive enough that there is usually a reason that
> a dealer is cheaper than the honest competitors.
If that "than the honest competitors" is meant to suggest that honesty
increases with selling price, and low prices imply some degree of
dishonesty, that is just silly.
Undoubtedly there's a *reason* for lower prices. I can buy exactly the same
watch, appliance or DVD cheaper from K-Mart than I can from some other store
. . . and cheaper still from Wal-Mart, and so on. For digital cameras my
experience is that the best prices are invariably found over the Internet.
In every case there must be some *reason*, e.g. economies from larger sales
volume, special purchases, more efficient business methods, lower business
costs or just more aggressive pricing. I don't really care what the *reason*
is as long as I can get exactly the same product at a substantially lower
price. It pays to shop around, which why we shop around.
N.
Oliver Costich
<robertd...@netscape.net> wrote:
>In article <2pik611rhj3bq9foa...@4ax.com>, olc-
>caNO...@comcast.net says...
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:19:33 GMT, "Tony" <tspa...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I certainly wouldn't buy from them. When a place has no "Goodwill" there is
>> >no reason to shop there.
>>
>>
>> Unless you know exactly what you want and the price is substantially
>> lower.
>>
>And then you may not actually get it or it may not be exactly the item
>they promised.
>The market is competitive enough that there is usually a reason that
>a dealer is cheaper than the honest competitors.
Why are there only two possibilities? Of course you avoid the scumbag
dealers who advertise prices so low as to be ridiculous, but there are
many dealers that have low prices and do deliver what they say they
will. Buydig happens to be one of them. I saved $200 there rather than
paying the higher prices at other Nikon authorized dealers.
Siddhartha Jain
> And then you may not actually get it or it may not be exactly the
item
> they promised.
> The market is competitive enough that there is usually a reason that
> a dealer is cheaper than the honest competitors.
>
I don't think buydig/beachcamera practises switch-and-bait or that
hasn't been my experience atleast and of several people who've posted
to various message boards.
My guess is their business model depends on selling a lot more than the
competition but at lower margins. For example, while B&H advertised the
300D kit for $789, Beach sold it to me for $703. Thats roughly a 10%
discount that would've come out of their margins. The likes of B&H and
Adorama charge you that extra 10% because they have nice people
attending to you and they need to pay for the higher store upkeep as
compared to Beach/Buydig. B&H and Adorama must also carry larger
inventories and variety than Buydig/Beach. So both are honest but carry
different costs and have different business models.
- Siddhartha
l...@eudoramail.com
problems. The person I spoke with in each case was knowledgeable, and
did not try to push any accessories. He also told me that ordering by
phone is somewhat quicker than online, and in fact had my order in the
system before our phone call was ended.
Both cameras arrived in perfect condition, exactly as specified in the
description (i.e., everything that should have been included was
included), very well packaged, and very quickly.
I don't know what more you could ask of a company.
Steven M. Scharf
> vendors for printers and cameras? They have good prices on the HP
> 1320 that I was considering. Any reason to avoid them?
You're correct, buydig and Beach are the same company.
Buydig is fine. I bought an S500 from them. A colleague bought a Canon
EOS-20D from them.
I was very wary of ordering from buydig, given the sordid history of Beach
Camera, but I think that this may be one case where a company has changed
its evil ways. No price changes, no calls from them to sell expensive
accessories.
One thing that I don't like about buydig, is that on the more popular, and
limited supply items, they occasionally will not even have it available
except in one of their kits (though this is happens only rarely).
Steven M. Scharf
> Tony wrote:
> > Mater of fact it is. They were Beach Camera of Maine until they ran
> afoul of
> > the State's Attorney General for nasty practices, so they moved to
> Brooklyn
> > and/or New Jersey where the mob keeps the law off slimy operators
> like them.
> >
>
> I read somewhere that they revamped totally after that.
I think this is true. I had a bad time with them back around 1993, but
lately they seem to be fine.
Steven M. Scharf
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> Beach has no such history.
They do: http://tinylink.com/?0EBUQFCr8t
However, this is one case where a company seems to have changed for the
better. I have ordered from Buydig, as have at least two colleagues at work,
with no issues as far as I know.
Why on earth Beach didn't change their name when they decided to go
straight, is beyond me.
Tony
dealership, and effectively sell grey market with an apparent US guarantee?
The distinction may not seem like much but if a company wants to get sticky
about it, you can end up with what is effectively an "as is" camera.
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them to have my credit card numbers. I don't trust Beach, and my lack of
trust has proven to be a good policy in matters concerning Brooklyn and New
Jersey camera stores.
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Steve Young
> I wouldn't trust them to ship exactly what I ordered and I wouldn't want
> them to have my credit card numbers. I don't trust Beach, and my lack of
> trust has proven to be a good policy in matters concerning Brooklyn and New
> Jersey camera stores.
Good, higher prices are just what you deserve.
Quite a bit of difference usually. About 20% on a 5.8gig telephone system
I recently purchased.
Oliver Costich
> Are they a Nikon Authorized Dealer? Or do they buy thrrough another
>dealership, and effectively sell grey market with an apparent US guarantee?
>The distinction may not seem like much but if a company wants to get sticky
>about it, you can end up with what is effectively an "as is" camera.
Yes they are an authorized Nikon dealer, making the rest of your
paragraph moot.
Oliver Costich
> I wouldn't trust them to ship exactly what I ordered and I wouldn't want
>them to have my credit card numbers. I don't trust Beach, and my lack of
>trust has proven to be a good policy in matters concerning Brooklyn and New
>Jersey camera stores.
You have no basis other than blatant prejudice for Brooklyn camera
stores regardless of the facts. Feel free to pay higher prices than
you have to to get photo gear.
Tony
practices. I'd want to know from Nikon if they were a real dealer. I find it
best to simply avoid dealers with a strong reputation for shafting the
public. I know more than one person who has been given the old razzle dazzle
until they ended up spending more for the "better" version at Beach. I don't
reward cons and grifters. You may feel differently.
Beach has very mixed reviews here:
http://www.photo.net/neighbor/one-subcategory?id=2
Nooot good enough for me to risk my time or money.
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Tony
Could it be because you are so strong on defending them?
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Vic Dura
Buydig / Beech Camera "Tony" <tspa...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Beach has been thrown out of at least one state for their nasty business
>practices. I'd want to know from Nikon if they were a real dealer. I find it
>best to simply avoid dealers with a strong reputation for shafting the
>public. I know more than one person who has been given the old razzle dazzle
>until they ended up spending more for the "better" version at Beach. I don't
>reward cons and grifters. You may feel differently.
> Beach has very mixed reviews here:
>http://www.photo.net/neighbor/one-subcategory?id=2
>Nooot good enough for me to risk my time or money.
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> "_R" <_R...@nomail.org> wrote in message
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>> I'm told that Buydig is a branch of Beech Camera. Are these reputable
>> vendors for printers and cameras? They have good prices on the HP
>> 1320 that I was considering. Any reason to avoid them?
>
> You're correct, buydig and Beach are the same company.
>
> Buydig is fine. I bought an S500 from them. A colleague bought a Canon
> EOS-20D from them.
>
> I was very wary of ordering from buydig, given the sordid history of Beach
> Camera, but I think that this may be one case where a company has changed
> its evil ways. No price changes, no calls from them to sell expensive
> accessories.
I think you're probably right. Certainly Beach Camera had a very bad
reputation in the past, and I was surprised to see that the user reviews on
BizRate now are very good. This suggests that they have cleaned up their
act. Maybe someone in the company finally figured out that the way to become
really successful is to give honest, first-class service rather than the
opposite.
>
> One thing that I don't like about buydig, is that on the more popular, and
> limited supply items, they occasionally will not even have it available
> except in one of their kits (though this is happens only rarely).
I haven't noticed that. Do these seem to be "kits" that they make up
themselves, or actual manufacturers' kits? (I remember that at the end of
its regular sales life, the Minolta F300 seemed to be available only in a
kit with sport case, NiMH batteries and charger--no matter who you bought it
from. That was an actual Minolta kit.)
N.
DFS
>> I wouldn't trust them to ship exactly what I ordered and I wouldn't
>> want
>>them to have my credit card numbers. I don't trust Beach, and my lack of
>>trust has proven to be a good policy in matters concerning Brooklyn and
>>New
>>Jersey camera stores.
>
> You have no basis other than blatant prejudice for Brooklyn camera
> stores regardless of the facts. Feel free to pay higher prices than
> you have to to get photo gear.
>
Simple FACT is that most Brooklyn dealers are looking to rip you off.
Period. End of story.
DS
Oliver Costich
Like I siad, blatant prejudice. It must be really cool to be the
keeper of the truth.
>
>DS
>
Nostrobino
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There undoubtedly are crooks in Brooklyn as well as elsewhere, but they have
also had top-notch sellers like Brooklyn Camera Exchange. I think BCE moved
farther out on Long Island several years ago, but they were always
absolutely first rate to deal with.
N.
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Steven M. Scharf
> Simple FACT is that most Brooklyn dealers are looking to rip you off.
> Period. End of story.
So Buydig/Beach must be fine, since it's not in Brooklyn. Seriously, buydig
has an excellent reputation, despite the reputation of the old Beach Camera.
Six month ratings as of this time:
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2121.html (NewEgg) 9.51
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1936.html (Beach Camera) 9.36
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2065.html (Buydig) 8.88
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1914.html (B&H) 8.88
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1991.html (ZipZoomFly) 8.80
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2077.html (Amazon) 6.34
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1759.html (Adorama) 4.74
I am quite surprised to see how low Adorama is rated, since I haven't had
any problems with them.
Nostrobino
I did many years ago, when I bought a supposedly new flash unit from them
which didn't work at all, and which from the condition of the box it came in
obviously had been returned many, many times. But other purchases from them
have gone well.
N.
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Oliver Costich
>So how long have you been working for Beach?
Do you still beat your wife? What kind of adolescent reply is this?
Buydig has better ratings than most of the stores, including Adorama.
You got any facts to back up your prejudice?
Oliver Costich
>Some stores don't have their employees rate themselves at reseller.
Now it's a conspiracy. They have so little business that they pay
their employees to do about 300 bogus reviews. Got any evidence for
this either?
Oliver Costich
>Some stores don't have their employees rate themselves at reseller.
By the way, Pricegrabber has a very high rating for them as well,
based on nearly 3000 reviews. I guess they must be one of the biggest
employers in NY.
TW
service. Received 2 days later in NE Ohio.
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Steve Young
>I just bought a Pentax *ist DS from Buydig. Great price and excellent
>service. Received 2 days later in NE Ohio.
Yes, I think Tony the Toothless Tiger is just a shill for the high price
spread :(
Tony
at Photo.net. And the way certain people defend stores as if their incomes
depend on them.
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customer", crossing the border into paranoia or some form of monitary gain.
I don't trust your motives pal - you can be twelve or thirteen or fifty
"satisfied customers" and a maail room clerk at the same time. I know
nothing about you, but your actions are rather suspicious - and I always
discount recommendations from those I suspect of having an ax to grind.
Buydig may well be trying to change Beach's well known nasty spots - but
rabid little anonymous defenders like you sure make it sound like they are
simply continuing the same rip-offs that got them kicked out of Maine.
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Nostrobino
> The fact that more than one employee of these sleze houses admitted doing
> it
Cite? Which "of these sleze [sic] houses"?
> at Photo.net. And the way certain people defend stores as if their incomes
> depend on them.
So for example B&H Photo, which has been much praised (or "defended") in the
NGs over the years, must be doing this?
How about the notion that well-satisfied customers just want to put in a
good word for the sellers that gave them excellent prices and service, both
to show their appreciation and to help other potential buyers? Is that
absolutely beyond any possibility of belief? Must any such recommendation
automatically be suspect as to motive?
N.
Steven M. Scharf
"Nostrobino" <n...@home.today> wrote in message
> How about the notion that well-satisfied customers just want to put in a
> good word for the sellers that gave them excellent prices and service,
both
> to show their appreciation and to help other potential buyers? Is that
> absolutely beyond any possibility of belief? Must any such recommendation
> automatically be suspect as to motive?
Personally, I have a LONG memory regarding sleaze-bag merchants. I ordered
from buydig.com, unaware that they were related to Beach Camera, with whom I
had a problem with in 1993. No problems at all with buydig, and several
colleagues had similar experiences. I haven't seen any negative experiences
with buydig posted on Usenet.
measekite
Steven M. Scharf wrote:
I think Tony the Tiger does not like them because they take business
away from him.
>
>
>
Nostrobino
>
> "Nostrobino" <n...@home.today> wrote in message
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>
>> How about the notion that well-satisfied customers just want to put in a
>> good word for the sellers that gave them excellent prices and service,
> both
>> to show their appreciation and to help other potential buyers? Is that
>> absolutely beyond any possibility of belief? Must any such recommendation
>> automatically be suspect as to motive?
>
> Personally, I have a LONG memory regarding sleaze-bag merchants. I ordered
> from buydig.com, unaware that they were related to Beach Camera,
So did I. If I'd known about the relationship I don't know if I'd have
ordered from BuyDig. I did so based on their excellent customer reviews, and
so far have bought three cameras from them with 100% satisfaction. Great
prices and they have shipped fast every time, no fuss and no baloney.
> with whom I
> had a problem with in 1993. No problems at all with buydig, and several
> colleagues had similar experiences. I haven't seen any negative
> experiences
> with buydig posted on Usenet.
I have never done business with Beach Camera, mostly because I was aware of
their horrible reputation. But I see now that they also have excellent
customer reviews, both on BizRate and DealTime. And very few complaints. It
seems that they've cleaned up their act, or (perhaps more likely) the
business is under completely new management. I may give them a try one of
these days.
N.
Steven M. Scharf
"Nostrobino" <n...@home.today> wrote in message
<snip>
> It seems that they've cleaned up their act, or (perhaps more likely) the
> business is under completely new management.
I agree. The mystery is why they didn't change the name of the company when
they went straight.
Tony
stuff is still there.
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Tony
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> >I just bought a Pentax *ist DS from Buydig. Great price and excellent
> >service. Received 2 days later in NE Ohio.
I don't know what the original message is about, but I always shop for
lowest price. And I ordered my Canon EOS 20D from Buydig for lowest price I
can find at that time (saved around $100 compare to others), then around 2
months ago I ordered a Tamron lense from Beach Camera which I saved around
$30-40 comparing to others (and waiting for $40-50 rebate from Tamrom)
I ordered few Sigma lenses and Sigma4less gaved me the lowest price.
Siddhartha Jain
> I wonder what else that gaved you? Perhaps a kickbacked, or a
celeryed.
>
Given the strong opposition you've shown to Buydig/Beach's reputation,
maybe you work for the competition.
measekite
Tony
before that I was in the music business - both as a musician and managing a
retail store, the bicycle business - as mechanic, salesman, and eventually
bicycle manager for a chain of stores, printer, harpsichord tuner, bus
driver, bridge inspector and even spent some time as a juke box repairman.
I've never worked for a camera store, and have done very little photography
for profit - having found little interest in it. If you go to my website you
will see that I use my own name, I am not an anonymous screen name, and am
located in Chapel Hill NC -- where there are no major camera chains save the
always odious Ritz/Wolfe.
What I have is nearly 40 years experience with mail order camera stores
and the tales of woe from many friends who've been screwed by Brooklyn, and
Jersey stores two of which - Beach and Abe's were obliged to leave Maine
because the state's attorney general's office was after them.
Trust is something a store has to build - perhaps they are attempting to
do that now, but Beach has a reputation similar to meat left in the sun, and
being a photographer - we are after all a very conservative bunch - I will
never recommend them as I have no idea if they are merely using shills to
promote themselves or have actually attempted to change.
If I ever actually meet REAL people who have had good experiences with
Beach -- as I have with some other stores, I might modify my stand. But it
has never happened. I have never actually met a single person who is happy
with Beach, Abe's, Focus, AAA, CCC, Cambridge, Tri-State, Family, or a dozen
other companies (some of which, like Beach, operate under multiple names)
that advertise in Pop Photo.
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"Siddhartha Jain" <los...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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measekite
Tony wrote:
> I don't "work" for anyone. I've been retired for several years now and
>before that I was in the music business -
>
Last week you said you were in the reseller ink and printer repair
business and now you say you are retired. You are getting even more
difficult to believe.
>both as a musician and managing a
>retail store, the bicycle business - as mechanic, salesman, and eventually
>bicycle manager for a chain of stores, printer, harpsichord tuner, bus
>driver, bridge inspector and even spent some time as a juke box repairman.
>
>
WOW =-O
Burt
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>
>
> Tony wrote:
>
>> I don't "work" for anyone. I've been retired for several years now and
>>before that I was in the music business -
> Last week you said you were in the reseller ink and printer repair
> business and now you say you are retired. You are getting even more
> difficult to believe.
(snip)
I don't know why you continually diss this guy. He really contributes to
the NG and helps lots of people with their printer problems. I've taken
your CV at face value - MBA from Stanford, computer programmer, network
administrator, builder of pc's, etc. Is that more or less believeable than
Tony's?
measekite
Burt wrote:
One week he describes himself one way and the next week he says
something totally different. Which description should you believe. If
you cannot believe what he says about himself then how can you believe
what he says about anything.
>
>
>
measekite
Burt wrote:
One week he describes himself one way and the next week he says
Oliver Costich
> I don't "work" for anyone. I've been retired for several years now and
>before that I was in the music business - both as a musician and managing a
>retail store, the bicycle business - as mechanic, salesman, and eventually
>bicycle manager for a chain of stores, printer, harpsichord tuner, bus
>driver, bridge inspector and even spent some time as a juke box repairman.
>I've never worked for a camera store, and have done very little photography
>for profit - having found little interest in it. If you go to my website you
>will see that I use my own name, I am not an anonymous screen name, and am
>located in Chapel Hill NC -- where there are no major camera chains save the
>always odious Ritz/Wolfe.
> What I have is nearly 40 years experience with mail order camera stores
>and the tales of woe from many friends who've been screwed by Brooklyn, and
>Jersey stores two of which - Beach and Abe's were obliged to leave Maine
>because the state's attorney general's office was after them.
> Trust is something a store has to build - perhaps they are attempting to
>do that now, but Beach has a reputation similar to meat left in the sun, and
>being a photographer - we are after all a very conservative bunch - I will
>never recommend them as I have no idea if they are merely using shills to
>promote themselves or have actually attempted to change.
Unless you have evidence to support your claims of ballot stuffing,
you have no basis for your claim. Is Adorama's realy lousy rating a
competitor plot as well?
> If I ever actually meet REAL people who have had good experiences with
>Beach -- as I have with some other stores, I might modify my stand. But it
>has never happened. I have never actually met a single person who is happy
>with Beach, Abe's, Focus, AAA, CCC, Cambridge, Tri-State, Family, or a dozen
>other companies (some of which, like Beach, operate under multiple names)
>that advertise in Pop Photo.
Then you need to broaden your circle of acquaintances. Lots of people
have postive experiences with some of the stores you mention, and
Buydig in particular.
Oliver Costich
wrote:
Yes. And on this issue, he's simply prejudiced. He has no evidence of
his claims.
measekite
Oliver Costich wrote:
Read Tony's previous posts. There you will find evidence.
Tony
suspect it is the usual troll with another bit of dis-information. I have
worked in a couple print shops - but not in the last 30 years.
The person you say helps a lot of people with printer problems is not me,
as I know little of any printer other than my own 6 year old Epson.
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Tony
their past history are not reliable I tend not to believe them. I have no
idea if they are either who they claim to be, or know what they're talking
about.
My credentials are public - There are pictures taken as early as 1965 and
as recently as 2004 on my website, along with a series of articles on
photography.
Frankly my website and long history on this and other photography forums
pretty much makes me a reliable source, while you after all are merely a
name, with nothing to prove that your statements are not simply the rantings
of a nine year old pecking away on mommy's computer, or a clerk at Beach
Camera doing his best to suck up to the boss.
Your opinion carries all the weight of those "surveys" where you pay a
dollar to phone in your vote -- ie; none. You are little more than thin air
without credentials.
About six years ago I was in your situation. A gentleman told me that
without anything to back up what I was saying, my opinions were useless. So
I built a website. It isn't the coolest on the web as programming is not my
idea of fun, but the pitures and articles are proof that I'm not simply a
web weasel with an ax to grind or a paid shill. I would suggest that if you
want real credibility, take the time to build it. You certainly won't gain
any respect without showing your hand.
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"Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Siddhartha Jain
> None I have met. When anoymus character(s) gush over places I know
from
> their past history are not reliable I tend not to believe them. I
have no
> idea if they are either who they claim to be, or know what they're
talking
> about.
> My credentials are public - There are pictures taken as early as
1965 and
> as recently as 2004 on my website, along with a series of articles on
> photography.
Dude, this is the anonymous world of the WWW/Internet. I've as much
reason to believe you or anyone as much they have to believe me. You
might be George W Bush, Elvis Presley or Britney Spears but on the
internet you are just an email/usenet id. So if you go about
questioning other people's credentials over the net then it works the
other way around too.
Vic Dura
Buydig / Beech Camera "Tony" <tspa...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> What I have is nearly 40 years experience with mail order camera stores
>and the tales of woe from many friends who've been screwed by Brooklyn, and
>Jersey stores two of which - Beach and Abe's were obliged to leave Maine
>because the state's attorney general's office was after them.
Good post. As a result of my personal experiences, I have not
purchased a piece of photo equipment from anywhere on the north east
coast in over 20-years.
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measekite
Siddhartha Jain wrote:
>Tony wrote:
>
>
>>None I have met. When anoymus character(s) gush over places I know
>>
>>
>from
>
>
>>their past history are not reliable I tend not to believe them. I
>>
>>
>have no
>
>
>>idea if they are either who they claim to be, or know what they're
>>
>>
>talking
>
>
>>about.
>> My credentials are public - There are pictures taken as early as
>>
>>
>1965 and
>
>
>>as recently as 2004 on my website, along with a series of articles on
>>photography.
>>
>>
>
>Dude, this is the anonymous world of the WWW/Internet. I've as much
>reason to believe you or anyone as much they have to believe me. You
>might be George W Bush, Elvis Presley
>
Woah! I am Elvis not him.
Arthur Entlich
other Tony has printer and ink experience. He posts without a visible
email address, so it appears there has been some confusion of some
people's parts here.
Art
Oliver Costich
> None I have met. When anoymus character(s) gush over places I know from
>their past history are not reliable I tend not to believe them. I have no
>idea if they are either who they claim to be, or know what they're talking
>about.
None you have met? You need to meet more people. Your single data
point is hardly justification for your sweeping conclusions.
> My credentials are public - There are pictures taken as early as 1965 and
>as recently as 2004 on my website, along with a series of articles on
>photography.
> Frankly my website and long history on this and other photography forums
>pretty much makes me a reliable source, while you after all are merely a
>name, with nothing to prove that your statements are not simply the rantings
>of a nine year old pecking away on mommy's computer, or a clerk at Beach
>Camera doing his best to suck up to the boss.
Your photographic experience hardly makes you an expert on anything
other than the techniques of photography and so not a reliable source
of information on the experiences of the whole world of photo gear
buyers.
And don't project your personality flaws onto me. You're nothing but a
name either and an arrogant asshole to boot. Your knowledge of common
logic is nonexistent.
> Your opinion carries all the weight of those "surveys" where you pay a
>dollar to phone in your vote -- ie; none. You are little more than thin air
>without credentials.
As are you. Exactly what kind of credentials would you accept? Never
mind, you'll just describe yourself.
> About six years ago I was in your situation. A gentleman told me that
>without anything to back up what I was saying, my opinions were useless. So
>I built a website. It isn't the coolest on the web as programming is not my
>idea of fun, but the pitures and articles are proof that I'm not simply a
>web weasel with an ax to grind or a paid shill. I would suggest that if you
>want real credibility, take the time to build it. You certainly won't gain
>any respect without showing your hand.
Credibility is a website? You're joking. Anyone can put whatever they
want on a website. By your own criteria, your opinions are worthless
since you have not one shred of evidence beyond your personal
prejudice. Besides the issue isn't a matter of photography but of
vendor-consumer relations, so photographic expertise has nil value.
Oliver Costich
wrote:
>
>
>Siddhartha Jain wrote:
>
>>Tony wrote:
>>
>>
>>>None I have met. When anoymus character(s) gush over places I know
>>>
>>>
>>from
>>
>>
>>>their past history are not reliable I tend not to believe them. I
>>>
>>>
>>have no
>>
>>
>>>idea if they are either who they claim to be, or know what they're
>>>
>>>
>>talking
>>
>>
>>>about.
>>> My credentials are public - There are pictures taken as early as
>>>
>>>
>>1965 and
>>
>>
>>>as recently as 2004 on my website, along with a series of articles on
>>>photography.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Dude, this is the anonymous world of the WWW/Internet. I've as much
>>reason to believe you or anyone as much they have to believe me. You
>>might be George W Bush, Elvis Presley
>>
>
>Woah! I am Elvis not him.
Nonsense. Elvis went home.
Burt
personality"!
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the local troll publish my address and phone number on this forum. If you
are too lazy to check out my website - that is YOUR problem, not mine.
You are the one who is simply a screen name and could be working for
anyone.
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not an uncommon first name. My signature is (or should be) unique to me,
however as I doubt anyone else would want to advertise my website..
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Tony
If you had taken the time to read the Camera-ist's Manifesto you would
have seen the article on buying from mail order shops. Knowledge of the
stores selling the equipment is one of the side benefits of nearly 4
decades of photography. As I said. My credentials are public - while you are
apparently a major loser with an ax to grind.
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either the UK or possibly down under.news:169he.27735$vi2.9...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Oliver Costich
>I'm using my real name, and along with several other REAL people have had
>the local troll publish my address and phone number on this forum. If you
>are too lazy to check out my website - that is YOUR problem, not mine.
> You are the one who is simply a screen name and could be working for
>anyone.
And anyone can put up a website and put anything on it. You're just
too stupid to get it. You don't have a corner on truth. You only have
opinions and can't support most of those with any kind of logic or
evidence.
Oliver Costich
> Well - we all now know what sort of web weasel we are dealing with in you.
> If you had taken the time to read the Camera-ist's Manifesto you would
>have seen the article on buying from mail order shops. Knowledge of the
>stores selling the equipment is one of the side benefits of nearly 4
>decades of photography. As I said. My credentials are public - while you are
>apparently a major loser with an ax to grind.
Your credentials are what you post on your website so hardly any kind
of certification. I have seen the articles on buyin from mail order
(and web) sites. I have also been buying from them with no significant
problems since the 60s. Unlike you, I don't hold that out as proof of
anything. It's just my experience and it being due simply to good luck
is just as rare a probability as having lots of bad experiences.
Only someone who has no real logical position that is supportred by
any evidence needs to resort to the level of puffery you've displayed
here.
measekite
Steven M. Scharf
> Yes. And on this issue, he's simply prejudiced. He has no evidence of
> his claims.
If I hadn't purchased from buydig prior to learning that they were part of
Beach, I probably would still be warning people about Beach 12 years after I
had a bad experience with them. I'm still boycotting Pepsi thirty years
after they did some bad things!
The fact is that this is one of the rare cases where a crappy retailer
actually became a good one. Looking at ResellerRatings, looking at all the
people who have recommended them, and my own personal experiences (and those
of colleagues), are sufficicent evidence.
I make money from people clicking through on my web site, to buy from Amazon
and Adorama, but I still always recommend that they check prices at Buydig.
Tony
cover up his employment at a dishonest camera store. You don't even exist,
save as a name on usenet posts Olive - you are nothing, a loser, a dead
space in the web of life.
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for. You are NO MAN. You are a complete nothing, a fabrication of either
your own imagination or that of your employer. You have no cred Olly - you
are a zed.
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forums for several years now.
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Oliver Costich
<scharf...@linkearth.net> wrote:
>"Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>> Yes. And on this issue, he's simply prejudiced. He has no evidence of
>> his claims.
>
>If I hadn't purchased from buydig prior to learning that they were part of
>Beach, I probably would still be warning people about Beach 12 years after I
>had a bad experience with them. I'm still boycotting Pepsi thirty years
>after they did some bad things!
That's OK if there are enough equally endowed substitutes around.
Things do change, however, and need to be re-evaluated from time to
time.
>
>The fact is that this is one of the rare cases where a crappy retailer
>actually became a good one. Looking at ResellerRatings, looking at all the
>people who have recommended them, and my own personal experiences (and those
>of colleagues), are sufficicent evidence.
>
Reseller ratings? Don'tcha that they are bogus (according to Tony who
has not a shred of evidence).
Oliver Costich
wrote:
Tony da Tiger doesn't have mispelled words on his website.
Oliver Costich
> Unlike you - I am not some anonymous ass who may very well be lying to
>cover up his employment at a dishonest camera store. You don't even exist,
>save as a name on usenet posts Olive - you are nothing, a loser, a dead
>space in the web of life.
I'm hardly anonymous. I use my real name and anyone with even a shred
of evidence could find out that I do exist. I have never worked at any
comera store. You're just a pompous, arrogant ass who is too lazy to
do anything to back up your own drivel.
Oliver Costich
>But my opinions are "informed" while your opinions might very well be paid
>for. You are NO MAN. You are a complete nothing, a fabrication of either
>your own imagination or that of your employer. You have no cred Olly - you
>are a zed.
That your opinions are "informed" is simply your opinion. You really
don't get it and likely never will. You can put up websites and print
up t-shirts and put up billboards with your opinions on them and
they'll still be opinions. The fact is that the majority of people who
posted in thsi thread had positive opnions about Buydig. You have the
right to disagree, but not the right to make disingenuous comments for
which you have no evidence.
Is your evidence that Buydig cheats at reseller ratings as good as it
is that I work for them? Resller ratings for your reommended Adorama
are seriously below many of the Brookly stores you disdain and accuse
without any evidence.
You have no logical skills and the IQ of a doorstop. You're a big
waste of time and your entertainment value has expired. You're on your
own, which I'm sure is no problem since I'm sure you have enough
insults and bogus accusations to rant here for a long time. Some
fucking expert!
measekite
measekite
Tony wrote:
> There are at least two England Tonys who have been posting on the camera
>forums for several years now.
>
>
So Tony da Tiger is the one in the printer repair and ink business and
the other Tony is in what???
How do you tell Tony da Tiger from Tony da Websiter?
measekite
Oliver Costich wrote:
I am not saying I agree to do not agree with any of this. But this NG is
full of pompous asses. And at times some of the pompous asses make
sense and other times they do not.
As for reviews, it is OK to look at them but remember over time any of
the employees of a webstore can post numerous positive reviews. It is
very difficult to spot phony reviews from genuine reviews.
>
>
>
>
Burt
all the Tonys as long as they can help people with their printer questions.
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Burt wrote:
>Why bother - they both have information to contribute to the NG. Bring on
>all the Tonys as long as they can help people with their printer questions.
>
>
Boy is that a dumb remark.
Oliver Costich
wrote:
Of course it is and it probably happens to some small degree, but many
of these stores have thousands of ratings. Self selected respondents
can't make the result statistically valid, but given the numbers
there's likely some indication of what you can expect.
But if the ratings are so skewed by tampering, how is it that Adorama,
which Tony recommends, has such lousy ratings. Maybe this is a plot by
the employees of the competitors. There's way too much conspiracy
theory in his postion.
measekite
Oliver Costich wrote:
>On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:18:35 GMT, measekite <meas...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>Oliver Costich wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 14 May 2005 20:34:21 GMT, "Tony" <tspa...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Unlike you - I am not some anonymous ass who may very well be lying to
>>>>cover up his employment at a dishonest camera store. You don't even exist,
>>>>save as a name on usenet posts Olive - you are nothing, a loser, a dead
>>>>space in the web of life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I'm hardly anonymous. I use my real name and anyone with even a shred
>>>of evidence could find out that I do exist. I have never worked at any
>>>comera store. You're just a pompous, arrogant ass who is too lazy to
>>>do anything to back up your own drivel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I am not saying I agree to do not agree with any of this. But this NG is
>>full of pompous asses. And at times some of the pompous asses make
>>sense and other times they do not.
>>
>>As for reviews, it is OK to look at them but remember over time any of
>>the employees of a webstore can post numerous positive reviews. It is
>>very difficult to spot phony reviews from genuine reviews.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>
>Of course it is and it probably happens to some small degree, but many
>of these stores have thousands of ratings. Self selected respondents
>can't make the result statistically valid, but given the numbers
>there's likely some indication of what you can expect.
>
>
I feel tht way also but I still am cautious.
>But if the ratings are so skewed by tampering, how is it that Adorama,
>which Tony recommends, has such lousy ratings. Maybe this is a plot by
>the employees of the competitors. There's way too much conspiracy
>theory in his postion.
>
>
And I am sure that is also true that competitors provide lousey
reviews. For photo stuff I hear that BH Photo is good.