Epson Inks
Nodge
size prints. I am only using genuine Epson cartridges and I am getting very
good quality and no print problems whatseover. Even after returning from a 2
week holiday I did a nozzle check and had no blocked nozzles at all. Of
course the only problem is I'm spending a small fortune on ink and I'm now
considering changing to either compatible cartridges or something like a
Lyson continuous ink system. I've been steering clear of compatibles up to
now as I know people have problems with blocked nozzles with some of them.
I really do need to cut my costs though while retaining quality and
reliablility.
Any recommendations for either compatible carts or continuous ink systems?
Any to avoid? I might even consider getting another A3 printer just for use
on this project. I've always been happy with the print quality from Epsons
but i'm open to suggestions if there's a better solution.
Thanks
John
Jan Alter
school with bulk compatible ink from www.inksupply.com . I've been refilling
spongeless cartridges and resetting the chips with a chip resetter for
almost two years on both variety of machines. I like the results of the ink
with the R1800 just fine, and it is supposed to be just as archival as the
OEM. Once and a while I get a minor clog if I haven't used the printer in a
month, but the clog clears within one or two clean cycles. If you take a
look at the site you should find a few different choices of cartridges and
ink available from these folks. They have a good reputation as well as a
tech support department that shows itself to be quality.
There are at least half a dozen other companies around with decent
references and recommendations from other posters on this NG that will
get you quality ink.
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Nodge
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> I use a R1800 at home with compatible bulk ink and a dozen C84 printers at
> school with bulk compatible ink from www.inksupply.com . I've been
refilling
> spongeless cartridges and resetting the chips with a chip resetter for
> almost two years on both variety of machines. I like the results of the
ink
> with the R1800 just fine, and it is supposed to be just as archival as the
> OEM. Once and a while I get a minor clog if I haven't used the printer in
a
> month, but the clog clears within one or two clean cycles. If you take
a
> look at the site you should find a few different choices of cartridges and
> ink available from these folks. They have a good reputation as well as a
> tech support department that shows itself to be quality.
> There are at least half a dozen other companies around with decent
> references and recommendations from other posters on this NG that will
> get you quality ink.
>
> --
> Jan Alter
> bea...@verizon.net
> or
> jal...@phila.k12.pa.us
> "Nodge" <m...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for your comments Jan. I should have mentioned I'm in the UK so I'm
looking for a UK supplier. Problem is there are so many companies offering
compatible inks I'd like to start off with one that comes recommended from
someone who's used them for a while and had no problems.
John
gowanoh
The inks are ridiculously expensive but you knew that when you bought the
printer.
Do not be swayed by writers who claim to have no problems with non-Epson
inks. It just ain't so.
It is a fact that Epson print heads are extremely sensitive to any changes
in the physical properties of the inks and can be impossible to clear if
clogged.
A high quality continuous feed system is probably a better alternative but
is not necessarily cost effective unless you print alot. Again, be prepared
to lose the printer if something goes awry.
If color management is important to you, and it should be, if you switch
inks you will be lucky if you then do not have to prepare custom paper
profiles, presuming the non-Epson inks are consistent enough in quality to
make the effort worthwhile.
Jan Alter
(we) use as to keep the discussion to the most modern printers.
I am the IT person at our elementary school. We use more than 80 Epson
printers and have been accumulating them since 1998. Twelve of them are
C84's that I use them with refillable spongeless cartridges. The rest are
C82's, C80's, more than two dozen Epson Stylus 740's, with another dozen of
Epson Stylus 880's. And the ironic thing with the C84's is that when I used
the Epson OEM Durabrite ink in the very first six C84's every one of them
clogged within two years. It was at that point that I started the last dozen
with dye-base aftermarket ink and refilling cartridges; and these twelve all
are going fine. Well, almost fine. One of the C84's recently developed a
head delamination, but still runs and still puts out decent enough print. I
don't think I can attribute the problem to ink, but probably to faulty
materials, as older C84's we use have not displayed this event happening.
We have been using aftermarket cartridges in all of them since 1998,
and without complaint of any of the aftermarket ink causing headclogs. I
would guess that we've lost four or five printers during that time and
mostly to a CB's (circuit boards) going or pages not being pulled into the
printer correctly. When a printer dies these days it is from failed
electronics and not from the head not pushing ink. So when you suggest that
one should be ready to "lose the printer " for use of any third party ink I
have to wince and wonder what experience you have had to make you come to
that decision. From my nine years of use with this many printers I have
found the three or four brands of aftermarket ink we've used give very good
printing, virtually no difference in head clogging than the OEM ink, and
saved us thousands of dollars for what we would have spent buying Epson's
highly overpriced spread.
There are excellent third party inks available for Epsons as well as
other printers on the market. It is simply a matter of thinking outside of
the box, getting a little information, and reading what experiences other
users have had with particular brands of ink.
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Arthur Entlich
The information stated below by this poster is a load of C*AP.
People would be best to ignore this poster, he/she doesn't know what
they are speaking about. The generalities made are more often not true
than true.
It is true that SOME Epson ink formulations are fairly non-clogging (in
specific the Ultrachrome inks) but I have documented feedback that even
they clog. As for 3rd party inks, some are terrible, most are
equivalent to Epson, and some are superior. If what this person claimed
were true, the massive industry in 3rd party ink sales to Epson owners
would just not occur.
Art
measekite
Arthur Entlich wrote:
> I have no stake in any ink business, original OEM or 3rd party.
>
> The information stated below by this poster is a load of C*AP.
I think that gowanoh really knows what he is talking about. I do agree
with him.
>
> People would be best to ignore this poster, he/she doesn't know what
> they are speaking about. The generalities made are more often not
> true than true.
>
> It is true that SOME Epson ink formulations are fairly non-clogging
> (in specific the Ultrachrome inks) but I have documented feedback that
> even they clog. As for 3rd party inks, some are terrible, most are
> equivalent to Epson, and some are superior. If what this person
> claimed were true, the massive industry in 3rd party ink sales to
> Epson owners would just not occur.
>
> Art
>
>
> gowanoh wrote:
>
>> I would use non-Epson inks only if you are willing to lose the printer.
That is very true
>> The inks are ridiculously expensive but you knew that when you bought
>> the printer.
The same is true for both Canon and HP as well.
>> Do not be swayed by writers who claim to have no problems with
>> non-Epson inks. It just ain't so.
Oh Yeah like many here in this ng.
>> It is a fact that Epson print heads are extremely sensitive to any
>> changes in the physical properties of the inks and can be impossible
>> to clear if clogged.
Once in a great while I hear they get clogged.
>> A high quality continuous feed system is probably a better
>> alternative but is not necessarily cost effective unless you print alot.
Exactly what I have said.
>> Again, be prepared to lose the printer if something goes awry.
Right.
>> If color management is important to you, and it should be, if you
>> switch inks you will be lucky if you then do not have to prepare
>> custom paper profiles, presuming the non-Epson inks are consistent
>> enough in quality to make the effort worthwhile.
Now since you are saying the same thing as me there will be a few idiots
who will claim that you are me and other idiots that claim I is you and
still other idiots that claim both.
>>
>>
Nodge
Thanks for the comments so far. It's obvious that 3rd party inks are very
variable. Some are not very good and give poor results and are prone to
clogging while others are much better and possibly equal to the Epson
originals. So what I want to know is which are which with respect to UK
suppliers. Anyone care to recommend someone?
TIA
NotMe
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|
| Arthur Entlich wrote:
| > I have no stake in any ink business, original OEM or 3rd party.
| >
| > The information stated below by this poster is a load of C*AP.
| I think that gowanoh really knows what he is talking about. I do agree
| with him.
|
The general consensus plus real world experience suggest that you're both
full of sh|t.
We own several graphic arts studios. The last EPSON printers we've
pruchased were several years back.. We use exclusively aftermarket ink in
these machines so far none have failed at any of the studios.
Yianni
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measekite
Nodge wrote:
> Thanks for the comments so far. It's obvious that 3rd party inks are very
> variable. Some are not very good and give poor results and are prone to
> clogging while others are much better and possibly equal to the Epson
> originals.
Nothing is equal to Epson OEM ink for an Epson printer. Most notably are
the ultrachrome ink used on the 3800 printer.
measekite
NotMe wrote:
> "measekite" <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in message
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> |
> |
> | Arthur Entlich wrote:
> | > I have no stake in any ink business, original OEM or 3rd party.
> | >
> | > The information stated below by this poster is a load of C*AP.
>
> | I think that gowanoh really knows what he is talking about. I do agree
> | with him.
> |
>
> The general consensus plus real world experience suggest that you're both
> full of sh|t.
>
Notme
Jim Ford
I have an Epson Stylus Photo 895 and was fed up with wasting ink (Epson
OEM and others) through constantly having to run cleaning cycles. The
cleaning cycles were not necessarily related to blocked nozzles, but
clearing air introduced when changing cartridges.
A few months ago I bought a 'Continuous Inking System' (CIS) from:
http://www.inkjetrevolution.com
I now _very_ rarely have to run cleaning cycles.
The ink that Inkjetrevolution supply is from:
I get beautiful prints with the printer now, but have noticed problems
with fading. I mentioned this on the printing forum at www.dpreview.com
and was informed that _the_ major factor influencing durability is the
paper. I'm currently getting through 200 sheets of 'Black Diamond'
gloss, which I suspect is the cause of the problem (it was cheap!). When
I've finished the paper I'll try another make (Staples Premium comes
recommended).
Hope this helps.
Jim Ford
BTW, ignore postings by 'measekite' - he only repeats 'use OEM' ad nauseum!
Jan Alter
Unfortunately for everyone the formula that Epson came up with to make it
eventually would clog the head making it next to impossible to clear.
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Nodge
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Jim, thanks for your input. The prints I am producing are on a commerecial
basis. ie being sold to customers so quality is very important to me. If you
are noticing fading after just a month or two then I wouldn't dare risk the
ink you are using. I'm not convinced about the problem being with the paper
and not the ink. I think Epson quote over 50 years for their paper & ink.
John
measekite
Jim Ford wrote:
> Nodge wrote:
>> Thanks for the comments so far. It's obvious that 3rd party inks are
>> very
>> variable. Some are not very good and give poor results and are prone to
>> clogging while others are much better and possibly equal to the Epson
>> originals. So what I want to know is which are which with respect to UK
>> suppliers. Anyone care to recommend someone?
>>
>
> I have an Epson Stylus Photo 895 and was fed up with wasting ink
> (Epson OEM and others) through constantly having to run cleaning
> cycles. The cleaning cycles were not necessarily related to blocked
> nozzles, but clearing air introduced when changing cartridges.
>
> A few months ago I bought a 'Continuous Inking System' (CIS) from:
>
> http://www.inkjetrevolution.com
>
> I now _very_ rarely have to run cleaning cycles.
>
> The ink that Inkjetrevolution supply is from:
>
> http://www.ocp.de/
>
> I get beautiful prints with the printer now, but have noticed problems
> with fading.
Thats to be expected. Read Wilhelm Labs about using inferior ink.
> I mentioned this on the printing forum at www.dpreview.com and was
> informed that _the_ major factor influencing durability is the paper.
> I'm currently getting through 200 sheets of 'Black Diamond' gloss,
> which I suspect is the cause of the problem (it was cheap!).
Cheap and inexpensive are not the same thing.
> When I've finished the paper I'll try another make (Staples Premium
> comes recommended).
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Jim Ford
>
> BTW, ignore postings by 'measekite' - he only repeats 'use OEM' ad
> nauseum!
I do not complain about fading ad nauseum do you?
measekite
If you are noticing fading after just a month or two then I wouldn't dare risk the ink you are using.
Jim Ford
> Jim, thanks for your input. The prints I am producing are on a commerecial
> basis. ie being sold to customers so quality is very important to me. If you
> are noticing fading after just a month or two then I wouldn't dare risk the
> ink you are using. I'm not convinced about the problem being with the paper
> and not the ink. I think Epson quote over 50 years for their paper & ink.
The experts on the printer forum at www.dpreview.com are quite adamant
that paper is _the_ major factor in print durability (which surprised
me). You might like to ask your question(s) there.
Jim Ford
Jim Ford
>> BTW, ignore postings by 'measekite' - he only repeats 'use OEM' ad
>> nauseum!
> I do not complain about fading ad nauseum do you?
No, but you have a 'one-string-fiddle' that only plays 'Use OEM'!
Jim Ford
Yianni
pigment inks. Nobody buys such a printer for using it with dyes.
And a tip, C84 is designed to use pigment inks, now because you use dye, C84
is less prone to clogs than a printer designed for dye inks!
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I went to the photo show at the javits center a week ago and spoke to
the Lyson rep. I own an Epson Stylus Photo R1800 and am looking for a
professional continuous ink system. I'm going to go with Lyson in the
very near future as I need to produce a very large number of very
large prints. The Lyson ink is archival and very close to the gamut
of the Epson inks and have a better red and yellow than Epson
according to the rep. I asked him about clogging and he said print
something out occasionally during inactive printing periods. Epson
ink can get expensive as hell considering the amount of cleaning the
system does when turned on. If anyone can give a recommendation other
than Lyson that might be better with archival qualities, I'd love to
hear it. Epson printers are great machines, but the ink expense is
killer.
Frank
---his usual bs lies----
Have you recently been discharged from a mental institution? We all need
to know as you desperately need to be re-committed.
The treatment didn't work.
Try again.
Frank
Jan Alter
Dura-brite, is inappropriate, and causes the printhead to clog to the point
of the printer being ruined. The dye base third party ink designed by a good
aftermarket company works just fine. Almost two years of using that kind of
dye-base ink with a dozen C84's is enough evidence to prove that to me. I've
found from hard experience that just because Epson SAYS something doesn't
make it necessarily true. What they foisted on the consumer with Dura-brite
inks (not Dura-brite Ultra) was a nastily designed ink that I would
conjecture has caused thousands of printers to prematurely become landfill
fodder; from my own experience with the first six that died within a two
year period when I used their ink in those printers.
As far as my suggestion goes to the OP about refilling I never said I was
using dye base ink with the R1800. In fact I'm using aftermarket pigment ink
with that particular printer, and it works fine and is a fraction of the
cost of buying Epson ink, besides being environmentally friendly in that I
can refill the cartridges instead of purchasing new ones each time.
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measekite
measekite
Jan Alter wrote:
> On the contrary, the pigment ink that Epson designed for the C84,
> Dura-brite, is inappropriate, and causes the printhead to clog to the point
> of the printer being ruined.
Those durabrite printers are garbage and were garbage when they were made.
> The dye base third party ink designed by a good
> aftermarket company
Now there just are not any of those. Well maybe Lyson and Pantone.
> works just fine. Almost two years of using that kind of
> dye-base ink with a dozen C84's is enough evidence to prove that to me.
Does not prove anything. And what about fading.
> I've
> found from hard experience that just because Epson SAYS something doesn't
> make it necessarily true. What they foisted on the consumer with Dura-brite
> inks (not Dura-brite Ultra) was a nastily designed ink that I would
> conjecture has caused thousands of printers to prematurely become landfill
> fodder; from my own experience with the first six that died within a two
> year period when I used their ink in those printers.
> As far as my suggestion goes to the OP about refilling I never said I was
> using dye base ink with the R1800. In fact I'm using aftermarket pigment ink
> with that particular printer, and it works fine
Fine does not mean anything. I am sure the color quality is not as good
and the fade resistance cannot compare either but it is certain that
there are no photoshop color profiles for the who knows what and your paper.
RCC
Epson compatible ink "Think" brand for some years with no problems:
maybe one or two unusable cartridges in 50+ but the price is so low I
just throw them away. For a while they stopped doing the cartridge for
the model I use (880) so I changed to printerinks.com Xprint brand, -
equally no problems - hard to judge which is best but maybe the think
ones had a bit more ink in them.
Hard to judge fading - certainly OK for 2 years displayed in a photo
frame but I will be worm fodder long before I can vouch for 50 year fade
properties.
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Jim Ford
I'm afraid the next step will have to be a prefrontal lobotomy for
measkite, Frank!
Jim Ford
ggreekx
> I have an Epson 2100 A3 printer which I am now using to regularly print A3
> size prints. I am only using genuine Epson cartridges and I am getting very
> good quality and no print problems whatseover. Even after returning from a 2
> week holiday I did a nozzle check and had no blocked nozzles at all. Of
> course the only problem is I'm spending a small fortune on ink and I'm now
> considering changing to either compatible cartridges or something like a
> Lyson continuous ink system. I've been steering clear of compatibles up to
> now as I know people have problems with blocked nozzles with some of them.
> I really do need to cut my costs though while retaining quality and
> reliablility.
> Any recommendations for either compatible carts or continuous ink systems?
> Any to avoid? I might even consider getting another A3 printer just for use
> on this project. I've always been happy with the print quality from Epsons
> but i'm open to suggestions if there's a better solution.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
I always refilled my printers but for GENERAL purpose use until now.
The best choise for me was buying a laser printer (have an aculaser
c1100n & a brother DCP-7010) to print everything but photos with BULK
toner and am planning to buy the epson 1400 or R1800 (R1900 %-) for
fotos WITH OEM cartridges.The only way to get photos last for years is
to use specific inks&media.
My canon's photos printed with inksupply inks (dye) will last about 1-2
MONTHS in my room and unframed.Very dissapointing i guess...
But i have photos printed by my old epson 870 with inksupply's GP
archival inks which last til now (5 years) without maggior fading.
My opinion is that you should consider selling this printer and buy
one new more affordable to run (IMHO)
Jim Ford
> My canon's photos printed with inksupply inks (dye) will last about 1-2
> MONTHS in my room and unframed.Very dissapointing i guess...
Contributers to the printing forum at http://dpreview.com have stated
that _the_ major factor influencing print durability with dye inks is
the paper, not the ink.
Jim Ford
ggreekx
so ..... ? what is your point?
I printed on epson premium gloss 255gr , heavy weight matte and canon's PPpro
Same results..... i managed to take 3-4 months life prints on matte
paper but 2 months or 5 months for me is the same.
Check at wilhelm research site.You'll see that the ink is the number
ONE factor and then comes the paper.
Frank
Nothing but a pack of lies (as usual).
Frank
Frank
Nothing based on any actual user experience.
Don't put one cent's worth of belief into anything this moron says. He's
a lying idiot.
Frank
Jim Ford
> On 2007-10-28 18:16:30 +0100, Jim Ford
> <jaf...@watford53.freeserve.co.uk> said:
>
>> ggreekx wrote:
>>
>>> My canon's photos printed with inksupply inks (dye) will last about
>>> 1-2 MONTHS in my room and unframed.Very dissapointing i guess...
>>
>> Contributers to the printing forum at http://dpreview.com have stated
>> that _the_ major factor influencing print durability with dye inks is
>> the paper, not the ink.
>>
>> Jim Ford
>
> so ..... ? what is your point?
Erm, I would have thought my point was obvious - don't assume because a
print fades, that it's solely down to the ink used.
Jim Ford
Burt
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> My canon's photos printed with inksupply inks (dye) will last about 1-2
> MONTHS in my room and unframed.Very dissapointing i guess...
(snip)
>
Not my experience. Do you have a lot of UV exposure in your room?
ggreekx
Every print faded after a few months.So the maggior factor is the ink
and not the paper.
Richard Steinfeld
> On the contrary, the pigment ink that Epson designed for the C84,
> Dura-brite, is inappropriate, and causes the printhead to clog to the point
> of the printer being ruined.
What they foisted on the consumer with Dura-brite
> inks (not Dura-brite Ultra) was a nastily designed ink that I would
> conjecture has caused thousands of printers to prematurely become landfill
> fodder; from my own experience with the first six that died within a two
> year period when I used their ink in those printers.
Believe it or not, thousands (millions?) of people had similar
experiences with the second round of Oki's LED printers. Oki tried to
come up with an environmentally-friendly version of their process that
didn't work out; the drums self-destructed, often in less than a year,
and this could happen in before-sale storage. The process was used for
printers, fax machines, etc. My new printer emerged from the box with a
dead drum. This is an expensive consumable part at $160; the drum that
Oki replaced for me under warranty was good for about three weeks before
the image began to break up. This didn't exactly help customer loyalty!
However, at least in my case, Oki came through 7 years later; replaced
the thing with a newer-process refurb that's nice and stable. I guess
that intense competition causes things to sometimes get rushed to market
before their long-term performance has been evaluated. Ouch!
> As far as my suggestion goes to the OP about refilling I never said I was
> using dye base ink with the R1800. In fact I'm using aftermarket pigment ink
> with that particular printer, and it works fine and is a fraction of the
> cost of buying Epson ink, besides being environmentally friendly in that I
> can refill the cartridges instead of purchasing new ones each time.
>
I'm really interested! I've got a used 4600 all-in-one. It uses
Dura-Brite ink. I'm going to assume that I'll be able to clean the heads
somehow. It came in a 4800 box! So, I assume that Epson replaced the
printer with the later model that uses Dura-Brite Ultra ink, and that
mine from the thrift shop is neatly clogged up.
I've been looking over a couple of web sites of ink manufacturers (not
retail ink sellers -- the people who really make the stuff). I've been
impressed with what I've seen on these sites.
So, I'm really interested in knowing what pigment-based ink you've been
using successfully. One of the things that attracted me to an Epson was
the claim of better image permanence then I've experience with dyes and
moisture. Would you be kind enough to tell us what your ink is and where
you get it?
Thanks.
Richard
Richard Steinfeld
> The information stated below by this poster is a load of C*AP.
>
Art, it's just you-know-who.
Richard
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Clearly presidential material.
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|
<snip>
|
| Fine does not mean anything. I am sure the color quality is not as good
| and the fade resistance cannot compare either but it is certain that
| there are no photoshop color profiles for the who knows what and your
paper.
| > and is a fraction of the
| > cost of buying Epson ink, besides being environmentally friendly in that
I
| > can refill the cartridges instead of purchasing new ones each time.
Reminds me of the Nuns in a Catholic School teaching Sex Ed. A subject they
avow not to know anything about.
Yianni
Pigment is much more difficult than dye. And trust me the epson pigment inks
(both durabrite and ultrachrome are very good!). You will see the results of
the pigment ink to the 1800 very soon.
On the other hand, if someone uses aftermarket inks usually consumes more.
This gives an advance and the printhead last more.
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"Jan Alter" <bea...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Yianni
pigment inks are "milky". The yellow is easy distinguishable, the pigment is
opaque, the dye transparent.
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Jan Alter
site where the I get my supply. I think I've been using MIS for the R1800
for a little over a year and half.
http://www.inksupply.com/r800ink_org.cfm
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Jan Alter
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or
jal...@phila.k12.pa.us
"Yianni" <9jir...@yahoo.gr> wrote in message
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measekite
When garbage hits paper thats what happens.
measekite
The churchgoers will not admit that aftermarket ink is not as good and
can be damaging as OEM ink. That said, in an HP where the print cart is
built into the ink tank it may be OK to use it for printing webpages,
maps etc that you will shortly throw away and that is providing the
carts do not leak.
ggreekx
Not at all!
But anyway 1-2 months are really nothing!
But with archival GP inks i got decent prints.
Jim Ford
> When garbage hits paper thats what happens.
Go and jingle your bells elsewhere, you motley fool measkite!
Jim Ford
Jim Ford
.. his usual inane drivel!
Wipe the drool off your chin, do your flies up and get someone to tie
your shoelaces, measekite. If you smarten yourself up perhaps you could
fool the casual observer into thinking you had an IQ in double figures!
Jim Ford
Frank
>
>
> The churchgoers will not admit that aftermarket ink is not as good and
> can be damaging as OEM ink.
The idiots (we mean only you of course) that have never, ever used after
market inks are full of shit and know nothing at all about them.
So who you gonna believe? Experienced users or losers like you?
Guess!
Frank
Richard Steinfeld
manufacturer's site, only Inksupply. I found Inksupply's web site very
difficult to navigate for my printer (Epson CX4600); after 20 minutes, I
realized that the info I need is not on the site.
What I'd like to know is if Inksupply is a true manufacturer, a
wholesaler, retailer, two of these things? And/or who is the real
manufacturer of this ink and where are they located? Or, is MIS a
proprietary name put onto products by a distributor for ink made by
someone else.
Anyone have the answers?
Thanks.
Richard
Burt
"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinBUT...@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote in
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MIS is listed as a vendor on the Image Specialist web site. IS is an ink
manufacturer. There may also be mention of IS on the MIS site. I've
communicated with a fellow who sells only IS inks and identifies them as
such on his site. He said that a vendor who sells IS inks can only mention
the IS name if he sells only IS inks. That's all I know. MIS does have a
good range of inks for Epson printers, but I don't know much about those
products as I am presently using Canon printers. I have purchased ink from
MIS for about three years plus. their prices went up fairly recently so I
made my last purchase from the fellow I mentioned. He may only sell Canon
compatable inks - I don't know. He is in Canada, but he ships to the US and
is very reasonable.
Arthur Entlich
cleanings or do so more often than a dye printer would. I somewhat
doubt it is due to head design, for instance.
Art
Arthur Entlich
a paper/ink combination, and some inks won't survive regardless of the
paper.
As a general rule, I would say the combo with dye inks is nearly a 40/60
relationship. A reasonable dye ink place don a well mordanted paper
type can lock in the ink very well. All dye ink is somewhat fugitive if
not tied down to the paper surface chemically, and a poorly designed
paper may lack the features to hold the dye molecules onto it.
Art
Arthur Entlich
Art
Richard Steinfeld
> communicated with a fellow who sells only IS inks and identifies them as
> such on his site.
Thanks, Burt.
Can you please identify the fellow in Canada.
Thanks.
Ruchard
Burt
"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinBUT...@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote in
The company is Precision Colors and the link is http://home.eol.ca/~mikling/
. Mikling is the name the fellow uses on the Nifty stuff forum. He has
been very helpful on that forum with advice on printhead maintenance and
refilling. He has never mentioned, in any of his posts, the fact that he
sells inks. The site is included in his signature at the bottom of the
post. Not exactly pushing his products. I emailed him and asked several
questions which he answered by return email. So far, I've only seen ink
sets for sale, but I'm sure he would send different quantities of individual
colors. On my six color Canon i960 I use twice the amount of the light
dye-load photo cyan and photo Magenta and 1 1/2 times the yellow as magenta
and cyan. Black is used somewhat less. I also refill carts for my wife's
Canon ip5000, a CMYK plus black pigmented ink printer. This does tend to
balance out the quantities of ink usage of each of six colors from refilling
for both printers.
measekite
Arthur Entlich wrote:
> Maybe he uses a sun lamp?
>
> Art
>
> Burt wrote:
>
>> "ggreekx" <nomail> wrote in message
>> news:4724b787$0$10625$4faf...@reader2.news.tin.it...
>>
>>> On 2007-10-24 22:11:32 +0200, "Nodge" <m...@nospam.com> said:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>
>>> My canon's photos printed with inksupply inks (dye) will last about
>>> 1-2 MONTHS in my room and unframed.Very dissapointing i guess...
>>
>> (snip)
That sounds kind of generous
measekite
Richard Steinfeld wrote:
> I searched for the ink manufacturer MIS and didn't come up with a
> manufacturer's site, only Inksupply.
Of course you could not find out. They do not want you to know and they
will not disclose what they are selling. At least you admit that is the
case.
> I found Inksupply's web site very difficult to navigate for my printer
> (Epson CX4600); after 20 minutes, I realized that the info I need is
> not on the site.
That is what I have been saying for a long time. Gee you are two for two.
>
> What I'd like to know is if Inksupply is a true manufacturer,
No
> a wholesaler, retailer, two of these things? And/or who is the real
> manufacturer of this ink and where are they located?
They will not tell you. And it may very well be there is multiple mfg
going under the same name.
> Or, is MIS a proprietary name put onto products by a distributor for
> ink made by someone else.
You got it.