Printing copies of currency

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Ray R

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Dec 9, 2003, 1:59:56 PM12/9/03
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As an experiment I tried to copy an print one of the new $20 bills.
Before you say I am breaking the law by doing so read the
web site referenced at the end of note. I fully intend to obey the rules.
I was able to do a full scan at 1600 DPI using Photoshop CS (ver 8.0)
and save the resulting image to the hard drive.

When I tried to print it on my Canon i850 only a small part of it
would print regardless of the orientation or the size. Other
printing programs resulted in the same results. I was able to cut
a small part of the image and print it. When I tried to cut about
half the image Photoshop informed me that it was illegal and
referred me to the web page below. It seems as though the printer
and software vendors are stepping past what is legally required.

As per the legal requirement I have deleted the file that contained
the image.

http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml
U.S. Currency
The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of
Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S.
currency provided:
1.. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and
one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

2.. the illustration is one-sided; and

3.. all negatives, plates, positives, digitized storage medium, graphic files,
magnetic medium, optical storage devices, and any other thing used in the making
of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part
thereof are destroyed and/or deleted or erased after their final use.


Trev

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Dec 9, 2003, 2:20:53 PM12/9/03
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"Ray R" <d...@not.reply> wrote in message
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> As an experiment I tried to copy an print one of the new $20 bills.
> Before you say I am breaking the law by doing so read the
> web site referenced at the end of note. I fully intend to obey the
rules.
> I was able to do a full scan at 1600 DPI using Photoshop CS (ver 8.0)
> and save the resulting image to the hard drive.
>

Psp 8 will not let you scan it into the program. Wont allow Uk Notes
either


Phrederick

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Dec 9, 2003, 3:00:03 PM12/9/03
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The software is smart enough to recognize that you are scanning money???

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Yet Another Mike

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Dec 9, 2003, 4:27:05 PM12/9/03
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Perhaps the software detects the dimensions of the object. Maybe placing 2
or 3 at a time together. Alternatively, the software could detect color
balance (esp for "greenbacks" -- US bills). In that case, placing the bill
on a colored background might help. Also, try freeware programs. They are
less likely to have such controls.


Mike A.

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Dec 9, 2003, 4:29:59 PM12/9/03
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"Phrederick" <ab...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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Won't scan Canadian bills either.

GB

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Dec 9, 2003, 8:30:04 PM12/9/03
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what about PS CS? It scans in Australian currency no problems, does it
'detect' US currency?

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Robin

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Dec 9, 2003, 8:46:27 PM12/9/03
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I have been a photocopier technician for 23 years. Even color copier from
8-9 years ago were required to have software that would prevent them from
copying currency. If you wanted to swap out the prom's you had to have a
factory rep flown out to do it...

Robin in Bremerton

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Larry

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Dec 9, 2003, 9:36:27 PM12/9/03
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I believe photo-copiers also do not duplicate certain shades of blue on
purpose.

-Larry

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Robin

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Dec 10, 2003, 12:59:30 AM12/10/03
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Early copiers used a Selenium drum. Selenium has a resitance to the flow of
electrons when in the dark but conducts in the light. But Selenium did not
respond well to the longer length light waves in the blue spectrum. This
resulted in the creation of "non-repo blue" ink. A light shade of blue was
often used to put marks on originals that you did not want to show up when
copied. However newer style photoconductors respond better to blue light so
it is not as effective.

Robin

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Ray R

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Dec 10, 2003, 2:29:16 PM12/10/03
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"Yet Another Mike" <mike...@yahooyahoo.com> wrote in message
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On the US currency it appears to only be series 2004 currency
that is affected. The Canon recognizes it as currency and will
only print a small portion of it. Photoshop comes up with an
error "This application does not support the unauthorized
processing of banknote images." Series 1999 bills has no
such problem.


Markus Kuhn

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Jan 8, 2004, 6:59:19 AM1/8/04
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Ray R wrote:
> As an experiment I tried to copy an print one of the new $20 bills.
> When I tried to print it on my Canon i850 only a small part of it
> would print regardless of the orientation or the size.

I discovered about two years ago a pattern of five little yellow,
green or orange circles that triggers this banknote detection
algorithm and gave a brief talk to our research group about it:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/eurion.pdf

I called it the EURion constellation, because it looks a bit
like Orion (with the belt stars merged) and I first spotted it on
the front side of the 10 euro note, where it is most blatantly
obvious. Other banknote designs hide it a bit better.

Markus

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Markus Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ || CB3 0FD, Great Britain

Amishman35

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Jan 10, 2004, 6:36:20 PM1/10/04
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Let's go further off topic.. Who would you like to see on a banknote or stamp?
Halfbakery.com doesn't allow discussion of this.

I would like to see a banknote with the face of the guy who killed that
pedophile priest in jail.

jane

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Jan 13, 2004, 3:17:43 PM1/13/04
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amish...@aol.com (Amishman35) wrote in message news:<20040110183620...@mb-m18.aol.com>...

according to other sites and forums i visited people have tried
copying US dollars/canadian/euro/monopoly money/etc
surprisingly, everyone has varied success.
one link is on macbytes.com (goes to the MacRumors forums, no
registration necessary) which also links to other sites and pictures.
Some people were successful in scanning in images of currency and
editing them, but it appears that most of the time most people werent.
I believe photoshop looks for a specific thing that bills in a
specific currency have in common.
BUt for those people who need images of currency to use legally, i
believe you can find them on the websites for the department of
treasury for that specific country's currency.
Also, this only happpens with major currency, and especially US
dollars, so pics are on the US treasury site for anyone who needs it.

Ray R

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Jan 13, 2004, 4:27:16 PM1/13/04
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"jane" <jane...@mac.com> wrote in message
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> amish...@aol.com (Amishman35) wrote in message
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> > Let's go further off topic.. Who would you like to see on a banknote or
stamp?
> > Halfbakery.com doesn't allow discussion of this.
> >
> > I would like to see a banknote with the face of the guy who killed that
> > pedophile priest in jail.
>
> according to other sites and forums i visited people have tried
> copying US dollars/canadian/euro/monopoly money/etc
> surprisingly, everyone has varied success.
> one link is on macbytes.com (goes to the MacRumors forums, no
> registration necessary) which also links to other sites and pictures.
> Some people were successful in scanning in images of currency and
> editing them, but it appears that most of the time most people werent.
> I believe photoshop looks for a specific thing that bills in a
> specific currency have in common.

I can scan the new $20. Photoshop will not allow editing it.
Canon i850 will not print it, independent of Photoshop.

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