OpenVMS 9.1 C Compiler

[Andrew Brehm]

I finally found time to install OpenVMS 9.1

I got it to run on vSphere (configuring the serial port in vCenter was annoying) and managed to install OpenSSH.

Then I noticed that while a pascal command exists, cc is missing.

Is a C compiler not done yet? I couldn't find a package.

Or am I overlooking something?

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

It has been said that most compilers still uses cross-compile on IA64.

[Arne Vajhøj]

And while the PASCAL verb is there then the compiler most
likely is not.

Arne

[John Reagan]

There are no native compilers for V9.1. Not even a native Macro.

You need to use cross-compilers that host on Itanium.

The base OS has always included some compiler DCL verbs (goes all the way back to VAX) but the compiler installation would provide a newer version.

We are working on native compilers now but don't have a firm date. For instance, we've been building native pieces of GEM using the cross-compilers.

[Andrew Brehm]

Ouch. I hope for good progress. I don't have a Itanium machine around unfortunately.

[Andrew Brehm]

Too bad. :(

[Arne Vajhøj]

Yes.

The explanation for the verb is here:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/p8O-kaov65g/m/p0vw1AtjAgAJ

Arne

[Mark Daniel]

That casts a shadow over native compilers for V9.1(-A? - due end of this
month?) and further over V9.2 (2021 2nd half - max three months away).

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[Robert A. Brooks]

On 9/23/2021 5:50 PM, Mark Daniel wrote:

> That casts a shadow over native compilers for V9.1(-A? - due end of this month?)
> and further over V9.2 (2021 2nd half - max three months away).

V9.1-A (which should be released in about a week), will definitely not
have native compilers.

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[Andrew Brehm]

On 23/09/2021 23:50, Mark Daniel wrote:
> On 23/9/21 11:02 pm, John Reagan wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 6:04:17 AM UTC-4, Andrew Brehm wrote:
>>> I finally found time to install OpenVMS 9.1
>>>
>>> I got it to run on vSphere (configuring the serial port in vCenter was annoying) and managed to install OpenSSH.
>>>
>>> Then I noticed that while a pascal command exists, cc is missing.
>>>
>>> Is a C compiler not done yet? I couldn't find a package.
>>>
>>> Or am I overlooking something?
>> There are no native compilers for V9.1.  Not even a native Macro.
>>
>> You need to use cross-compilers that host on Itanium.
>>
>> The base OS has always included some compiler DCL verbs (goes all the way back to VAX) but the compiler installation would provide a newer version.
>>
>> We are working on native compilers now but don't have a firm date.  For instance, we've been building native pieces of GEM using the cross-compilers.
>
> That casts a shadow over native compilers for V9.1(-A? - due end of this month?) and further over V9.2 (2021 2nd half - max three months away).
>

Indeed.

Everything else is excusable (no web server, no database server etc.) but an OS must have a shell and a compiler or assembler for some language at a minimum.

I hope 9.2 will be complete.

Other than that I was not too unhappy with 9.1. Installation is quite fluent (even if a bit annoying with the serial connection) and the boot manager is very nice.

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Now... VSI has been *very* clear about the situation around compilers.
I do not understand why you complain about that now or why you expected
anything else than what has been clearly communicated.

[Andrew Brehm]

What complaining?

[Simon Clubley]

You may not have intended it as such, but the above did come across
as complaining about the compiler situation, and for all the policy
communications complaints I have about VSI, they have indeed been
very clear about the compiler situation.

Now perhaps if I ask John how he's getting on with an Ada compiler ? :-)

Simon.

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[Dave Froble]

On 9/24/2021 1:51 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-09-24, Andrew Brehm <and...@netneurotic.net> wrote:
>> On 24/09/2021 15:52, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>> Den 2021-09-24 kl. 14:08, skrev Andrew Brehm:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Everything else is excusable (no web server, no database server etc.) but an OS must have a shell and a compiler or assembler for some language at a minimum.
>>>>
>>>> I hope 9.2 will be complete.
>>>>
>>>> Other than that I was not too unhappy with 9.1. Installation is quite fluent (even if a bit annoying with the serial connection) and the boot manager is very nice.
>>>
>>> Now... VSI has been *very* clear about the situation around compilers.
>>> I do not understand why you complain about that now or why you expected
>>> anything else than what has been clearly communicated.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> What complaining?
>
> You may not have intended it as such, but the above did come across
> as complaining about the compiler situation, and for all the policy
> communications complaints I have about VSI, they have indeed been
> very clear about the compiler situation.
>
> Now perhaps if I ask John how he's getting on with an Ada compiler ? :-)
>
> Simon.
>

Only if you write the question on the back of a $100M bill will he reply ...

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[Bill Gunshannon]

On 9/24/21 5:17 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 9/24/2021 1:51 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2021-09-24, Andrew Brehm <and...@netneurotic.net> wrote:
>>> On 24/09/2021 15:52, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>>> Den 2021-09-24 kl. 14:08, skrev Andrew Brehm:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything else is excusable (no web server, no database server
>>>>> etc.) but an OS must have a shell and a compiler or assembler for
>>>>> some language at a minimum.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope 9.2 will be complete.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than that I was not too unhappy with 9.1. Installation is
>>>>> quite fluent (even if a bit annoying with the serial connection)
>>>>> and the boot manager is very nice.
>>>>
>>>> Now... VSI has been *very* clear about the situation around compilers.
>>>> I do not understand why you complain about that now or why you expected
>>>> anything else than what has been clearly communicated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What complaining?
>>
>> You may not have intended it as such, but the above did come across
>> as complaining about the compiler situation, and for all the policy
>> communications complaints I have about VSI, they have indeed been
>> very clear about the compiler situation.
>>
>> Now perhaps if I ask John how he's getting on with an Ada compiler ? :-)
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>
> Only if you write the question on the back of a $100M bill will he reply
> ...
>

That's not really necessary, The answer is there isn't going
to be one unless ADACore does it and that is hardly likely.

bill

[Dave Froble]

What? You doubt that John would come up with something for a hundred
million? Bet for that much ADAcore would too.

[Bill Gunshannon]

No, I just doubt that anyone is going to come up with even a penny.
Sad, really, when you realize that like many other things Ada got
it's start on VMS which had one of the first validated compilers.
I remember well the work being done on the 11/750 at West Point
and how everyone logged off the machine when the Ada compiler was
in use because it pretty much grinded to a halt. :-)

bill