100+ Alphaserver DS10s incoming and will be cheap

[David Turner]

Was wondering if anyone is interested

We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are
DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them

We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably end
of October if anyone is going to want one

We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
here in the USA

Let me know if interested


David Turner

dturner-at-islandco-dot-com

[Dave Froble]

Interested ...

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: da...@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

[gah4]

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 12:12:12 PM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone is interested

I could be interested, though hopefully a low price.

Since I am a long way away, shipping might be most of the cost.

[robert...@gmail.com]

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 12:12:12 PM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:

Interested as well.

[Dan Engholm]

:raised hand:

[Alan Frisbie]

I certainly am! My XP1000 has reached the point where I'm afraid that
if I just open the case something else will break. It's been running
24/7 for 18 years and the plastic pieces will crumble if you look at
them.

Alan Frisbie

[Steven Schweda]

> Was wondering if anyone is interested

My first reaction was that I don't need more junk in my junk
collection, and, as I recall, memory for the DS10 was more exotic than
for, say, an XP1000, but...

> [...] all have almost new power supplies in them

The same can't be said for my (otherwise adequate) XP1000 collection.

So, depending on the actual cost (and, perhaps, the memory), I might
be interested in one or two.

[John H. Reinhardt]

I may be interested.

Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are? DO they vary or are they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models? Are they consistently configured? That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?

--
John H. Reinhardt

[Ed Rahn]

I may be interested.

[David Turner]

They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2022-08-11 kl. 06:26, skrev David Turner:

> They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations

What does "workstations" imply here?
A DS10 is usually a "server"...

[gah4]

Traditionally workstation means it has video output, and server means it doesn't.

As well as I know, video is on a PCI card.

Also, it seems that they come either IDE or SCSI.

[Richard Reiner]

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 3:12:12 p.m. UTC-4, David Turner wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone is interested

Interested!

[Michael Moroney]

Me2.

"Workstation" in this case probably just means it has a video card. It
may also have a keyboard and mouse however (David?).

[gah4]

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 5:07:40 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:

(snip)

> "Workstation" in this case probably just means it has a video card. It
> may also have a keyboard and mouse however (David?).

As far as I know, the mouse and keyboard port are built-in.
Whether the mouse and keyboard are included, I don't know.

But video board is optional.

[Michael Moroney]

I just reread David's original post and he doesn't mention "workstation"
at all, in fact he calls them servers. I'm not sure where "workstation"
came from. So I'll guess the answer to my question whether they come
with a keyboard and mouse will be no.

Many Alpha systems were PC based and had plugs for a keyboard/mouse
built in so it only took a video board and the external hardware to make
it into a workstation.

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

It is not enough to just read the original post.

At 11 Aug John Reinhardt asked:

"Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are? DO they vary or are
they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models? Are they consistently configured?
That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?"

And David responded same day:

"They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations"

And that was why I posted a question about it...

[VAXman-]

INTERESTED!!!

--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG

I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

[John Wallace]

Thanks for the invite!

Do you have DEC/CPQ part numbers for these boxes ?

*If* these are standard issue DEC/CPQ part numbers, an archived
Quickspec for the DS10 family can currently be found at e.g.

https://www.hpe.com/psnow/doc/c04282775


The reason I say *if* is, if I remember rightly, a substantial number of
Alpha boxes were sold into air traffic control in Europe by DEC's CSS
group, and may not quite match the config of standard DS10 systems +
options.

The ones I was aware of were in Europe - are (some of) these boxes
coming to you from Europe, and if so, is there sufficient interest in
Europe to make special arrangements for your customers in Europe? (ie do
they need to be shipped from Europe to the USA and back again).

Meanwhile, other DS10 documentation (server and workstation) can be
found via e.g.

http://adp.gomtuu.net/compaq/alphaserver_ds10-doc.html

Some folk may even remember Matti Patari's "Golden Eggs" configuration
aids, archives of the DEC-centric stuff (including DS10) can be found
around the interweb.

Depending on the price, I might be interested (hobbyist use).

Enjoy.

[Hans Bachner]

I might be interested depending on shipping cost. How much is shipping
to Europe?

Hans.

[Norbert Schönartz]

I am also interested and located in Germany, so I have the same question.

Norbert

[David Turner]

The workstation simply is a name. The server and workstation is identical
Now typically a workstation would have had the ELSA Gloria or 3DLabs
card and a keyboard+Mouse

I can provide these at extra cost of course
Shipping is getting horrendously expensive. Sometimes Fedex gives us
special rates based on loading that week, so if we tell you
a shipping cost, it is specific to the dat or week quoted

The servers/workstations are

DH-73BAA-AA or DH-74BAA-AA base server
3X-MS310-DA 512MB memory
On Board Dual 10/100
On Board Dual Serial, Parallel, ATAPI
CDROM Full sized

Options we can provide are U2 or U160 SCSI controller, 1GB Ethernet


These are good old bog-standard DS10s . We are still trying to arrange
collection from our source. Getting a lot of hell
from shipping companies not wanting to quote less than a container so we
will keep you all posted

David

On 8/14/2022 1:28 AM, gah4 wrote:

[gah4]

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 2:53:55 AM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:

(snip)

> I can provide these at extra cost of course
> Shipping is getting horrendously expensive. Sometimes Fedex gives us
> special rates based on loading that week, so if we tell you
> a shipping cost, it is specific to the dat or week quoted

It seems that shipping companies are using a fuel surcharge based on the
weekly fuel cost. If fuel prices keep going down, shipping might also.

[David Turner]

In the perfect world yes
But remember these companies claim they hedge their purchases for fuel
months in advance
I call BS but that is their claim. I have never seen a fuel surcharge go
down. Only up

;0(

DT

[gah4]

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 6:21:53 PM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
> In the perfect world yes
> But remember these companies claim they hedge their purchases for fuel
> months in advance
> I call BS but that is their claim. I have never seen a fuel surcharge go
> down. Only up

This one:

https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/fuel-surcharge.html

is supposed to explain how FedEx does it.

[Simon Clubley]

On 2022-08-17, David Turner <dtu...@islandco.com> wrote:
> In the perfect world yes
> But remember these companies claim they hedge their purchases for fuel
> months in advance
> I call BS but that is their claim. I have never seen a fuel surcharge go
> down. Only up
>

When x86-64 VMS becomes fully available and is considered trustworthy
enough for production use do you think there is still going to be a viable
market for the hardware you sell ?

Just wondering if you have any insights into how many people are planning
to move to x86-64 VMS when it becomes fully available.

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 8/18/22 08:10, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2022-08-17, David Turner <dtu...@islandco.com> wrote:
>> In the perfect world yes
>> But remember these companies claim they hedge their purchases for fuel
>> months in advance
>> I call BS but that is their claim. I have never seen a fuel surcharge go
>> down. Only up
>>
>
> When x86-64 VMS becomes fully available and is considered trustworthy
> enough for production use do you think there is still going to be a viable
> market for the hardware you sell ?

You know, I was wondering the same thing. Another side-effect of
progress. Is it time to consider retirement?

bill

[abrsvc]

Considering that there is still a market for VAX hardware (albeit small), I would think that there will be a market for Alpha and Itanium hardware for quite a while. There are often reasons for staying with hardware most often due to interface requirements. I am aware of some sites that have real VAX hardware tied to emulated Alpha systems today because of specialized interfaces in the VAX systems that aren't easy to replace. Attempts to "upgrade" to other options thus far have failed to be anywhere near as reliable as the VAX solution.

Dan

[Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)]

In article <tdla7f$117ie$1...@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley

<clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:

> When x86-64 VMS becomes fully available and is considered trustworthy
> enough for production use do you think there is still going to be a viable
> market for the hardware you sell ?
>

> Just wondering if you have any insights into how many people are planning
> to move to x86-64 VMS when it becomes fully available.

My guess: many with perpetual Alpha licenses will stick with Alpha
instead of moving to x86. VSI is shooting itself in the foot big time
here. Even HOBBYISTS are sticking with Alpha because of the license
issue. (Yes, the hobbyist licenses always expired, but on other
platforms there was always the fallback solution of buying a commercial
license.)

I would be happy to pay a substantial sum for a non-expiring x86
license, at least when it runs on bare metal, replacement hardware can
be found quickly and cheaply, and compilers are good.

Yes, x86 is much faster. But emulated Alpha is probably faster than the
original hardware and will become faster in the future.

[David Turner]

Well, we are in the August slow down right now so asking me now is
probably not realistic
Many customers of mine are not going to VSI. For pricing, and the fact
that they are going to need to do a lot more work to get their applications
running on x86 variant of OpenVMS.
Also, a lot of people we deal with have trust issues with x86 hardware.
I don't know if VSI is going to support some of the older SCSI products
(*not SAS) as I have NOT had a response from VSI to actually test 9.2
natively on one of our Proliant DL380 Gen10

Would be curious if anyone knows if any of the Virtual machines support
SCSI adapters...
Also, many customers use C++ and BASIC. These are not yet ported so....

We are noticing that customers tend to buy a production server and spare
together. Most are worried about availability of hardware...

The license issue is definitely an issue too. The whole idea about an OS
not working after a time-fixed license expires is more than unnerving to
most of the people I have talked with.....


DT

[Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)]

In article <hradnfNXzdbSIWL_...@supernews.com>, David

Turner <dtu...@islandco.com> writes:

> The license issue is definitely an issue too. The whole idea about an OS
> not working after a time-fixed license expires is more than unnerving to
> most of the people I have talked with.....

Maybe VSI will wake up.

[Simon Clubley]

I would hope so.

This no longer people here on comp.os.vms saying these things. These are
real paying customers of David's that he directly interacts with and which
VSI would love to turn into _their_ customers instead if they could.

[Dave Froble]

On 8/19/2022 12:38 PM, David Turner wrote:
> Well, we are in the August slow down right now so asking me now is probably not
> realistic
> Many customers of mine are not going to VSI. For pricing, and the fact that they
> are going to need to do a lot more work to get their applications
> running on x86 variant of OpenVMS.

Not sure what the pricing problem is?

As in the past, I'm expecting compile, link, and run.

> Also, a lot of people we deal with have trust issues with x86 hardware.

HW is HW, none are totally safe.

> I don't know if VSI is going to support some of the older SCSI products (*not
> SAS) as I have NOT had a response from VSI to actually test 9.2 natively on one
> of our Proliant DL380 Gen10

I don't see the issue. New systems will have whatever disks are appropriate.

> Would be curious if anyone knows if any of the Virtual machines support SCSI
> adapters...
> Also, many customers use C++ and BASIC. These are not yet ported so....
>
> We are noticing that customers tend to buy a production server and spare
> together. Most are worried about availability of hardware...

Should not be an issue with x86.

> The license issue is definitely an issue too. The whole idea about an OS not
> working after a time-fixed license expires is more than unnerving to most of the
> people I have talked with.....
>
>
> DT

Compilers: I have faith in John and his lads & lasses. Might take some time.

Licenses:

Ok, here is how things will play out.

1) VSI listens to the potential customers. They should provide perpetual
licenses, and the customers will agree to maintain a reasonable support contract
as long as VSI is in business and they use VMS for commercial use.

2) VSI doesn't listen to the potential customers, and VMS and VSI die. They
might linger for a while. But it is entirely unreasonable for a customer to
be left hanging if VSI isn't around.

So, the initiative will first be with the potential customers to inform VSI what
is acceptable, and then with VSI to conform, or not.

We at Consolidated Data were very clear about the choices. We would get what we
needed, or, would not move to x86. All customers need to be firm about this.

Basically, every potential customer should inform VSI of their requirements, and
leave contact information. If VSI will conform, they will get the customers.
What should NOT happen is customers just not like what they are hearing and
quietly go away. Strongly inform VSI of the requirements.

Frankly, I don't expect VSI to commit suicide. Could be wrong. But it doesn't
make any sense. Guess we'll see when x86 is ready for prime time, and that
means native compilers.

At least that's how I see things.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: da...@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

[Craig A. Berry]

On 8/19/22 11:38 AM, David Turner wrote:

> Would be curious if anyone knows if any of the Virtual machines support
> SCSI adapters...

The 9.2 release notes:

https://vmssoftware.com/docs/VSI_OpenVMS_x86-64_V92_Release_Notes.pdf

say:

-----
1.1. Supported Disk Types
VSI OpenVMS x86-64 V9.2 supports SATA disks.
An issue with OpenVMS x86-64 V9.2 prevents support for LSI Logic
Parallel SCSI controllers on ESXi. A fix for this issue is expected to
be available shortly after the release of VSI OpenVMS x86-64 V9.2.
Support for other disk types will be added in future releases of VSI
OpenVMS x86-64.
-----

So, like a lot of other important things, not yet.

[Simon Clubley]

On 2022-08-19, Dave Froble <da...@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
> On 8/19/2022 12:38 PM, David Turner wrote:
>> Well, we are in the August slow down right now so asking me now is probably not
>> realistic
>> Many customers of mine are not going to VSI. For pricing, and the fact that they
>> are going to need to do a lot more work to get their applications
>> running on x86 variant of OpenVMS.
>
> Not sure what the pricing problem is?
>

I wonder if it's a reference to licence pricing ?

> As in the past, I'm expecting compile, link, and run.
>
>> Also, a lot of people we deal with have trust issues with x86 hardware.
>
> HW is HW, none are totally safe.
>

Due to all the management stuff going into some hardware, and which
operates at a level below that of even the operating system, some
hardware is far less secure than other hardware.

>
> So, the initiative will first be with the potential customers to inform VSI what
> is acceptable, and then with VSI to conform, or not.
>

Just in case you have forgotten, the French have already tried this.
We know the VSI response to that attempt because it's now a matter
of public record.

[Dave Froble]

On 8/22/2022 1:31 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2022-08-19, Dave Froble <da...@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>> On 8/19/2022 12:38 PM, David Turner wrote:
>>> Well, we are in the August slow down right now so asking me now is probably not
>>> realistic
>>> Many customers of mine are not going to VSI. For pricing, and the fact that they
>>> are going to need to do a lot more work to get their applications
>>> running on x86 variant of OpenVMS.
>>
>> Not sure what the pricing problem is?
>>
>
> I wonder if it's a reference to licence pricing ?
>
>> As in the past, I'm expecting compile, link, and run.
>>
>>> Also, a lot of people we deal with have trust issues with x86 hardware.
>>
>> HW is HW, none are totally safe.
>>
>
> Due to all the management stuff going into some hardware, and which
> operates at a level below that of even the operating system, some
> hardware is far less secure than other hardware.

What choice is there anymore. At some time, the last Alpha will die. At some
time, the last itanic will sink.

>> So, the initiative will first be with the potential customers to inform VSI what
>> is acceptable, and then with VSI to conform, or not.
>>
>
> Just in case you have forgotten, the French have already tried this.
> We know the VSI response to that attempt because it's now a matter
> of public record.
>
> Simon.
>

I am aware that the French aren't happy. I'm not aware of a specific VSI response.

As I mentioned, my people are NOT moving to x86 unless the terms are to our
liking. If enough potential customers take this stance, what do you think VSI
will do?

[David Rosenberger]

Hi David,
I would happily take one (or two) off your hands. My AXP3000 could use the company.

[Simon Clubley]

On 2022-08-22, Dave Froble <da...@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
> On 8/22/2022 1:31 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2022-08-19, Dave Froble <da...@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/19/2022 12:38 PM, David Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, a lot of people we deal with have trust issues with x86 hardware.
>>>
>>> HW is HW, none are totally safe.
>>>
>>
>> Due to all the management stuff going into some hardware, and which
>> operates at a level below that of even the operating system, some
>> hardware is far less secure than other hardware.
>
> What choice is there anymore. At some time, the last Alpha will die. At some
> time, the last itanic will sink.
>

AMD _appears_ to be a little bit better than Intel (but only a bit better).

Other operating systems also have hardware options not available to VMS.

>>> So, the initiative will first be with the potential customers to inform VSI what
>>> is acceptable, and then with VSI to conform, or not.
>>>
>>
>> Just in case you have forgotten, the French have already tried this.
>> We know the VSI response to that attempt because it's now a matter
>> of public record.
>>
>

> I am aware that the French aren't happy. I'm not aware of a specific VSI response.
>

First formal response I am aware of:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/cOOF2x1LPX8
https://www.connect-community.de/SIGs/OpenVMS/license

A brief later response (which also includes answers to a lot of other issues):

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/NNb9TbgE_K0
https://www.vmsgenerations.fr/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Questions-from-VMSgenerations-Answers-from-VSI.pdf

> As I mentioned, my people are NOT moving to x86 unless the terms are to our
> liking. If enough potential customers take this stance, what do you think VSI
> will do?
>

Right now they appear to be very bloody-minded about the whole thing. :-(

[David Turner]

According to my source for these, they are on a container ship right now
on the Pacific headed to the USA
I will update you all when I get the call from the logistics company in
Savannah

[gah4]

On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 3:38:11 PM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
> According to my source for these, they are on a container ship right now
> on the Pacific headed to the USA

I hope they don't sink:

https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/felicity-ace-sank-porsche-lamborghini-10000-feet-under-sea-vw/

[Rich Jordan]

I missed this thread earlier. My DS10 is actually a 466Mhz DS10-L mainboard transplanted into a DS10 case with DS10 riser (the DS10 mainboard failed badly), and an Islandco power supply. It works fine except that it won't support the higher end video cards (machine just locks up and fails post). Gig card and KZPEA cards, no problem, but I'd like to get a purpose made DS10 that will support the 4D20 or Powerstorm 300 PCI card.

Looking forward to your post and pricing.

[David Turner]

Just update firmware to 7.3-1 (firmware not VMS)
That updates the board

Also to convert the DS10L to DS10 motherboard - call me and i will send
instructions

Also people. I got a confirmation the servers are definitely on the high
seas on their way to us in Savannah
So sometime before Xmas I was told they will arrive here. Once they get
here, we will have to pay import duty and fees, shipping clearance etc.
We will simply divide the total by the number of servers (minus about
10% for failures) and then we will have our cost.
Then we will price the servers according to that.  I am guessing
something like $400 each but maybe less

[David Rosenberger]

D. Turner,
I am in for two at your most recent estimate, fully appreciating it is ballpark. If you know the vessel name, would you mind posting it? @gah4 seems especially concerned, but there are probably others interested in tracking.

[gah4]

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 6:29:34 AM UTC-7, davidj.ro...@gmail.com wrote:
(snip)

> If you know the vessel name, would you mind posting it?

> @gah4 seems especially concerned, but there are probably others interested in tracking.

We had ordered a car, though coming from Asia, at that time.

But sinking cargo we don't think much about now.

[Single Stage to Orbit]

On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:51 -0700, gah4 wrote:
>  > If you know the vessel name, would you mind posting it?
>
> > @gah4 seems especially concerned, but there are probably others
> > interested in tracking.
>
> We had ordered a car, though coming from Asia, at that time.
>
> But sinking cargo we don't think much about now.

It's estimated 10% of the world's cargo is lost at sea. Either through
carelessness or piracy it doesn't sasy.
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

[Dave Froble]

On 5/1/2023 6:41 AM, Gary Sparkes wrote:
> Not sure if any of these are left or still there, but would be interested as well....
>

You can go to David's web site and order one, or two, or ...

Look for Island Computers.

[David Turner]

We still have 60+ Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz left in stock


Link:


https://www.islandco.com/hp-alphaserver/hp-alphaserver-ds10/alphaserver-ds10-600mhz-special-cto-server

[David Turner]

On 10/25/2022 9:29 AM, David Rosenberger wrote:

D. Turner,
I am in for two at your most recent estimate, fully appreciating it is ballpark. If you know the vessel name, would you mind posting it? @gah4 seems especially concerned, but there are probably others interested in tracking.

Did you ever buy these? - They have been here for quite a while now

Anyone who got one - we would love to see a posted review

David

Island Computers

[Simon Clubley]

Interesting that you still have that number left. IIRC, in the old days,
your Alpha systems used to be sold rather quickly. Has there been a move
to Itanium systems or to Alpha emulators ?

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2023-05-02 kl. 19:31, skrev Simon Clubley:
> On 2023-05-02, David Turner <dtu...@islandco.com> wrote:
>> We still have 60+ Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz left in stock
>>
>>
>> Link:
>>
>>
>> https://www.islandco.com/hp-alphaserver/hp-alphaserver-ds10/alphaserver-ds10-600mhz-special-cto-server
>>
>
> Interesting that you still have that number left. IIRC, in the old days,
> your Alpha systems used to be sold rather quickly. Has there been a move
> to Itanium systems or to Alpha emulators ?
>
> Simon.
>

According to a friend that deals with older equipment
in Sweden, it was the DS15/DS25 systems that was really
looked for and was (this was a couple of years ago)
priced "very well", so to speak.

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 5/2/2023 1:31 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-05-02, David Turner <dtu...@islandco.com> wrote:
>> We still have 60+ Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz left in stock
>>
>> Link:
>>
>> https://www.islandco.com/hp-alphaserver/hp-alphaserver-ds10/alphaserver-ds10-600mhz-special-cto-server
>
> Interesting that you still have that number left. IIRC, in the old days,
> your Alpha systems used to be sold rather quickly. Has there been a move
> to Itanium systems or to Alpha emulators ?

For professional usage then these systems are not very attractive. They
are approx. 20 years old and noone wants to bet production on 20 year
old HW if they have any alternatives.

Alternatives:
- buy DS15/DS25/ES45 instead of DS10/DS20/ES40 as they are a few years
younger and a bit faster
- migrate to Itanium and HW that are a lot faster and only about 10
years old
- migrate to an Alpha emulator that will run on brand new HW and
if one is willing to pay for JIT version should also be faster
- migrate off VMS

And hobbyists are very much focused on x86-64 right now.

Arne

[David Turner]

Well we have sold 50+ of them
Thing is, the commercial systems are selling better than hobbyists systems.
The commercial system we install a brand new Island power supply so that
will make them last considerably longe
The DS15s are being scooped up globally by HPE for their major customer,
DOW Chemicals.
Strangely, they were running an Emulator, but seem to be reverting back
to the real Alpha

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2023-05-03 kl. 05:31, skrev David Turner:


> The DS15s are being scooped up globally by HPE for their major customer,
> DOW Chemicals.

Actually, I was told the same from an VSI representative 1-2 years ago.
That DOW took whatever they could find of the DS15s...

[Arne Vajhøj]

So HPE sales people have two standard phrases ready:

"No mr. M$ company - we no longer sell VMS systems"

"Yes mr. B$ company - we will get you the VMS systems you need"

:-)

I hope VSI get paid for support contract on everyone of those
systems.

Arne

[Pizza RAC]

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 4:04:59 AM UTC-4, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2022-08-11 kl. 06:26, skrev David Turner:
>
> > They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations
> What does "workstations" imply here?
> A DS10 is usually a "server"...

it implies they can be used as a workstation. I put 32 of these out in the field at my former job as workstations.
They had a VT320 or 420 as a console. I ran DECNET Phase IV over IP as a connection and transferred accounting data and accounting
program changes over the internet. I could log on instantly to any location across the country. What a setup. Worked beautifully.

[Timothy Stark]

I am interested but need to know how much it costs for...

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 3:20 PM David Turner via Info-vax <info...@rbnsn.com>

wrote:

> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>
> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are
> DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>
> We are waiting for a shipping quote and they will be here probably end
> of October if anyone is going to want one
>
> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
> here in the USA
>
> Let me know if interested
>
>
> David Turner
>
> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>

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[David Turner]

Shipping to EU now with our new discounts is about $250 for the DS10 or
a DS15



On 8/16/2022 5:14 PM, Hans Bachner wrote:
> David Turner schrieb am 11.08.2022 um 06:26:
>> On 8/10/2022 9:18 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:

>>> On 8/8/2022 2:12 PM, David Turner wrote:
>>>> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>>>>
>>>> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers,
>>>> which are DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
>>>> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>>>>
>>>> We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably
>>>> end of October if anyone is going to want one
>>>>
>>>> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose
>>>> over here in the USA
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if interested
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Turner
>>>>
>>>> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>>>>
>>>

>>> I may be interested.
>>>
>>> Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are?  DO they vary or
>>> are they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models?  Are they consistently
>>> configured?  That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?

> >
> >
> > They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations
>

> I might be interested depending on shipping cost. How much is shipping
> to Europe?
>
> Hans.

[John Dallman]

In article <dMydnTbPKLcBSMz5...@supernews.com>,

dtu...@islandco.com (David Turner) wrote:

> The DS15s are being scooped up globally by HPE for their major
> customer, DOW Chemicals.

Had a vaguely similar case about 2005. We had a bunch of HP9000 systems
(PA-RISC running HP-UX) that were useful for software testing: they
trapped on various conditions more reliably than other platforms. The UK
dealer who'd been supplying their maintenance and knew what we had
offered to swap them 1:1 for faster models, free of charge, fully
reconditioned, with five years of maintenance thrown in.

Obviously, this looked too good a deal. What was the catch? He insisted
there wasn't one, but was vague about why he was doing it. We gradually
got information about who he was going to sell them to. I called them up
and asked for the IT department. "We don't have one any more, IBM do it
all."

It emerged they sold big industrial HVAC systems that used HP9000s as
controllers. IBM knew nothing about those machines, and would pay very
highly for ones of the right model. They were all very compatible, but
IBM were not putting any resources into finding that out.

John

[David Wade]

On 03/05/2023 18:54, David Turner wrote:
> Shipping to EU now with our new discounts is about $250 for the DS10 or
> a DS15
>

When I priced this it came out at around $1000 for system with minimal
licences. Is this about right?

[Andy Burns]

John Dallman wrote:

> It emerged they sold big industrial HVAC systems that used HP9000s as
> controllers. IBM knew nothing about those machines, and would pay very
> highly for ones of the right model.

I chucked out a 9000/800-F10, one of the densest servers I ever had to
lift ...

[David Turner]

About right with NO licenses

[David Turner]

We still have around 50

[Volker N. Englisch]

I'd be interested in one of them - still I guess the shipping to
Germany is unaffordable... :-(

[David Wade]

On 22/05/2023 19:09, Volker N. Englisch wrote:
> I'd be interested in one of them - still I guess the shipping to
> Germany is unaffordable... :-(
>

look back. I think about $1k in total. web site will calculate shipping