HP Discover2012 Frankfurt online access

[Keith Parris]

HP Discover2012 is going on in Frankfurt this week.

Not able to make it to Frankfurt? No problem. It's possible to gain free
access to HP Discover2012 keynotes and breakout sessions online. See
http://customer.hp.com/w/webView?cid=19835575940&mid=1012471772&pid=1982560&vid=13597&ee=a2VpdGgucGFycmlzQGhwLmNvbQ__&si=&mv=H&bv=H&oc=N&sc=&k=yMHVS

[MG]

Will there be anything about VMS? I didn't see anything about VMS
in the 'agendas' and 'schedules' I saw on the site, a few weeks ago.
(I naturally primarily searched for the official name, "OpenVMS".)

- MG

[Marc Van Dyck]

MG explained :

There is indeed nothing about OpenVMS in the agenda of HP
Discover 2012. Nothing at all. Last year, in Vienna, there was only
one session, a customer testimonial, organized by the local Openvms
Ambassador in Belgium. This year it appears that nobody took over.

--
Marc Van Dyck

[Keith Parris]

On 12/3/2012 1:24 PM, MG wrote:
> Will there be anything about VMS?

I found this in the Session Catalogue at
https://h30550.www3.hp.com/scheduler/catalog.do?searchTop=1 by searching
for items containing OpenVMS in the Abstract:

Track: Converged infrastructure

Subtrack: Mission-Critical Systems

Session ID: BB2174

Title: Strategy Session: Extending and expanding your full
mission-critical experience

Learn directly from the HP Senior Vice President responsible for
mission-critical computing the latest news on how HP and partners are
expanding mission-critical computing. HP has a breakthrough strategy
that provides a complete, integrated mission-critical experience for
customers with established environments (HP-UX, NonStop & OpenVMS) as
well as emerging Windows and Linux mission-critical environments, based
on x86. See what is new with Project Odyssey in both Integrity and x86
environments.

Session Type: Business Breakout

Breakout Speakers:
Ric Lewis
Vice President - Business Critical Systems

Looks like you can view live streaming video of the session at
http://h30614.www3.hp.com/Discover/MyEvent/SessionDetail/88 and create a
calendar reminder at
http://h30614.www3.hp.com/Discover/MyEvent/iCalForSessionTime/89 and the
session is scheduled for Dec. 4 at 10:00 Central European Time (4 AM
Eastern Standard Time here in the US).

[Stephen Hoffman]

On 2012-12-03 21:09:49 +0000, Keith Parris said:

> Subtrack: Mission-Critical Systems
>
> Session ID: BB2174
>
> Title: Strategy Session: Extending and expanding your full
> mission-critical experience
>
> Learn directly from the HP Senior Vice President responsible for
> mission-critical computing the latest news on how HP and partners are
> expanding mission-critical computing. HP has a breakthrough strategy
> that provides a complete, integrated mission-critical experience for
> customers with established environments (HP-UX, NonStop & OpenVMS) as
> well as emerging Windows and Linux mission-critical environments, based
> on x86. See what is new with Project Odyssey in both Integrity and x86
> environments.

Y'all nearly tied the world record of seven uses of "Mission-Critical"
in a single session description. :-)

--
Pure Personal Opinion | HoffmanLabs LLC

[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

Keith Parris wrote 2012-12-03 22:09:
> On 12/3/2012 1:24 PM, MG wrote:
>> Will there be anything about VMS?
>
> I found this in the Session Catalogue at
> https://h30550.www3.hp.com/scheduler/catalog.do?searchTop=1 by searching
> for items containing OpenVMS in the Abstract:

Yes, I found that single one also.

But what *realy* pissed me off, was that I could not today, in 2012
and on a site from one of the best IT companies in the history (OK,
I made that up), enter my last name using the correct spelling...

Regards,
Jan-Erik Söderholm (or Soderholm as HP insist it should be).

[VAXman-]

I searched for its pronounced name, VMS, and found nothing.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG

Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

[MG]

On 3-dec-2012 22:09, Keith Parris wrote:
> HP has a breakthrough strategy that provides a complete, integrated
> mission-critical experience for customers with established environments
> (HP-UX, NonStop & OpenVMS)

It's certainly always nice to see VMS, at best, making it at the end
of a summation or list.

Also, is it truly about VMS or is it about "BCS" or "Integrity"? (In
the light of my original question.) Because, the description continues
with this:

> well as emerging Windows and Linux mission-critical environments, based
> on x86. See what is new with Project Odyssey in both Integrity and x86
> environments.

"Emerging"... Well, I'm usually more optimistic, but I think I know
enough.

- MG

[Ian Miller]

AVTware virtual VAX and Alpha on HP Discover 2012, Frankfurt. Kiosk 817

[MG]

On 4-dec-2012 14:09, Ian Miller wrote:
> AVTware virtual VAX and Alpha on HP Discover 2012, Frankfurt.
> Kiosk 817

Actually, is that good news for VMS, I wonder? It sounds like a
migration path to me. Also, is AVTware solely targetting VMS or
is it also for Ultrix and Digital/Tru64 UNIX? Also, what kind
of impression would it give that one of the few things about VMS
at an HP event is organized by someone other than HP?

Wouldn't it be more in the best interest of VMS, that there's a
strong and well-maintained (and even marketed) native platform?

The number of mildly, *indirectly* at best, VMS-related 'items'
at this event is two at the moment. That's quite meager, would
you not agree?

- MG

[Michael Kraemer]

In article <50bdfc72$0$3185$e4fe...@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl>, MG

<marc...@SPAMxs4all.nl> writes:
> On 4-dec-2012 14:09, Ian Miller wrote:
> > AVTware virtual VAX and Alpha on HP Discover 2012, Frankfurt.
> > Kiosk 817
>
> Actually, is that good news for VMS, I wonder? It sounds like a
> migration path to me. Also, is AVTware solely targetting VMS or
> is it also for Ultrix and Digital/Tru64 UNIX?

Probably not.
But maybe they plan a surprise, e.g. the announcement of the long overdue
upgrade to the venerable DECstation 5000-260?
Perhaps a 5000-280, powered by a R10000 or better, with oodles of RAM
and shiny new Ultrix 5.0?

[Keith Parris]

On 12/3/2012 2:09 PM, Keith Parris wrote:
> Session ID: BB2174
>
> Title: Strategy Session: Extending and expanding your full
> mission-critical experience

The video is now available for viewing online at
http://h30614.www3.hp.com/Discover/MyEvent/session/BB2174 (registration
is required, but is free)

[VAXman-]

Strategy Session: Eliminate downtime for your UNIX, Windows and Linux
applications with HP's mission-critical market leading Pr...?

I couldn't find a "V" anywhere in that... there was an "M" and an "S"
appearing several times.

[MG]

On 5-dec-2012 15:21, Keith Parris wrote:
> The video is now available for viewing online at
> http://h30614.www3.hp.com/Discover/MyEvent/session/BB2174 (registration
> is required, but is free)

What is the reasoning behind that? Wouldn't it be in HP's best
interest that these videos are viewable hassle-free? To me it's
almost like having to register to view a commercial.

How often is VMS mentioned? I'm asking because, since I can't
log in with my existing "HP Passport" thing, I'm busy and I do
not feel like registering if VMS is only mentioned one or at
most a handful of times, in indirect references.

- MG

[Stephen Hoffman]

"Free" as in no cash. You "pay" with your name, title, position, email
address, company mailing address, title and phone.

Oddly, you can't use an existing HP "single sign-on" login. Not sure why.

HP didn't ask for a Facebook or Twitter login or other social
networking credentials, though.

[Stephen Hoffman]

On 2012-12-05 14:21:41 +0000, Keith Parris said:

> The video is now available for viewing online at
> http://h30614.www3.hp.com/Discover/MyEvent/session/BB2174 (registration
> is required, but is free)

The BB2174 video is available in Adobe Flash only. No HTML5.

Interestingly, if you miss or skip a required field (and they're almost
all required), then the form resets to having both "contact me" and
"don't contact me" radio buttons checked, too.

[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

On that page there is the text below:

"Family guide: HP Integrity Systems. Our new lineup of Integrity
systems blends HP BladeSystem efficiency with HP Integrity resiliency.
To maximize longevity and protect your investment, we have designed
these servers to support the next three generations
of IntelŽ ItaniumŽ processors"

And then a link to a PDF. In the PDF there are specs for the "i4"
blades and servers (Poulson). Now, these "next three generations"
would then relate to Pulson, not?

Jan-Erik.

[VAXman-]

Assuming they did, what about those of us who do _NOT_ possess credentials
for these abject wastes of human endeavour?

Some time ago, a site forced entry of a mobile phone number. After hitting
Google to determine a legitimate mobile-phone only area code and exchange,
I was able to makeup the last 4 digits to get passed that requirement. I'm
wondering whose number I managed to conjure up and whether they were called.
Assumptions that everyone has jumped on the bandwagon of these 21st century
"technologies" is wrong. I don't want to be a face on Facebook or a twit on
Twitter, and I hate the phone!

[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

MG wrote 2012-12-05 16:37:

>
> How often is VMS mentioned?

A handfull of times. Even has one slide of it's own! :-)

The presenter said while that slide was up (as I remember it):

"We are not activily getting new OpenVMS customers, even
if we do get some now and then anyway."

"Very loyal and stable customer base for OpenVMS"

Or something like that...

Jan-Erik.

[Stephen Hoffman]

On 2012-12-05 16:21:13 +0000, Stephen Hoffman said:

> On 2012-12-05 14:21:41 +0000, Keith Parris said:
>
>> The video is now available for viewing online at
>> http://h30614.www3.hp.com/Discover/MyEvent/session/BB2174 (registration
>> is required, but is free)

OK. So I've downloaded and installed the Adobe Flash Player.

After a five or ten minute shuffle trying to get this to work, and
having dad to create a second account to get logged in due to "fun"
with the passwords, the video is now loading.

Things gleaned from the video:

Martin Fink is now HP CTO.

They're playing a video overview of BCS.

Extremely high-level session.

Diagram shows a much larger role for x86 than EPIC/RISC going forward.
(Oddly, the speaker didn't mention "Itanium")

High-level discussions of Poulson. Only software listed is UX. "Up to
3x" performance improvement claimed. TCO savings of 33%. Updated UX
to support 256-core configurations.

Intel video. This one is for Poulson, with a very high-level overview
of the Itanium 9500 series.

Electrical hard partitioning (nPars) available in i4-class blades.
Added Poulson-related features and updates with UX.

Global single instance of SAP for Merck.

Kittson mentioned. "Regular updates and continued innovation". No
details on that, though.

26:30 "Most of the R&D engineers in my organization are working on
this [bringing mission-critical x86 Servers] right now. There was
quite a few finishing up Poulson. Now they're not. They're working on
this as well. So we're full-speed ahead on this."

Moving software capabilities into something akin to mission-critical
firmware, and out of software such as HP-UX. For things that stay, HP
is working with Windows and Linux vendors, adding calls and hooks into
these features.

The existing ProLiant DL980 already has mission-critical features.
Dual-chip DRAM spares, etc.

Brief mention (no details) of the HydraLynx 2-4-6-socket blade, and
DragonHawk SD replacement.

Serviceguard for Linux provides Clustering, disaster-tolerance; based on UX.

Another mention of the ProLiant DL980. If you're on the road for
mission-critical x86, "DL980 is a good option, and we'll have more
options in about a year from how."

Another mention DL980.

If you want to stick with what we (you) have (with Integrity), great...

HP is headed to a place of customer choice, and not forcing them to do
anything. HP claims it is trying to provide open and converged
mission-critical and is "on your side", where IBM is "proprietary and
silo" with x86 as the platform of last resort, and Oracle is "locked in
approach" with "prescriptive and pre-engineered stacks limiting
flexibility"

Oh; look; it's a QR code.

Surprisingly few mentions of "Itanium" in the presentation, other than
in the Intel video. "Integrity" and "EPIC/RISC" appear to be the terms
in use for these servers and products, in the HP presentation and
slides.

Ok; signed out. Adobe Flash Player is deinstalled. I'd forgotten how
much the Adobe Flash Player package physically warms the system, too.
Back to work.


OpenVMS Summary:

Mentions of OpenVMS in the presentation: 6

1: what Integrity boxes does OpenVMS runs on
2: showed in an OS diagram with the other EPIC/RISC operating systems;
the "established mission-critical product line" and the lead-in to the
new "dual" strategy with Project Odyssey.
3: OpenVMS as a "future" for i4
4: In a comment: Non-Stop is growing and (by its omission) OpenVMS
apparently isn't. NonStop: "A healthy, growing part of our product
line"
5: 25:30 to 26:00 an OpenVMS slide. "We sometimes love to
affectionately refer to OpenVMS as 'the original mission critical
operating system'". "We aren't actively pursuing a lot of new
customers, but we have some". And we make sure we take care of the
ones we have, because they're extremely loyal." Keeping customer happy
through updates. Working on Poulson support. No particular details.
6: repeat of the list of Integrity operating systems.

[Paul Sture]

In article <00ACB66D...@SendSpamHere.ORG>,

VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:

> In article <k9nrol$tsi$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman
> <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
> >On 2012-12-05 14:21:41 +0000, Keith Parris said:
> >
> >> On 12/3/2012 2:09 PM, Keith Parris wrote:
> >>> Session ID: BB2174
> >>>
> >>> Title: Strategy Session: Extending and expanding your full
> >>> mission-critical experience
> >>
> >> The video is now available for viewing online at
> >> http://h30614.www3.hp.com/Discover/MyEvent/session/BB2174 (registration
> >> is required, but is free)
> >
> >"Free" as in no cash. You "pay" with your name, title, position, email
> >address, company mailing address, title and phone.
> >
> >Oddly, you can't use an existing HP "single sign-on" login. Not sure why.
> >
> >HP didn't ask for a Facebook or Twitter login or other social
> >networking credentials, though.
>
> Assuming they did, what about those of us who do _NOT_ possess credentials
> for these abject wastes of human endeavour?

I came across a site just the other day that did want one of those, but
fortunately they had another method for getting at the info I wanted.

It still left me with a bad taste.

> Some time ago, a site forced entry of a mobile phone number. After hitting
> Google to determine a legitimate mobile-phone only area code and exchange,
> I was able to makeup the last 4 digits to get passed that requirement. I'm
> wondering whose number I managed to conjure up and whether they were called.
> Assumptions that everyone has jumped on the bandwagon of these 21st century
> "technologies" is wrong. I don't want to be a face on Facebook or a twit on
> Twitter, and I hate the phone!

I hate the phone too (although having seen a friend login to his servers
from his iPhone to field an evening support call I was impressed by
that).

Several years ago I bought a locked mobile phone, but since it was with
the same telco as my old phone I could carry on with the old SIM card
and pop the new one into a drawer. Therefore I have a spare and valid
number.

--
Paul Sture

Q: pleasecanyoufixmyspacebar?
A: myspaceisdeadyouneedtotryfacebook

[MG]

On 5-dec-2012 19:36, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
> OK. So I've downloaded and installed the Adobe Flash Player.

Thank you very much for going through all the trouble!


> OpenVMS Summary:
>
> [...]

>
> 4: In a comment: Non-Stop is growing and (by its omission)OpenVMS
> apparently isn't. NonStop: "A healthy, growing part of our product
> line"

Strange, one would think (or I, anyway, thought) that NonStop is at
least as much a niche and in roughly the same position... At least
with VMS, one can explore and evaluate it through the Hobbyist and
Educational Programs, with NonStop that's not possible.

> 5: 25:30 to 26:00 an OpenVMS slide. "We sometimes love to
> affectionately refer to OpenVMS as 'the original mission critical
> operating system'". "We aren't actively pursuing a lot of new
> customers, but we have some".

Great... (But, nothing new, I guess.)

- MG

[Paul Sture]

In article <k9o480$kgq$1...@dont-email.me>,

Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote:

> On 2012-12-05 16:21:13 +0000, Stephen Hoffman said:
>
> > On 2012-12-05 14:21:41 +0000, Keith Parris said:
> >
> >> The video is now available for viewing online at
> >> http://h30614.www3.hp.com/Discover/MyEvent/session/BB2174 (registration
> >> is required, but is free)
>
>
> OK. So I've downloaded and installed the Adobe Flash Player.

You _did_ read the EULA, didn't you? :-)

"Adobe demands 7,000 years a day from humankind

...

Follow the click and you'll be on your way to 3500-word licence
agreement that appears in about 50 languages that youšll have to scroll
through to find your native tongue"

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/04/feature_tech_licences_are_daft/

> After a five or ten minute shuffle trying to get this to work, and
> having dad to create a second account to get logged in due to "fun"
> with the passwords, the video is now loading.

Best thing IMHO is to stuff it into a virtual machine running an OS
which isn't too prone to nasties, and just fire it up when needed.

> HP is headed to a place of customer choice, and not forcing them to do
> anything. HP claims it is trying to provide open and converged
> mission-critical and is "on your side", where IBM is "proprietary and
> silo" with x86 as the platform of last resort, and Oracle is "locked in
> approach" with "prescriptive and pre-engineered stacks limiting
> flexibility"
>
> Oh; look; it's a QR code.

Oh fun.

http://justinsomnia.org/2011/03/why-does-that-qr-code-take-me-to-justinso
mnia-org/

"My QR Code started showing up in all sorts of unexpected places. It
seems that marketing people who needed a QR Code would search for one,
find mine aesthetically pleasing (well, the #1 result above contains the
BBC logo, so that wonšt do) and slap it on whatever mockup needed it.
And because itšs impossible to łproofread˛ a QR Code without a
specialized QR Reader, a few instances of my QR Code ended up on
finished products, thus becoming a sort of accidental 21st century
ETAOIN SHRDLU."

[Stephen Hoffman]

On 2012-12-05 19:45:58 +0000, Paul Sture said:

> In article <k9o480$kgq$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote:
>> Oh; look; it's a QR code.
>
> Oh fun.
>
> http://justinsomnia.org/2011/03/why-does-that-qr-code-take-me-to-justinsomnia-org/
>

...

http://picturesofpeoplescanningqrcodes.tumblr.com

[Bill Gunshannon]

In article <k9o9iv$p5h$1...@dont-email.me>,

Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
> On 2012-12-05 19:45:58 +0000, Paul Sture said:
>
>> In article <k9o480$kgq$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote:
>>> Oh; look; it's a QR code.
>>
>> Oh fun.
>>
>> http://justinsomnia.org/2011/03/why-does-that-qr-code-take-me-to-justinsomnia-org/
>>
> ...
>
> http://picturesofpeoplescanningqrcodes.tumblr.com
>

I thought they were fun. I had one posted on my office door that took
people to my CS Web Page at the University when I worked there.

bill


--
Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
bill...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

[Bob Koehler]

In article <k9o480$kgq$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
>
> Diagram shows a much larger role for x86 than EPIC/RISC going forward.
> (Oddly, the speaker didn't mention "Itanium")

HP has been using other EPIC architecures than Itanium? To me, at
HP, those are synonyms.

[Paul Sture]

In article <k9o9iv$p5h$1...@dont-email.me>,

Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote:

> On 2012-12-05 19:45:58 +0000, Paul Sture said:
>
> > In article <k9o480$kgq$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote:
> >> Oh; look; it's a QR code.
> >
> > Oh fun.
> >
> > http://justinsomnia.org/2011/03/why-does-that-qr-code-take-me-to-justinsomni
> > a-org/
> >
> ...
>
> http://picturesofpeoplescanningqrcodes.tumblr.com

Stale link?. That currently displays "No posts yet"

[Paul Sture]

In article <nospam-CCFDC0....@news.chingola.ch>,

Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:

> In article <k9o9iv$p5h$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On 2012-12-05 19:45:58 +0000, Paul Sture said:
> >
> > > In article <k9o480$kgq$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > > Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote:
> > >> Oh; look; it's a QR code.
> > >
> > > Oh fun.
> > >
> > > http://justinsomnia.org/2011/03/why-does-that-qr-code-take-me-to-justinsom
> > > ni
> > > a-org/
> > >
> > ...
> >
> > http://picturesofpeoplescanningqrcodes.tumblr.com
>
> Stale link?. That currently displays "No posts yet"

Ah, I see it now.

http://betabeat.com/2012/03/qr-code-single-serving-site-03062012/

"It has 148 notes on one post‹its only‹that simply reads łNo posts yet.˛

This modest joke, if you still need it explained to you, is that nobody
sees anybody else using QR codes, ever. And that itąs an idiotic, square
peg of an idea that advertising and marketing experts have
unsuccessfully tried to shove down consumersą throats."

[VAXman-]

In article <k9o9iv$p5h$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
>On 2012-12-05 19:45:58 +0000, Paul Sture said:
>
>> In article <k9o480$kgq$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote:
>>> Oh; look; it's a QR code.
>>
>> Oh fun.
>>
>> http://justinsomnia.org/2011/03/why-does-that-qr-code-take-me-to-justinsomnia-org/
>>

>....
>
>http://picturesofpeoplescanningqrcodes.tumblr.com

No posts yet.

???

[David Froble]

They want your contact info ....

[David Froble]

VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article <k9nrol$tsi$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
>> On 2012-12-05 14:21:41 +0000, Keith Parris said:
>>
>>> On 12/3/2012 2:09 PM, Keith Parris wrote:
>>>> Session ID: BB2174
>>>>
>>>> Title: Strategy Session: Extending and expanding your full
>>>> mission-critical experience
>>> The video is now available for viewing online at
>>> http://h30614.www3.hp.com/Discover/MyEvent/session/BB2174 (registration
>>> is required, but is free)
>> "Free" as in no cash. You "pay" with your name, title, position, email
>> address, company mailing address, title and phone.
>>
>> Oddly, you can't use an existing HP "single sign-on" login. Not sure why.
>>
>> HP didn't ask for a Facebook or Twitter login or other social
>> networking credentials, though.
>
> Assuming they did, what about those of us who do _NOT_ possess credentials
> for these abject wastes of human endeavour?

If you're not running one of their favorite OS, such as weendoze,
perhaps they don't want to hear from you?

:-)

> Some time ago, a site forced entry of a mobile phone number. After hitting
> Google to determine a legitimate mobile-phone only area code and exchange,
> I was able to makeup the last 4 digits to get passed that requirement. I'm
> wondering whose number I managed to conjure up and whether they were called.
> Assumptions that everyone has jumped on the bandwagon of these 21st century
> "technologies" is wrong. I don't want to be a face on Facebook or a twit on
> Twitter, and I hate the phone!
>

I will say that mobile phones are a good thing. The reality is, in most
personal calls, you want to talk to the person, not where they normally
reside. Business is another thing. A business is usually where it
normally resides.

And when you're old and senile, and you get to the store and forget what
you were sent for, the phone can prevent getting whapped over the head
for being an imbicle.

[VAXman-]

... so that they can sell you a WEENDOZE box.

[Stephen Hoffman]

On 2012-12-06 11:31:36 +0000, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG said:

> In article <k9ou74$vmv$3...@dont-email.me>, David Froble
> <da...@tsoft-inc.com> writes:
>> They want your contact info ....
>
> ... so that they can sell you a WEENDOZE box.

The BCS VP was quite clear that they'll sell you whatever you want.
(Which was a statement reminiscent of the classic IBM sales approach.
But I digress.) Per that "mission-critical" presentation, HP is
targeting two operating systems for their next-generation high-end,
high-value, high-touch BCS servers; Microsoft Windows Server systems,
and Linux systems. Or they'll sell you the Integrity EPIC/RISC boxes
running UX or OpenVMS, if you want that.

For HP BCS, there are those future HydraLynx or DragonHawk x86-64 blade
products that HP has been discussing, or the ProLiant DL980 box
<http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13708_div/13708_div.html>
that's currently available.

If you don't need or don't want the DL980 box or don't want to wait for
those future BCS servers, HP is quite willing to sell you some other
ProLiant box running Linux now.

The HP personal systems folks are undoubtedly focused on Microsoft
Windows products, but they'll still sell you workstations and servers
with Linux, too.

(Given HP printers group got rolled into the personal systems group, it
wouldn't surprise me to see the HP BCS folks eventually rolled into
that same group, too; into a consoldiated computers and printers group.
But I digress.)

[VAXman-]

In article <k9q5p4$n1n$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
>On 2012-12-06 11:31:36 +0000, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG said:
>
>> In article <k9ou74$vmv$3...@dont-email.me>, David Froble
>> <da...@tsoft-inc.com> writes:
>>> They want your contact info ....
>>
>> ... so that they can sell you a WEENDOZE box.
>
>The BCS VP was quite clear that they'll sell you whatever you want.
>(Which was a statement reminiscent of the classic IBM sales approach.
>But I digress.) Per that "mission-critical" presentation, HP is
>targeting two operating systems for their next-generation high-end,
>high-value, high-touch BCS servers; Microsoft Windows Server systems,
>and Linux systems. Or they'll sell you the Integrity EPIC/RISC boxes
>running UX or OpenVMS, if you want that.
>
>For HP BCS, there are those future HydraLynx or DragonHawk x86-64 blade
>products that HP has been discussing, or the ProLiant DL980 box
><http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13708_div/13708_div.html>
>that's currently available.
>
>If you don't need or don't want the DL980 box or don't want to wait for
>those future BCS servers, HP is quite willing to sell you some other
>ProLiant box running Linux now.
>
>The HP personal systems folks are undoubtedly focused on Microsoft
>Windows products, but they'll still sell you workstations and servers
>with Linux, too.

With Linux??? Not! I would love to have gotten my 17.3" Envy with Linux
in lieu of that schlock Redmond WA outfit's virus collector V7 but it was
not possible. When I called to ask a question shortly after its purchase,
I was told that I would have to re-install that schlock Redmond WA outfit's
virus collector V7 to get ANY support. This being, of course, the same HP
that wanted to sell me 4 tiny screws for $38.00!

I do not believe that HP is serious about Linux. Hell, I don't believe HP
is serious about anything other than that schlock Redmond WA outfit's virus
collector Vwhatever and ink, save for their red ink!

[Bob Koehler]

In article <k9q5p4$n1n$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
>

> The BCS VP was quite clear that they'll sell you whatever you want.

Terrific! I want VMS running natively on my Lenovo laptop. OK, I'll
settle for natively on one of those HP x86 laptops. Who do I talk
to, to order it?

8-)

[Richard B. Gilbert]

But it won't fix your typing and/or spelling! <sigh>

[John Wallace]

On Dec 6, 1:36 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:

> In article <k9q5p4$n1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman <seaoh...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
> >On 2012-12-06 11:31:36 +0000,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG said:
>

> >> In article <k9ou74$vm...@dont-email.me>, David Froble

I think Hoff may have meant that BCS will sell you Windowless variants
of BCS stuff.

The volume products part of HP has to pay for a Windows licence on
every PC they sell, or else they lose their "most favoured partner"
discounted prices from MS.

[David Froble]

No, it won't. I try, but it seems all my fingers have morphed into
thumbs, and spelling can be tough, and being senile I forget to do spell
checking. If it's that bad, don't read it.

[Stephen Hoffman]

Richard just neds to find a news reader that chex for grammer and
mispellings, and either autocorekts it, or blanks owt the naughty posts.

[Paul Sture]

In article <k9q5p4$n1n$1...@dont-email.me>,

Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote:

> For HP BCS, there are those future HydraLynx or DragonHawk x86-64 blade
> products that HP has been discussing, or the ProLiant DL980 box
> <http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13708_div/13708_div.html>
> that's currently available.
>
> If you don't need or don't want the DL980 box or don't want to wait for
> those future BCS servers, HP is quite willing to sell you some other
> ProLiant box running Linux now.
>
> The HP personal systems folks are undoubtedly focused on Microsoft
> Windows products, but they'll still sell you workstations and servers
> with Linux, too.

Adverts for HP server class systems without a bundled O/S come my way on
a regular basis.

That includes the HP MicroServer which cost roughly 300 USD a year ago
(4GB RAM, no disks, and in the US and UK there were cashback offers
too). You don't need to get into expensive territory here.