VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5

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Ivan

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Feb 22, 2008, 11:43:39 PM2/22/08
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I am doing some research for a school paper about old versions of
VMS, but I am having a hard time finding any documentation on VMS 5.0
- VMS 5.5. I'm also looking for info on cluster configuration for
those versions. Does anyone have any idea of where I can get the docs?

Thanks for you help.

Ivan

Bob Gezelter

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Feb 23, 2008, 5:29:29 AM2/23/08
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Ivan,

My memory may be not completely accurate, but my offhand recollection
is that full, shared file clustering was available at 5.0 (4.7 if I
recall, allowed the use of shared HSC50s, but not writeable volume.

Your best bet would be a copy of the cluster configuration manual from
that vintage. If I recall, a recent posting in this newsgroup offered
a fairly complete old documentation set from that period, perhaps the
postage would be a worthwhile investment (although perhaps for your
professor as source material for yourself and your future colleagues).

I do have some material from that period, but it is not easily
accessible at this moment.

Another good possibility is the article that was printed, I recall
correctly, in Communications of the ACM on VAXclusters that I cited in
my chapter on OpenVMS security for the Handbook of Information
Security (H Bidgoli, Ed., 2005, brochure at http://www.rlgsc.com/hinfosec/hinfosec.html
). That is a full academic-style paper describing the Original OpenVMS
cluster system, its hardware, and its philosophy.

I hope that the above is helpful.

- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com

- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com

Richard B. Gilbert

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Feb 23, 2008, 9:42:04 AM2/23/08
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VMS V5.5 was a sort of "landmark" release. It was the earliest release
for which Y2K support was available; actually 5.5-2 was the one supported.

V5.0 is so old. . . . Very few people will run a .0 release of
anything; rightly or wrongly, a .0 release is suspected of having at
least as many bugs as it has features! Such a release almost always
contains major changes and new features.

ISTR that I installed V5.0 ONLY because I needed it to get to V5.2. I
ran 5.0 for about an hour while 5.2 was being installed. Reboot and Poof!

As to where to get documentation; it's out of print so you'll have to
find somebody who still has a copy and is willing to part with it. Mine
will have to be pried from my cold dead hands!!

JF Mezei

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Feb 23, 2008, 10:18:50 AM2/23/08
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From 5.0 onwards, the changes to VMS have been more gradual than
revolutionary.

5.0's documentation was the last to come in large binders. Commonly
called the "Grey wall". From 5.5 onwards if I recall correctly, it was
softcover books that were much smaller (and smaller font as I recall).

Prior to 5.0, the documentation came in Orange binders.


Host based volume shadowing came with 5.5-2 circa 1992-1993. (allowed
mirror disks to exist via VMS on different nodes in a cluster).


5.0 came between 1988 and 1989 if I remember correctly. It was the first
version to have the LMF (License management facility).

Hein RMS van den Heuvel

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Feb 23, 2008, 10:43:45 AM2/23/08
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On Feb 22, 11:43 pm, Ivan <ifquei...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am doing some research for a school paper about old versions of
> VMS,  but I am having a hard time finding any documentation on VMS 5.0
> - VMS 5.5.

wikipedia might be a good starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS
From there: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/20th/vmsbook.pdf

Design documents and discussion (VAXnotes) where only available on
'Easynet'.
That was the DECnet based intranet used at the time.
Stuff just did not appear on the internet, other then perhaps c.o.v.
PDF was unheard of. Runoff and DECdocument were the ubiquitous
document formats and "PostScript" for the nice output.

Anyway... the best online historical VMS manual set I knwo of is made
available by 'sysworks'.
It's a goldmine: http://www.sysworks.com.au/odl.html

> Does anyone have any idea of where I can get the docs?

The OpenVMS doc, depending on the version, is often refered to as 'the
grey wall' or such, for reason.
You know that would be several boxes full of Orange or Blue coloured
ringbinders.
Just google this newsgroup for 'orange wall' and you'll stumble in to
a 1999 JF M topic "Colour of DEC documentation Options" as well as a
recent offering by Tom Garcia "Free: VMS orange wall"

> I'm also looking for info on cluster configuration for those versions.

http://www.sysworks.com.au/disk$cddoc04jan11/decw$book/ek-vaxcs-cg__004_b2.decw$book

For details down to the bits the "VAX Cluster Principles" book by Roy
G Davis ishoudl be great.
It is OpenVMS 5.5-1 based. Digital Press ISBN 1-55558-112-9

Cheers,
Hein.

[Hope I did not do your homework :-]

Richard B. Gilbert

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Feb 23, 2008, 11:11:46 AM2/23/08
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Orange????? Officially it was "Chinese Red"

Arne Vajhøj

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Feb 23, 2008, 11:40:20 AM2/23/08
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Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote:
>> Just google this newsgroup for 'orange wall' and you'll stumble in to
>> a 1999 JF M topic "Colour of DEC documentation Options" as well as a
>> recent offering by Tom Garcia "Free: VMS orange wall"
>
> Orange????? Officially it was "Chinese Red"

I have never heard about "chinese red wall".

Arne

Arne Vajhøj

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Feb 23, 2008, 11:41:32 AM2/23/08
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JF Mezei wrote:
> Prior to 5.0, the documentation came in Orange binders.

It was Orangle in V4, but I have been told that it was blue in V3.

Arne

Arne Vajhøj

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Feb 23, 2008, 11:45:13 AM2/23/08
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Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> VMS V5.5 was a sort of "landmark" release. It was the earliest release
> for which Y2K support was available; actually 5.5-2 was the one supported.

There is a tendency to that the last version within a major
version become used in many many years, because some sites
for various reasons do not want to make a major version
upgrade.

The 4.7 systems may have been decommissioned by now.

But I am sure that 5.5-2 and 6.2-1Hx are still some
of the most widely used versions (and 7.3-2 could be
more used than 8.x for all I know).

Arne

Ivan

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Feb 23, 2008, 11:55:41 AM2/23/08
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Thank you so much for all the responses! I do believe I now have
everything I need... I wouldn't be able to complete this assignment
without your help.

Have a good weekend!

Ivan

Ivan

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Feb 23, 2008, 11:57:29 AM2/23/08
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No, you did not do my homework, but you certainly put me in the right
track.... thank you so much...

Ivan

Richard B. Gilbert

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Feb 23, 2008, 12:03:35 PM2/23/08
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No, you wouldn't. Nobody called it that outside of a few "suits" at
DEC. To EVERYONE ELSE it was the "orange wall".

Richard B. Gilbert

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Feb 23, 2008, 12:05:30 PM2/23/08
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V2 was blue and perhaps early V3. By the time I got my V3.6 doc set, it
had Orange binders.

Bill Gunshannon

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Feb 23, 2008, 12:24:33 PM2/23/08
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In article <47C051E7...@comcast.net>,

That's like my MGB (and the Triumph Spitfire I used to have along with it).
Everybody who saw it said it was orange, like a pumpkin but the "official"
color was Vermillion!!

bill


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VAXman-

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Feb 23, 2008, 5:58:41 PM2/23/08
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In article <3fa051b0-19e7-4014...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Ivan <ifqu...@yahoo.com> writes:
>Thank you so much for all the responses! I do believe I now have
>everything I need... I wouldn't be able to complete this assignment
>without your help.

Has anyone mentioned the most significant change to VMS with V5? The
modular executive was introduced with V5. I can provide you with an
article I wrote about the modular exec and loadable executive images
if you'll contact me off-line

--
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"Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"

http://tmesis.com/drat.html

Sue

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Feb 24, 2008, 2:33:06 AM2/24/08
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On Feb 23, 12:03 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
wrote:

As a DEC person it sure looked orange to me in spite of the official
color, but then again I missed the dot changes for ages.

Ivan, just so you are aware we do a youth scholarship for the Boot
Camp in May and some of the Partners do a scholarship which in some
cases cover transportation. If your interested, this location and
www.openvms.org is a good place to keep informed.

Warm Regards,
Sue

Main, Kerry

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Feb 24, 2008, 8:57:35 AM2/24/08
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> From: Sue [mailto:susan_s...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: February 24, 2008 2:33 AM
> To: Info...@Mvb.Saic.Com
> Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5

For future reference - some additional OpenVMS links that may be
of interest:

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/openvms-release-history.html
(OpenVMS release history)

http://research.microsoft.com/users/gbell/Digital/timeline/1978.htm
(click on timeline for different years)

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/openvms_supportchart.html
(Support version history)

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/hw_supportchart.html
(HW and min version support)

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/archived.html
(Archived documentation. Btw, the Building Dependable Systems guide is
just as prevalent today as it was back then.)

Regards

Kerry Main
Senior Consultant
HP Services Canada
Voice: 613-254-8911
Fax: 613-591-4477
kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
(remove the DOT's and AT)

OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.

VAXman-

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Feb 24, 2008, 9:18:43 AM2/24/08
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In article <C72D63EB292C9E49AED23...@G1W0487.americas.hpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry...@hp.com> writes:
>{...snip...}

>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/archived.html
>(Archived documentation. Btw, the Building Dependable Systems guide is
>just as prevalent today as it was back then.)

It seems to me that today many software producers, software products and
OS manufacturers have archived the idea of 'Building Dependable Systems'.

Jerry Eckert

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Feb 24, 2008, 11:59:22 AM2/24/08
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On Feb 23, 4:29 am, Bob Gezelter <gezel...@rlgsc.com> wrote:
>
> My memory may be not completely accurate, but my offhand recollection
> is that full, shared file clustering was available at 5.0 (4.7 if I
> recall, allowed the use of shared HSC50s, but not writeable volume.
>

You're off by a version. Read-only sharing was available in V3.7;
read/write sharing was available in V4.0. One of the major additions
in V5.0 was SMP support; prior to that the multiprocessor support was
asymmetric, with the primary CPU handling the I/O and interrupts.

Jerry


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