OpenVMS in a virtual machine?
polemon
Is there a way of running OpenVMS in a virtual machine?
Or is there a VAX emulator at all?
Cheers,
--polemon
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Bill Pechter
SimH under Windows or Linux running the VAX emulator is doable.
Haven't really performance tested it, though.
Bill
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Stanley F. Quayle
http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html
You can also emulate an Alpha:
http://www.stanq.com/charon-alpha.html
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Bart Zorn
> Hi!
>
> Is there a way of running OpenVMS in a virtual machine?
>
> Or is there a VAX emulator at all?
>
> Cheers,
> --polemon
>
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Yes, I am running OpenVMS on Personal Alpha running on Windows XP
running on a virtual machine by VMware Fusion on Mac OS X.
Of course, this is not a production environment!
Bart Zorn
Bob Eager
pec...@bandit.pechter.dyndns.org.pechter.dyndns.org (Bill Pechter)
wrote:
> In article <20090320110110....@cbyrzba.bet>,
> polemon <cby...@cbyrzba.bet> wrote:
> >Hi!
> >
> >Is there a way of running OpenVMS in a virtual machine?
> >
> >Or is there a VAX emulator at all?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >--polemon
> >
> >--
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>
> SimH under Windows or Linux running the VAX emulator is doable.
I run it under FreeBSD and OS/2 as well!
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Martin Vorlaender
> polemon <cby...@cbyrzba.bet> wrote:
>>Is there a way of running OpenVMS in a virtual machine?
>>Or is there a VAX emulator at all?
>
>
> Haven't really performance tested it, though.
PT_VAX.EXE from SRI [1] says it runs at 10 VUPS on my notebook (1.5 GHz
Pentium M, 1.2 GB RAM).
Sequential test results:
MIPs Dhrystones VUPs
Run 0 7.3 22002 10.2
Run 1 7.3 24752 10.0
Run 2 7.3 24752 10.0
Run 3 7.1 24752 10.0
---------------------------------------------
Average 7.3 24064 10.0
Interleaved test results:
MIPs Dhrystones VUPs
Run 0 7.3 19801 10.2
Run 1 7.3 24752 10.0
Run 2 7.3 24752 10.0
Run 3 7.3 19801 10.2
---------------------------------------------
Average 7.3 22276 10.1
cu,
Martin
[1] http://www.stromasys.ch/charon-vax/Tools_and_tips.htm#perf
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Alexander Horn
>I run it under FreeBSD and OS/2 as well!
I'm running a SIMH-VAX on a 64-Bit Sun Microsystems ULTRA-1 Model 140,
with 64-Bit OpenBSD 4.4 for sparc64/sun4u architectures! It's really
faster and securer as in/on SOLARIS, or even SunOS 5.x :-)
C YA,
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H Vlems
> Hi!
>
> Is there a way of running OpenVMS in a virtual machine?
>
> Or is there a VAX emulator at all?
>
> Cheers,
> --polemon
>
> --
Yes there is simh which emulates a VAX 3900.
Simh runs on VAX, Windows, Linux and other platforms. A few ready to
run kits (old but working) may be found on
http://home.zonnet.nl/hvlems
No VMS media, just the compiled emulator.
Hans
Bob Eager
> Yes there is simh which emulates a VAX 3900.
There's also a VX-11/780 version now...!
> Simh runs on VAX, Windows, Linux and other platforms. A few ready to
> run kits (old but working) may be found on
> http://home.zonnet.nl/hvlems
> No VMS media, just the compiled emulator.
I intend to set up a ready-to-run repository when I get time...
Must compile SIMH for the VAX sometime...virtual VMS! Pretty slow though
on my VAXes...
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koe...@spock.koehler.athome.net
> Hi!
>
> Is there a way of running OpenVMS in a virtual machine?
>
> Or is there a VAX emulator at all?
In addition to a virtual machine that is an emulation of the hardware
that VMS runs on, there is also the market-speak meaning of virtual
machine. VMS runs in an HP-UX based VM on IA64.
Arne Vajhøj
It many ways it is the same meaning since it does the same thing - it
is just a bit faster when the virtual machines has the same instruction
set as the host machine.
Arne
JF Mezei
> It many ways it is the same meaning since it does the same thing - it
> is just a bit faster when the virtual machines has the same instruction
> set as the host machine.
But under the hood, there are huge differences on how the guest IOS is
told about devices and how much control it has over such devices.
Arne Vajhøj
Don't SIMH use a container file as a disk ?
It is the same that Microsoft Virtual Server 2005 does.
And the same that VMWare Server (not ESX) does.
Arne
Stanley F. Quayle
can be a great way to partition hardware a big Integrity server into lots of little ones.
"Hey, it runs OpenVMS, right?" is about all the technical knowledge the non-VMS sales
reps know. If the customer is looking for a virtual solution to replace a "stuck-on"
VAX, that just won't work.
I won't mention CHARON-VAX on Intetrity as a way to help these people. [Shameless Plug
Alert (tm) -- I am a CHARON-VAX reseller.]
Wilm Boerhout
Does it now? Or is it still a promise that it will one day. I'm afraid
I'm a bit lost with respect to the difference between marketing
brochures and really restoring your VMS backup on such a VM.
/Wilm
JF Mezei
>> In addition to a virtual machine that is an emulation of the hardware
>> that VMS runs on, there is also the market-speak meaning of virtual
>> machine. VMS runs in an HP-UX based VM on IA64.
>
> Does it now? Or is it still a promise that it will one day.
VMS 8.4 is to have support for this. It is close to being hatched to
customers from what I have been told.
Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER
No. Fieldtest for VMS 8.4 was recently delayed until end of year (!), so
I don't expect to see a final V8.4 before 2010H1. So much for the promise
of 12-18mon between every major VMS version (IIRC Nemo was mid 2006)...
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JF Mezei
> No. Fieldtest for VMS 8.4 was recently delayed until end of year (!), so
> I don't expect to see a final V8.4 before 2010H1. So much for the promise
> of 12-18mon between every major VMS version (IIRC Nemo was mid 2006)...
That is most interesting. I suspect this is due to various changes going
on within HP and not to 8.4 not being complete.
Bill Gunshannon
And, as far as the perception of the IT Industry, does the reason
really matter? Or will they just see it as another legacy product
not receiving the attention or resources it needs to stay on schedule?
bill
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JF Mezei
> And, as far as the perception of the IT Industry, does the reason
> really matter? Or will they just see it as another legacy product
> not receiving the attention or resources it needs to stay on schedule?
The industry doesn't know that VMS is slated to get a new version so the
delay is inconsequential to the industry.
However, should HP decide to announce new plans for VMS, IA64 etc, then
this delay would slip right in with the new plans and the reason for the
delay perfectly valid.
EmuVM
>
> Is there a way of running OpenVMS in a virtual machine?
>
> Or is there a VAX emulator at all?
>
> Cheers,
> --polemon
>
> --
Hi guys!
The EmuVM company (http://emuvm.com/) has developed Alpha AXP emulator running on Linux and Windows called AlphaVM. The OpenVMS and Tru64 can be launched on it.
We have free and commercial version of AlphaVM emulator.
Please, visit http://emuvm.com/ and find it.
durg...@gmail.com
i have open vms alpha versions
SOFTWARE
───────────
VMS V7.3-2 prod server 1
VMS V7.3 prod server 2
VMS V7.3-2 prod server 3
Now if i want to go virtulization what is the benefits i will get?
is there hardware need to be added what is the cost?
after virtulization i need to both vms and windows server?
can you please explain?
Durgaprasad G(durga)
Durga Prasad
i have open vms alpha versions
SOFTWARE
───────────
VMS V7.3-2 prod server 1
VMS V7.3 prod server 2
VMS V7.3-2 prod server 3
Now if i want to go virtulization what is the benefits i will get?
is there hardware need to be added what is the cost?
Stephen Hoffman
> i have open vms alpha versions
> SOFTWARE───────────VMS V7.3-2 prod server 1VMS V7.3 prod server
> there hardware need to be added what is the cost?
> after virtulization if i want to boot i need to both go vmsserver and
> windows server?
> can you please explain?
Virtualization, VMware and Xen, and OpenVMS?
<http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/640>
OpenVMS Hardware Intro: Hardware Emulation
<http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/70>
Also read through the years-old newsgroup thread that you've replied to
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.vms/XXr12jKPskE/CIWKHcrP_0sJ>,
and please try to explain what in that thread you might find confusing.
That'll help speed an answer.
If you have questions on the thread or on the above links, please do
ask. Again, specifics help.
As for whether you will see any benefits from emulation or from a
virtualized emulator, that is only something you can answer, and
probably only after testing to see whether your applications work, and
whether the emulation has sufficient performance. Depending on the
environment and on the dependencies, porting to OpenVMS I64 can have
good or potentially better results, too. Trade-offs and applications
and the local system loading will all differ; there's no
one-size-fits-all answer here.
Some terms...
Emulation: different computing architectures. Alpha executables
running on x86-64 systems require both instruction emulation and system
simulation; they won't run natively, so you'll need an emulator to run
the binaries and the operating system. An emulator requires an
operating system; either a home-grown operating system that was
custom-written for the emulator and that provides basic OS-related
functions, and some emulators are packaged with a generic operating
system, while others are treated as layered products and are installed
onto the end-user's own hardware and operating system. Emulators can
often be virtualized.
Virtualization: the binary is executing on the same underlying
architecture as it was built for. x86-64 binaries running on an
x86-64 system can run more-or-less directly, and there's no difference
in the instruction sets.
And entirely FWIW, please don't dredge up an ancient posting. If you
do feel oblicated to dredge up an ancient newsgroup posting, then
please explain why your question is different from what was discussed
in the previous thread; what you don't understand about what was
posted. You've clearly used a search engine, so the least you can do
to better reach your goal of an answer is explain why the question
you're asking differs from the answers and the discussion you've
clearly already found.
If you'd like to read and post to the newsgroups directly, here's a
site that offers free NNTP news accounts
<http://www.eternal-september.org>. Get yourself an NNTP news reader,
and connect directly to what Google is reposting in their web forums.
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