Downloading HP ACMS for OpenVMS Kit

Joe

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May 3, 2013, 8:20:02 AM5/3/13

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Hello All,

Could some one please help me in downloading the kits for HP ACMS for OpenVMS? I have the hobyist license for the same, however I'm not able to download the kits from HP website. I want to try installing that on my Personal alpha on my PC and try a few things.

Regards,
Joe

Stephen Hoffman

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May 3, 2013, 8:53:55 AM5/3/13

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HP traditionally doesn't publish open-access downloads of their
software products. Ask the HP folks that sent you the hobbyist PAKs
for a kit.

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Joe

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May 3, 2013, 1:20:01 PM5/3/13

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Thanks, I will give a try.

Dennis Boone

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May 3, 2013, 4:20:24 PM5/3/13

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> HP traditionally doesn't publish open-access downloads of their
> software products. Ask the HP folks that sent you the hobbyist PAKs
> for a kit.

Lately, hobbyist pak emails have included a note that a few packages
are available upon request. The fellow who sends the paks will email
you ftp info on condition of non-redistribution. There are separate
sites for vax, alpha and ia64 kits.

You did say open, which I suppose this isn't given needing to ask
for host/user/pw details, but HP has tried to address the issue of
hobbyist access to install kits at least a little.

De

Joe

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May 17, 2013, 4:34:35 AM5/17/13

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Thanks Hoff and De,

I got the kits now.

Regards,
Joe

Kevin Monceaux

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Mar 31, 2014, 10:54:19 AM3/31/14

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On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 01:34:35AM -0700, Joe wrote:

> Thanks Hoff and De,
>
> I got the kits now.

Were they available for hobbyist download or did you get the kits from other
sources? I'm looking for Alpha ACMS and DECforms kits. I received an
e-mail from John Egolf with the details needed to access the kits available
for hobbyist download, but I didn't see ACMS or DECforms among the available
kits. I replied to that e-mail and asked if ACMS and DECforms could be made
available for hobbyist download but didn't receive a reply.

I have a couple of older Alpha layered product sets. I don't mind using
older versions, but I only have OpenVMS 8.3 and 8.4 install media. The
layered product sets I have are a bit too old to use with those versions. I
have OpenVMS 7.1-1H2 install media on its way to me, which might be close
enough for the layered product sets I have. If I'm able to use that version
with the layered product sets I have, does anyone know where I can find
suitable versions of Oracle Rdb, CDD, etc., for the Alpha? I suspect the
oldest versions available for download on Oracle's site are a bit too new.

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Stephen Hoffman

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Mar 31, 2014, 11:23:55 AM3/31/14

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On 2014-03-31 14:54:19 +0000, Kevin Monceaux said:

> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 01:34:35AM -0700, Joe wrote:
>
>> Thanks Hoff and De,
>>
>> I got the kits now.

For those that don't have the message archives handy, here is the text
of my previous reply from the earlier incarnation of this thread:

"HP traditionally doesn't publish open-access downloads of their
software products. Ask the HP folks that sent you the hobbyist PAKs
for a kit."

> I replied to that e-mail and asked if ACMS and DECforms could be made
> available for hobbyist download but didn't receive a reply.

That's the official path. I'd expect to potentially wait at least a
few days, particularly if there's a weekend and/or an ice storm
involved.

ACMS and DECforms are not typical hobbyist fodder, so the HP folks
might also be contemplating exactly what you're up to here.

Phillip Helbig---undress to reply

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Mar 31, 2014, 11:26:00 AM3/31/14

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In article <lhc1ab$1bv$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman

<seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:

> "HP traditionally doesn't publish open-access downloads of their
> software products. Ask the HP folks that sent you the hobbyist PAKs
> for a kit."

Right.

> That's the official path. I'd expect to potentially wait at least a
> few days, particularly if there's a weekend and/or an ice storm
> involved.

Right.

> ACMS and DECforms are not typical hobbyist fodder, so the HP folks
> might also be contemplating exactly what you're up to here.

Right. I've never used ACMS, but have used DECforms a tiny bit (but not
as a hobbyist). I can see some hobbyists wanting to use DECforms.

Kevin Monceaux

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Mar 31, 2014, 1:29:31 PM3/31/14

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On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:23:55AM -0400, Stephen Hoffman wrote:

> On 2014-03-31 14:54:19 +0000, Kevin Monceaux said:
>
> >I replied to that e-mail and asked if ACMS and DECforms could be made
> >available for hobbyist download but didn't receive a reply.
>
> That's the official path. I'd expect to potentially wait at least a few
> days, particularly if there's a weekend and/or an ice storm involved.

It's only been five days. I figured I'd explore other options while waiting
for a reply in case they say they can't be made available for hobbyist
download.

> ACMS and DECforms are not typical hobbyist fodder, so the HP folks might
> also be contemplating exactly what you're up to here.

It's just for personal curiosity. I work as an IBM mainframe operator and
have developed a fondness for CICS, and TP systems in general. Sadly IBM
doesn't have a hobbyist program. I'd love to be able to run CICS at home.
Since there is an OpenVMS hobbyist program, for which I'm grateful, I
figured I'd learn a little about the TP software available for OpenVMS.
I've dabbled a bit with the VAX version of ACMS, both on a VAXstation 3100
M76 and under SIMH, though I never got very far with it. That was several
years ago, and I've forgotten the little I learned. I acquired an Alpha
server a while back so I'd like to set up the Alpha version on it and start
learning again.