Is NAS 150 layered or SIP?

Alan Frisbie

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Feb 27, 2004, 1:13:36 PM2/27/04

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For license transfer purposes, is the NAS 150 package
considered a layered product (non-transferable), or a
SIP (System Integrated Package) and thus transferable?

I tried to find the answer on the VMS web site, but
none of my searches turned up a definitive answer.

I'm sure that I saw the answer in a DEC document once,
but I'm unable to find it now.

Thanks,
Alan

Jeff Goodwin

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Feb 27, 2004, 2:53:41 PM2/27/04

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"Alan Frisbie" <Usenet0...@Flying-Disk.com> wrote in message
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Alan,

NAS licenses are Category 2, thus redesignatable (transferable only within
the same legal entity) or relicensable from one legal entity to another
within a Corporate Group.

http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=transfer
and
http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=xfer

NAS licenses are not listed as Category 1 (OS type licenses) or Category 3
(SIP type licenses), thus are Category 2.

There are special rules for mergers/acquisitions where all license types are
transferable.

http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=corporate

Jeff

Alan Frisbie

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Feb 27, 2004, 3:52:31 PM2/27/04

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Jeff Goodwin wrote:

> NAS licenses are Category 2, thus redesignatable (transferable only within
> the same legal entity) or relicensable from one legal entity to another
> within a Corporate Group.
>
> http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=transfer
> and
> http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=xfer
>
> NAS licenses are not listed as Category 1 (OS type licenses) or Category 3
> (SIP type licenses), thus are Category 2.

How do you reconcile that with this HP web page:

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/swcat/us/clustersvms.html

"HP OpenVMS Cluster Software is an OpenVMS System Integrated
Product (SIP). It provides a highly integrated OpenVMS computing
environment distributed over multiple Alpha and VAX systems.
<snip>
* HP OpenVMS Cluster Client Software for Alpha (part of NAS150)"

Note carefully "SIP".

SIPs (category 3) are, as you noted, transferrable. OpenVMS
Cluster Client Software for Alpha is a SIP. There is no
separate license for "OpenVMS Cluster Client Software for Alpha"
-- it is part of NAS150 and cannot be ordered separately. See
this web page for more details:

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/clusters/clusters_new_features62.html

"OpenVMS Cluster Client software is available for Alpha and VAX
systems. The software uses an LMF license name of VMSCLUSTER-CLIENT.
OpenVMS Cluster Client software is included in the Compaq NAS 150
package and is not separately orderable."

How do you transfer this Cluster Client license (a SIP, but which
does not exist as a separate entity) without transferring NAS150?

Alan

Martin Walker

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Mar 2, 2004, 3:00:10 PM3/2/04

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If you check the 7.3-2 cluster SPD, it seems that there is a Cluster
Client available for separate purchase (but I do think it's a new
addition)...

"OpenVMS Cluster Client licensing is provided as part of the NAS150
layered product. An individually available license for DS-series
AlphaServers is also provided."

And before someone asks, the part no info is...

o VMScluster Client Software for OpenVMS Alpha
- Software Licenses: QL-3MRA*-AA
- Software Migration Licenses: QL-6J7A*-AA
- Software Product Services: QT-3MRA*-**
- LMF PAK Name: VMSCLUSTER-CLIENT

(The only character to replace the "*" in QL-3MRA*-AA in the price
file is "C" = DS class Alpha)

I know you can trade in NAS for its individual components - but can't
find the rules right now (contact me off-line if you need to know).

Also, if you have HP right to license upgrade contract, NAS-150 is
better value than individual components.

Hope this helps

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Fabio Cardoso

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Mar 3, 2004, 5:17:10 AM3/3/04

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Alan Frisbie <Usenet0...@Flying-Disk.com> wrote in message news:<403F88D0...@Flying-Disk.com>...

I dont understand why OpenVMS still having this licensing model.
Other OSes like Solaris don´t have it anymore. For me is waste
of time and resources to mantain this model based in NAS, etc...

Regards

FC

Rich Jordan

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Mar 4, 2004, 4:59:58 PM3/4/04

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fabio...@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f30679fb.04030...@posting.google.com>...

> I dont understand why OpenVMS still having this licensing model.
> Other OSes like Solaris don´t have it anymore. For me is waste
> of time and resources to mantain this model based in NAS, etc...
>
>
> Regards
>
> FC

I wish they didn't. The inability to transfer the NAS license (or
individual EIP licenses) with an Alpha has cost us numerous upgrade
sales opportunities. The system being replaced could _easily_ have
found a new home at a site upgrading from even older equipment, making
it a lot easier to offer better pricing to both the original and the
new owner, except that the cost of replacing the needed NAS/EIP
licenses _always_ blew the deal. Try to explain why that used
DS10/466 they can pick up for a really nice price needs to have many
times that price in new license purchases (or upgrades of their old
box licenses)...

But then we're not supposed to be selling VMS systems any more since
we can't do $1,000,000 per year in hardware sales to stay in the
program, so I guess I shouldn't care about crapulent licensing
schemes.

Rich Jordan
CCS