Cameraderie and devices >2GB
Alex Taylor
Now, I usually use Cameraderie in PTP mode to get the pictures off it.
But I've discovered that it won't read the new memory stick, perhaps
because it's larger than 2GB (?)...
The first time I tried it, it just said it couldn't read the device.
I tried again today to check the exact message, but now whenever I open
Cameraderie with the camera plugged in, the system instantly traps.
(The trapdump is corrupted so I unfortunately can't get the trap screen
data.)
I also tried switching over to USB-MSD mode, but that doesn't work
either because of the size of the device. (It doesn't work under
Win2K either, for what it's worth, although it does work under XP.)
Does anyone have experience with getting pictures off a camera with a
very large memory stick?
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Peter Brown
Alex Taylor wrote:
> I recently got a new 8GB memory stick for my digital camera.
>
> Now, I usually use Cameraderie in PTP mode to get the pictures off it.
> But I've discovered that it won't read the new memory stick, perhaps
> because it's larger than 2GB (?)...
>
> The first time I tried it, it just said it couldn't read the device.
>
> I tried again today to check the exact message, but now whenever I open
> Cameraderie with the camera plugged in, the system instantly traps.
> (The trapdump is corrupted so I unfortunately can't get the trap screen
> data.)
>
>
> I also tried switching over to USB-MSD mode, but that doesn't work
> either because of the size of the device. (It doesn't work under
> Win2K either, for what it's worth, although it does work under XP.)
>
> Does anyone have experience with getting pictures off a camera with a
> very large memory stick?
>
With regard to "USB-MSD mode": Did you make the 8GB memory stick into a
Volume using LVM before trying to access it?
Regards
Pete
Pierre Jelenc
>
> With regard to "USB-MSD mode": Did you make the 8GB memory stick into a
> Volume using LVM before trying to access it?
I have the same problem as Alex. I needed to extract some pictures from a
4GB SDHC card from a Lumix camera. However, when I plugged it into the
reader I use for my 1GB cards, LVM /RediscoverPRM seemed to go into some
infinite loop, with CPU usage at 100%. I let it run for 5 minutes, but
nothing happened and I had to kill the process.
The card works fine in at least 3 different models of cameras.
Pierre
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Ilya Zakharevich
> Peter Brown <losepeteS...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>
>> With regard to "USB-MSD mode": Did you make the 8GB memory stick into a
>> Volume using LVM before trying to access it?
>
> I have the same problem as Alex. I needed to extract some pictures from a
> 4GB SDHC card from a Lumix camera. However, when I plugged it into the
> reader I use for my 1GB cards, LVM /RediscoverPRM seemed to go into some
> infinite loop, with CPU usage at 100%. I let it run for 5 minutes, but
> nothing happened and I had to kill the process.
>
> The card works fine in at least 3 different models of cameras.
My standard response to problems like these is: upgrade to FDISK-based
DASD. LVM was a nice idea to have in mind, but the implementation is
not acceptable for production use.
[I do not have any problem like this... - but one also should
remember some options on CONFIG.SYS; mine are /CHS on the USBMSD
line - otherwise >100GB drives had problems.]
Hope this helps,
Ilya
Peter Brown
Pierre Jelenc wrote:
> Peter Brown<losepeteS...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>
>> With regard to "USB-MSD mode": Did you make the 8GB memory stick into a
>> Volume using LVM before trying to access it?
>
> I have the same problem as Alex. I needed to extract some pictures from a
> 4GB SDHC card from a Lumix camera. However, when I plugged it into the
> reader I use for my 1GB cards, LVM /RediscoverPRM seemed to go into some
> infinite loop, with CPU usage at 100%. I let it run for 5 minutes, but
> nothing happened and I had to kill the process.
>
> The card works fine in at least 3 different models of cameras.
>
> Pierre
Smaller USB drives - 2Gb or less - get treated as a "large floppy" drive
and assigned the next free Drive letter but a larger drive needs to be
made into a Volume before OS/2 can use it.
Regards
Pete
Ilya Zakharevich
> Smaller USB drives - 2Gb or less - get treated as a "large floppy" drive
> and assigned the next free Drive letter but a larger drive needs to be
> made into a Volume before OS/2 can use it.
Are you sure? I would think the difference is only in the presence of
the partition table, not in the size...
Yours,
Ilya
Peter Brown
That has been my experience on several eCS systems here.
Regards
Pete
Pierre Jelenc
>
> Smaller USB drives - 2Gb or less - get treated as a "large floppy" drive
> and assigned the next free Drive letter but a larger drive needs to be
> made into a Volume before OS/2 can use it.
Can that be done without screwing it up for everything else? That USB card
needs to work in one of several cameras, as well as a Windows (Vista I
believe) and Mac (fairly recent OS X whatever) computer.
James J. Weinkam
> Peter Brown <losepeteS...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>> Smaller USB drives - 2Gb or less - get treated as a "large floppy" drive
>> and assigned the next free Drive letter but a larger drive needs to be
>> made into a Volume before OS/2 can use it.
>
> Can that be done without screwing it up for everything else? That USB card
> needs to work in one of several cameras, as well as a Windows (Vista I
> believe) and Mac (fairly recent OS X whatever) computer.
>
> Pierre
My experience with cards >2GB is that if you don't add LVM information,
OS/2/eCS refuses to operate the drive. I have never seen adding LVM
information cause a problem for any camera or for any version of Windows. I
always use DFSee to add the lvm information. Sometimes a chkdsk is also
necessary.
After copying my pictures, I usually delete them from the card. This also does
not cause any problems in the camera.
Alex Taylor
<losepeteS...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Now, I usually use Cameraderie in PTP mode to get the pictures off it.
> > But I've discovered that it won't read the new memory stick, perhaps
> > because it's larger than 2GB (?)...
> >
> > The first time I tried it, it just said it couldn't read the device.
> >
> > I tried again today to check the exact message, but now whenever I
> > open Cameraderie with the camera plugged in, the system instantly
> > traps.
> >
> > either because of the size of the device.
>
> Volume using LVM before trying to access it?
No. I know that would probably work, but I don't want to lose all the
pictures that are already on the card.
My question was really about getting PTP mode to work.
Paul Smedley
I use PTP mode with our Nikon D80 with 16gb SHDC card and it works
fine.
However, with my Nokia N97 that has 32gb built in, Cameraderie
fails...
--
Cheers,
Paul.
Pete
<pauld...@despamsmedley.id.au> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:47:01 UTC, "Alex Taylor"
> <mai...@reply.to.address> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:21:45 UTC, Peter Brown
> > <losepeteS...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > > > Now, I usually use Cameraderie in PTP mode to get the pictures off it.
> > > > But I've discovered that it won't read the new memory stick, perhaps
> > > > because it's larger than 2GB (?)...
period (DFSee will report "large floppy" and tell you the same thing). Unlike
FAT32, there's no exFAT file system driver for OS/2.
Pete
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Alex Taylor
>>>>> Now, I usually use Cameraderie in PTP mode to get the pictures off it.
>>>>> But I've discovered that it won't read the new memory stick, perhaps
>>>>> because it's larger than 2GB (?)...
>
> If the card has been formatted with exFAT, OS/2-eCS won't be able to read
> it, period (DFSee will report "large floppy" and tell you the same thing).
I eventually got it to work under eCS 2.0 GA (where it never worked under
the earlier version I'd been trying). Probably an updated USB driver or
storage was responsible.
OTOH, I haven't gotten my Android phone and its 32GB SD card to be
recognized, but then I haven't dug into it very much. (It helps that
I can actually FTP to the phone to get files, if I need to.)
Peter Brown
Pete wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:50:53 UTC, "Paul Smedley"
> <pauld...@despamsmedley.id.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:47:01 UTC, "Alex Taylor"
>> <mai...@reply.to.address> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:21:45 UTC, Peter Brown
>>> <losepeteS...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>> Now, I usually use Cameraderie in PTP mode to get the pictures off it.
>>>>> But I've discovered that it won't read the new memory stick, perhaps
>>>>> because it's larger than 2GB (?)...
>
Cameraderie at all.
Regards
Pete
Dariusz Piatkowski
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 08:37:01 UTC, "Alex Taylor" <mai...@reply.to.address>
wrote:
> I recently got a new 8GB memory stick for my digital camera.
>
> Now, I usually use Cameraderie in PTP mode to get the pictures off it.
> But I've discovered that it won't read the new memory stick, perhaps
> because it's larger than 2GB (?)...
> Does anyone have experience with getting pictures off a camera with a
> very large memory stick?
recognized volume and formatted as a FAT32 FS. This is good enough...the change
that made it work was the fact that I assigned a volume letter to the partition
(as best as I can remember). Not sure if I had LVM create the actual partition
itself though...I remember worrying a little bit about whether the camera was
going to complain that there is an unformatted SDHC card in there and so on.
This combination works fine for me, only problem is, I can not create a file
(really just MJPG) that's larger then the 2Gig limit...
James J. Weinkam
> Hi Alex!
>
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 08:37:01 UTC, "Alex Taylor"<mai...@reply.to.address>
> wrote:
>
>> I recently got a new 8GB memory stick for my digital camera.
>>
>> Now, I usually use Cameraderie in PTP mode to get the pictures off it.
>> But I've discovered that it won't read the new memory stick, perhaps
>> because it's larger than 2GB (?)...
>
> ...snip...
>
>> Does anyone have experience with getting pictures off a camera with a
>> very large memory stick?
>
> Using a 16 Gig SDHC card here with my Pentax K5. It is defined as a LVM
> recognized volume and formatted as a FAT32 FS. This is good enough...the change
> that made it work was the fact that I assigned a volume letter to the partition
> (as best as I can remember).
can add the LVM information without the need to recreate the partition. It is sometimes also necessary to fix the hidden
sectors information and possibly run chkdsk before the device can be accessed. Most cameras, GPSs and recording devices
that use such memory cards do not get upset with either the LVM information or other files that you may add to the
memory card. However there are some that do refuse to work if they think the card has been tampered with.
Not sure if I had LVM create the actual partition
> itself though...I remember worrying a little bit about whether the camera was
> going to complain that there is an unformatted SDHC card in there and so on.
>
> This combination works fine for me, only problem is, I can not create a file
> (really just MJPG) that's larger then the 2Gig limit...
"limitation" some camera firmware and some versions of windows will actually process files up to 4GB. If I put a big
enough card in it, my Canon S5 camera will make a movie a bit over 30 minutes duration which generates a 4GB .avi file.
eCS displays the correct size but will only process the first 2GB. Windows XP displays an incorrect size but will
process the whole file. Go figure.
Allan
> > This combination works fine for me, only problem is, I can not create a file
> > (really just MJPG) that's larger then the 2Gig limit...
>
> That is a limitation of the FAT32 file system. I believe the "official" limit is 2GB less 1 byte. However, despite this
> "limitation" some camera firmware and some versions of windows will actually process files up to 4GB. If I put a big
> enough card in it, my Canon S5 camera will make a movie a bit over 30 minutes duration which generates a 4GB .avi file.
> eCS displays the correct size but will only process the first 2GB. Windows XP displays an incorrect size but will
> process the whole file. Go figure.
that are needed to access files larger than 2GB.
The driver is still Open Source, so you just need to find a developer,
that has the time to do the job :-)
--
Allan.
It is better to close your mouth, and look like a fool,
than to open it, and remove all doubt.
Alex Taylor
<dariusz@_NO-SPAM_mnsi.net> wrote:
> Hi Alex!
>
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 08:37:01 UTC, "Alex Taylor" <mai...@reply.to.address>
> wrote:
Appreciate the response, but is there any particular reason why people
are suddenly replying to my two-year-old messages?
James J. Weinkam
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 17:20:25 UTC, "Dariusz Piatkowski"
> <dariusz@_NO-SPAM_mnsi.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex!
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 08:37:01 UTC, "Alex Taylor"<mai...@reply.to.address>
>> wrote:
>
> --snip--
>
> Appreciate the response, but is there any particular reason why people
> are suddenly replying to my two-year-old messages?
>
>
>
>
As to that problem, I think some news servers must have bugs that sometimes cause ancient messages to resurface. On
several occasions I have had a sense of deja vu and looked at the message date only to see that an old message had
reappeared. Another possibility in this case, given the time of year, is some sort of April Fool joke.
Dariusz Piatkowski
flaged that as a NEW message and given the tiny community we 'live in' I always
try to respond to the posts with whatever information I have that may help.
Again...my appologies for brining this back to life...well, hopefully someone
else out there can make use of it.
Allan
> Oh...wow you guys...LOL...I had no idea...for whatever reason my newserver
> flaged that as a NEW message and given the tiny community we 'live in' I always
> try to respond to the posts with whatever information I have that may help.
Anyway, yes, that is a long standing bug in Pronews, that I have seen from
time to time too. I'm sorry that I haven't (yet) sent a bug report to the developer(s)
about it - I should have done years ago.
Until fixed, watch out for the time stamp on 'New' msgs - _especially_ if these
pop up in the middle of a thread.
Alex Taylor
<dariusz@_NO-SPAM_mnsi.net> wrote:
> > > Appreciate the response, but is there any particular reason why people
> > > are suddenly replying to my two-year-old messages?
>
> flaged that as a NEW message and given the tiny community we 'live in' I
> always try to respond to the posts with whatever information I have that
> may help.
>
> Again...my appologies for brining this back to life...well, hopefully
> someone else out there can make use of it.