Earthlink DSL - How?
Lisa Greene
connection line. I'm not sure what the difference is there. I looked
at the vendors in my vicinity and Earthlink seems the most reasonable.
The equipment, connection and installation is free and the cost is
just $30 a month for the first six months then $50 after that. I have
to sign up for a year.
I'll have to have it installed using my roommate's WinXP but I
understand once I have the connection it is no problem getting my OS/2
system connected.
I have many questions. Can I just list them and those of you who know
an answer respond to them?
- Does a DSL line go through the phone or through a cable? Which
service is the faster more reliable one?
- If I get a cable line does Earthlink come out and install the cable
because I have no connection cable today, like cable TV?
- How do I connect my laptop (Dell & T23)? Does it require a special
connection of some kind? Do I need a special adapter for my laptop?
- The Earthlink salesman said he would supply me with a modem and an
installation kit. If I was unable to get it connected Earthlink would
come out and connect it for me. Why would I need a modem? Isn't it
built into my laptop?
- I want to connect to my company's network and Earthlink said I
would need a static IP address. Why?
- How is it connected software-wise? Do I just insert the telephone
or cable line then turn my laptop?
- Is anyone currently using Earthlink DSL with their laptop? Can you
help me out?
- Are there any websites or online guides established for installing
and setting up DSL under OS/2?
Any and all help would be very much appreciated. :-)
Lisa
Trevor Hemsley
Lisa...@yahoo.com (Lisa Greene) wrote:
> I've been wanting to change from a dialup to a DSL or cable internet
> connection line. I'm not sure what the difference is there. I looked
> at the vendors in my vicinity and Earthlink seems the most reasonable.
> The equipment, connection and installation is free and the cost is
> just $30 a month for the first six months then $50 after that. I have
> to sign up for a year.
>
> - Does a DSL line go through the phone or through a cable? Which
> service is the faster more reliable one?
DSL goes via your phone line. It works by using frequencies above the
range used by voice traffic for the data. You either have fitted a
special terminator on your phone line that contains a frequency
splitter or you have to buy a separate one and plug one into each
phone socket that you have. How this bit works depends on your
supplier and may vary from country to country - I'm in the UK so can
only say for definite what happens here.
> - How do I connect my laptop (Dell & T23)? Does it require a special
> connection of some kind? Do I need a special adapter for my laptop?
You need a DSL modem. This isn't a normal modem as such but does the
same job. You can get them in many different varieties - some use a
USB connection and these won't work with OS/2. Others use an ethernet
connection so it's one of these that would be best for OS/2 use since
you just use an existing ethernet port on your laptop (if it has one)
or buy an ethernet PCMCIA card.
> - The Earthlink salesman said he would supply me with a modem and an
> installation kit. If I was unable to get it connected Earthlink would
> come out and connect it for me. Why would I need a modem? Isn't it
> built into my laptop?
The modem you have built into the laptop will not be a DSL modem. If
you're lucky then you will have an ethernet port ready for connection
up to a DSL modem that has an ethernet connector.
> - I want to connect to my company's network and Earthlink said I
> would need a static IP address. Why?
That depends on how your company allows external connections. Some
don't care about what IP address a VPN tunnel is established from,
others do.
> - How is it connected software-wise? Do I just insert the telephone
> or cable line then turn my laptop?
You might want to read some of the DSL sites around. You can check
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/ but some of the information there is UK
specific since our DSL network is 99% done via British Telecom phone
lines and uses PPP over ATM. Other countries don't use PPPoA but PPP
over Ethernet (PPPoE). There are sites that deal with it the States
too. Most DSL ethernet routers handle the translation from PPPoA and
PPPoE to something that can be understood by OS/2's TCP/IP stack but
it's also possible to get DSL modems with ethernet interfaces that
just present the PPPoE to the client that's connected and then you
will need additional software on OS/2 to do the translation for you -
this does exist and is sold by the makers of Injoy I believe.
--
Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK.
Trevor-...@dial.pipex.com
Mark Klebanoff
wrote:
>
> - Does a DSL line go through the phone or through a cable? Which
> service is the faster more reliable one?
the phone. You'll have to install special filters on the other phones
on the line (provided by the DSL company or bought at a place like
Radio Shack)
>
> - If I get a cable line does Earthlink come out and install the cable
> because I have no connection cable today, like cable TV?
if it's DSL, it's phone
>
> - How do I connect my laptop (Dell & T23)? Does it require a special
> connection of some kind? Do I need a special adapter for my laptop?
usually an ethernet connection, sometimes a usb. If ethernet, you'll
need either a broadband router (Linksys or equivalent), or appropriate
software. if USB, you're probably out of luck with OS/2
>
> - The Earthlink salesman said he would supply me with a modem and an
> installation kit. If I was unable to get it connected Earthlink would
> come out and connect it for me. Why would I need a modem? Isn't it
> built into my laptop?
the DSL modem is different from a regular modem, and hooks into an
ethernet connection
>
> - I want to connect to my company's network and Earthlink said I
> would need a static IP address. Why?
>
> - How is it connected software-wise? Do I just insert the telephone
> or cable line then turn my laptop?
with DSL in the US, it's usually an interface called PPPoE. There's
an OS/2 PPPoE client available for around $25. The Linksys Broadband
router handles it as a hardware solution, and if you look around you
can find it for $50
>
It's generally remarkably easy
Martin Törnsten
""Mark Klebanoff" <maxi...@spamless.os2bbs.com> on channel comp.os.os2.misc ":
: On Fri, 23 May 2003 21:03:52 UTC, Lisa...@yahoo.com (Lisa Greene)
: wrote:
: > - How do I connect my laptop (Dell & T23)? Does it require a special
: > connection of some kind? Do I need a special adapter for my laptop?
:
: usually an ethernet connection, sometimes a usb. If ethernet, you'll
: need either a broadband router (Linksys or equivalent), or appropriate
: software. if USB, you're probably out of luck with OS/2
See the previous discussion on this (regarding eCS and DSL support).
It's not always the case, and it might actually be possible that her DSL
provider uses straight TCP/IP (and not packaged in PPP over ethernet or ATM).
In such cases she can (without buying extra software or hardware) use the DSL
modem directly with her OS/2 notebook (if it's a modern one it will already have
an ethernet connection build in).
: with DSL in the US, it's usually an interface called PPPoE. There's
: an OS/2 PPPoE client available for around $25. The Linksys Broadband
: router handles it as a hardware solution, and if you look around you
: can find it for $50
Personally I think the Netgear routers is both of very good quality and also
very cost effective. I can strongly recommend them.
Best regards,
martin törnsten
Mike Ruskai
>I've been wanting to change from a dialup to a DSL or cable internet
>connection line. I'm not sure what the difference is there. I looked
>at the vendors in my vicinity and Earthlink seems the most reasonable.
>The equipment, connection and installation is free and the cost is
>just $30 a month for the first six months then $50 after that. I have
>to sign up for a year.
>
>I'll have to have it installed using my roommate's WinXP but I
>understand once I have the connection it is no problem getting my OS/2
>system connected.
>
>I have many questions. Can I just list them and those of you who know
>an answer respond to them?
[snip questions already answered]
>- The Earthlink salesman said he would supply me with a modem and an
>installation kit. If I was unable to get it connected Earthlink would
>come out and connect it for me. Why would I need a modem? Isn't it
>built into my laptop?
OK, I have DSL from Sprint, which uses Earthlink as the ISP. Assuming
that Earthlink itself uses the same hardware setup (which is likely), then
they'll supply you with a ZyXel DSL router. The router handles the DSL
connection itself, and provides a single 10/100Base-T connection with a
built-in DHCP server.
If your laptop doesn't have an ethernet port built-in (most fairly new
ones do), you'll need a PCMCIA ethernet card.
The software configuration in OS/2 simply requires that you install the
appropriate network card driver, and enable DHCP for its interface.
>- I want to connect to my company's network and Earthlink said I
>would need a static IP address. Why?
That all depends on what exactly you mean by connecting to your company's
network. The only possible reason why you'd need a static IP (which is
just $5 a month extra, I believe) is if your company's firewall would need
to be modified to allow certain types of traffic from your address.
>- How is it connected software-wise? Do I just insert the telephone
>or cable line then turn my laptop?
The modem will come with a phone cord to use. Plug it directly into the
jack, or into the jack marked DSL on the wall filter, if you need to also
plug a phone into the same jack. You'll need to use the smaller single
filters for any other devices connected to the same line, to avoid
possible interference.
--
- Mike
Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.
Lisa Greene
questions. I believe I have a firmer grasp on DSL and have just a few
more questions. :-)
"Mike Ruskai" <spamten....@begonedynnaht.net> wrote in message news:<gunaalqrneguyvaxa...@newstest2.earthlink.net>...
> On 23 May 2003 14:03:52 -0700, Lisa Greene wrote:
>
> >I've been wanting to change from a dialup to a DSL or cable internet
> >connection line. I'm not sure what the difference is there. I looked
> >at the vendors in my vicinity and Earthlink seems the most reasonable.
> >The equipment, connection and installation is free and the cost is
> >just $30 a month for the first six months then $50 after that. I have
> >to sign up for a year.
> >
> >I'll have to have it installed using my roommate's WinXP but I
> >understand once I have the connection it is no problem getting my OS/2
> >system connected.
> >
> >I have many questions. Can I just list them and those of you who know
> >an answer respond to them?
> [snip questions already answered]
>
> >- The Earthlink salesman said he would supply me with a modem and an
> >installation kit. If I was unable to get it connected Earthlink would
> >come out and connect it for me. Why would I need a modem? Isn't it
> >built into my laptop?
>
> OK, I have DSL from Sprint, which uses Earthlink as the ISP. Assuming
> that Earthlink itself uses the same hardware setup (which is likely), then
> they'll supply you with a ZyXel DSL router. The router handles the DSL
> connection itself, and provides a single 10/100Base-T connection with a
> built-in DHCP server.
Whew! That's way over my head. In other responses it was suggested I
use a Linksys router. If the setup is like yours Mike, would I need
that additional router? I guess what I'm trying to avoid is having to
go out and buy additional programs/software to make it work under
OS/2. I will if I have to but I want to avoid having to configure and
set it up.
>
> If your laptop doesn't have an ethernet port built-in (most fairly new
> ones do), you'll need a PCMCIA ethernet card.
Yes, both laptops have an ethernet port built-in.
> The software configuration in OS/2 simply requires that you install the
> appropriate network card driver, and enable DHCP for its interface.
Ok, now I have to ask: is the software that must be configured already
in OS/2? Where is it and how do I configure it to install the
appropriate network card driver? If left on my own I guess I would
start "Selective Install" and see if that would take me to a DSL
option. I suppose the network card driver would come within the
package Earthlink sends? Or is it on the Warp 4.52 CD or one of those
several CDs IBM sent along with the Warp 4.52 package?
>
> >- I want to connect to my company's network and Earthlink said I
> >would need a static IP address. Why?
>
> That all depends on what exactly you mean by connecting to your company's
> network. The only possible reason why you'd need a static IP (which is
> just $5 a month extra, I believe) is if your company's firewall would need
> to be modified to allow certain types of traffic from your address.
I haven't asked my company about this yet so I'm not sure if I would
need a static IP necessarily.
>
> >- How is it connected software-wise? Do I just insert the telephone
> >or cable line then turn my laptop?
>
> The modem will come with a phone cord to use. Plug it directly into the
> jack, or into the jack marked DSL on the wall filter, if you need to also
> plug a phone into the same jack. You'll need to use the smaller single
> filters for any other devices connected to the same line, to avoid
> possible interference.
All I have is a single normal telephone wall connecton. The Earthlink
Salesman said it would take about two weeks before the DSL connection
was 'ready' because Earthlink would have to contact/coordinate with
SBC (formerly PacBell) and they would have to do something. Maybe SBC
would have to send someone to either replace my normal wall telephone
connection with one that can be used with DSL or send me a device that
I could connect myself? I don't mean to sound like a klutz and I'm
sure I do.
Another question for you: did you have to buy the PPoE software from
InJoy to make your connection work?
I really do appreciate everyone's time and thoughtful responses.
Thanks again.
Lisa
Pete
wrote:
---snip--
> > >I've been wanting to change from a dialup to a DSL or cable internet
> > >connection line. I'm not sure what the difference is there.
Speed. I downloaded Mozilla (15 MB) in about 2 minutes.
> > >I looked
> > >at the vendors in my vicinity and Earthlink seems the most reasonable.
> > >The equipment, connection and installation is free and the cost is
> > >just $30 a month for the first six months then $50 after that. I have
> > >to sign up for a year.
> > >
> > >I'll have to have it installed using my roommate's WinXP but I
> > >understand once I have the connection it is no problem getting my OS/2
> > >system connected.
If you both are going to use the connection, I recommend the
firewall/router (see link to article below). Using the setup desctibed
in the article, I connected three computers (OS/2, Linux, W98) and a
network printer to the router, and all three comuters can use the DSL
connection simutaneously. I signed up with sbcglobal using my W98
partition. I can't recall all the details, but it seems to me that all
that happened was that their installer tweaked all the windows network
and internet settings. I think it sent my NIC's MAC address to SBC, but
I can't really remember. I then copied all the necessary information
(the IP address numbers) to OS/2 manually.
> > >I have many questions. Can I just list them and those of you who know
> > >an answer respond to them?
> > [snip questions already answered]
> >
> > >- The Earthlink salesman said he would supply me with a modem and an
> > >installation kit. If I was unable to get it connected Earthlink would
> > >come out and connect it for me. Why would I need a modem? Isn't it
> > >built into my laptop?
A "user install" means you plug in the modem, plug your comuter into it,
and make the initial connection to the ISP. SBC supplied me with a
Westell DSL modem. The rest of the "kit" is a CD with an install
program which automates changing the networking properites with doze.
You plug a phone line into the DSL modem just like a regular one, and
the network cable into your NIC. You have to put special filters on all
the other phones and fax machines connected elsewhere to that line. You
can turn on the apparatus (computer, DSL modem, router) in any order.
> I guess what I'm trying to avoid is having to
> go out and buy additional programs/software to make it work under
> OS/2. I will if I have to but I want to avoid having to configure and
> set it up.
You may have to get a firewall, like injoy, unless you use a hardware
firewall. After reading this article, I got a router/firewall:
http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0400H/vnewsf2.htm and use no
firewall program in my computer. I found the router easier to set up
than injoy.
-- snip--
> Ok, now I have to ask: is the software that must be configured already
> in OS/2? Where is it and how do I configure it to install the
> appropriate network card driver? If left on my own I guess I would
> start "Selective Install" and see if that would take me to a DSL
> option. I suppose the network card driver would come within the
> package Earthlink sends? Or is it on the Warp 4.52 CD or one of those
> several CDs IBM sent along with the Warp 4.52 package?
Take a look at these VOICE articles:
http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0101H/vnewsf2.htm
http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0101H/vnewsf3.htm
http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0101H/vnewsf5.htm
> > >- I want to connect to my company's network and Earthlink said I
> > >would need a static IP address. Why?
> >
> > That all depends on what exactly you mean by connecting to your company's
> > network. The only possible reason why you'd need a static IP (which is
> > just $5 a month extra, I believe) is if your company's firewall would need
> > to be modified to allow certain types of traffic from your address.
>
> I haven't asked my company about this yet so I'm not sure if I would
> need a static IP necessarily.
Perhaps this is what a "traveling user" is all about. I do the same
thing with my company, which uses a M$ SNA server protocol. I dial in
to the account (at AT&T business) as a "traveling user", receiving a
different IP address each time, but I haven't yet figured out how to use
it with DSL, although I hear it's possible.
> > >- How is it connected software-wise? Do I just insert the telephone
> > >or cable line then turn my laptop?
> >
> > The modem will come with a phone cord to use. Plug it directly into the
> > jack, or into the jack marked DSL on the wall filter, if you need to also
> > plug a phone into the same jack. You'll need to use the smaller single
> > filters for any other devices connected to the same line, to avoid
> > possible interference.
>
> All I have is a single normal telephone wall connecton. The Earthlink
> Salesman said it would take about two weeks before the DSL connection
> was 'ready' because Earthlink would have to contact/coordinate with
> SBC (formerly PacBell) and they would have to do something.
They have to shuffle paperwork, and it does take about 2 weeks. Make
sure they don't start charging you until it starts functioning. I
caught sbcgobal charging me before the connection was usable.
> Maybe SBC
> would have to send someone to either replace my normal wall telephone
> connection with one that can be used with DSL
No
> or send me a device that
> I could connect myself?
Yes
> Another question for you: did you have to buy the PPoE software from
> InJoy to make your connection work?
Yes, unless you buy the hardware firewall/router. I tried injoy, but
now PPPoE on my system is handled by the router.
With a DSL connection, a firewall is recommended because it's "always
on", unlike dial-in. If you don't use a hardware firewall, then you
should have a software one in your system.
Also keep in mind that if you get Earthlink, it will use SBC's DSL
equipment, the same equipment which would serve you if you got sbc DSL
service.
Don't be put off by Earthlink saying they "don't support OS/2" because
once you get beyond the NIC in your computer, it's all "platform
independent". If you have problems with mail, look for help on setting
up Eudora.
Pete
--
Marty
> I really do appreciate everyone's time and thoughtful responses.
> Thanks again.
>
> Lisa
Just thought I'd let you folks know that this is "Tim" in drag (check
the NNTP-Posting-Host - proxy53.hud.gov - dead giveaway). Apparently he
feels he can't make on-topic postings under his "known" handle.
This is how he solicits help for the handful of schmucks who pay for his
subscription web site.
Game on.
The OS/2 Guy
You live in your own world Marty. She isn't a member of Warp City
at all (I think we have three female members, none of them named
Lisa Greene or coming from that IP address.)
You might check the eCS newsgroups. She could be an eCS Luser.
It is obvious to all here you eCS Lusers are determined to drive as
many OS/2 users away from OS/2 as possible.
But hey, don't answer her. I'll send her a private email and guide
her through the installation ensuring another OS/2 user gets a DSL
connection. If she pans out as a *real* OS/2 user I'll do a bit more
checking then offer her a free membership to Warp City so she
doesn't have to be harassed by you eCS Lusers in the newsgroups.
Now THAT's got to drive you nuts!
BTW, have you tried XNap and/or Limewire? Go here:
I've spent much of the day searching through various XNap directories
(you can
browse them with a click of a button) and find some of the strangest
stuff. One
thing that really cracks me up is to find an XNap user with a directory
of shareable
items (mostly MP3s) that are all Christian oriented. You know, "Jesus
Loves Me
This I Know...", etc.
Now here's the strange part. These users will also be offering, within
the same
shareable directory, porn MPGs and AVIs, photographs of their
girlfriends/boyfriends
naked, pdf and text files of 'hacker's guides' 'how to crack software'
and a variety
of other amazing stuff that no respecting 'church-goer' 'religious
zealot' would ever
admit to owning.
I crack up each time I see this.
BTW, if YOU are interested in browsing those same peer-to-peer
directories you can pick up the latest releases of XNap or LimeWire
here:
http://www.warpcity.com/XNap.Zip
and
http://www.warpcity.com/LimeWire.zip
Tim Martin, The OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site - http://www.warpcity.com
From his Warp 4.52 ThinkPad T40 w/2GIG of RAM,
80GIG of Hard Disk and IBM's Web Browser for OS/2
Marty
> Marty wrote:
>
>> "Lisa Greene" wrote:
>>
>>> I really do appreciate everyone's time and thoughtful responses.
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Lisa
>>
>> Just thought I'd let you folks know that this is "Tim" in drag (check
>> the NNTP-Posting-Host - proxy53.hud.gov - dead giveaway). Apparently
>> he feels he can't make on-topic postings under his "known" handle.
>>
>> This is how he solicits help for the handful of schmucks who pay for
>> his subscription web site.
>>
>> Game on.
>
> You live in your own world Marty. She isn't a member of Warp City
> at all
Of course not. She's made up.
> But hey, don't answer her. I'll send her a private email and guide
> her through the installation
That'll be hard for you to do, considering that you had to disguise your
name, and come hat-in-hand to the OS/2 newsgroups asking for help. But
knock yourself out.
[snip of irrelevant and - for some unknown reason - multi-posted nonsense]
Menno Willemse
Marty wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd let you folks know that this is "Tim" in drag (check
> the NNTP-Posting-Host - proxy53.hud.gov - dead giveaway). Apparently he
> feels he can't make on-topic postings under his "known" handle.
Be that as it may, this is some nice on-topic discussion that would not
benefit from being turned into a fscking Tim-Martin-fight-thread.
There's enough of those to enjoy (for those who enjoy it) over there on
cooa.
Also, I'm not sure how you figure that everyone posting through a proxy
of the US Housing department is in fact Tim Martin.
Game off, I'd say.
Cheers/2,
Menno
The OS/2 Guy
> Hello World,
>
> Marty wrote:
>
>> Just thought I'd let you folks know that this is "Tim" in drag
>
>
> benefit from being turned into a fscking Tim-Martin-fight-thread.
Personally I would prefer it that way. It keeps people with questions
about OS/2 coming to Warp City where they will be assured of
getting assistance AND it keeps Tim Martin, "The OS/2 Guy" in
the minds and subject lines of the OS/2 newsgroups.
In both instances the OS/2 community is helping Warp City
and The OS/2 Guy. THAT's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
Let's keep the DSL information out of the OS/2 newsgroups so
OS/2 users are forced to come to Warp City. I like that!
Marty
> Hello World,
>
> Marty wrote:
>
>> Just thought I'd let you folks know that this is "Tim" in drag (check
>> the NNTP-Posting-Host - proxy53.hud.gov - dead giveaway). Apparently
>> he feels he can't make on-topic postings under his "known" handle.
>
> Be that as it may, this is some nice on-topic discussion that would not
> benefit from being turned into a fscking Tim-Martin-fight-thread.
> There's enough of those to enjoy (for those who enjoy it) over there on
> cooa.
Just wanted to make sure that when the air vent blew air up "her" skirt,
nobody was surprised to see a bulge (albiet a rather insignificant one).
> Also, I'm not sure how you figure that everyone posting through a proxy
> of the US Housing department is in fact Tim Martin.
Whenever a new "character" shows up with an freebie e-mail address, it
usually is "Tim". The fact that "Tim's" cast of characters have tended
to us the HUD network was further confirmation. Also, check "her"
posting history in Google and notice that "she" was asking about XNap
and Limewire immediately before "Tim" started telling everyone how great
they are. Why didn't "Tim" come to her rescue and tell her how to
install them??
The OS/2 Guy
>
> Whenever a new "character" shows up with an freebie e-mail address, it
> usually is "Tim".
There you have it folks. Now you know why there are no new
OS/2 users. When they show up here seeking advice and
assistance, good 'ol Marty The Fat Mallard, starts calling 'em
names, claiming they have no credibility, and run them out
of the OS/2 newsgroups.
Way to go Fat Marty.
The fact that "Tim's" cast of characters have tended
> to us the HUD network was further confirmation.
The fact that Tim has never had access to the HUD network
proves the fallacy of your claim, huh?
> Also, check "her"
> posting history in Google
Aha! She HAS a history of posting. You can't have it both
ways Fat Mallard. Either these people have no history and
are figments of your imagination or they have a history of
asking questions, seeking answers, and participating in
discussions.
> and notice that "she" was asking about XNap
> and Limewire immediately before "Tim" started telling everyone how great
> they are. Why didn't "Tim" come to her rescue and tell her how to
> install them??
If I recall, Tim DID come to her rescue just as he has done with
many OS/2 users seeking to use the newer applications being
used under OS/2. In fact, here's the url:
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3E7EF969.9080602%40warpcity.com
BTW, did I mention our download stats for XNap and Limewire
are now over 60? Do you think those downloading the peer2peer
software are doing so because they look forward to being called
thieves by you eCS whiners? Here's hoping each and every one
of them downloads that so-called eCS Applications CD now
freely available to them.
http://www.warpcity.com/XNap.Zip
and
http://www.warpcity.com/LimeWire.zip
Tim Martin, The OS/2 Guy
Stilz
Marty wrote:
>
> Menno Willemse wrote:
> > Hello World,
> >
> > Marty wrote:
> >
> >> Just thought I'd let you folks know that this is "Tim" in drag (check
> >> the NNTP-Posting-Host - proxy53.hud.gov - dead giveaway). Apparently
> >> he feels he can't make on-topic postings under his "known" handle.
<snipped>
> > Also, I'm not sure how you figure that everyone posting through a proxy
> > of the US Housing department is in fact Tim Martin.
An interesting thing to do is to look at who else post thru HUD's West
coast gateways; they all look like TM. Perhaps he's the only one that
hasn't realized that since 9/11 the gov's started logging everything?
>
> Whenever a new "character" shows up with an freebie e-mail address, it
> usually is "Tim". The fact that "Tim's" cast of characters have tended
> to us the HUD network was further confirmation. Also, check "her"
> posting history in Google and notice that "she" was asking about XNap
> and Limewire immediately before "Tim" started telling everyone how great
> they are. Why didn't "Tim" come to her rescue and tell her how to
> install them??
He employ's these alternates to obtain a sense of fulfillment and from
time to time ask a real (to him anyway) question.
The OS/2 Guy
>
> Marty wrote:
>
>>Menno Willemse wrote:
>>
>>>Hello World,
>>>
>>>Marty wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Just thought I'd let you folks know that this is "Tim" in drag (check
>>>>the NNTP-Posting-Host - proxy53.hud.gov - dead giveaway). Apparently
>>>>he feels he can't make on-topic postings under his "known" handle.
>>>
>
> <snipped>
>
>
>>>Also, I'm not sure how you figure that everyone posting through a proxy
>>>of the US Housing department is in fact Tim Martin.
>>
>
> An interesting thing to do is to look at who else post thru HUD's West
> coast gateways; they all look like TM. Perhaps he's the only one that
> hasn't realized that since 9/11 the gov's started logging everything?
Why would I care? I don't work for the Government in any capacity
whatsoever. As far as I know many Government Agencies still use
or utilize OS/2. You have no proof or evidence of any kind that
would prove your facetious claim.
>
>>Whenever a new "character" shows up with an freebie e-mail address, it
>>usually is "Tim". The fact that "Tim's" cast of characters have tended
>>to us the HUD network was further confirmation. Also, check "her"
>>posting history in Google and notice that "she" was asking about XNap
>>and Limewire immediately before "Tim" started telling everyone how great
>>they are. Why didn't "Tim" come to her rescue and tell her how to
>>install them??
>
> He employ's these alternates to obtain a sense of fulfillment and from
> time to time ask a real (to him anyway) question.
Thank you Dr. Seuss, your diagnosis is just as ridiculous as you are.
I think what is most important here is that an OS/2 user, with a documented
history, who happens to be female, came in asking for help. Her post was
turned into nothing more then another whining attack by a pathetic fat
asshole
who can't stand the fact that others use and have success with OS/2.
I've offered my assistance to her privately. If she wants to take it,
it is available
to her. The rest of you can simply berate, attack, humiliate, degrade
and make
fun of her request and her presence. I think that act reveals the basis
behind
eCS' failure. It will never survive or even attract new eCS Lusers as
long as
you eCS fanatics relay on the tactics described above. I LOVE that! That
makes my job at exposing the problems, lies and distortions of eCS much
easier and drives as many potential eCS consumers back to IBM and OS/2,
where they belong.
Brad BARCLAY
Hi Lisa:
> I've been wanting to change from a dialup to a DSL or cable internet
> connection line. I'm not sure what the difference is there. I looked
> at the vendors in my vicinity and Earthlink seems the most reasonable.
> The equipment, connection and installation is free and the cost is
> just $30 a month for the first six months then $50 after that. I have
> to sign up for a year.
The difference between DSL and dial-up is in speed and availability.
Wheras a dilup connection only works when your "dialled up", DSL (and
cable) connections are "always on". If your computer is on, you can be
connected to the network. Additionally, the connection speed is quite a
bit faster.
> I'll have to have it installed using my roommate's WinXP but I
> understand once I have the connection it is no problem getting my OS/2
> system connected.
It shouldn't be -- but there are some things to watch out for, whihe
I'll detail below.
> I have many questions. Can I just list them and those of you who know
> an answer respond to them?
Sure. That's what Usenet is for, after all... :) .
> - Does a DSL line go through the phone or through a cable? Which
> service is the faster more reliable one?
DSL goes through your phone line. However, it uses a different set of
frequencies than are used for voice communications, so you can use your
DSL modem at the same time you're talking on the phone. From a usage
standpoint, it will appear as if you have two completely seperate
connections.
Cable (as in Cable TV cable) is a different type of connection that
achieves the same ends. The technology is different, and goes through
your cable TV connection. Cable generally has quite a bit more
bandwidth available in it than telephone wires do, so cable tends to be
faster than DSL in many areas.
A word of warning about DSL (and cable) modems -- make _absolutely_
sure that you get an "ethernet" based modem, and _not_ a USB-based
modem. Ethernet is a networking standard, wheras USB is not. This
becomes very important if you want to share the connection through
several computers, as home networking hardware is designed for ethernet
connections, and not USB connections.
> - If I get a cable line does Earthlink come out and install the cable
> because I have no connection cable today, like cable TV?
You'd have to check with them -- however, many places are known to
charge extra for such an installation, and you ofter get a bigger
monthly service bill for it if you don't already have cable TV setup. I
tend to prefer cable (as in my area its running straight TCP/IP over
ethernet frames, wheras DSL is using PPP over Ethernet, which tends to
require special software -- that and cable in my area is faster than the
inexpensive consumer DSL services, at about the same price point). If
you don't have cable coming into your place of residence, go with DSL
instead.
> - How do I connect my laptop (Dell & T23)? Does it require a special
> connection of some kind? Do I need a special adapter for my laptop?
You'll need a working ethernet connector on every system you want to
connect. Ethernet is the standard connector type for computer networks
these days, and adapters are inexpensive and readily available.
Many laptops have ethernet connectors built-in (as they're a must with
the business crowd) -- check to see if your do by looking for a port
that looks like a telephone jack, but wider. If you do, you already
have ethernet[1]. If not, you have two options.
The first is to buy a PC Card (aka PCMCIA card) ethernet adapter. Most
modern laptops accept PC Cards. This is the faster solution, but can
alse be a more expensive solution.
The second is to get a USB ethernet adapter. These are slower than
their PC Card counterparts, but are also much less expensive. They're
still generally faster than your DSL line will be, so you'll only notice
a speed difference if you intend to transfer information between your
laptops and other computers inside your home.
> - The Earthlink salesman said he would supply me with a modem and an
> installation kit. If I was unable to get it connected Earthlink would
> come out and connect it for me. Why would I need a modem? Isn't it
> built into my laptop?
DSL uses a completely different type of modem. It doesn't work in the
same way that your existing dial-up modem works (it's also much, much
faster). The technology is completely different, and thus the two
aren't interchangable. They're just two things with the same name :).
> - I want to connect to my company's network and Earthlink said I
> would need a static IP address. Why?
Talk to your systems administrators where you work. What Earthlink
told you way or may not be the case. When I worked for IBM, they
expected users to be on connections that used a dynamic IP, so they
worked with either static or dynamic IPs.
Don't take Earthlinks word for it -- talk to someone in your company
who knows about these things first. Chances are, if they support VPN
(Virtual Private Networking -- the most popular way of connecting to
corporate networks from the Internet), they will support connections
with a dynamic IP.
> - How is it connected software-wise? Do I just insert the telephone
> or cable line then turn my laptop?
First off, you'll need to make sure you have the proper networking
services installed on OS/2. If you're running OS/2 Warp Connect v3 or
later (including Warp v4, eComStation, the "Convienence Packs", etc.)
you should already have these installed. If you're still running OS/2
WARP v3, which only came with support for old-style dial-up connections,
you'll need to upgrade to a more recent version of OS/2 first.
Secondly, assuming the networking services (called "MPTS" for
"Multi-Protocol Transport Services") are installed, you'll need the
correct device driver for your ethernet network adapter installed.
Thus, if you have to buy an adapter, make sure you get one that has OS/2
support.
Once there two items are in place, you'll need to configure OS/2 for
the network connection. You'll need to bind the protocol you want to
use (which is TCP/IP) to the network adapter, and then go into OS/2's
TCP/IP Setup to configure the connection.
All of this is assuming you will be sharing the Internet connection
between your systems using a router (something I'll go into below). If
you plan on connecting your OS/2 system directly to the DSL modem, and
your DSL service uses a "PPP over Ethernet" protocol (aka PPPoE), you'll
need some additional connection software. FX Communications InJoy
Firewall Pro provides this functionality, as does ISDNPM and some other
packages available on the 'net.
However, I suggest investing in a hardware router than can take care of
all of this for you -- it will save you lots of time and aggrevation in
the long run, and will allow ALL of your systems to access the Internet
at the exact same time. A hardware router can talk to DSL and cable
connections that use either TCP/IP or PPPoE, and give all of your
computers a normal TCP/IP connection to the Internet, ridding you of the
need for extra software. The router will automatically handle
connecting to the network.
My personal favorite router is the LinkSys BEFSR41
(http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=34&scid=29&prid=20).
Setting it up is a breeze -- it's pretty much plug and play.
Configuration is done through any standard Web Browser (such as Mozilla,
IBM Web Browser, or Netscape), and it's completely cross-platform
enabled. You won't need any special software on your OS/2 system to
connect to it. This specific model has 4 network ports on it for
attaching computers (it has a seperate port for plugging in the DSL or
cable modem to it), so you can connect up to 4 computers to it at once
(it can be expanded to allow up to 253 computers to be online at once
through the use of network hubs!), ALL of which can be surfing the net,
checking e-mail, downloading file, etc. at the exact same time.
Setting some of this stuff up the first time can be a bit daunting if
you don't really know much about networking, but the good news is that
once it's connected, it will simply work. You won't have to worry about
diallers anymore, or getting busy signals during peak hours. You'll be
able to just turn on your computer and use the Internet, and you won't
have to worry about the modem, or the router, or anything else.
HTH!
Brad BARCLAY
---------------
Technical stuff that isn't really important, but present in case you're
interested:
[1] Technically, this isn't true. Later Token Ring adapters also use
the same plug type, however I don't know of any laptops that have a TR
adapter built into them. Token Ring is another networking standard, and
while the plug and cable types may be the same, they aren't compatible.
Thus, if you happen to have a PCMCIA networking card already, check to
make sure it's Ethernet and not TR. You generally can't buy TR cards in
stores anymore, so if you need to buy a card, you don't have to worry
about getting the wrong type.
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From the OS/2 WARP v4.5 Desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
The jSyncManager Project: http://www.jsyncmanager.org
Brad BARCLAY
Marty
> Marty wrote:
>
>> Whenever a new "character" shows up with an freebie e-mail address, it
>> usually is "Tim".
>
> There you have it folks. Now you know why there are no new
> OS/2 users.
Now Timmah... spreading FUD about OS/2... Tsk tsk.
> The fact that Tim has never had access to the HUD network
> proves the fallacy of your claim, huh?
Not at all. We've proven that you've spoofed several personnas through
the HUD network.
> Aha! She HAS a history of posting.
A "history" of one month, asking all the support questions that you
needed answered to get your touted "peer to peer" software running in
addition to other questions that people have presumedly paid you to answer.
> If I recall, Tim DID come to her rescue
Right. After 4 other people answered the question, Timmah parrotted the
answer. But really, you were just writing to yourself. It was a nice
touch, but still pretty obvious.
> BTW, did I mention our download stats for XNap and Limewire
> are now over 60?
Did anybody mention that they cared?
Stilz
The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>
> Stilz wrote:
> >
> > Marty wrote:
> >
> >>Menno Willemse wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hello World,
> >>>
> >>>Marty wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Just thought I'd let you folks know that this is "Tim" in drag (check
> >>>>the NNTP-Posting-Host - proxy53.hud.gov - dead giveaway). Apparently
> >>>>he feels he can't make on-topic postings under his "known" handle.
> >>>
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> >
> >>>Also, I'm not sure how you figure that everyone posting through a proxy
> >>>of the US Housing department is in fact Tim Martin.
> >>
> >
> > An interesting thing to do is to look at who else post thru HUD's West
> > coast gateways; they all look like TM. Perhaps he's the only one that
> > hasn't realized that since 9/11 the gov's started logging everything?
>
> Why would I care? I don't work for the Government in any capacity
> whatsoever. As far as I know many Government Agencies still use
> or utilize OS/2. You have no proof or evidence of any kind that
> would prove your facetious claim.
Did I say here that you work for the government?? I don't think I did,
either directly or indirectly. Thanks for the afirmation though
> >
> >>Whenever a new "character" shows up with an freebie e-mail address, it
> >>usually is "Tim". The fact that "Tim's" cast of characters have tended
> >>to us the HUD network was further confirmation. Also, check "her"
> >>posting history in Google and notice that "she" was asking about XNap
> >>and Limewire immediately before "Tim" started telling everyone how great
> >>they are. Why didn't "Tim" come to her rescue and tell her how to
> >>install them??
> >
> > He employ's these alternates to obtain a sense of fulfillment and from
> > time to time ask a real (to him anyway) question.
>
> Thank you Dr. Seuss, your diagnosis is just as ridiculous as you are.
Let's look at Lisa .... no, on second thought, I'll try and keep it REAL
simple so even you can understand. If I happen to use a word you don't
know, let me know and I'll help you out.
Take a look at -
and let us know if Lisa was impersonating you or if you we're
impersonating her that day.
By the way, the best flat screen I found is the 56" plasma
Samsun/Toshiba/LG has. The aspect ratio it self make things
interesting....
<snipped>
M