Notice To New OS/2 Users
OS2Guy
There are certain individuals who believe they have the right to spam
these newsgroups on behalf of a small, minor, third party propietary
software vendor, Serenity. They believe they can post commercial spam
to *REAL* OS/2 users and pretend it is 'ontopic'. Nothing could be
farther from the truth. The OS/2 Newsgroup Charter strictly forbids the
misuse of these newsgroups for commercial spamming purposes. These
groups are designated for posts about technical issues regarding OS/2
and not for any other product or vendor. If a user or would-be user
wants to know the difference between different revisions of OS/2, such
as OS/2 2.1, 2.11, 3.0, 4.0, Warp Server, and other IBM products,
including the 4.51 Convenience Package we, the *REAL* OS/2 users have
the right to give them the facts so they can make an informed choice.
Minor third party vendor (Serenity) products do not allow the running of
their proprietary software under non-eCS systems. Their promotions in
these newsgroups are clearly commercial spam and based entirely upon
facts distributed by Serenity themselves. Different *REAL* OS/2 users
have different *REAL* OS/2 needs and some may feel that the CP (IBM
Convenience Pack) is right for them while others do not. If the *REAL*
OS/2 facts are not readily available then *REAL* OS/2 users may end up
making the wrong choice and believing the commercial spam posted by a
small band of radical Microsoft thugs.
Some ways in which these thugs try to censor and harm these groups
include spreading lies and misinformation about IBM. This is often down
by Serenity salesmen, investors and boosters and are centered on 'the
death of OS/2' and the failure of IBM to publicly release their OS/2
plans, product content, product availability and useability. By
insulting, abusing and defaming *REAL* OS/2 users these interlopers are
obviously abusing these OS/2 newsgroups. They can be reported to their
ISP's by complaint to the abuse department of each ISP. eCS salesmen
who claim purchasing eCS is helping OS/2 are providing false
and misleading information. eCS is not eCS/2 nor is it eComStation for
OS/2. All software that accompanies an eCS purchase can only be run on
an eCS system despite the claims by eCS salesman that such software can
be run *legally* under a non-eCS system.
If you find eCS spam we, the *REAL* OS/2 users, encourage you to report
them directly to their ISPs. We seek your help and assistance in
cleaning these newsgroups of eCS and Serenity commercial spam.
I also urge you to ignore the off-topic postings of eCS salesmen,
investors, and boosters who try intimidate, attack, harass any *REAL*
OS/2 user and to not post replies to them but to report them
immediately to the abuse officials of their ISP.
Let's see that these groups remain readable for ALL *REAL* OS/2 users
and not misused by a small band of thugs who are determined to kill off
OS/2 as we know it and turn OS/2 users into 'former' OS/2 users. To
that end I will post this message on an "as needed" basis dependent upon
the eCS commercial spam that appears here.
As others have said, if you feel you do need to reply then put "eCS FUD"
in the subject of your post so others may filter out these messages and
*REAL* OS/2 users may be able to gather them up quickly and easily for
submission to abuse officials at the eCS poster's ISP.
Happy OS/2 Days Are Here Again!
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
Jason Bowen
words :
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=os2guy+stanford&hl=en&rnum=2&selm=3B513A83.2122F6AD%40Colorado.EDU
Also, he claims that I was reprimanded when he tried to claim that I
cracked Warp City yet he can't explain away the following letter nor can
he seem to contact ab...@colorado.edu to tell them that I'm lying about
what they wrote him. Poor Timmy shown to be a chronic liar.
If this is a fake email report me to ab...@colorado.edu and let them
know that I'm lying about the letter they sent you regarding me.
Date Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:29:54 -0600 (MDT)
From Donna
To Jason
Subject Re: abuse archives
Parts Message Source
I have the complaints from the warpcity person/people. I've asked Linda
about publishing the abuse response to these, and she hasn't decided yet
whether that would be OK or not. If you do decide to pursue this through
legal channels, we would definitely provide my response to the police.
I'll let you know Linda's decision . . .
Jason, here's the response from Linda. I've forwarded her the pertinent
information so that she knows what the request is and the reason for it.
Donna
Forwarded message:
> From Wed Apr 18 08:51:53 2001
> Message-ID: <>
> From: Linda
> To: "'Donna
> Cc: "Mjc (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: warpcity stuff again (fwd)
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:54:00 -0600
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> If Jason wants this material, he must request it through the open records
> policy. To do that, he'll go to the Chancellor's office, pay the
> administrative fee, and get the paperwork. Once that is completed and
turned
> in, it will pass through Legal Counsel to make sure it is an appropriate
> release of information. If they say yes, then we can provide the email to
> Jason.
> -Linda
Andrew J. Brehm
> Notice to new users entering the OS/2 newsgroups.
Thank you.
> There are certain individuals who believe they have the right to spam
> these newsgroups on behalf of a small, minor, third party propietary
> software vendor, Serenity.
This is comp.os.os2.*, Serenity is an OS/2 vendor, I have not seen many
people post on behalf of that company, and I have only seen Bob St. John
replying to you or others setting things right when you lied or were
mistaken.
> They believe they can post commercial spam to *REAL* OS/2 users and
> pretend it is 'ontopic'.
I have not seen them posting commercial spam. They seem to talk about
that product of Serenity System's quite a bit though.
> Nothing could be farther from the truth.
I can see you.
> The OS/2 Newsgroup Charter strictly forbids the misuse of these
> newsgroups for commercial spamming purposes.
And apparently that includes correcting your lies about OS/2-related
products?
> These groups are designated for posts about technical issues regarding
> OS/2 and not for any other product or vendor.
*.advocacy is abouzt technical issued?
That reminds me, you should really get better informed. Serenity is
marketing OS/2, not "any other product".
> If a user or would-be user wants to know the difference between
> different
> revisions of OS/2, such as OS/2 2.1, 2.11, 3.0, 4.0, Warp Server, and
> other IBM products, including the 4.51 Convenience Package we, the
> *REAL*
> OS/2 users have the right to give them the facts so they can make an
> informed choice.
Certainly. And feel free to point users to the only source of new OS/2
3.5.1 licences that do not require them to first buy an outdated product
and then subscribe to some IBM customer program.
> Minor third party vendor (Serenity) products do not allow the running of
> their proprietary software under non-eCS systems.
I don't think their proprietary software ("proprietary" as opposed to
what other kind of software?) can be obtained without eCS, at least not
with that restriction built-in. So where is the issue?
> Their promotions in these newsgroups are clearly commercial spam
"They" (Bob St. John) do not "promote" their product, they advocate it.
This is comp.os.os2.ADVOCACY. You will just have to accept that
advocates of current OS/2 releases will write about them.
> and
> based entirely upon facts distributed by Serenity themselves.
That is correct.
> Different *REAL* OS/2 users
> have different *REAL* OS/2 needs and some may feel that the CP (IBM
> Convenience Pack) is right for them while others do not.
Certainly.
> If the *REAL*
> OS/2 facts are not readily available then *REAL* OS/2 users may end up
> making the wrong choice and believing the commercial spam posted by a
> small band of radical Microsoft thugs.
Feel free to provide these "*REAL* OS/2 facts". So far I have seen you
posting stuff without source, while Bob St. John and others pointed me
to IBM's articles regarding the issues they talk about.
> Some ways in which these thugs try to censor and harm these groups
> include spreading lies and misinformation about IBM. This is often down
> by Serenity salesmen, investors and boosters and are centered on 'the
> death of OS/2'
They market OS/2 because they want it to die?
> and the failure of IBM to publicly release their OS/2
> plans, product content, product availability and useability. By
> insulting, abusing and defaming *REAL* OS/2 users these interlopers are
> obviously abusing these OS/2 newsgroups. They can be reported to their
> ISP's by complaint to the abuse department of each ISP. eCS salesmen
> who claim purchasing eCS is helping OS/2 are providing false
> and misleading information. eCS is not eCS/2 nor is it eComStation for
> OS/2. All software that accompanies an eCS purchase can only be run on
> an eCS system despite the claims by eCS salesman that such software can
> be run *legally* under a non-eCS system.
I think you are being somewhat unclear here.
The software that comes with eCS under OEM licences cannot legally be
run on other releases of OS/2. I think that is correct. And I think if
Serenity says so, that is just fine.
However, the non-OEM-versions of the same software can usually be bought
or registered elsewhere and can be run legally under any release of
OS/2.
> If you find eCS spam we, the *REAL* OS/2 users, encourage you to report
> them directly to their ISPs. We seek your help and assistance in
> cleaning these newsgroups of eCS and Serenity commercial spam.
Yes! Voice your opinion, *REAL* OS/2 users. Sign Tim's newsgroup
petition.
Reply to this posting and let us know your numbers and your strength.
> I also urge you to ignore the off-topic postings of eCS salesmen,
> investors, and boosters who try intimidate, attack, harass any *REAL*
> OS/2 user and to not post replies to them but to report them
> immediately to the abuse officials of their ISP.
Name three *REAL* OS/2 users who were harassed by eCS people.
> Let's see that these groups remain readable for ALL *REAL* OS/2 users
> and not misused by a small band of thugs who are determined to kill off
> OS/2 as we know it and turn OS/2 users into 'former' OS/2 users. To
> that end I will post this message on an "as needed" basis dependent upon
> the eCS commercial spam that appears here.
They will remain readible because of the new FUD4 tag.
> As others have said, if you feel you do need to reply then put "eCS FUD"
> in the subject of your post so others may filter out these messages and
> *REAL* OS/2 users may be able to gather them up quickly and easily for
> submission to abuse officials at the eCS poster's ISP.
As _what_ others have said?
Point me to two postings of people who have proposed the tag "eCS FUD".
> Happy OS/2 Days Are Here Again!
>
> The OS/2 Guy
> Warp City
Now that you have a new buyable release...
--
Fan of Woody Allen
PowerPC User
Supporter of Pepperoni Pizza
Tim Smith
>misuse of these newsgroups for commercial spamming purposes. These
>groups are designated for posts about technical issues regarding OS/2
>and not for any other product or vendor. If a user or would-be user
You are claiming that a .advocacy group is for technical issues?
--Tim Smith
G. Wayne Hines
wrote:
> OS2Guy <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>
> > OS/2. All software that accompanies an eCS purchase can only be run on
> > an eCS system despite the claims by eCS salesman that such software can
> > be run *legally* under a non-eCS system.
>
> I think you are being somewhat unclear here.
No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
"straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
> > I also urge you to ignore the off-topic postings of eCS salesmen,
> > investors, and boosters who try intimidate, attack, harass any *REAL*
> > OS/2 user and to not post replies to them but to report them
> > immediately to the abuse officials of their ISP.
>
> Name three *REAL* OS/2 users who were harassed by eCS people.
Tim's got this wrong, too. He's the one who's been harrassing
anyone who dares mention eCS in their postings.
> > Let's see that these groups remain readable for ALL *REAL* OS/2 users
> > and not misused by a small band of thugs who are determined to kill off
> > OS/2 as we know it and turn OS/2 users into 'former' OS/2 users. To
"thugs who are determined to kill off OS/2" seems to perfectly
describe Tim Martin. The people who have bought eCS are buying
and registering OS/2 software, and don't advocate software
piracy. They're also trying to help others with some technical
glitches that may arise, just like OS/2 users on other
newsgroups.
gwh
--
# G. Wayne Hines Kentville, Nova Scotia, Canada
#
# w.d....@ns.sympatico.ca
#
# Windows: A rich man's poor excuse for an operating system
#
David T. Johnson
Jason Bowen
David T. Johnson <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>G. Wayne Hines wrote:
>
>
>>
>> No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
>> impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
>> "straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
>>
>>
>
>Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
>version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
>
>and IBM Web Browser
>
>
Weren't you advocating the purchase of MCP as a client when in fact you
need to have Warp 4 to purchase it? Surely you'd have no problem copying
eCS Clock and running it on your OS/2 system, after all it's only a
license that keeps it from runing on non-eCS systems.
Andrew J. Brehm
> G. Wayne Hines wrote:
>
>
> >
> > No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
> > impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
> > "straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
> >
> >
>
> Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
> version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
Where exactly is the problem you have with that?
David T. Johnson
David T. Johnson
I will ignore your personal attack and your digression into off-topic
MCP licensing issues for the moment.
Are you claiming that only eCS licensing issues prevent eCS Clock from
running on an OS/2 system? Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an
OS/2 system? Is there a version of "eCS Clock" (perhaps named 'OS/2
Clock?') that can be purchased that will run on an OS/2 system?
Jason Bowen
David T. Johnson <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>Jason Bowen wrote:
>
>> In article <3C02674F...@isomedia.com>,
>> David T. Johnson <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> G. Wayne Hines wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
>>>> impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
>>>> "straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
>>> version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.51
>>> and IBM Web Browser
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Weren't you advocating the purchase of MCP as a client when in fact you
>> need to have Warp 4 to purchase it? Surely you'd have no problem copying
>> eCS Clock and running it on your OS/2 system, after all it's only a
>> license that keeps it from runing on non-eCS systems.
>
>
>I will ignore your personal attack and your digression into off-topic
>MCP licensing issues for the moment.
>
You really are full of persecution aren't you? You compared eCS to MCP,
they aren't the same thing, one can only assume that you were advocating
MCP as a client solution or else you were making irrlevant comparisons,
which is it.
>Are you claiming that only eCS licensing issues prevent eCS Clock from
>running on an OS/2 system? Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an
>OS/2 system? Is there a version of "eCS Clock" (perhaps named 'OS/2
>Clock?') that can be purchased that will run on an OS/2 system?
>
Is eCS clock licensed to run on non-eCS systems?
David T. Johnson
> In article <3C027404...@isomedia.com>,
> David T. Johnson <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>
>> Jason Bowen wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In article <3C02674F...@isomedia.com>,
>>> David T. Johnson <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> G. Wayne Hines wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
>>>>> impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
>>>>> "straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
>>>> version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.51
>>>> and IBM Web Browser
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Weren't you advocating the purchase of MCP as a client when in fact you
>>> need to have Warp 4 to purchase it? Surely you'd have no problem copying
>>> eCS Clock and running it on your OS/2 system, after all it's only a
>>> license that keeps it from runing on non-eCS systems.
>>
>>
>> I will ignore your personal attack and your digression into off-topic
>> MCP licensing issues for the moment.
>>
>
>
> You really are full of persecution aren't you?
Another personal attack which I will also ignore...
> You compared eCS to MCP,
> they aren't the same thing, one can only assume that you were advocating
> MCP as a client solution or else you were making irrlevant comparisons,
> which is it.
Please refer to the original topic above which concerned the running of
"the software that comes with eCS (in this case, 'eCS Clock' on a
"straight OS/2" system."
>
>
>> Are you claiming that only eCS licensing issues prevent eCS Clock from
>> running on an OS/2 system? Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an
>> OS/2 system? Is there a version of "eCS Clock" (perhaps named 'OS/2
>> Clock?') that can be purchased that will run on an OS/2 system?
>>
>
>
> Is eCS clock licensed to run on non-eCS systems?
This is irrelevant to my three questions above (that you have not answered.)
Jason Bowen
David T. Johnson <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>Jason Bowen wrote:
>
>> In article <3C027404...@isomedia.com>,
>> David T. Johnson <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jason Bowen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article <3C02674F...@isomedia.com>,
>>>> David T. Johnson <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> G. Wayne Hines wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
>>>>>> impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
>>>>>> "straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
>>>>> version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.51
>>>>> and IBM Web Browser
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Weren't you advocating the purchase of MCP as a client when in fact you
>>>> need to have Warp 4 to purchase it? Surely you'd have no problem copying
>>>> eCS Clock and running it on your OS/2 system, after all it's only a
>>>> license that keeps it from runing on non-eCS systems.
>>>
>>>
>>> I will ignore your personal attack and your digression into off-topic
>>> MCP licensing issues for the moment.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You really are full of persecution aren't you?
>
>Another personal attack which I will also ignore...
>
You didn't though...
>> You compared eCS to MCP,
>> they aren't the same thing, one can only assume that you were advocating
>> MCP as a client solution or else you were making irrlevant comparisons,
>> which is it.
>
>Please refer to the original topic above which concerned the running of
>"the software that comes with eCS (in this case, 'eCS Clock' on a
>"straight OS/2" system."
>
It's quite relevant as you have advocated the purchasing of software not
licensed for the use you have asked about.
>
>>
>>
>>> Are you claiming that only eCS licensing issues prevent eCS Clock from
>>> running on an OS/2 system? Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an
>>> OS/2 system? Is there a version of "eCS Clock" (perhaps named 'OS/2
>>> Clock?') that can be purchased that will run on an OS/2 system?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Is eCS clock licensed to run on non-eCS systems?
>
>This is irrelevant to my three questions above (that you have not answered.)
>
Actually it is quite relevant, how can somebody answer that question
legally David? What are you trying to ellicit?
Martin Nisshagen
"David T. Johnson" <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote in message
news:3C0272A0...@isomedia.com...
: >> Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
: >> version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
: >
: > Where exactly is the problem you have with that?
:
: I'm not sure that I understand your question. Either you are assuming a
: negative answer to my original questions and are then attempting to ask
: why that is significant or you are asking about the specific problem
: that occurs if eCS Clock is attempted to be run on an OS/2 system. Have
: you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system?
Just a (perhaps for some) small point; why should anyone try to do something
which is an illegal activity to do and a clear violence of the agreement one has
signed?
Best regards,
m a r t i n | n
David T. Johnson
Incorrect.
>
>
>>> You compared eCS to MCP,
>>> they aren't the same thing, one can only assume that you were advocating
>>> MCP as a client solution or else you were making irrlevant comparisons,
>>> which is it.
>>
>> Please refer to the original topic above which concerned the running of
>> "the software that comes with eCS (in this case, 'eCS Clock' on a
>> "straight OS/2" system."
>>
>
>
> It's quite relevant as you have advocated the purchasing of software not
> licensed for the use you have asked about.
Incorrect. No advocacy was made for purchasing software. No comment
was made regarding licensing. Please refer to the original topic above.
>
>
>>>
>>>> Are you claiming that only eCS licensing issues prevent eCS Clock from
>>>> running on an OS/2 system? Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an
>>>> OS/2 system? Is there a version of "eCS Clock" (perhaps named 'OS/2
>>>> Clock?') that can be purchased that will run on an OS/2 system?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is eCS clock licensed to run on non-eCS systems?
>>
>> This is irrelevant to my three questions above (that you have not answered.)
>>
>
>
>
> Actually it is quite relevant, how can somebody answer that question
> legally David?
Are you familiar with the relevant licensing terms? If so, please state
those which support your statement.
> What are you trying to ellicit?
My dictionary does not have the word 'ellicit' and your question seems
to illogically presuppose something related to it. As usual, you are
unable to offer any useful information or commentary on the use or
functional limitations of the 'eCS Clock' application in either eCS or
OS/2 which was, after all, the topic. You have not contributed a single
relevant or appropriate comment in several attempts in this thread. You
have personally attacked me twice and you seem to be wanting to do
nothing here but wander off into your usual boring personal denigrations
and exchanges so I will let you have the remainder of this subthread to
yourself.
>
>
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.51
>>>> and IBM Web Browser
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.51
>> and IBM Web Browser
>>
>>
--
Jason Bowen
If you ignored it you wouldn't comment on it.
>>
>>
>>>> You compared eCS to MCP,
>>>> they aren't the same thing, one can only assume that you were advocating
>>>> MCP as a client solution or else you were making irrlevant comparisons,
>>>> which is it.
>>>
>>> Please refer to the original topic above which concerned the running of
>>> "the software that comes with eCS (in this case, 'eCS Clock' on a
>>> "straight OS/2" system."
>>>
>>
>>
>> It's quite relevant as you have advocated the purchasing of software not
>> licensed for the use you have asked about.
>
>Incorrect. No advocacy was made for purchasing software. No comment
>was made regarding licensing. Please refer to the original topic above.
>
Are you asking about running software licensed to run on one package to
run on another package for which it isn't licensed? The answer is yes.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Are you claiming that only eCS licensing issues prevent eCS Clock from
>>>>> running on an OS/2 system? Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an
>>>>> OS/2 system? Is there a version of "eCS Clock" (perhaps named 'OS/2
>>>>> Clock?') that can be purchased that will run on an OS/2 system?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is eCS clock licensed to run on non-eCS systems?
>>>
>>> This is irrelevant to my three questions above (that you have not answered.)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually it is quite relevant, how can somebody answer that question
>> legally David?
>
>Are you familiar with the relevant licensing terms? If so, please state
>those which support your statement.
>
Are you going to claim that you can take any part of eCS and run it
elsewhere?
>> What are you trying to ellicit?
>
>My dictionary does not have the word 'ellicit' and your question seems
>to illogically presuppose something related to it. As usual, you are
>unable to offer any useful information or commentary on the use or
>functional limitations of the 'eCS Clock' application in either eCS or
>OS/2 which was, after all, the topic. You have not contributed a single
>relevant or appropriate comment in several attempts in this thread. You
>have personally attacked me twice and you seem to be wanting to do
>nothing here but wander off into your usual boring personal denigrations
>and exchanges so I will let you have the remainder of this subthread to
>yourself.
>
Boohoo I mispelled. Why are you asking to run software licesned for an
intended target on another target? Don't worry David, it's obvious that
you are tying to tie this into making eCS different from OS/2. Here is a
real path you should be taking : Will eCS run on OS/2 and if not why won't
it? For instance did they modify OS/2, your obvious belief, or does it
require libraries that don't ship with OS/2. For instance SS installs
libraries that it needs but you don't call it non-OS/2 software do you
even though it couldn't run on OS/2 without those libraries it installed.
Instead I'm sure you keep trying to ask people to run a piece of software
illegally, that is why you and Tim get along so well.
David T. Johnson
Roderick Klein
OS2Guy wrote:
> Notice to new users entering the OS/2 newsgroups.
Yes Tim thanks for the notice and posting things which are not true, time to
put the record straight.
> There are certain individuals who believe they have the right to spam
> these newsgroups on behalf of a small, minor, third party propietary
> software vendor, Serenity. They believe they can post commercial spam
> to *REAL* OS/2 users and pretend it is 'ontopic'. Nothing could be
> farther from the truth. The OS/2 Newsgroup Charter strictly forbids the
> misuse of these newsgroups for commercial spamming purposes. These
> groups are designated for posts about technical issues regarding OS/2
> and not for any other product or vendor. If a user or would-be user
> wants to know the difference between different revisions of OS/2, such
> as OS/2 2.1, 2.11, 3.0, 4.0, Warp Server, and other IBM products,
> including the 4.51 Convenience Package we, the *REAL* OS/2 users have
> the right to give them the facts so they can make an informed choice.
Yes an informed choice dear reader. And since Mr Martin is hiding the fact
the eComStation is an OEM version of OS/2
(now geeeeh, what is that file os2krnl in the root here). So you can add
that to the list of *real* OS/2 versions...
> Minor third party vendor (Serenity) products do not allow the running of
> their proprietary software under non-eCS systems. Their promotions in
> these newsgroups are clearly commercial spam and based entirely upon
> facts distributed by Serenity themselves.
Well as long as you keep telling things that are not true, yes then eCS
continues to be discussed...
> Different *REAL* OS/2 users
> have different *REAL* OS/2 needs and some may feel that the CP (IBM
> Convenience Pack) is right for them while others do not. If the *REAL*
> OS/2 facts are not readily available then *REAL* OS/2 users may end up
> making the wrong choice and believing the commercial spam posted by a
> small band of radical Microsoft thugs.
Well just to inform everybody that www.ecomstation.com runs OS/2 (or eCS...)
and
www.warpcity.com runs on some unix based OS, I think it was FreeBSD....
Besides this when Mr Martin makes a post in which he states things which are
not true
then a response is justified....
> Some ways in which these thugs try to censor and harm these groups
> include spreading lies and misinformation about IBM. This is often down
> by Serenity salesmen, investors and boosters and are centered on 'the
> death of OS/2' and the failure of IBM to publicly release their OS/2
> plans, product content, product availability and useability. By
> insulting, abusing and defaming *REAL* OS/2 users these interlopers are
> obviously abusing these OS/2 newsgroups. They can be reported to their
> ISP's by complaint to the abuse department of each ISP. eCS salesmen
> who claim purchasing eCS is helping OS/2 are providing false
> and misleading information. eCS is not eCS/2 nor is it eComStation for
> OS/2. All software that accompanies an eCS purchase can only be run on
> an eCS system despite the claims by eCS salesman that such software can
> be run *legally* under a non-eCS system.
Mr Martin got it all wrong... There is software which is licensed to be
included with eCS....
Like eStyler light, Wisemachine and other improvements... You buy this
software which is part of eCS...
If you want to have it as a seperated prodoct buy it via one of the
websites....
> If you find eCS spam we, the *REAL* OS/2 users, encourage you to report
> them directly to their ISPs. We seek your help and assistance in
> cleaning these newsgroups of eCS and Serenity commercial spam.
Well if there is anybody who wants to file a complained against Tim Martin:
X-Complaints-To: ab...@prserv.net
Remeber to post the full header....
> also urge you to ignore the off-topic postings of eCS salesmen,
> investors, and boosters who try intimidate, attack, harass any *REAL*
> OS/2 user and to not post replies to them but to report them
> immediately to the abuse officials of their ISP.
Well maybe people should also post a complaint about a poster who spreads
lies about OS/2 and eCS ?
> Let's see that these groups remain readable for ALL *REAL* OS/2 users
> and not misused by a small band of thugs who are determined to kill off
> OS/2 as we know it and turn OS/2 users into 'former' OS/2 users. To
> that end I will post this message on an "as needed" basis dependent upon
> the eCS commercial spam that appears here.
Gosh, *YOU* market me as an eCS salesman, but what does the header say of my
posting...
Mmmm strange it says I use OS/2.....
> As others have said, if you feel you do need to reply then put "eCS FUD"
> in the subject of your post so others may filter out these messages and
> *REAL* OS/2 users may be able to gather them up quickly and easily for
> submission to abuse officials at the eCS poster's ISP.
>
> Happy OS/2 Days Are Here Again!
They happy days where here and will also remain here... With Os/2 and eCS..
> The OS/2 Guy
> Warp City
Thanks Tim...
Roderick
G. Wayne Hines
<djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
> G. Wayne Hines wrote:
>
>
> >
> > No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
> > impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
> > "straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
> >
> >
>
> Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
> version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
Haven't tried. I might try on the weekend, if I have time. I
don't know...maybe not.
Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
well under OS/2.
OS2Guy
> OS2Guy <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> > > OS/2. All software that accompanies an eCS purchase can only be run on
> > > an eCS system despite the claims by eCS salesman that such software can
> > > be run *legally* under a non-eCS system.
> >
> > I think you are being somewhat unclear here.
>
> No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
> impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
> "straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
This is a lie, of course. No where have I ever said it was "technically
impossible". What I have said and will continue to say is that you cannot
legally run any of the bundled software that comes with eCS on a non-eCS
system.
You, OTOH, as well as many eCS salesmen have been advocating software piracy by
implying it is legal to run the programs that comes with an eCS package on a
'straight' (i.e., NON-eCS) system.
eCS is not OS/2 by any means. eCS simply uses OS/2 as a base operating
system. eCS can use ONLY operating system as a base operating system and
Serenity officials have stated they plan on dropping OS/2 and moving to other
operating systems in the future, primarily WindowsX.
Bob St.John
"G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
> > Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
> > version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
>
> Haven't tried. I might try on the weekend, if I have time. I
> don't know...maybe not.
>
> Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> well under OS/2.
And some of the software on the CDs can be run anywhere the user chooses.
No restrictions. The eCS Clock, however .. is eCS only. Serenity Systems
pays the author Mark Eckstein, who also publishes the OS/2 Clock.
Some authors want their product "protected" so as not to harm sales. In
the case, Mark does not want the eCS clock used in place of the OS/2
clock. HOBLink X/11 is an OS/2 application, but the copy which comes with
eCS is restricted to eCS ... same reason. Same with eStyler and Styler/2.
What this allows Serenity Systems to do is provide a lot of value and
function in a product at low cost. Users who want the function, but not
eCS, can buy the OS/2 version of the application.
But DTJ and TM have been down this road before in earlier discussions
about these same applications. Heard it all before. Why raise it again? I
guess they simply enjoy eCS threads.
Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems
OS2Guy
> Just a (perhaps for some) small point; why should anyone try to do something
> which is an illegal activity to do and a clear violence of the agreement one has
> signed?
Actually Martin, a GREAT many eCS salesmen, boosters and investors are literally
advocating the piracy of all bundled software that comes with eCS by claiming it can
*legally* be run on a non-eCS system.
It cannot of course - but when it comes to fudding, fudging, lying, posting false
information or misnomer marketing promotions about eCS then eCS salesmen, boosters
and investors have no problem advocating the piracy of any software that accompanies
an eCS package.
Thieves. Dirty rotten thieves.
Stilz
Has TM ever had complaints lodged against him at his isp
in the past?
In attempting to profile the personality expressed here
within (a hobby), I can't help but wonder the cause. Still,
it does lend itself to an interesting, and usually humorous,
study in learned helplessness brought forth by the demonstration
of his histrionic tendencies.
An off-line reply is welcome.
Mike Stilz
Roderick Klein wrote:
>
> OS2Guy wrote:
>
> > Notice to new users entering the OS/2 newsgroups.
>
> Yes Tim thanks for the notice and posting things which are not true, time to
> put the record straight.
>
> major snip <
>
> Thanks Tim...
>
> Roderick
OS2Guy
> "G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
>
> > > Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
> > > version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
> >
> > Haven't tried. I might try on the weekend, if I have time. I
> > don't know...maybe not.
> >
> > Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> > eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> > well under OS/2.
>
> And some of the software on the CDs can be run anywhere the user chooses.
> No restrictions.
Here Boob St. John of Serenity is advocating the theft of eCS bundled software
for use "anywhere the user chooses". Serenity encourages software piracy then
complains when they are caught doing so. eCS bundled software - ALL OF IT -
can only be used on an eCS system. Any advocacy of using that eCS bundled
software anywhere else is advocacy of software piracy. Plain and simple -
these people are thieves, dirty rotten software thieves.
> The eCS Clock, however .. is eCS only.
I think this pretty much tells the OS/2 community why the eCS salesmen,
investors and booster end up with "blue ball". Serenity has each and every
one of them by the balls.
OS2Guy
> Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> well under OS/2.
Again, you continue to repeat this lie. You can't find ONE post where I
make such a claim. What I say is that ALL the BUNDLED software that comes
with an eCS package can be run ONLY on an eCS system. NOT on anything BUT
an eCS system.
You, and many other eCS salesmen, boosters and investors, including Boob
St. John himself, hide that fact and tell potential customers they can
*LEGALLY* run the bundled software anywhere they want. That's advocating
software piracy and you know it.
eCS Thieves. Dirty Rotten Thieves.
OS2Guy
> Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> well under OS/2.
This is a lie, of course, and you can't provide one post from me that
makes such a claim.
What you are claiming here is that "the software the comes with eCS" can
be used on NON-eCS systems. You are literally advocating the purchase of
an eCS package for the primary purpose of stealing the software for use on
NON-eCS systems.
You are advocating software piracy.
Stilz
"Bob St.John" wrote:
>
> "G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
>
<snip>
> But DTJ and TM have been down this road before in earlier discussions
> about these same applications. Heard it all before. Why raise it again? I
> guess they simply enjoy eCS threads.
>
> Regards,
> Bob St.John
> Serenity Systems
Bob,
Are you by chance paying the FUD4 to keep eCS posting a some noise
level? :-)
Keep up ALL the good work!
Mike Stilz
OS2Guy
> A question that's a bit off topic (sorry!)-
>
> Has TM ever had complaints lodged against him at his isp
> in the past?
>
> In attempting to profile the personality expressed here
> within (a hobby), I can't help but wonder the cause. Still,
> it does lend itself to an interesting, and usually humorous,
> study in learned helplessness brought forth by the demonstration
> of his histrionic tendencies.
Yes. Many have tried. Unfortunately they have failed repeatedly primarily
because their claims are unfounded. I still retain the same provider(s) I've had
for some five maybe six years.
When an abuse official reviews an incoming abuse complaint, 99% of the time they
read a message from an eCS salesmen, investor or booster whining because "The OS/2
Guy" is asking that the eCS commercial spamming in the OS/2 newsgroups be
stopped. The OS/2 Charter does not allow for any commercial spamming so such
complaints lodged against me are identified as "false and malecious". eCS
salesmen, boosters and investors are desperate for sales. Think about this for a
moment: you can move to any other newsgroups and you won't find the eCS salesmen,
boosters or investors posting the overwhelming commercial spam that they post
here. Why is that? It is because eCS is a pyramid scam. Serenity claims again
and again that they are developing, improving, enhancing and adding new features
to OS/2. That's a lie. Serenity can't do any such thing. But it is a good
marketing ploy. I call it "Misnomer Marketing" or what the FTC calls 'bait and
switch' and absolute fraud of the consumer.
So those complaints to my provider opens the door for me to file a
counter-complaint against the complaintent. My providers provide the incoming
false complaint and I contact the complaintent's ISP abuse officials and demand
the complaintent's ISP access account be closed. We promptly post those closure
notices at Warp City for all members to see and gloat over.
Look around and you'll see MANY former eCS salesmen, boosters and investors have
either departed the OS/2 newsgroups and moved to the eCS newsgroups (where they
belong) or they have curtailed their spamming and put me in a twit filter just so
they won't be tempted to respond (and ultimately lose their own Internet access).
Look at those who attack me now, they are primarily NON-OS/2 users: Jason Bowen,
Andrew Behn, Timothy Smith, Stalker Stukey - all of these people are Microsoft
supporters who know that the more people who buy into the eCS pyramid scam are
walking away from OS/2 and will eventually be led by the nose directly into
Microsoft's front doors.
If eCS salesmen, boosters and investors really cared about eCS they'd confine
themselves to their own eCS newsgroups. They don't care about OS/2 at all - their
desire is to destroy IBM and OS/2.
I hope this answers your question adequately. :-)
Marty
>
> You, OTOH, as well as many eCS salesmen have been advocating software
> piracy by implying it is legal to run the programs that comes with an eCS
> package on a 'straight' (i.e., NON-eCS) system.
ROTFL! Tim accusing others of encouraging piracy!
This is so good it has to be fattening!
Sir OS/2
:>Haven't tried. I might try on the weekend, if I have time. I
:>don't know...maybe not.
:>
:>Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
:>eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
:>well under OS/2.
But the main point being it isn't licenced to, this is what he/they
don't understand. If they want the stuff that comes with eCS
there are free and paid for alternatives.
eCS Clock World Clock
eStyler Lite Styler/2
eCS Dialogue Enhancer Dialogue Enhancer
I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned.
Cheers
Sir OS/2
--
Sir OS/2
Grand Order of the Knights of OS/2
Defender of the OS/2 Grail
Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
Proudly running eComStation 1.01
dlistw...@home.com
>If eCS salesmen, boosters and investors really cared about eCS they'd
>confine themselves to their own eCS newsgroups. They don't care about
>OS/2 at all - their desire is to destroy IBM and OS/2.
Tim
I don't know why.
You are going to have to answer the question you pose
in the subject, as you are the biggest advertiser for eCS
posting in the newsgroups.
--
Don Woodall shooting electrons at you from Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Computing with Serenity System International's eComStation, V1.0
Communicating with Nick Knight's MR/2 ICE, Version 2.28a S/N 393.
This OS/2 system uptime is 0 days 03:26 hours :^( (en).
-----------------------------------------------------------
dlistw...@home.com
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Sir OS/2
:>And some of the software on the CDs can be run anywhere the user chooses.
:>No restrictions. The eCS Clock, however .. is eCS only. Serenity Systems
:>pays the author Mark Eckstein, who also publishes the OS/2 Clock.
:>
:>Some authors want their product "protected" so as not to harm sales. In
:>the case, Mark does not want the eCS clock used in place of the OS/2
:>clock. HOBLink X/11 is an OS/2 application, but the copy which comes with
:>eCS is restricted to eCS ... same reason. Same with eStyler and Styler/2.
:>
:>What this allows Serenity Systems to do is provide a lot of value and
:>function in a product at low cost. Users who want the function, but not
:>eCS, can buy the OS/2 version of the application.
:>
:>But DTJ and TM have been down this road before in earlier discussions
:>about these same applications. Heard it all before. Why raise it again? I
:>guess they simply enjoy eCS threads.
This has been pointed out to the idiot/4 until we're blue in the face.
They don't seem to understand the idea of licence restrictions or
that paid for alternatives are available. By the way Bob, where
can I download my "Free Gift SS 1.7" from Lotus? Bwaaahhhh! :-)
Mike Tuthill
<sir...@SPAM.zag.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>:>But DTJ and TM have been down this road before in earlier discussions
>:>about these same applications. Heard it all before. Why raise it again? I
>:>guess they simply enjoy eCS threads.
>
>This has been pointed out to the idiot/4 until we're blue in the face.
>They don't seem to understand the idea of licence restrictions or
>that paid for alternatives are available. By the way Bob, where
>can I download my "Free Gift SS 1.7" from Lotus? Bwaaahhhh! :-)
Martin understands it perfectly. However, he`s on a vendetta against
Serenity so he deliberately acts obtuse.
Bob St.John
OS2Guy wrote:
> "G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
>
> > Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> > eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> > well under OS/2.
>
> Again, you continue to repeat this lie. You can't find ONE post where I
> make such a claim. What I say is that ALL the BUNDLED software that comes
> with an eCS package can be run ONLY on an eCS system. NOT on anything BUT
> an eCS system.
Well ... you can say this ... but it's not accurate. Some of the software is
restricted. But some isn't. For example, Netscape, Star Office, ODIN, FLASH ..
these are examples of software which is not restricted.
But you are free to say whatever you like, without regard for the accuracy of
the statement. But that's precisely the reason your postings are so
ineffective but not without entertainment value.
Markus Montkowski
>>>> Is eCS clock licensed to run on non-eCS systems?
>>>
>>>
>>> This is irrelevant to my three questions above (that you have not
>>> answered.)
>>>
Well you can't run eCS clock on a normal OS/2 as the license forbids it
and the software simply imposes the license by checking that it is
running on ECS. But the Autor who wrote eCS clock has also a version
without that chck called World Clock That runs well on ECS and OS/2
but of course you have to buy it from the author.
Anyway what is the point there is SW in ECS which Serenity has paid the
authors for and some of them choose to add such a check so they still
can sell their software to OS/2 users. That software is some of the
added value in ECS.
No I wonder what you come up with next.
G. Wayne Hines
wrote:
>
>
> OS2Guy wrote:
>
> > "G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
> >
> > > Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> > > eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> > > well under OS/2.
> >
> > Again, you continue to repeat this lie. You can't find ONE post where I
> > make such a claim. What I say is that ALL the BUNDLED software that comes
> > with an eCS package can be run ONLY on an eCS system. NOT on anything BUT
> > an eCS system.
Bet I can find one post...the one you just made. If certain
software will run only on a certain system, it will not run on
another system. Think about it for a while.
> Well ... you can say this ... but it's not accurate. Some of the software is
> restricted. But some isn't. For example, Netscape, Star Office, ODIN, FLASH ..
> these are examples of software which is not restricted.
And, Tim doesn't seem to realize that even though software may
have legal restrictions, it may not have technical restrictions.
> But you are free to say whatever you like, without regard for the accuracy of
> the statement. But that's precisely the reason your postings are so
> ineffective but not without entertainment value.
>
Well, there is that entertainment value. That's gotta be worth
something. :-)
G. Wayne Hines
wrote:
>
>
> "G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
>
> > > Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
> > > version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
> >
> > Haven't tried. I might try on the weekend, if I have time. I
> > don't know...maybe not.
> >
> > Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> > eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> > well under OS/2.
>
> And some of the software on the CDs can be run anywhere the user chooses.
> No restrictions. The eCS Clock, however .. is eCS only. Serenity Systems
> pays the author Mark Eckstein, who also publishes the OS/2 Clock.
Guess I won't run it under OS/2, if it's technically not
possible. Maybe Tim can find a way around that. :-)
I don't think Tim was concerned about licensing restrictions
against running some of the bundled eCS software on an OS/2
system. He seems to think that it just won't run under OS/2.
> Some authors want their product "protected" so as not to harm sales. In
> the case, Mark does not want the eCS clock used in place of the OS/2
> clock. HOBLink X/11 is an OS/2 application, but the copy which comes with
> eCS is restricted to eCS ... same reason. Same with eStyler and Styler/2.
>
> What this allows Serenity Systems to do is provide a lot of value and
> function in a product at low cost. Users who want the function, but not
> eCS, can buy the OS/2 version of the application.
Well, all someone has to do is compare eCS to any version of
Windows. You buy Windows and install it...you still can't do
anything useful with the computer. Install eCS or OS/2, and you
have all kinds of useful programs.
> But DTJ and TM have been down this road before in earlier discussions
> about these same applications. Heard it all before. Why raise it again? I
> guess they simply enjoy eCS threads.
Someone else suggested this: Maybe Serenity, and not Microsoft,
is paying Tim to start these long threads on eCS. :-)
Martin Nisshagen
: Clock?') that can be purchased that will run on an OS/2 system? Is use
: of 'eCS Clock' restricted to only eCS by the eCS or eCS Clock licensing
: terms?
As I have understood it; yes.
rj friedman
<djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
翠re you claiming that only eCS licensing issues prevent eCS Clock from
裸unning on an OS/2 system? Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an
臺S/2 system? Is there a version of "eCS Clock" (perhaps named 'OS/2
翟lock?') that can be purchased that will run on an OS/2 system?
David, you are aware of the fact that the little juvenile
delinquent you are responding to does not use OS/2 - has not
used OS/2 in YEARS - and only hangs out here because he has
the kind of personality that enjoys being as big a pest as
possible.
Some of ecs' biggest boosters are the crowd who do not even
use OS/2 - but have, nevertheless, infested these newsgroups
for years for the sole purpose of being as negative as they
possibly could be toward OS/2.
What they have in common - and why they are so pro ecs is
their hatred of OS/2 and IBM. It tells you all you need to
know about Serenity and ecs.
________________________________________________________
[RJ] OS/2 - Live it, or live with it.
rj friedman Team ABW
Taipei, Taiwan r...@yyyindoserv.com
To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________
Martin Nisshagen
"OS2Guy" <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote in message
news:3C02F32E...@WarpCity.com...
: eCS is not OS/2 by any means. eCS simply uses OS/2 as a base operating
That seems (at least to me) like a contradiction in terms.
: Serenity officials have stated they plan on dropping OS/2 and moving to other
: operating systems in the future, primarily WindowsX.
I have read that Serenity has said that they may in the future use some other
base operating system, but I can almost assure you it's not going to be any
Windows version for desktop computers as it's very, very, very unlikely (even
if Serenity would like to, which I haven't seen any indication of) that
Microsoft ever would allow any other vendor to sell any retail distribution of
that.
If they are going elsewhere in the future (probably many years from now) with
another non-OS/2 eCS I strongly suspect it would very likely be based on a
distribution of a free operating system like Linux or *BSD.
G. Wayne Hines
<djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
> G. Wayne Hines wrote:
>
>
> >
> > No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
> > impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
> > "straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
> >
> >
>
> Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
> version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
Another follow-up. As someone else posted, apparently the eCS
Clock program requires something in the eCS system, but there is
apparently a version that does run on a "straight" OS/2 system.
Marty
>
> Some of ecs' biggest boosters are the crowd who do not even
> use OS/2
Yet, Johnson has claimed that Serenity has made no attempt to market eCS
to non-OS/2 users. Interesting dichotomy, eh?
David T. Johnson
"G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
>
> In an earlier episode, "David T. Johnson"
> <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>
> > G. Wayne Hines wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
> > > impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
> > > "straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
> > version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
>
> Another follow-up. As someone else posted, apparently the eCS
> Clock program requires something in the eCS system, but there is
> apparently a version that does run on a "straight" OS/2 system.
>
Really? Where can the OS/2 version be found?
David T. Johnson
"Bob St.John" wrote:
>
> "G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
>
> > > Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
> > > version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
> >
> > Haven't tried. I might try on the weekend, if I have time. I
> > don't know...maybe not.
> >
> > Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> > eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> > well under OS/2.
>
> And some of the software on the CDs can be run anywhere the user chooses.
> No restrictions. The eCS Clock, however .. is eCS only. Serenity Systems
> pays the author Mark Eckstein, who also publishes the OS/2 Clock.
Does the "OS/2 Clock" program provide the same functionality as the eCS
Clock program? Where can this program be found?
>
> Some authors want their product "protected" so as not to harm sales. In
> the case, Mark does not want the eCS clock used in place of the OS/2
> clock.
Why?
> HOBLink X/11 is an OS/2 application, but the copy which comes with
> eCS is restricted to eCS ... same reason. Same with eStyler and Styler/2.
Do these applications have the same functionality as the OS/2 versions?
>
> What this allows Serenity Systems to do is provide a lot of value and
> function in a product at low cost. Users who want the function, but not
> eCS, can buy the OS/2 version of the application.
Do the OS/2 versions have the same function as the eCS-only versions?
>
> But DTJ and TM have been down this road before in earlier discussions
> about these same applications. Heard it all before. Why raise it again?
Many people here do not believe that eCS-only software even exists. You
must have read their numerous messages here denouncing even the mere
mention of this as nothing but FUD. Many eCS users think they can run
their eCS software on OS/2 if they choose, someday, to go back to OS/2.
AFAIK, this is the first time that you have ever acknowledged that
eCS-only software exists. I suppose this means that your next version
of eCS will be even more in this direction and there is no reason for
you to maintain the eCS-is-just-OS/2-with-extras pretense.
> I
> guess they simply enjoy eCS threads.
>
Not in the least. They are tedious, time-wasting, and not very
interesting. But *someone* has to provide some sort of counterpoint to
the Serenity propaganda and brainwashing for the handful of non-eCS
users who remain.
G. Wayne Hines
Find out who the other poster was and ask them.
Bob St.John
"David T. Johnson" wrote:
> > Some authors want their product "protected" so as not to harm sales. In
> > the case, Mark does not want the eCS clock used in place of the OS/2
> > clock.
>
> Why?
OEM products are generally priced below retail. An ISV or publisher may not
want the lower cost OEM product displacing the retail product.
> > HOBLink X/11 is an OS/2 application, but the copy which comes with
> > eCS is restricted to eCS ... same reason. Same with eStyler and Styler/2.
>
> Do these applications have the same functionality as the OS/2 versions?
Really a question for the individual ISVs.
> > What this allows Serenity Systems to do is provide a lot of value and
> > function in a product at low cost. Users who want the function, but not
> > eCS, can buy the OS/2 version of the application.
>
> Do the OS/2 versions have the same function as the eCS-only versions?
See above.
> > But DTJ and TM have been down this road before in earlier discussions
> > about these same applications. Heard it all before. Why raise it again?
>
> Many people here do not believe that eCS-only software even exists.
You do. You have made the point several times.
> You must have read their numerous messages here denouncing even the mere
> mention of this as nothing but FUD.
No. Not the mention. The specific postings have been FUD. And the specific
postings have had responses pointing out the errors.
> Many eCS users think they can run their eCS software on OS/2 if they choose,
> someday, to go back to OS/2. AFAIK, this is the first time that you have ever
> acknowledged that eCS-only software exists.
I have maintained from the beginning that the nature of OEM software is that it
is part of the product. That is, Smart Suite, Desktop on Call, even OS/2 4.51
itself .. sold as part of eCS, must be run as part of eCS ... that is the
restriction IBM places on all OEM products. HOB places a similar restriction.
Not all ISVs do, however.
This is the point which drove TM over the bend when we announce Smart Suite as
part of the eCS offering. My comments regarding OEM licensing restrictions were
evident in this newgroup at that time, in those threads. So, your "AFAIK"
recollection is ... in error. You do get a lot of things wrong.
Generally, this is not a concern to me. I'm interested in delivering value to
the eCS user. Not in selling individual applications.
> I suppose this means that your next version of eCS will be even more in this
> direction and there is no reason for you to maintain the
> eCS-is-just-OS/2-with-extras pretense.
What you suppose is not important. I would not say "eCS is just OS/2 with
extras" though not because it is a pretense, rather because it belittles the
value of eCS.
eCS is using OS/2 as the base operating system. It provides a commercial
desktop, mobil managed client computing with WiseMachine, an updated UI, and an
enhanced installation procedure. All these will be enhanced in future
releases.
> > I guess they simply enjoy eCS threads.
>
> Not in the least. They are tedious, time-wasting, and not very interesting.
Then you should not initiate or prolong them.
> But *someone* has to provide some sort of counterpoint to the Serenity
> propaganda and brainwashing for the handful of non-eCS users who remain.
Only a handful, huh? Well, seems a bit more than arrogant that you assume the
mantle of champion .. as you do get a lot of things wrong.
Bob St.John
Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> "OS2Guy" <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote in message
> news:3C02F32E...@WarpCity.com...
>
> : eCS is not OS/2 by any means. eCS simply uses OS/2 as a base operating
>
> That seems (at least to me) like a contradiction in terms.
>
> : Serenity officials have stated they plan on dropping OS/2 and moving to other
> : operating systems in the future, primarily WindowsX.
>
> I have read that Serenity has said that they may in the future use some other
> base operating system,
Careful ... you fell for TM FUD. "Serenity officials" have never stated they plan
on dropping OS/2 and moving to (an)other operating system in the future. If this
were so, DTJ or TM could point to this. Instead they point to second hand, "so and
so said such and such" ... no statement from Serenity Systems.
What we have said is that we will follow IBM software practices and strategies.
David T. Johnson
Herbert Rosenau
<os2guy@warpcity> is a liar. He is unable to speak a single true word.
> "G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
>
> > Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> > eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> > well under OS/2.
>
> This is a lie, of course, and you can't provide one post from me that
> makes such a claim.
A brainless liar cries 'lie' but heself is unable to make a single
word thats not a lie.
> What you are claiming here is that "the software the comes with eCS" can
> be used on NON-eCS systems.
But that's the absolute truth. Only the liar from his WC is unable to
get that into the big hole he calls his brain.
> You are literally advocating the purchase of
> an eCS package for the primary purpose of stealing the software for use on
> NON-eCS systems.
Another lie from the brainless BSD unix user.
> You are advocating software piracy.
says the dumb software pirate who had not spend a single cent for
software. He even doesn't own legally a single copy of a single
version of OS/2. So he must use BSD to public his gays homepage
"wankcity" on BSD.
WarpCity Thiev! Dirty Rotten Thiev, he is.
Nobody has ever seen, heard or readed from a "real" member of
warpcity.com. So it is a white hole without any content and totally
memberless. He'd faked some logfiles to bet them for public and free
downloading only to get cryed about that. The liar from his WC is
nothing than a thief.
The thief is even unable to show a single real response of a single
abuse he cryes he'd written to lots of ISPs. Anybody knows now that he
is lying in this point too, like he lies on anything else.
Any time the wank gay is abusing this and other newsgroups with the
same spam it will be collected and send as complaint to his ISP. He
can never claim that one is complaining him without reason. He had
spammed enough in coo.* to show that he is a braindead troll and twit.
All his multiple personallies he calls "we" are OS2...@WarpCity.com.
WarpCity.com knows about 250 personalities known as TM AKA OS2Gay.
There is nobody else.
--
Tschau/Bye
Herbert
Doug Bissett
> Martin Nisshagen wrote:
>
> > Just a (perhaps for some) small point; why should anyone try to do something
> > which is an illegal activity to do and a clear violence of the agreement one has
> > signed?
>
> Actually Martin, a GREAT many eCS salesmen, boosters and investors are literally
> advocating the piracy of all bundled software that comes with eCS by claiming it can
> *legally* be run on a non-eCS system.
>
> It cannot of course - but when it comes to fudding, fudging, lying, posting false
> information or misnomer marketing promotions about eCS then eCS salesmen, boosters
> and investors have no problem advocating the piracy of any software that accompanies
> an eCS package.
>
> Thieves. Dirty rotten thieves.
Sorry but you are WRONG AGAIN!
Some of the software that comes with eCS, is SHAREWARE, and some is
FREEWARE. The SHAREWARE CAN be run on ANY OS/2, or eCS system, within
the LICENCE parameters of the package. FREEWARE can be run on any OS/2
or eCS system. It is only the LICENCED software that cannot be legally
run on a non-eCS system, and SOME of that (specifically written,
under contract to Serenity Systems, for use ONLY with eComStation),
has a hook to prevent unauthorized use. The rest of the LICENCED
software, like LOTUS SmartSuite, and DeskTop On Call, expect users to
be HONEST (one of the many things Tim doesn't seem to understand).
For the guy who claims that you can DOWNLOAD LOTUS SS, for free
(absolutely illegal), you sure do spread a LOT of misinformation,
about something that IS legal.
Just my C$.032 ($.02 US)...
--
From the eComStation of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
Doug Bissett
> eCS bundled software - ALL OF IT -
> can only be used on an eCS system.
WRONG AGAIN Tim!
Serenity has ALWAYS told people, that the CDs contain software that
was specifically written for Serenity, for use ONLY with eCS, and SOME
(not all) of that software has hooks in it, to prevent unauthorized
use. MOST of those (if not all), have a SHAREWARE equivalent, that
anyone can buy. The CDs also contain generic OS/2 software (like LOTUS
SmartSuite, and DeskTop On Call), that is LICENSED to users of eCS,
for use with eCS. There is no technical reason, that these cannot be
used on an OS/2 system, only a LEGAL reason. In addition, the CDs
contain SHAREWARE, which is free to use on any system, that will run
it (meaning OS/2), within the parameters of the LICENCE agreement,
within the package. Then, there are a number of FREEWARE packages,
that are also free to use on any system that will run them (again,
meaning OS/2). Of course, ALL of the SHAREWARE, and FREEWARE, is
available for download, from various sources.
Of course, you would know all of this, IF you had taken the time to
actually investigate what Serenity has said publicly, or if you had
actually ever seen the eComStation package. Since you seem to refuse
to do either, your comments are uncalled for, and mostly incorrect.
Lies, and misinformation, do NOT help anyone. Continuing to spread
lies, and misinformation, in this, and other news groups, only makes
you look more foolish than you already appear.
For those who are still following this CRAP, I am going to start to
filter Tim again. I just don't need the aggravation. Thanks.
G. Wayne Hines
Bissett) wrote:
> For those who are still following this CRAP, I am going to start to
> filter Tim again. I just don't need the aggravation. Thanks.
I've been filtering him for a while, but get enough quotes of
his postings from other people to keep me amused. :-)
By the way, I've been meaning to ask, which part of the Great
White North do you call home?
David T. Johnson
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:55:32 "David T. Johnson"
> <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>
> »Are you claiming that only eCS licensing issues prevent eCS Clock from
> »running on an OS/2 system? Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an
> »OS/2 system? Is there a version of "eCS Clock" (perhaps named 'OS/2
> »Clock?') that can be purchased that will run on an OS/2 system?
>
> David, you are aware of the fact that the little juvenile
> delinquent you are responding to does not use OS/2 - has not
> used OS/2 in YEARS - and only hangs out here because he has
> the kind of personality that enjoys being as big a pest as
> possible.
>
> Some of ecs' biggest boosters are the crowd who do not even
> use OS/2 - but have, nevertheless, infested these newsgroups
> for years for the sole purpose of being as negative as they
> possibly could be toward OS/2.
Yes, I have noticed that. Stuyck, for example. It is very funny to see
these people post in an OS/2 newsgroup with their supposed advocacy of
eCS while using a Windows news client.
>
> What they have in common - and why they are so pro ecs is
> their hatred of OS/2 and IBM. It tells you all you need to
> know about Serenity and ecs.
>
What has been absolutely amazing is the degree of OS/2-is-dead FUD that
has been delivered to the COOA and COOM newsgroups by the Serenity
boosters over the last 6 weeks. They have claimed that IBM wants OS/2
dead, IBM wants OS/2 users to switch platforms, IBM is killing OS/2, IBM
will not support OS/2, MCP2 (Warp 4.52??) will have nothing new, the
MCP2 is the last convenience pack, and that most OS/2 users are
migrating off of OS/2 as fast as they can. It is almost as if there is
a PR flack agency that is orchestrating the 'OS/2 FUD theme-'o-the-week'
in the newsgroups.
IBM has certainly done nothing in the last year to precipitate all of
this FUD. They released the first convenience pack (Warp 4.51) exactly
as they said they would and, more importantly, WHEN they said they
would. The release fixpack 1 for Warp 4.51 right on time. Many of the
FUD posters pointed to the IBM OS/2 strategy document but the 'change
the operating system' words that they hang on were first posted by IBM
nearly two years ago and are not a reason, by themselves, for the sudden
wave of FUD. The second convenience pack is, by all current
indications, on-track for delivery in 2001 even though IBM has no legal
obligation to provide it. (Thank you IBM!) Some of the FUDsters
pointed to Warpstock 2001 and claimed that IBM's presentation there had
a chart that ended with MCP2 at the end of 2002, even though IBM has
never, in the entire history of OS/2, ever made long-range promises any
more predictive than that sort of time period. Serenity boosters have
stuffed a lot of words in the mouth of IBM. It will be interesting to
see what IBM actually says on its own regarding OS/2 in the next two
years.
--
David T. Johnson
G. Wayne Hines
wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:19:37, OS2Guy <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>
>
> > What you are claiming here is that "the software the comes with eCS" can
> > be used on NON-eCS systems.
>
> But that's the absolute truth. Only the liar from his WC is unable to
> get that into the big hole he calls his brain.
And, as others have mentioned, some of the freeware and
shareware can legally be used on OS/2 systems, but I don't think
it will work on BSD.
> > You are literally advocating the purchase of
> > an eCS package for the primary purpose of stealing the software for use on
> > NON-eCS systems.
>
> Another lie from the brainless BSD unix user.
Well, the Tim Man may have a brain, but it doesn't appear that
he uses it very well.
> > You are advocating software piracy.
It's a big leap of fantasy from suggesting that it's technically
possible to run some of the eCS software on a straight OS/2
system to advocating outright theft of software such as....Lotus
SmartSuite, for example.
< snip >
> Any time the wank gay is abusing this and other newsgroups with the
> same spam it will be collected and send as complaint to his ISP. He
> can never claim that one is complaining him without reason. He had
Just one thing, Herbert. You should stop referring to Tim as a
"gay". That's a terrible insult to homosexuals.
G. Wayne Hines
Well, I haven't installed eCS yet, so I don't know what eCS
Clock is all about, and I don't know that I "need" an OS/2
version in the meantime. Anyway, what Bob said makes sense to
me.
David T. Johnson
G. Wayne Hines
I'm not really a fan...yet. We'll see how the install
goes...after I get a new hard drive.
Jason Bowen
rj friedman <r...@yyyindoserv.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:55:32 "David T. Johnson"
><djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>
>翠re you claiming that only eCS licensing issues prevent eCS Clock from
>裸unning on an OS/2 system? Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an
>臺S/2 system? Is there a version of "eCS Clock" (perhaps named 'OS/2
>翟lock?') that can be purchased that will run on an OS/2 system?
>
>David, you are aware of the fact that the little juvenile
>delinquent you are responding to does not use OS/2 - has not
>used OS/2 in YEARS - and only hangs out here because he has
>the kind of personality that enjoys being as big a pest as
>possible.
>
You call having your bullshit questioned being a pest, how very typical of
RJ, not the brightest bulb in the pack. So what's your excuse for
existing here, certainly isn't to advocate OS/2?
>Some of ecs' biggest boosters are the crowd who do not even
>use OS/2 - but have, nevertheless, infested these newsgroups
>for years for the sole purpose of being as negative as they
>possibly could be toward OS/2.
>
Actually I read this group for news, even asked Bob St. John a few
questions about eCS, it perked my interest in OS/2 again.
>What they have in common - and why they are so pro ecs is
>their hatred of OS/2 and IBM. It tells you all you need to
>know about Serenity and ecs.
>
Typical illogical argument. What is more telling is the 3 of your, 4 if
you coun't Huff, aruging false points and making claims about eCS while
not even being users of it. The most telling point of all is that there
aren't many negative comments from eCS users, that really irks you.
Marty
>
> Many people here do not believe that eCS-only software even exists.
Nonsense, Johnson. What people here do not believe are your erroneous
claims of eCS-only API calls. The eCS clock does not use eCS-only API
calls. It simply queries the OS version information to decide whether
or not it will function.
Marty
Nonsense. Your words sound very typical of a FUDster who is out to
paint the large and diverse userbase of eCS with a single, inappropriate
brush.
David T. Johnson
David T. Johnson
Cary Renquist
> Markus Montkowski wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is eCS clock licensed to run on non-eCS systems?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is irrelevant to my three questions above (that you have not
>>>>> answered.)
>>>>>
>>
>> Well you can't run eCS clock on a normal OS/2 as the license forbids it
>> and the software simply imposes the license by checking that it is
>> running on ECS. But the Autor who wrote eCS clock has also a version
>> without that chck called World Clock That runs well on ECS and OS/2
>> but of course you have to buy it from the author.
>
> Really? Here's a link to World Clock information that claims that it is
> free software and was written by Goran Ivankovic who also holds the
> copyright. Mark Eckstein (who Bob St. John claims is the author of eCS
> Clock) is listed only as the created of the daylight-savings switch
> feature of World Clock.
>
>
> http://www.os2world.com/goran/clock.htm
>
> If eCS Clock is truly the functional equivalent of World Clock and World
> Clock is available for *free*, then WHY is eCS Clock an eCS-only
> program? More to the point, what did Serenity pay the author of eCS
> Clock to add to the program and why? Since eCS Clock is perhaps the
> most eCS-only piece of software in eCS, it would certainly appear that
> eCS Clock is an integral part of the future eCS-only Software scheme
> that Serenity is moving towards.
>
I try to avoid this group because it is way too noisey, but...
The program that y`all are refering to is by a different author
than the eCS clock author. eCS clock is by Mark Eckstein --
his shareware program is called DSTswitch. Goran has created a
plug-in that interfaces with Eckstein's app to take advantage of
DSTs's time changing/synchronizing features.
Personally, I much prefer Goran's app -- especially put into
"banner mode" and minimized into the minimized window viewer (one
gets a continuously scrolling display of the times). eCS clock
is useless as a desktop clock because the display is much too large...
Cary
David T. Johnson
Yes.
> eCS Clock is by Mark Eckstein --
> his shareware program is called DSTswitch. Goran has created a
> plug-in that interfaces with Eckstein's app to take advantage of
> DSTs's time changing/synchronizing features.
So Goran's plug-in is for eCS Clock? World Clock seems to also be
written by Goran. The DSTswitch application also can be used with World
Clock.
The main reason that all of this talk about clocks has come up is
because eCS Clock is an eCS-only application that will not run on OS/2.
Bob St. John of Serenity Systems claims that the eCS Clock app is
eCS-only at the request of it's author (presumably Mark Eckstein)
because Mark did not want eCS Clock used on non-eCS systems. Here is
what Bob St. John said today:
[begin Bob St. John excerpt]
"The eCS Clock, however .. is eCS only. Serenity Systems
pays the author Mark Eckstein, who also publishes the OS/2 Clock.
Some authors want their product "protected" so as not to harm sales. In
the case, Mark does not want the eCS clock used in place of the OS/2
clock. "
[end Bob St. John excerpt]
When asked *why* Mark did not want eCS Clock used in place of 'OS/2
Clock,' Bob St. John stated that eCS Clock was a "lower cost OEM
product" that would displace sales of the "retail product." Behind all
of this BS, I am still wondering why Serenity paid Mark Eckstein to
create "eCS Clock" and why it is "eCS-only" software.
> Personally, I much prefer Goran's app -- especially put into
> "banner mode" and minimized into the minimized window viewer (one
> gets a continuously scrolling display of the times). eCS clock
> is useless as a desktop clock because the display is much too large...
>
How do eCS Clock and World Clock differ in their functionality? There
must be some reason why Serenity paid Mark to create eCS Clock and this
reason is not obvious since, outwardly, a 'clock' application, however
good, hardly seems worth such an expenditure.
Cary Renquist
> Cary Renquist wrote:
>>
>> his(Ecksteins) shareware program is called DSTswitch. Goran has created a
>> plug-in that interfaces with Eckstein's app to take advantage of
>> DSTs's time changing/synchronizing features.
>
> So Goran's plug-in is for eCS Clock? World Clock seems to also be
> written by Goran. The DSTswitch application also can be used with World
> Clock.
>
job of displaying the time for many timezones -- you can choose many
manners of display; from a simple one-line display to a large world-map
with the current time in all of the zones as well as a night-time/twilite
indication (this map is not much larger than the default eCSclock display).
What worldclock does not do is set/synchronize the time.
This is where Eckstein's DSTswitch comes in... DSTswitch/eCSclock
are very good at synchronizing system time and automatically making
daylight saving changes. DSTswitch is extensible with plugins --
Goran wrote a plug-in to take advantage of DSTswitch's time setting
features.
DSTswitch/eCSclock while they started from common ground have
grown to be different beasts now -- DSTswitch appears to be a bit of a
neglected stepchild now.
>> Personally, I much prefer Goran's app -- especially put into
>> "banner mode" and minimized into the minimized window viewer (one
>> gets a continuously scrolling display of the times). eCS clock
>> is useless as a desktop clock because the display is much too large...
>>
>
> How do eCS Clock and World Clock differ in their functionality? There
> must be some reason why Serenity paid Mark to create eCS Clock and this
> reason is not obvious since, outwardly, a 'clock' application, however
> good, hardly seems worth such an expenditure.
There is some overlap e.g. alarms, launching apps at specified
times, etc.
The fundamental difference is that Gorans WorldClock is primarily
a very configurable time display app Eckstein's DSTswitch/eCSclock
is (was) primarily a time setting/synchronizing app that provided a
basic time display (Eckstein's app, in its eCS form is evolving into
a split beastie -- a pretty display and a time setting/synchro daemon).
Cary
OS2Guy
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:19:37, OS2Guy <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>
> <os2guy@warpcity> is a liar. He is unable to speak a single true word.
>
> > "G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
> >
> > > Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> > > eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> > > well under OS/2.
> >
> > This is a lie, of course, and you can't provide one post from me that
> > makes such a claim.
>
> A brainless liar cries 'lie' but heself is unable to make a single
> word thats not a lie.
So come up with the post. We KNOW you are a liar Herbert. OS2World AND Warp
City requested you provided documentation or verification about your false claim
that a big German bank was removing all of it's NT workstations and replacing
them with more then 300,000 OS/2 Warp 4 workstations. When pressed to the wall
you suddenly went quiet. To this day you have never come up with any
documentation or verification and we all believe you to be nothing more then a
pathetic liar.
Marty
Is this diatribe leading to anything?
Here's a version you should be able to understand (using small words and
short sentences):
Bob wanted Mark's app included. Bob paid Mark. Since Bob paid Mark,
Mark made eCSClock check if it was running on eCS. eCSClock checks the
OS version information before it runs. eCSClock is not integrated into
the operating system. It exists in the form of a few separate files.
These files can be uninstalled simply by deleting them and removing any
references to them in startup scripts. It uses no special or exclusive
API calls.
How is Bob's choice to pay Mark for his product of any concern to you,
who has not indicated any desire to purchase eCS?
Furthermore, your characterization of what Bob said as "BS" is
completely unfounded, considering that you've already admitted that you
are not in possession of the facts. It's just another example of you
getting personal with no basis in reality.
> > Personally, I much prefer Goran's app -- especially put into
> > "banner mode" and minimized into the minimized window viewer (one
> > gets a continuously scrolling display of the times). eCS clock
> > is useless as a desktop clock because the display is much too large...
> >
>
> How do eCS Clock and World Clock differ in their functionality? There
> must be some reason why Serenity paid Mark to create eCS Clock and this
> reason is not obvious since, outwardly, a 'clock' application, however
> good, hardly seems worth such an expenditure.
eCSClock enables eCSScheduler to work. eCSScheduler allows applications
to be launched at a specified time with a specified repeat interval
(similar to cron in Unix, but far friendlier). eCSScheduler also allows
popup messages to be sent and audio clips to be played at given times.
OS2Guy
> In an earlier episode, nos...@dv-rosenau.de (Herbert Rosenau)
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:19:37, OS2Guy <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What you are claiming here is that "the software the comes with eCS" can
> > > be used on NON-eCS systems.
> >
> > But that's the absolute truth. Only the liar from his WC is unable to
> > get that into the big hole he calls his brain.
>
> And, as others have mentioned, some of the freeware and
> shareware can legally be used on OS/2 systems, but I don't think
> it will work on BSD.
None of the freeware/shareware is licensed to Serenity.
BTW - you've still failed to come up with a post from me that:
"Bet I can find one post...the one you just made. If certain
software will run only on a certain system, it will not run on
another system. Think about it for a while."
You're a liar and you know it. I caught you lying AGAIN and you've tried to
change the subject.
OS2Guy
> In an earlier episode, nos...@dv-rosenau.de (Herbert Rosenau)
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:19:37, OS2Guy <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What you are claiming here is that "the software the comes with eCS" can
> > > be used on NON-eCS systems.
> >
> > But that's the absolute truth. Only the liar from his WC is unable to
> > get that into the big hole he calls his brain.
>
> And, as others have mentioned, some of the freeware and
> shareware can legally be used on OS/2 systems, but I don't think
> it will work on BSD.
None of the freeware/shareware is licensed to Serenity.
OS2Guy
> In an earlier episode, "Bob St.John" <Sere...@Augustmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > OS2Guy wrote:
> >
> > > "G. Wayne Hines" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tim's contention was that none of the software that comes with
> > > > eCS will run on a straight OS/2 system. Some of it runs very
> > > > well under OS/2.
> > >
> > > Again, you continue to repeat this lie. You can't find ONE post where I
> > > make such a claim. What I say is that ALL the BUNDLED software that comes
> > > with an eCS package can be run ONLY on an eCS system. NOT on anything BUT
> > > an eCS system.
>
> Bet I can find one post...the one you just made. If certain
> software will run only on a certain system, it will not run on
> another system. Think about it for a while.
Actually YOU need to think about what I write. No where do I make the claim you
say. Come up witht the post.
OS2Guy
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:04:03, OS2Guy <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>
> > Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> >
> > > Just a (perhaps for some) small point; why should anyone try to do something
> > > which is an illegal activity to do and a clear violence of the agreement one has
> > > signed?
> >
> > Actually Martin, a GREAT many eCS salesmen, boosters and investors are literally
> > advocating the piracy of all bundled software that comes with eCS by claiming it can
> > *legally* be run on a non-eCS system.
> >
> > It cannot of course - but when it comes to fudding, fudging, lying, posting false
> > information or misnomer marketing promotions about eCS then eCS salesmen, boosters
> > and investors have no problem advocating the piracy of any software that accompanies
> > an eCS package.
> >
> > Thieves. Dirty rotten thieves.
>
> Sorry but you are WRONG AGAIN!
>
> Some of the software that comes with eCS, is SHAREWARE, and some is
> FREEWARE.
Actually I'm QUITE right AGAIN! If even ONE program licensed or authorized by Serenity
for inclusion in an eCS package is used outside of an eCS system then it is pirated
software. It doesn't matter how much FREE, Shareware and Demoware Serenity adds to an eCS
package, it is the program software licensed for inclusion in the eCS package that can
ONLY be run on an eCS system.
You are advocating and encouraging others to buy eCS so they can use that restricted
bundled software outside of an eCS system. You are nothing more then an advocate for
thievery.
OS2Guy
> >>>
> >>>> Is eCS clock licensed to run on non-eCS systems?
> >>>
> >>> This is irrelevant to my three questions above (that you have not
> >>> answered.)
>
> Well you can't run eCS clock on a normal OS/2 as the license forbids it
> and the software simply imposes the license by checking that it is
> running on ECS. But the Autor who wrote eCS clock has also a version
> without that chck called World Clock That runs well on ECS and OS/2
> but of course you have to buy it from the author.
> Anyway what is the point there is SW in ECS which Serenity has paid the
> authors for and some of them choose to add such a check so they still
> can sell their software to OS/2 users. That software is some of the
> added value in ECS.
>
> No I wonder what you come up with next.
By admitting that Serenity is including software in their eCS package that
is restricted to only eCS you are admitting that Serenity is destroying
OS/2. The OS/2 user can't run that eCS-only software on their system.
They can find equivalents but they can't legally run the eCS bundled
software on anything but an eCS system.
If you are advocating the use outside of an eCS system of any of the
software programs that are licensed for use only on an eCS system then you
are advcating the piracy of OS/2 software.
This seems to be the only way Serenity salesmen, boosters and investors can
scam OS/2 users into buying the product. By lying to them and telling them
that even tho' eCS is crap they can always take the software and run it on
their non-eCS systems.
Thieves. Dirty Rotten Thieves.
OS2Guy
> In an earlier episode, "David T. Johnson"
> <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>
> > G. Wayne Hines wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > No. He's out-and-out lying again. Tim thinks it's technically
> > > impossible to run the software that comes with eCS on a
> > > "straight OS/2" system. He's wrong again, of course.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Have you been able to run "eCS Clock" on an OS/2 system? Is there a
> > version of "eCS Clock" that can be purchased that will run on OS/2?
>
> Another follow-up. As someone else posted, apparently the eCS
> Clock program requires something in the eCS system, but there is
> apparently a version that does run on a "straight" OS/2 system.
No there is no eCS Clock that will run outside of an eCS system, nor is
there an eCS Clock that can *LEGALLY* be run on anything but an eCS
system. eCS salesmen, boosters and investors continue to lie to the OS/2
community in an effort to convince them to purchase the poor eCS package
'just for the bundled software'. What you are doing is advocating the
theft of software and that is software piracy.
eCS Thieves. Dirty Rotten Thieves.
OS2Guy
> In an earlier episode, "David T. Johnson"
> <djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Another follow-up. As someone else posted, apparently the eCS
> > > Clock program requires something in the eCS system, but there is
> > > apparently a version that does run on a "straight" OS/2 system.
> >
> > Really? Where can the OS/2 version be found?
>
> Find out who the other poster was and ask them.
My my, what a slippery slope you lead when you lie like a weed. Above you say
there is an eCS Clock program that runs on a non-eCS system yet you can't
produce one and you run when asked to provide proof to your falsehood. What
you are doing is advocating the theft of eCS software for use on NON-eCS
systems.
eCS Thieves. Dirty Rotton Thieves.
OS2Guy
> Well, I haven't installed eCS yet, so I don't know what eCS
> Clock is all about, and I don't know that I "need" an OS/2
> version in the meantime. Anyway, what Bob said makes sense to
> me.
And here's the crux of the Serenity problem. Serenity officials lies.
Degrades those who catch his lies. Serenity customers say "makes sense to
me."
So how are these same Serenity customers going to feel when Serenity officials
lie to them. Will they flip their hair and say, "makes sense to me"? NOT ON
YOUR LIFE. Those same customers are sitting in the eCS newsgroups mad, angry,
pissed off, and hating Serenity and those who stand around proclaiming eCS the
wonder child. They know damn well that eCS is a scam and those claiming eCS
bundled software can be run outside of that eCS system are lying and
advocating the pirating of software.
OS2Guy
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:13:59, OS2Guy <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>
> > eCS bundled software - ALL OF IT -
> > can only be used on an eCS system.
>
> WRONG AGAIN Tim!
>
> Serenity has ALWAYS told people, that the CDs contain software that
> was specifically written for Serenity, for use ONLY with eCS, .... MOST
> of those (if not all), have a SHAREWARE equivalent, that anyone can buy.
You're avoiding the facts doug.b...@attglobal.net.
It doesn't matter how many SHAREWARE equivalents there are. The eCS
BUNDLED SOFTWARE - ALL OF IT - can only be used on an eCS system. We're
not talking about the free programs, the shareware programs or the
demoware, we're talking about the licensed/authorized eCS bundled
software.
What you are advocating is the use of that eCS bundled software for use
outside of an eCS system. That's illegal. That is pirating software.
OS2Guy
> In an earlier episode, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug
> Bissett) wrote:
>
> > For those who are still following this CRAP, I am going to start to
> > filter Tim again. I just don't need the aggravation. Thanks.
>
> I've been filtering him for a while, but get enough quotes of
> his postings from other people to keep me amused. :-)
You're egos are so fragile you can't stand to miss a one of my posts.
eCS Liars and Thieves. Dirty Rotten Liars and Thieves.
Kris Kadela
> No there is no eCS Clock that will run outside of an eCS system, nor is
> there an eCS Clock that can *LEGALLY* be run on anything but an eCS
> system. eCS salesmen, boosters and investors continue to lie to the OS/2
> community in an effort to convince them to purchase the poor eCS package
> 'just for the bundled software'. What you are doing is advocating the
> theft of software and that is software piracy.
>
> eCS Thieves. Dirty Rotten Thieves.
>
>
http://www.os2world.com/goran/clock.htm
There
Cary Renquist
No, that is not the shareware version of eCSclock
Here:
http://www.mark-eckstein.com/software/dstswitch.html
DSTswitch is the OS/2 version of eCSclock.
Cary
Kris Kadela
"OS2Guy" <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote in message
news:3C046AF3...@WarpCity.com...
Funny how DTJ's "technically impossible to run the software" all of sudden
became "legally impossible to run the software". A little twist and all of
a sudden it is a whole defferent argument that "apparently" puts him on
"moral" high ground. Every one knows that the non-freeware software is
licenced for use with eCS only.
Speaking of software piracy,DTJ, how is your SS1.6 running?
Of credibility, where did you actually (if you did) get your education?
OS2Guy
Look again. That's the OS/2 World clock. Not the eCS Clock. There is no eCS
clock that can be run *LEGALLY* outside of eCS.
OS2Guy
No it is not. eCS Clock is not the same as the DST switch. eCS clock can only
be run *LEGALLY* under an eCS system. You cannot run the eCS clock outside of
any eCS system for two reasons: the eCS clock will not run on anything but an
eCS system AND even if you could run the eCS clock on a non-eCS system it would
be illegal to do so. To make any other claim is to advocate the piracy of
software.
OS2Guy
It is 'technically impossible" to run the eCS-only software outside of an eCS
system. Example: eCS clock will not, can not and would be illegal to run
outside of an eCS system. Advocating the use of the eCS clock outside of an
eCS system is nothing but software piracy. Advocacting the installation of any
licensed/authorized eCS bundled software outside an eCS system (this would
include any eCS distrubtion of SS/2) is illegal.
eCS Thieves. Dirty Rotten Thieves.
> Of credibility, where did you actually (if you did) get your education?
Stanford. I hold a Doctorate, as in Dr. Tim Martin.
Herbert Rosenau
<djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
> Bob St.John wrote:
>
> >
> > "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> Some authors want their product "protected" so as not to harm sales. In
> >>> the case, Mark does not want the eCS clock used in place of the OS/2
> >>> clock.
> >>
> >> Why?
> >
> >
> > OEM products are generally priced below retail. An ISV or publisher may not
> > want the lower cost OEM product displacing the retail product.
>
> Does the "OS/2 Clock" program provide the same functionality as the eCS
> Clock program? Where can this program be found? What is the price of
> the OS/2 Clock program that will supposedly suffer from sales declines
> if the "lower cost OEM product" displaces it on the retail shelf?
>
>
>
OS2CL_A1.ZIP 29110 24.07.01 os2clock v0.1a (c) Denis Loskutnikov,
2000
OS/2 PM clock with skin support.
Shareware!
--
Tschau/Bye
Herbert
OS2Guy
> OS2CL_A1.ZIP 29110 24.07.01 os2clock v0.1a (c) Denis Loskutnikov,
> 2000 OS/2 PM clock with skin support.
You are a liar.
That's not the eCS clock. There is code within the eCS clock that ensures the eCS
clock will only run on an eCS system. If you are advocating the use of the eCS
clock on anything but an eCS system then you are advocating the piracy of eCS-only
software.
You can't continue lying. The two clocks are different.
Cary Renquist
> Cary Renquist wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:18:25 GMT, Kris Kadela <kr...@mail2.dgraph.com> penned:
>> >
>> >> No there is no eCS Clock that will run outside of an eCS system, nor is
>> >> there an eCS Clock that can *LEGALLY* be run on anything but an eCS
>> >> system. eCS salesmen, boosters and investors continue to lie to the OS/2
>> >> community in an effort to convince them to purchase the poor eCS package
>> >> 'just for the bundled software'. What you are doing is advocating the
>> >> theft of software and that is software piracy.
>> >>
>> >> eCS Thieves. Dirty Rotten Thieves.
>> >
>> > http://www.os2world.com/goran/clock.htm
>> >
>> > There
>>
>> No, that is not the shareware version of eCSclock
>>
>> Here:
>> http://www.mark-eckstein.com/software/dstswitch.html
>>
>> DSTswitch is the OS/2 version of eCSclock.
>>
>> Cary
>
> No it is not. eCS Clock is not the same as the DST switch. eCS clock can only
>
other product DSTswitch.
You are quite an astute observer... No, they are not exactly the same.
However, I'm betting that DSTswitch and eCSclock share at least 60-70%
of their DNA -- eCSclock has a bit more fresh blood but, they are at
least fraternal twins.
Cary -- who is wondering if Tim has a copy of eCS, since he seems to be
making side-by-side comparisons of eCSclock and its sibling DSTswitch.
>
G. Wayne Hines
wrote:
>
> "OS2Guy" <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote in message
> news:3C046AF3...@WarpCity.com...
> >
> > No there is no eCS Clock that will run outside of an eCS system, nor is
> > there an eCS Clock that can *LEGALLY* be run on anything but an eCS
> > system. eCS salesmen, boosters and investors continue to lie to the OS/2
> > community in an effort to convince them to purchase the poor eCS package
> > 'just for the bundled software'. What you are doing is advocating the
> > theft of software and that is software piracy.
> >
> > eCS Thieves. Dirty Rotten Thieves.
> >
>
> Funny how DTJ's "technically impossible to run the software" all of sudden
> became "legally impossible to run the software". A little twist and all of
> a sudden it is a whole defferent argument that "apparently" puts him on
> "moral" high ground. Every one knows that the non-freeware software is
> licenced for use with eCS only.
>
> Speaking of software piracy,DTJ, how is your SS1.6 running?
Just to point out, Kris, that David has never, as far as I know,
advocated software piracy. David may be a PITA, but he's not
that back. The SmartSuite issue is totally in the realm of Tim
Martin...and it was Tim's message you quoted.
gwh
--
# G. Wayne Hines Kentville, Nova Scotia, Canada
#
# w.d....@ns.sympatico.ca
#
# Windows: A rich man's poor excuse for an operating system
#
Marty
>
> In an earlier episode, "Kris Kadela" <kr...@mail2.dgraph.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > "OS2Guy" <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote in message
> > news:3C046AF3...@WarpCity.com...
> > >
> > > No there is no eCS Clock that will run outside of an eCS system, nor is
> > > there an eCS Clock that can *LEGALLY* be run on anything but an eCS
> > > system. eCS salesmen, boosters and investors continue to lie to the OS/2
> > > community in an effort to convince them to purchase the poor eCS package
> > > 'just for the bundled software'. What you are doing is advocating the
> > > theft of software and that is software piracy.
> > >
> > > eCS Thieves. Dirty Rotten Thieves.
> > >
> >
> > Funny how DTJ's "technically impossible to run the software" all of sudden
> > became "legally impossible to run the software". A little twist and all of
> > a sudden it is a whole defferent argument that "apparently" puts him on
> > "moral" high ground. Every one knows that the non-freeware software is
> > licenced for use with eCS only.
> >
> > Speaking of software piracy,DTJ, how is your SS1.6 running?
>
> Just to point out, Kris, that David has never, as far as I know,
> advocated software piracy. David may be a PITA, but he's not
> that back. The SmartSuite issue is totally in the realm of Tim
> Martin...and it was Tim's message you quoted.
David has advocated the purchase of Software Choice to users that do NOT
own a previous copy of Warp 4 as an alternative to the non-upgrade
version of eCS. He did so to unfairly compare the prices of eCS and SWC
- the SWC price not including the price of a Warp 4 license, the eCS
price including it, thus unfairly biasing his comparison toward SWC. In
making this comparison, he has advocated the purchase of SWC without a
valid Warp 4 license, thus advocating piracy.
rj friedman
wrote:
»> Some of ecs' biggest boosters are the crowd who do not even
»> use OS/2
»Yet, Johnson has claimed that Serenity has made no attempt to market eCS
»to non-OS/2 users. Interesting dichotomy, eh?
Are you totally nuts? What dichotomy? These people hate OS/2
so they join the chorus for ecs because they know ecs is
anti OS/2. They don't actually use ecs - they just knee-jerk
into supporting anything bad for OS/2.
You didn't think that they were actually using ecs did you?
________________________________________________________
[RJ] OS/2 - Live it, or live with it.
rj friedman Team ABW
Taipei, Taiwan r...@yyyindoserv.com
To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________
rj friedman
(Jason Bowen) wrote:
»>David, you are aware of the fact that the little juvenile
»>delinquent you are responding to does not use OS/2 - has not
»>used OS/2 in YEARS - and only hangs out here because he has
»>the kind of personality that enjoys being as big a pest as
»>possible.
»You call having your bullshit questioned being a pest, how very typical of
»RJ, not the brightest bulb in the pack.
Still the perennial juvenile. Come back when you grow up.
Little children should not be heard.
OS2Guy
> Just to point out, Kris, that David has never, as far as I know,
> advocated software piracy.
To people like Kris this makes no difference. All Kris can see/do is post
innuendo lies about others in an effort to smear a good person's reputation.
That's what eCS salesmen, boosters and investors have always done. Post lies,
repeat those lies, convince the naive those lies are valid and sit back and watch
as an innocent, honorable person's reputation is destroyed. We've all seen it
again and again.
And it is attributable to one group in particular: members of the eCS FUD Club.
OS2Guy
> > No it is not. eCS Clock is not the same as the DST switch. eCS clock can only
> >
> Yes, eCSclock can only run on eCS because Eckstein has to protect his
> other product DSTswitch.
Why is Eckstein stabbing OS/2 in the back by making a product that won't run on an
OS/2 system, i.e., eCS?
> You are quite an astute observer...
Obviously you are not a bright observer or you would see exactly what it is Serenity
is doing by hiring a softwre developer to make eCS-only software.
> No, they are not exactly the same.
So your statement here is to say it is 'ok' for Serenity to lure OS/2 users away from
OS/2, to entice them with proprietary software that will only run on an eCS system
and then to come in here and claim again and again that they are not doing that.
*REAL* OS/2 users, that is people who believe in their operating system, don't
appreciate, want or need people like you doing that here in these OS/2 newsgroups.
Why do you do it? Why do you refuse to go to the newsgroups where such
misinformation belongs? i.e., the eCS newsgroups?
> However, I'm betting that DSTswitch and eCSclock share at least 60-70%
> of their DNA -- eCSclock has a bit more fresh blood but, they are at
> least fraternal twins.
It doesn't matter is eCS clock and that DSTswitch share 99% of their code. What
matters is that an OS/2 user CANNOT run the eCS clock on their OS/2 system. That
seems to escape your wee mind. Apparently you don't give a damn about OS/2 at all.
What you care about is destroying OS/2 as we all know it for the sake of eCS.
Let me ask Cary. Have YOU invested in eCS or are you planning on giving up OS/2 for
eCS? Don't snip or edit this question out of your response and don't avoid posting a
response either.
> Cary -- who is wondering if Tim has a copy of eCS, since he seems to be
> making side-by-side comparisons of eCSclock and its sibling DSTswitch.
More innuendo Cary? Make a statement of misleading information based on no facts
hoping it will be picked up by other eCS salesmen. They, in turn, will begin running
and reposting that information as gospel truth. Before long you've smeared the
reputation of a fine individual. This is the strategy of the eCS salesmen, boosters
and investors. They've pick up this unethical tactic directly from Microsoft, known
and convicted by a Federal Court for the activity.
Now we're getting a clear picture of how Cary Renquist works.
BTW Cary, eCS is openly available for FREE download on THREE FTP sites along with
four sets of registration keys. One set is a Universal set of registration keys
while the other three are offered by former eCS customers. That information has been
running rampant on the OS/2 Warez newsgroups for months now and was 'announced' there
two days after the GA release of eCS was made. Personally, I know of no one who has
opted to download it much less purchase the folly program legally.
Jason Bowen
rj friedman <r...@yyyindoserv.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:24:47 Marty <mam...@stny.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>»> Some of ecs' biggest boosters are the crowd who do not even
>»> use OS/2
>
>»Yet, Johnson has claimed that Serenity has made no attempt to market eCS
>»to non-OS/2 users. Interesting dichotomy, eh?
>
>Are you totally nuts? What dichotomy? These people hate OS/2
>so they join the chorus for ecs because they know ecs is
>anti OS/2. They don't actually use ecs - they just knee-jerk
>into supporting anything bad for OS/2.
>
>You didn't think that they were actually using ecs did you?
>
LOL, so what you are saying, let me get this correct, is that IBM has
licensed OS/2 to an anti-OS/2 entity? This is what you are saying RJ.
You guys, are without a doubt, some of the most mentally deficient people
I've had the displeasure to be associated with in any capacity.
Jason Bowen
rj friedman <r...@yyyindoserv.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:38:10 bow...@rintintin.colorado.edu
>(Jason Bowen) wrote:
>
>»>David, you are aware of the fact that the little juvenile
>»>delinquent you are responding to does not use OS/2 - has not
>»>used OS/2 in YEARS - and only hangs out here because he has
>»>the kind of personality that enjoys being as big a pest as
>»>possible.
>
>»You call having your bullshit questioned being a pest, how very typical of
>»RJ, not the brightest bulb in the pack.
>
>
>Still the perennial juvenile. Come back when you grow up.
>Little children should not be heard.
>
LOL, so do you beat your kids when they speak RJ? Man you're a clod.
>
>________________________________________________________
>
>[RJ] OS/2 - Trying as hard as I can to destroy it
Timothy N. Perri
> Cary Renquist wrote:
>
> > > No it is not. eCS Clock is not the same as the DST switch. eCS clock can only
> > >
> > Yes, eCSclock can only run on eCS because Eckstein has to protect his
> > other product DSTswitch.
>
> Why is Eckstein stabbing OS/2 in the back by making a product that won't run on an
> OS/2 system, i.e., eCS?
>
> > You are quite an astute observer...
>
> Obviously you are not a bright observer or you would see exactly what it is Serenity
> is doing by hiring a softwre developer to make eCS-only software.
>
> > No, they are not exactly the same.
>
> So your statement here is to say it is 'ok' for Serenity to lure OS/2 users away from
> OS/2, to entice them with proprietary software that will only run on an eCS system
> and then to come in here and claim again and again that they are not doing that.
> *REAL* OS/2 users, that is people who believe in their operating system, don't
> appreciate, want or need people like you doing that here in these OS/2 newsgroups.
>
> Why do you do it? Why do you refuse to go to the newsgroups where such
> misinformation belongs? i.e., the eCS newsgroups?
>
> > However, I'm betting that DSTswitch and eCSclock share at least 60-70%
> > of their DNA -- eCSclock has a bit more fresh blood but, they are at
> > least fraternal twins.
>
> It doesn't matter is eCS clock and that DSTswitch share 99% of their code. What
> matters is that an OS/2 user CANNOT run the eCS clock on their OS/2 system. That
> seems to escape your wee mind. Apparently you don't give a damn about OS/2 at all.
Actually each eCS user is an OS/2 user and eCS clock does run on os/2,
since eCS uses OS/2(the MCP).
As far as giving a damn about OS/2, I have not seen you advocate
anything but SWC. I have seen you advocate the taking of Lotus SS
for 'free' , attack OS/2 software vendors(Serenity, Stardock, Nick
Knight(mr/2),etc), os2 periodicals(Voice, that os/2 mag don't
remember the name,etc), os/2 events(warpstock and others).. Yea
you sure do give a damn about os/2
David T. Johnson
G. Wayne Hines
> David has advocated the purchase of Software Choice to users that do NOT
> own a previous copy of Warp 4 as an alternative to the non-upgrade
> version of eCS. He did so to unfairly compare the prices of eCS and SWC
> - the SWC price not including the price of a Warp 4 license, the eCS
> price including it, thus unfairly biasing his comparison toward SWC. In
> making this comparison, he has advocated the purchase of SWC without a
> valid Warp 4 license, thus advocating piracy.
I hadn't noticed that. I'll keep it in mind.
David T. Johnson
Cary Renquist
> Let me ask Cary. Have YOU invested in eCS or are you planning on
> giving up OS/2 for
> eCS? Don't snip or edit this question out of your response and
> don't avoid posting a
I have purchased eCS.
I am still using OS/2 W4 FP15 -- I occasionally play with eCS.
Cary