Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)
Jack Weaver
unforseen (at least to me) side effect that is mentioned in the FAQ
(http://care.worldnet.att.net/transition.html) for the change:
"Does AT&T WorldNet Service offer an OS/2 dialer?
No. AT&T WorldNet Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. If you are an OS/2
customer, no action is needed on your part at this time to become a customer
of
AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your OS/2 dialer. "
I don't know for sure (I sent them a query but I have yet to get an answer
(suprise, suprise)) but I'm willing to bet that the business ISP is a heck of
a lot more expensive then the non-business one.
Does anyone know of a OS/2 friendly ISP?
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Michael G. Slack
>
> The upcomming change from ibm.net to AT&T WorldNet(r) Service has an
> unforseen (at least to me) side effect that is mentioned in the FAQ
> (http://care.worldnet.att.net/transition.html) for the change:
>
> "Does AT&T WorldNet Service offer an OS/2 dialer?
>
> No. AT&T WorldNet Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. If you are an OS/2
> customer, no action is needed on your part at this time to become a customer
> of
> AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your OS/2 dialer. "
>
> I don't know for sure (I sent them a query but I have yet to get an answer
> (suprise, suprise)) but I'm willing to bet that the business ISP is a heck of
> a lot more expensive then the non-business one.
>
http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_planinfo.html pretty much says the plans
are the same as before (base, comprehensive and premium) and cost what
they did before. From what I read, we stick with attgobal.net if we use
the OS/2 dialer (which if I read the FAQ correctly will be released by
ATT in the future).
--
---- Michael Slack (sl...@ibm.net) ----
kha...@primenet.com
> The upcomming change from ibm.net to AT&T WorldNet(r) Service has an
> unforseen (at least to me) side effect that is mentioned in the FAQ
> (http://care.worldnet.att.net/transition.html) for the change:
>
> "Does AT&T WorldNet Service offer an OS/2 dialer?
>
> No. AT&T WorldNet Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. If you are an OS/2
> customer, no action is needed on your part at this time to become a customer
> of
> AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your OS/2 dialer. "
>
> I don't know for sure (I sent them a query but I have yet to get an answer
> (suprise, suprise)) but I'm willing to bet that the business ISP is a heck of
> a lot more expensive then the non-business one.
>
> Does anyone know of a OS/2 friendly ISP?
>
Worldnet (non-business) worked fine with Dial other Internet Providers
(DOIP) last time I checked, so you should be able to get a normal (non
business)
account with them if you wish. I know from the newsgroups that a
fair
number of OS/2 users went with them at one time.
I personally have tried Primenet/Globalnet/Frontiernet (multiple
mergers)
and Netlink. Both worked with DOIP without problems. Apparently
almost any ISP that doesn't use a special dialup program works with
OS/2 (although there may be one or two I haven't discovered). Just
ask for the settings and don't tell them you're running OS/2 (seems
to confuse them). :)
Just my 2 cents,
Kevin
Antonio Relyea
>Does anyone know of a OS/2 friendly ISP?
>
Yeah, just about every STANDARD PPP ISP. Using "Dial Other Internet
Providers," Injoy, etc.
Tony.
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Frank Kirk
wrote:
> The service pricing plans at:
> http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_planinfo.html pretty much says the plans
> are the same as before (base, comprehensive and premium) and cost what
> they did before. From what I read, we stick with attgobal.net if we use
> the OS/2 dialer (which if I read the FAQ correctly will be released by
> ATT in the future).
Well, maybe it's me, but that's not the way I understood it. The way
I read it is that we have two choices. Either go with ATT Worldnet or
AT&T Business Services. ATT WorldNet (consumer customers) pricing is
the same (for 150 hours), but has no OS/2 dialer. ATT Business
Services presumably has an OS/2 dialer, but I can't find any prices
for the service (nor can I find a dialer). Whenever I click on
their references, I get bounced to IBM Network.
Am I misunderstanding all this? Many thanks.
FWK
Timothy J. Bogart
In article <nerylrnigrqh.f...@news.uncensored-news.com>,
Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from them?
My only attempt so far, with an ISP that had an OS/2 login script and
instructions, doesn't work (even after going out and getting the updated
dialer...). Not that I have spent much time tickling it...but if I don't have
to reinvent the wheel...
Thanks!
John Thompson
>Well, maybe it's me, but that's not the way I understood it. The way
>I read it is that we have two choices. Either go with ATT Worldnet or
>AT&T Business Services. ATT WorldNet (consumer customers) pricing is
>the same (for 150 hours), but has no OS/2 dialer. ATT Business
>Services presumably has an OS/2 dialer, but I can't find any prices
>for the service (nor can I find a dialer). Whenever I click on
>their references, I get bounced to IBM Network.
>
> Am I misunderstanding all this? Many thanks.
AT&T Business Services continues to use the IGN/Advantis dialer
you currently use. Information on the available plans can be
seen at http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_planinfo.html
-John (John.T...@ibm.net)
Wayne Bickell
Just input all your info and works like a charm.
Cheers
Wayne
On 29 Sep 1999 23:18:57 GMT, kha...@primenet.com wrote:
:>On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:51:06, "Jack Weaver" <ja...@ibm.net> wrote:
:>
:>> The upcomming change from ibm.net to AT&T WorldNet(r) Service has an
:>> unforseen (at least to me) side effect that is mentioned in the FAQ
:>> (http://care.worldnet.att.net/transition.html) for the change:
:>>
:>> "Does AT&T WorldNet Service offer an OS/2 dialer?
:>>
:>> No. AT&T WorldNet Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. If you are an OS/2
:>> customer, no action is needed on your part at this time to become a customer
:>> of
:>> AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your OS/2 dialer. "
:>>
:>> I don't know for sure (I sent them a query but I have yet to get an answer
:>> (suprise, suprise)) but I'm willing to bet that the business ISP is a heck of
:>> a lot more expensive then the non-business one.
:>>
:>> Does anyone know of a OS/2 friendly ISP?
:>>
:>Worldnet (non-business) worked fine with Dial other Internet Providers
:>(DOIP) last time I checked, so you should be able to get a normal (non
:>business)
:>account with them if you wish. I know from the newsgroups that a
:>fair
:>number of OS/2 users went with them at one time.
:>
:>I personally have tried Primenet/Globalnet/Frontiernet (multiple
:>mergers)
:>and Netlink. Both worked with DOIP without problems. Apparently
:>almost any ISP that doesn't use a special dialup program works with
:>OS/2 (although there may be one or two I haven't discovered). Just
:>ask for the settings and don't tell them you're running OS/2 (seems
:>to confuse them). :)
:>
:>Just my 2 cents,
:>
:>Kevin
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Antonio Relyea
>Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from them?
OK, I have to admit I'm lost now. I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5 different
localities on my OS/2 machine. What "appropriate info?" are you talking
about? If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
your platform. NOTE: Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've never
tried it).
Any other "info" is unecessary.
Tony.
Antonio Relyea
When I first arrived at my current location, I mad a phone call to a local
ISP, 10 minutes later I was checking my email. (using PMMail)
Tony.
Dale Erwin
There are some ISPs who send you software to use which is already
configured for you. The software is not OS/2 of course and the
people on the help desk tell you you don't need any information
just use the software they send you. If you tell them their software
won't run on your machine, they say they're sorry but they don't
support other platforms.
--
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Dallas, Texas
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Antonio Relyea
>If you tell them their software
>won't run on your machine, they say they're sorry but they don't
>support other platforms.
Can you give me an example??? If an ISP told me anything like that then I
would promptly respond "I'm sorry, but I don't patronize you."
I used to use BellSouth.net. They sent me software, but I didn't use it. I
used a friends computer to visit their web page and get the numbers.
Tony.
ha...@pacbell.net
>Antonio Relyea wrote:
>>
>> On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:
>>
>> >Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from them?
>>
>> OK, I have to admit I'm lost now. I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5 different
>> localities on my OS/2 machine. What "appropriate info?" are you talking
>> about? If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
>> password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
>> you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
>> your platform. NOTE: Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've never
>> tried it).
>>
>> Any other "info" is unecessary.
>>
>> When I first arrived at my current location, I mad a phone call to a local
>> ISP, 10 minutes later I was checking my email. (using PMMail)
>>
>> Tony.
>
>There are some ISPs who send you software to use which is already
>configured for you. The software is not OS/2 of course and the
>people on the help desk tell you you don't need any information
>won't run on your machine, they say they're sorry but they don't
>support other platforms.
and the proper response to that is, "then I guess you don't want my
money too much. Thank you and goodbye." There are lots of ISP's, no
need to deal with ignorant ones.
>Dale Erwin
>Dallas, Texas
><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">
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David T. Johnson
>
> Antonio Relyea wrote:
> >
> > On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:
> >
> > >Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from them?
> >
> > OK, I have to admit I'm lost now. I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5 different
> > localities on my OS/2 machine. What "appropriate info?" are you talking
> > about? If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
> > password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
> > you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
> > your platform. NOTE: Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've never
> > tried it).
> >
> > Any other "info" is unecessary.
> >
> > When I first arrived at my current location, I mad a phone call to a local
> > ISP, 10 minutes later I was checking my email. (using PMMail)
> >
> > Tony.
>
> There are some ISPs who send you software to use which is already
> configured for you. The software is not OS/2 of course and the
> people on the help desk tell you you don't need any information
> just use the software they send you. If you tell them their software
> won't run on your machine, they say they're sorry but they don't
> support other platforms.
> --
with Windows 9x, NT, or Macintosh. Compuserve does this as well but
they offer a Windows 3.1 version of their software which I think will
run on OS/2. There is also elderly "Compuserve Information Manager"
client in the Warp 4 GA Bonus Pak, I think, that will still work with
Compuserve. But these national internet services are not really
necessary. You are far better off, IMO, by signing up with a local ISP
and using Netscape Communicator to browse. You get much better service,
better connections, better mail server, better support, etc. And
usually for the same or less money.
Annie K.
:There are some ISPs who send you software to use which is already
:configured for you. The software is not OS/2 of course and the
:people on the help desk tell you you don't need any information
:just use the software they send you. If you tell them their software
:won't run on your machine, they say they're sorry but they don't
:support other platforms.
That's bizarre. I'd run screaming away from such an "ISP." The whole
point of tcp/ip, the software on which the Internet runs, is that it's
platform-independent. If an ISP's support people are too ignorant to
understand that, find a real ISP.
--
Klaatu barada nikto
Annie K.
:Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS,
I can confirm that it indeed does.
--
Klaatu barada nikto
Jerry McBride
"Antonio Relyea" <are...@vt.edu> wrote:
>On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:
>
>>Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from them?
>
>OK, I have to admit I'm lost now. I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5 different
>localities on my OS/2 machine. What "appropriate info?" are you talking
>about? If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
>password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
>you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
>your platform. NOTE: Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've never
>tried it).
>
Actually, I just DUMPED an ISP because my OS/2 client wouldn't plug into their
NT server... no matter how much I and the ISP tech support team tried. The
offending ISP was www.snip.net. The really odd thing is, they even admitted it
was a problem at their end and had no idea how to rectify it. Amazing...
I'm back at ErolsPC and things are as usual...
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Antonio Relyea
>Actually, I just DUMPED an ISP because my OS/2 client wouldn't plug into their
>NT server... no matter how much I and the ISP tech support team tried. The
>offending ISP was www.snip.net. The really odd thing is, they even admitted it
>was a problem at their end and had no idea how to rectify it. Amazing...
>
>I'm back at ErolsPC and things are as usual...
OK, so there are a few out there that are difficult, but as you can see,
rectifying the situation is as easy as switching ISP's.
Tony.
Bob Germer
"David T. Johnson" <djoh...@isomedia.com> said:
> > --
> The biggest offender with this is AOL. The AOL software will only work
> with Windows 9x, NT, or Macintosh. Compuserve does this as well but
> they offer a Windows 3.1 version of their software which I think will
> run on OS/2. There is also elderly "Compuserve Information Manager"
> client in the Warp 4 GA Bonus Pak, I think, that will still work with
> Compuserve.
Nope, if you have a Compuserve account and use CIM for OS/2, it tells you
that this version is no longer supported. I closed my Compuserve account 2
years or so ago because of this. Now when I get CS cd's with 100 free
hours, etc. in the mail, I put them back in the box after marking them
"Refused. Return to Sender". Costs CS about 65 cents each time.
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Jerry Prather
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:27:19 -0400 writes:
:>
:>
:>Nope, if you have a Compuserve account and use CIM for OS/2, it tells you
:>that this version is no longer supported. I closed my Compuserve account 2
:>years or so ago because of this.
Hmmm, I have a Compuserve account and use CIM for OS/2 and have
never seen this message. However, that may be because I don't
use Compuserve for anything except getting stock quotes once a
week, looking at the OS/2 support groups, and the ThinkPad site.
As a matter of fact, I would have already given up the account
except that I just got my TP and thought the site might be worth
monitoring. However the news groups provide almost all of this
information anyway...
Hey, I guess you're right. I should save that $9.95 a month I
pay Compuserve!
Jerry Prather pra...@infi.net
"Many religions are worth dying for; no religion is worth killing
for."
- Me (circa 1998)
Timothy J. Bogart
In article <nerylrnigrqh.f...@news.supernews.com>,
Antonio Relyea <are...@vt.edu> wrote:
>On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:
>
>>Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from them?
>
>OK, I have to admit I'm lost now. I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5 different
>localities on my OS/2 machine. What "appropriate info?" are you talking
>about? If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
>password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
>you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
>your platform. NOTE: Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've never
>tried it).
>
>
>
>
Well, I have gone down the road with two ISPs whose instructions won't hook
up to their NT servers. I am about to try an ISP with FreeBSD servers.
I am not saying it can't be done, I am just curious how to do it...
Ok, so I can admin Solaris, Linux, AIX, HP-UX and OS/2 on real networks,
even stumbled thru switching from a 56K line to a T1, but I just haven't
been interested enough in SLIP/PPP to dig thru it. Win98 just has a button-click
to sign up with nationwide ISPs, or locals will send you the junk you need.
But as you all know, there you are, stuck with Win98 and it's telnet and ftp
clients....OS/2 would be such a delight in comparison.
Guess I will just have to setup a serial link to one of the beasts and
dink thru the OS/2 process....
Antonio Relyea
>Nope, if you have a Compuserve account and use CIM for OS/2, it tells you
>that this version is no longer supported. I closed my Compuserve account 2
>years or so ago because of this. Now when I get CS cd's with 100 free
>hours, etc. in the mail, I put them back in the box after marking them
>"Refused. Return to Sender". Costs CS about 65 cents each time.
Compuserve used to allow you to dial-up PPP with them. I used to do it, but
I don't know if they still do that.
Tony.
Bob Germer
10/11/99 at 06:02 PM,
t...@starbase.neosoft.com (Timothy J. Bogart) said:
> I am not saying it can't be done, I am just curious how to do it...
IF you have Windoze 9x installed on a computer, set up a network object
and turn on logging and connect and log in. That should give you the
information you need to feed into DOIP or InJoy.
Antonio Relyea
> InJoy.
In fact, InJoy has smart-learning or whatever they call it.
Tony.