Re: OS/2 Warp 4 in VMware

[Allan]

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 17:42:55 UTC, Jim Peters <jpete...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm getting conflicting information regarding running OS/2 Warp 4 in
> VMware. Some sources say it's possible while others say it's not.
>
> Can anyone please let me know if they are running Warp 4 in VMware and how
> it's working out for them? I am looking to run Warp 4.52 under VMware ESXi
> 6.5.
>
> If VMware isn't a possibility, how is Hyper-V support? I'd prefer to not
> run in VIrtualbox as a dedicated virtualization host would be preferable
> to desktop virtualization if at all possible.

eComStation is supported in VMware, so Warp 4.52 should work too,
but I have never tried it.
I have however been running eComstation under VirtualBox for many years,
and that works really really well - with hardware VT-X/AMD-V enabled.
I'm not sure, why you call this for 'Desktop virtualization' - eCS runs just
as fast as guest, as on real hw.

BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
FUT comp.os.os2.misc


--
Allan.

It is better to close your mouth, and look like a fool,
than to open it, and remove all doubt.

[Jim Peters]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016, Allan wrote:

> I have however been running eComstation under VirtualBox for many years,
> and that works really really well - with hardware VT-X/AMD-V enabled.
> I'm not sure, why you call this for 'Desktop virtualization' - eCS runs just
> as fast as guest, as on real hw.

'Desktop virtualization' refers to running under a virtualization platform
such as Parallels, Virtualbox, or similar that runs on top of an existing
OS.

This is why I specifically asked about VMware (and should have been
clearer that I was referring to VMware ESXi) - I already have an ESXi host
set up handling lab duties, and really don't want to use something outside
of that ecosystem.

Pointers appreciated,

Jim

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 5:49:22 PM UTC-5, Allan wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 17:42:55 UTC, Jim Peters <jpete...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm getting conflicting information regarding running OS/2 Warp 4 in
> > VMware. Some sources say it's possible while others say it's not.
> >
> > Can anyone please let me know if they are running Warp 4 in VMware and how
> > it's working out for them? I am looking to run Warp 4.52 under VMware ESXi
> > 6.5.
> >
> > If VMware isn't a possibility, how is Hyper-V support? I'd prefer to not
> > run in VIrtualbox as a dedicated virtualization host would be preferable
> > to desktop virtualization if at all possible.
>
> eComStation is supported in VMware, so Warp 4.52 should work too,
> but I have never tried it.
> I have however been running eComstation under VirtualBox for many years,
> and that works really really well - with hardware VT-X/AMD-V enabled.
> I'm not sure, why you call this for 'Desktop virtualization' - eCS runs just
> as fast as guest, as on real hw.

I have also used Warp 4.52 in VirtualBox. It has worked without issue
to the best of my knowledge.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Jim Peters]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016, Allan wrote:

> I'm not sure, why you call this for 'Desktop virtualization' - eCS runs just
> as fast as guest, as on real hw.

Desktop virtualization refers to virtualization platforms that run on top
of a host OS; Virtualbox, Parallels, VMware Fusion, etc. all fall into
this category.

The phrasing of my original question could have been clearer: what I
was enquiring about were bare-metal hypervisors such as VMware ESXi. This
is the most preferable method for me to work with since it provides the
best portability of the VM in my environment.

> BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
> users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
> FUT comp.os.os2.misc

Appreciate the pointer.

Jim.

[Steven Levine]

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 02:11:41 UTC, Jim Peters <jpete...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Hi,

> The phrasing of my original question could have been clearer: what I
> was enquiring about were bare-metal hypervisors such as VMware ESXi.

FWIW, I'm not sure why you have not just tried it. It's pretty
trivial to add another virtual to an ESXi setup, unless you are
resource constrained.

If it makes you feel more comfortable, I know folks that run VMWare
vSphere ESXi on boxes such as an IBM 3650 M3 7945-AC1 with multiple
flavors of OS/2 installed. Needles to say, they run fast.

> > BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
> > users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
> > FUT comp.os.os2.misc

The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters. By
definition trolls do not think of themselves as trolls. They tend to
be output only, so anything you say to them in unlike to affect their
actions.

Steven


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[Robert Wolfe]

-=> RICK.C...@GMAIL.COM wrote to ALL <=-

> I have however been running eComstation under VirtualBox for many years,
> and that works really really well - with hardware VT-X/AMD-V enabled.
> I'm not sure, why you call this for 'Desktop virtualization' - eCS runs just
> as fast as guest, as on real hw.

RI> I have also used Warp 4.52 in VirtualBox. It has worked without issue
RI> to the best of my knowledge.

I need to find my eCS VMs so that I can fire them up under the Linux
version of VirtualBox :)

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[Robert Wolfe]

-=> JPETE...@YAHOO.COM wrote to ALL <=-

JP> From: Jim Peters <jpete...@yahoo.com>
JP> Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp 4 in VMware

> BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
> users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
> FUT comp.os.os2.misc

JP> Appreciate the pointer.

This isn't necessarily true. So of us are still around.

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[Dave]

Yes, Warp 4.52 is fine in VirtualBox, I've been running it for many
years like that. I think I tried VMWare many moons ago and it wouldn't
run OS/2 at that point, whereas VirtualBox would, hence me sticking
with the latter.

Dave

[Allan]

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:21:29 UTC, "Steven Levine" <ste...@nomail.earthlink.net> wrote:

> > > BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
> > > users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
> > > FUT comp.os.os2.misc
>
> The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters.

The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group
anymore - only spammerz and trollz. No filters help, if there are no real
uses back !

[Dave Yeo]

Allan wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:21:29 UTC, "Steven Levine" <ste...@nomail.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>>> BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
>>>> users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
>>>> FUT comp.os.os2.misc
>>
>> The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters.
>
> The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group
> anymore - only spammerz and trollz. No filters help, if there are no real
> uses back !
>

Yet, quickly looking (c.o.os2.misc), the majority of posters are using
Pronews, with some TB and SM for OS/2 and even IBM Newsreader/2 2.0.
Now some are perhaps running OS/2 in a virtual machine but I do know a
few of us are running on real hardware. I've stayed away from
c.o.o.advocacy for some time if that's what you're talking about.
Dave

[Dave Yeo]

OK, looking at c.o.o.advocacy, I guess that is the newsgroup you
referred to. Hasn't changed much besides less traffic
Dave

[T.]

Allan schrieb:

> The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group
> anymore

that's not true, some of "us" are still here - even without writing
anything ...
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kind regards,

Thorolf

[John Varela]

On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 03:06:19 UTC, Dave Yeo <dave....@gmail.com>
wrote:

I'm using ProNews in a Parallels Desktop VM on an iMac. It's the
only thing I use OS/2 for, because I've never found a native Mac
newsreader that meets my needs as well as ProNews does.

--
John Varela

[Doug Bissett]

On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 01:49:47 UTC, "Allan" <all...@warpspeed.dyndns.dk>
wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:21:29 UTC, "Steven Levine" <ste...@nomail.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > > BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
> > > > users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
> > > > FUT comp.os.os2.misc
> >
> > The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters.
>
> The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group
> anymore - only spammerz and trollz. No filters help, if there are no real
> uses back !

They don't come much more "real" than Steven Levine, or Dave Yeo.

Don't discourage anybody from posting in the useful news groups, and
just filter the junk from the rest.

--
From the eComStation of Doug Bissett
dougb007 at telus dot net
(Please make the obvious changes, to e-mail me)

[Robert Wolfe]

-> From: Dave <noone$$@llondel.org>
-> Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp 4 in VMware

-> > > > If VMware isn't a possibility, how is Hyper-V support? I'd pref
-> > > > to not run in VIrtualbox as a dedicated virtualization host wou
-> > > > be preferable to desktop virtualization if at all possible.

-> > I have also used Warp 4.52 in VirtualBox. It has worked without is
-> > to the best of my knowledge.
-> >
-> Yes, Warp 4.52 is fine in VirtualBox, I've been running it for many
-> years like that. I think I tried VMWare many moons ago and it wouldn'
-> run OS/2 at that point, whereas VirtualBox would, hence me sticking
-> with the latter.

Yeah, I have always had issues getting it to run in VMWare as well as in
Hyper-V. M$ dropped OS/2 support of ANY kind years ago.

[Ian Manners]

Hello everyone :)

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 1:36:13 PM UTC-5, Ian Manners wrote:
> Hello everyone :)

Hello, Ian. :-) Is your name ee-uhn, or aye-uhn, or ... ?

[Dave Yeo]

Even lightly using OS/2 means that you're probably not hanging out just
to troll.
Dave

[John Varela]

On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:07:36 UTC, Dave Yeo <dave....@gmail.com>

I've been here since The OS/2 Guy was a lad.

--
John Varela

[Jim Peters]

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017, Steven Levine wrote:

> FWIW, I'm not sure why you have not just tried it. It's pretty
> trivial to add another virtual to an ESXi setup, unless you are
> resource constrained.

No resource constraints involved other than the potential client not
having actually retained my services yet.

My enquiries are stemming from a discussion I had with that person.
Apparently they're running some legacy OS/2 Warp 4 machines at a number of
locations, are concerned about the longevity of the hardware as well as
compatibility with modern hardware (as well as being able to snapshot,
etc.), and would like to move them into a virtualized environment.

There's no good way to do an OS/2 P2V that I've found - taking the box
down, removing the drive and imaging it, then converting that image to a
VM and praying that the original hardware will come back up as Plan B if
the P2V fails is about the best idea I've run across.

From the standpoint of managing risk, it would likely be preferable to
keep the existing machines live, do a fresh VM install with the
appropriate software, then copy over configuration files, etc. as needed.

Unfortunately, as these machines are currently running voicemail systems
for approximately 1000 users, they can be considered production-sensitive.
Unfortunately, their earliest planned replacement date is 2020 and they
need to be stable until then, so... Virtualize them.

Jim.

[Allan]

On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 05:38:28 UTC, "Doug Bissett" <dougb007!SP...@telus.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 01:49:47 UTC, "Allan" <all...@warpspeed.dyndns.dk>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:21:29 UTC, "Steven Levine" <ste...@nomail.earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
> > > > > users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
> > > > > FUT comp.os.os2.misc
> > >
> > > The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters.
> >
> > The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group
> > anymore - only spammerz and trollz. No filters help, if there are no real
> > uses back !
>
> They don't come much more "real" than Steven Levine, or Dave Yeo.

My bad, sorry, I didn't notice, it got crossposted.
The comment was of course only meant for comp.os.os2.advocacy
and not for the rest of the c.o.os2.* groups