OS2 WARP - I've tried but F@#K it, I've had enough !!
Joerg Jooss
>I spent over 5 grand (Australian) and got a P90, 16Meg Ram, Twin speed CD,
>17 inch monitor etc etc. I know Dos/Windows backwards but got OS2 as I'd
>heard good things. I installed it with Boot manager without to many problems
>(took 4 attempts) allthough the video drivers for the Diamond stealth card were
>a hassle.
>To begin with i was quite impressed - the online help, Internet access and
>some of the Bonus pack utilities are really good. I went out and bought 2
>telephone sized books on *OS2 How to...* etc and started studying.
>Now all told i've spent about 6 months trying with this system and i've
>got to say that i have to keep going back to Windows or Dos to get anything
>done. WARP runs like a DOG on my system !!!!!!
>Windows progs run fine (but very slow) for about 5 to 10 mins before usually
>locking up. I get some DOS based proggies (Games etc) to run - but usually
>unstable. This NewsReader/2 sucks and I cant get any others to run (Device
>contention error's). Trying to get any OS2 software in Australia is a joke.
>Now i Know that some of these issues are probably setup related etc. but it
>seems to me that i would end up spending another 5 grand in Internet charges
>trying to find answers in Newsgroups.
>I guess what really pisses me of is that i've tried really hard to make WARP
>work (I know someone is going to say *not hard enough*) and endured the
>ridicule of friends etc. but i'm just not getting anywhere.
>I'm gonna buy Win95 - it'll have problems too i'm sure but at least i'll feel
>i'm running a Pentium and not a 386.
Well, if you're willing to spend 1 or 2 grands you may have a quick trip to
Europe, visit me and watch Warp running on my P90/16/4X. I'm afraid you'll
never return to Australia ...
Joerg Jooss
jo...@infko.uni-koblenz.de
hken...@mercury.ncat.edu
>
>I spent over 5 grand (Australian) and got a P90, 16Meg Ram, Twin speed CD,
>17 inch monitor etc etc. I know Dos/Windows backwards but got OS2 as I'd
>heard good things. I installed it with Boot manager without to many problems
>(took 4 attempts) allthough the video drivers for the Diamond stealth card were
>a hassle.
>
>To begin with i was quite impressed - the online help, Internet access and
>some of the Bonus pack utilities are really good. I went out and bought 2
>telephone sized books on *OS2 How to...* etc and started studying.
>
>Now all told i've spent about 6 months trying with this system and i've
>got to say that i have to keep going back to Windows or Dos to get anything
>done. WARP runs like a DOG on my system !!!!!!
>
>Windows progs run fine (but very slow) for about 5 to 10 mins before usually
>locking up. I get some DOS based proggies (Games etc) to run - but usually
>unstable. This NewsReader/2 sucks and I cant get any others to run (Device
>contention error's). Trying to get any OS2 software in Australia is a joke.
>
>Now i Know that some of these issues are probably setup related etc. but it
>seems to me that i would end up spending another 5 grand in Internet charges
>trying to find answers in Newsgroups.
>
>I guess what really pisses me of is that i've tried really hard to make WARP
>work (I know someone is going to say *not hard enough*) and endured the
>ridicule of friends etc. but i'm just not getting anywhere.
>
>I'm gonna buy Win95 - it'll have problems too i'm sure but at least i'll feel
>i'm running a Pentium and not a 386.
>
>
>
>MEBBIAN KERNOW
>
YO! This is flame bait. He works for M$. Don't respond! Flame bait alert!
Helen
larson eric
>I spent over 5 grand (Australian) and got a P90, 16Meg Ram, Twin speed CD,
>17 inch monitor etc etc. I know Dos/Windows backwards but got OS2 as I'd
>heard good things.
===========
Hmmm, I wonder if you havne't been hit by the overlapping I/O problem in
some Intel motherboards? If so, you'll need the fix that stops overlapping
disk accesses.
Do you get the lockups if you run straight VGA mode? Diamond video cards
suck (for both OS/2 and NT and probably Win95).
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Dave Sailer
meg boot manager partition. Could be the controller. Other strange things,
too, on the HPFS partition of it. Hmmm.
Dave
larson eric
>In article <41hss9$g...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> sca...@ibm.net writes:
>>
>>I spent over 5 grand (Australian) and got a P90, 16Meg Ram, Twin speed CD,
>>17 inch monitor etc etc. I know Dos/Windows backwards but got OS2 as I'd
>>heard good things.
>YO! This is flame bait. He works for M$. Don't respond! Flame bait alert!
========
If true, he's broken MS's rule about identifying himself and has also
created a potential public relations disaster for MS.
If he really is an MS employee trolling the nets, his message should be
carbon-copied to both Zackmans Canopus and to postmaster.microsoft.com.
William Z. would love to watch MS squirm as it fires an employee for
trolling. :-)
Phil Launchbury
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>MEBBIAN KERNOW
>>
>YO! This is flame bait. He works for M$. Don't respond! Flame bait alert!
>Helen
And his Cornish is crap as well..
Mebbion Kernow! Kernow bys vikken!
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Bill Oconnor
>>In article <41hss9$g...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> sca...@ibm.net writes:
>>>I spent over 5 grand (Australian) and got a P90, 16Meg Ram, Twin speed CD,
>>>17 inch monitor etc etc. I know Dos/Windows backwards but got OS2 as I'd
>>>heard good things.
>>YO! This is flame bait. He works for M$. Don't respond! Flame bait alert!
>If true, he's broken MS's rule about identifying himself and has also
>created a potential public relations disaster for MS.
Eric, get real, cripes they are all over the place! MS has NO rules!
>If he really is an MS employee trolling the nets, his message should be
>carbon-copied to both Zackmans Canopus and to postmaster.microsoft.com.
>William Z. would love to watch MS squirm as it fires an employee for
>trolling. :-)
Fire him? I doubt it. Change his ID? Perhaps.
>Eric Larson | University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Bill Oconnor
Todd A. Scalzott
In article <41jag0$j...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> ela...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (larson eric) writes:
> sca...@ibm.net Simon Cassling writes:
>
> >I spent over 5 grand (Australian) and got a P90, 16Meg Ram, Twin speed CD,
> >17 inch monitor etc etc. I know Dos/Windows backwards but got OS2 as I'd
> >heard good things.
> ===========
>
> Hmmm, I wonder if you havne't been hit by the overlapping I/O problem in
> some Intel motherboards? If so, you'll need the fix that stops overlapping
> disk accesses.
>
> Do you get the lockups if you run straight VGA mode? Diamond video cards
> suck (for both OS/2 and NT and probably Win95).
I'm curious why you don't care for the Diamond cards.
Granted, setup was a hassle, but my Diamond Stealth VRAM 64 not only
works flawlessly with Warp, but is FAAAAST.
--
Todd A. Scalzott, Systems Programmer to...@kastle.com / scal...@netcom.com
Kastle Development Associates ...!netcom!friend!todd
Team OS/2
Simon Cassling
>YO! This is flame bait. He works for M$. Don't respond! Flame bait alert!
>
>Helen
I wish i did work for M$ - I'd be earning a darn sight more money than what
i'm on here, If you wanna try and track me down by all means contact IBM after
all they got my details. How do you think i'm posting this ??
MEBBION KERNOW
Bill Oconnor
>>Helen
That's the JOKE of the decade. Do really expect anyone to believe that
there are NO Microsoft employees posting thru ibm.net. Ludicrous.
>MEBBION KERNOW
Bill Oconnor
Joe Kavale
>
>I spent over 5 grand (Australian) and got a P90, 16Meg Ram, Twin speed CD,
>17 inch monitor etc etc. I know Dos/Windows backwards but got OS2 as I'd
>(took 4 attempts) allthough the video drivers for the Diamond stealth card were
>a hassle.
>
>To begin with i was quite impressed - the online help, Internet access and
>some of the Bonus pack utilities are really good. I went out and bought 2
>telephone sized books on *OS2 How to...* etc and started studying.
>
>Now all told i've spent about 6 months trying with this system and i've
>got to say that i have to keep going back to Windows or Dos to get anything
>done. WARP runs like a DOG on my system !!!!!!
>
>Windows progs run fine (but very slow) for about 5 to 10 mins before usually
>locking up. I get some DOS based proggies (Games etc) to run - but usually
>unstable. This NewsReader/2 sucks and I cant get any others to run (Device
>contention error's). Trying to get any OS2 software in Australia is a joke.
>
>Now i Know that some of these issues are probably setup related etc. but it
>seems to me that i would end up spending another 5 grand in Internet charges
>trying to find answers in Newsgroups.
>
>I guess what really pisses me of is that i've tried really hard to make WARP
>work (I know someone is going to say *not hard enough*) and endured the
>ridicule of friends etc. but i'm just not getting anywhere.
>
>I'm gonna buy Win95 - it'll have problems too i'm sure but at least i'll feel
>i'm running a Pentium and not a 386.
>
and with the same results. If I want something really pretty to look at
and something to occupy my time (opening up all those settings) I open up
OS/2 Warp, but when I want to get things done, I have to dual boot and go
back to Windows. I really hate Windows, but my computer is a tool, and
I can't afford all the lockups. How can so many people say it runs so
great, on boot up, I can go get a cup of coffee, come back, and the icons
are just coming up. I have a 486/33 with 8 Megs.
Joseph Kavale CDR USN(Ret)
jjka...@planacc.com
Carlos Hoces
>In article <41hss9$g...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, sca...@ibm.net Simon Cassling says:
>>I'm gonna buy Win95 - it'll have problems too i'm sure but at least i'll feel
>>i'm running a Pentium and not a 386.
I'm ruuning Warp in a Pentium right now, after many years of succesful usage since
version 2.0
You are the problem and not OS/2!.
Go and buy an "operating system" that better match your personal innabilities, and
please don't bother us anymore.
>Although I have not spent as much money, I feel I have spent as much time as you
>and with the same results. If I want something really pretty to look at
>and something to occupy my time (opening up all those settings) I open up
>OS/2 Warp, but when I want to get things done, I have to dual boot and go
>back to Windows. I really hate Windows, but my computer is a tool, and
>I can't afford all the lockups. How can so many people say it runs so
>great, on boot up, I can go get a cup of coffee, come back, and the icons
>are just coming up. I have a 486/33 with 8 Megs.
I get all my things done MUCH BETTER and MUCH FASTER and MUCH EVERYTHING under OS/2
than anything else
If you don't know how to set up your system, post here your config files, and your operational
requierements, and you'll get the HELP than obviously you really need.
Otherwise please don't call the rest of us "idiots" or "liars".
Carlos Hoces
IEEE & IEEE Computer Society Member
The New York Academy of Sciences Member
TeamOS2 Member
Howard Haradon
Can some of you experts out there lend a hand to a Russian
OS/2 user? The problem is with a file that staunchly resists
deletion. I have suggested using ATTRIB to get rid of read-only
or system attributes (if they existed) and using a "?" in the
file name, but these apparently do not work. See the following
text for the results:
! D:\TCPIP\bug\c\news>del n6nfhc09?msg
! D:\TCPIP\bug\c\news\N6NFHC09*msg
! SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
Being new to OS/2 myself, I can't help much, but there are surely
some readers out there who will recognize more about this problem
& be able to offer a solution.
Please post here or email to Susi's address which appears below.
Thanks, Howard
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A R BREEN
Joe Kavale <jjka...@planacc.com> wrote:
>In article <41hss9$g...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, sca...@ibm.net Simon Cassling says:
>>I'm gonna buy Win95 - it'll have problems too i'm sure but at least i'll feel
>>i'm running a Pentium and not a 386.
>>
>Although I have not spent as much money, I feel I have spent as much time as you
>and with the same results. If I want something really pretty to look at
>and something to occupy my time (opening up all those settings) I open up
>OS/2 Warp, but when I want to get things done, I have to dual boot and go
>back to Windows. I really hate Windows, but my computer is a tool, and
>I can't afford all the lockups. How can so many people say it runs so
>great, on boot up, I can go get a cup of coffee, come back, and the icons
>are just coming up. I have a 486/33 with 8 Megs.
>
I've not tried OS/2 v3 on a 486/33/8 but I ran 2.1 on a system with that spec
for well over a year. Sure, it ran Windows applications slower than windows
did - but my experience was that they ran more stably. Sure, DOS games ran
slower than they did under DOS - but they ran. I originally set my system
up with dual boot (which *does* seem to slow things down) but after a month
or so shifted to a boot-manager setup with a small DOS partition & the
rest formatted HPFS. After another few months I junked the DOS partition
because I never used it.
My current system (586/75, 16Mb, 1Gb) seems to shovel OS/2 (V3 this time)
along fast enough for my purposes. It still has dual-boot on it (it was delivered
that way) but I imagine I'll have that off the system in a week or so. WinOS/2
seems to move the remaining WinApps I have along at a useful speed (and even
Access seems to run in a more-or-less stable manner). I still have Turd for
Windows (v2b) on the system for compatibilty with work but really only use
it to check that AmiPro (OS/2, v3b)'s file format conversion has worked OK.
All seems ok so far..
As you so rightly said a computer is a tool. My main reason for having a
computer is to be able to run my analysis programs from work without
having to come in (and without running up a vast telephone bill). These
programs are written in FORTRAN-77 & require a full 32-bit compiler. They
also take a while to run. Thus I need a machine which can run the F77 job
in the background whilst I get on with something else. Even more importantly,
a program crash must not bring the whole machine down. Still more importantly
a crash in whatever program I'm using in the foreground must NOT crash
the machine & abort the F77 job.
Before I got my current machine I considered Macs, secondhand Sun3s and PCs.
I considered OS/2, WinNT and Linux as possible PC operating systems. I
didn't seriously consider Win3.1/DOS because my experiance with this
combination had been so unhappy (shame.. I'd done well with DOS 3.2 & a
16-bit F77 compiler on my old XT). My experiance of OS/2 on the 486/33
eventually tipped the balance. The new machine has not been without
problems but these all appear to be hardware related rather than OS
problems. These problems seem now to be rectified and the machine is
running well - programs seem to run at a comparible speed to some of
the ageing ULTRIX boxes here, while allowing me to get on with writing
in the foreground.
I'd be reluctant to risk Win95 for a couple of years yet, remembering
the early versions of Windows & Win386. Perhaps in a couple of years
time - it might be worth a look. Our computer policy in the department
is certainly to avoid it for that sort of time - stability really
does matter.
I don't regard myself as a zealot for any computer OS: if I had any
way of doing my work without one I would. What I do want is something
which will run.. and run.. and run.. and not require fiddling. My
experiance is that OS/2 can do this. Which is why I use it.
It can be awkward getting it up & running (installation can be a pain)
and optimising it for your system can be a bit of a fiddle (the books
help). However once its up you should be able to forget about it and
just use the machine. Get rid of dual boot though - it does cause
problems. And the more native software you use, the easier things
become.
Its worth persevering.. give it a couple of months and see if
you still want to change at the end. I didn't.
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James DeKorse
: back to Windows. I really hate Windows, but my computer is a tool, and
: I can't afford all the lockups. How can so many people say it runs so
: great, on boot up, I can go get a cup of coffee, come back, and the icons
: are just coming up. I have a 486/33 with 8 Megs.
: Joseph Kavale CDR USN(Ret)
: jjka...@planacc.com
To: jjka...@planacc.com (Joe Kavale)
Subject: Re: OS2 WARP - I've tried but F@#K it, I've had enough !!
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.setup,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.setup.misc
: great, on boot up, I can go get a cup of coffee, come back, and the icons
: are just coming up. I have a 486/33 with 8 Megs.
: Joseph Kavale CDR USN(Ret)
don't feel bad. on my mips 4400/90 with 56 Megs at work, on boot up,
go to lunch, play volleyball, visit some friends to discuss the weekend's
camping trip and come back to see xterm starting up (seriously, about 17
minutes).
on the better side of things, it has only crashed once in 1+ year of
work due to a bad ethernet connection which had to be replaced. and it's
never turned off. in fact in the last year, I only know of 2 crashes.
one of the guys was so happy that he was able to force a reproducable
system crash he celbrated for 2 days.
on the warp side (at home), after i pulled my sb16 out, i have yet to
have a crash, but i don't run windows or dos, so can't comment on it's
support of those.
jim
Roadside Attraction
> In <1995Aug26.064204.167@painews0>, jjka...@planacc.com (Joe Kavale) writes:
>
> >>I'm gonna buy Win95 - it'll have problems too i'm sure but at least i'll feel
> >>i'm running a Pentium and not a 386.
>
> version 2.0
OS/2 2.3's making me feel like I'm running on 386DX/16, but Win95 is
making me feel like I'm running on 8086-8 with single floppy drive.
Pardon me but why is this not in *.advocacy by in setup.* (which are gone)
and misc (which I have no idea what its purpose is)? -- another words,
who's the idiot who began this thread? And why am I having a feeling that
some Win95 follower is hanging around in comp.os.os2.* groups?
Rick Lindenmayer
>In article <41hss9$g...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, sca...@ibm.net Simon Cassling says:
>>
>>I spent over 5 grand (Australian) and got a P90, 16Meg Ram, Twin speed CD,
>>17 inch monitor etc etc. I know Dos/Windows backwards but got OS2 as I'd
>>heard good things. I installed it with Boot manager without to many problems
>>(took 4 attempts) allthough the video drivers for the Diamond stealth card were
>>a hassle.
>>
>>To begin with i was quite impressed - the online help, Internet access and
>>some of the Bonus pack utilities are really good. I went out and bought 2
>>telephone sized books on *OS2 How to...* etc and started studying.
>>
>>Now all told i've spent about 6 months trying with this system and i've
>>got to say that i have to keep going back to Windows or Dos to get anything
>>done. WARP runs like a DOG on my system !!!!!!
>>
>>Windows progs run fine (but very slow) for about 5 to 10 mins before usually
>>locking up. I get some DOS based proggies (Games etc) to run - but usually
>>unstable. This NewsReader/2 sucks and I cant get any others to run (Device
>>contention error's). Trying to get any OS2 software in Australia is a joke.
>>
>>Now i Know that some of these issues are probably setup related etc. but it
>>seems to me that i would end up spending another 5 grand in Internet charges
>>trying to find answers in Newsgroups.
>>
>>I guess what really pisses me of is that i've tried really hard to make WARP
>>work (I know someone is going to say *not hard enough*) and endured the
>>ridicule of friends etc. but i'm just not getting anywhere.
>>
>>I'm gonna buy Win95 - it'll have problems too i'm sure but at least i'll feel
>>i'm running a Pentium and not a 386.
>>
>Although I have not spent as much money, I feel I have spent as much time as you
>and with the same results. If I want something really pretty to look at
>and something to occupy my time (opening up all those settings) I open up
>OS/2 Warp, but when I want to get things done, I have to dual boot and go
>back to Windows. I really hate Windows, but my computer is a tool, and
>I can't afford all the lockups. How can so many people say it runs so
>great, on boot up, I can go get a cup of coffee, come back, and the icons
>are just coming up. I have a 486/33 with 8 Megs.
>Joseph Kavale CDR USN(Ret)
>jjka...@planacc.com
The OS is great. It is the support that kills it. No driver support...
find it on your own! No software support....get it thru the mail! I'm
very proud of the OS itself. I do tremendous things with it.... much as
I did under Commodore... but it seems as though I select things based on
what appeals to me personally and not what is popular or easy..
--
Tommi Syrj{nen
>Do you get the lockups if you run straight VGA mode? Diamond video cards
>suck (for both OS/2 and NT and probably Win95).
I'm not the original poster but I've encountered similar problems on my PC.
Windows programs work fine (but quite slow) for maybe ten minutes, and
then it just stops working. Nothing short of rebooting helps.
I have a 468DX2/50, with 8mb ram (I know, it's not nearly enough, but...)
and Cirrus SVGA. I guess the problem is in setup, but I really don't know
where to start searching.
--
-------------------------
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tssy...@snakemail.hut.fi
-------------------------
David St. John
> on the warp side (at home), after i pulled my sb16 out, i have yet to
>have a crash, but i don't run windows or dos, so can't comment on it's
>support of those.
>
I have also had problems with Warp and SB16 (primarily with Selective
Install). Is this a driver problem or a hardware thing? Should I wait
for a new driver release, or should I be looking to dump this card like a
hot potato?
Ken Sissors
d Haradon) writes:
:>
:>Hello OS/2-ites,
Get a copy of Black Hole from hobbbes.nmsu.edu in ./wpsutil. I've had a
number of files that couldn't be deleted. This took care of most of them.
blckh3.zip Portable Block Hole v3.0, delete things shredder cannot
Ken Sissors
sis...@laset.net
OS/2 Warp
yat...@mindspring.com
I have a SB16 basic installed on a DELL XPS90 pentium at work and a SB16/ASP
installed in a 486DX2/66 at home. I run WarpConnect on both, but also ran WARP
f/Windows on these machines with these cards. Each time, OS/2 found it without
a single problem. You might want to check out your card's settings. Sounds like
a hardware conflict somewhere. As for drivers, check out Creative Lab's BBS. They
have the latest drivers available. Hope this helps you out.
Grant Yatabe
Atlanta, GA
Ron Smith
Tommi Syrj{nen) writes:
:>
:>ela...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (larson eric) writes:
:>
:>>Do you get the lockups if you run straight VGA mode? Diamond video cards
:>>suck (for both OS/2 and NT and probably Win95).
:>
:>I'm not the original poster but I've encountered similar problems on my PC.
:>Windows programs work fine (but quite slow) for maybe ten minutes, and
:>then it just stops working. Nothing short of rebooting helps.
:>
:>I have a 468DX2/50, with 8mb ram (I know, it's not nearly enough, but...)
:>and Cirrus SVGA. I guess the problem is in setup, but I really don't know
:>where to start searching.
This sounds like you could have a memory leak (with your video drivers). To
find out, grab a copy of a memory monitor like PM Patrol, and keep an eye on
your memory status. I'd bet it eats it up, and then starts swapping
everything.
Ron Smith
ThomasR
Joseph:
You are on the edge where a little bit of tuning can make a huge difference
in performance. You might want to check out some of the tuning tips on the
various OS/2 web sites, or just ask for help in these newsgroups.
Specifically, here are a few basic tips:
if you aren't using HPFS, make sure you remove the driver from
Config.Sys.
Make sure that you haven't boosted cache sizes in an attempt to
gain performance -- this can actually slow the system on low-
RAM sustems, as it greatly increases paging.
Make sure that your swapper.dat is set to a large initial value
for greatest contiguity and performance -- set it at
5120 16000 for an initial 16MB size, with a warning when free
space hits 5MB.
Turn off desktop archiving!
Use a plain desktop and folder background, instead of a bitmap.
Get rid of un-needed drivers, like the one for PS/2 floppies if
you have an ISA machine (or vice-versa).
Watch DOS settings -- make sure programs aren't set tu use
XMS or EMS memory that they don't need!
These are just a few things off the top of my head. Others, like getting
a fast video card, using a lower resolution or color depth, and so on
also come to mind.
Best of luck -- I've been using OS/2 for more than 3.5 years, and it's
most certainly more than a pretty shell!
G. Thomas Rush tho...@Bangate.Compaq.Com
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vt...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Viet-Tam Luu) writes:
>In article <DE6oG...@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>,
> <Tho...@BanGate.Compaq.Com> wrote:
>>
>>Specifically, here are a few basic tips:
>> if you aren't using HPFS, make sure you remove the driver from
>> Config.Sys.
>> Make sure that you haven't boosted cache sizes in an attempt to
>> gain performance -- this can actually slow the system on low-
>> RAM sustems, as it greatly increases paging.
>> Make sure that your swapper.dat is set to a large initial value
>> for greatest contiguity and performance -- set it at
>> 5120 16000 for an initial 16MB size, with a warning when free
>> space hits 5MB.
>> Turn off desktop archiving!
>> Use a plain desktop and folder background, instead of a bitmap.
>> Get rid of un-needed drivers, like the one for PS/2 floppies if
>> you have an ISA machine (or vice-versa).
>> Watch DOS settings -- make sure programs aren't set tu use
>> XMS or EMS memory that they don't need!
>
>Warp on a 486DX2-66 with 16MB and I have HPFS (IMHO installing OS/2
>without HPFS is just plain silly) installed, a bitmap background on
>my desktop (hey, you shell out money for a decent graphics card and
>then make graphics on it as plain as possible?), and all kinds of goodies
>and Warp for the most part runs zippily along.
>
>Sure it takes 2 minutes to boot (including a 30-sec shareware nag-message
>count from the SIO driver) but I've gotten around that problem by only booting
>once every few weeks. And leave desktop archiving on, it could save your
>life someday!
Well, the post *I* was replying to specifically included (last line
of his post):
I have a 486/33 with 8 Megs.
I even included that in my post, which was Message-ID <DE6oGK.G22@twisto.
eng.hou.compaq.com>. Now, I agree that HPFS is a good deal overall, but
read what I said:
>> if you aren't using HPFS, make sure you remove the driver from
>> Config.Sys.
Or do you think that with 8MB, he should keep this driver in, whether
he's using HPFS or not? And, if you don't change your desktop often,
why should you archive it every time you boot? You might want to just
keep a known-good copy archived and save some time.
Perhaps you should take a little bit more time to *read* posts before you
criticize them.
Viet-Tam Luu
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>
>I have also had problems with Warp and SB16 (primarily with Selective
>Install). Is this a driver problem or a hardware thing? Should I wait
>for a new driver release, or should I be looking to dump this card like a
>hot potato?
i have also noticed that the install doesnt recognize the sb16 card but if i select
it anyway and give the right address/irq etc, it works ok. i guess the driver is ok as
i havent seen any lockups etc. btw, i am using warp connect (blue pack).
cheers,
bazmi.
David St. John
>it anyway and give the right address/irq etc, it works ok. i guess the driver is ok as
>i havent seen any lockups etc. btw, i am using warp connect (blue pack).
Update: I recently bought Connect as well (I formerly had Warp For Win).
With this release, Selective Install recognized my SB16! I suspect
the culprit is device conflicts, basmi, because my latest install was
on an entirely new machine with new everything except the SB16. (Do you
have a SCSI adapter, my old SCSI adapter seemed to be the problem with my
old machine).
But I can't seem to get sound to work in OS/2 and Win-oS/2 at the same
time. If I start up a Win-OS/2 session with sound drivers intact, OS/2
sound goes away. It comes back when the Win-OS/2 session is closed.
forthsc
there is a switch you can add to the config.sys that will allow multiple applications
to access the sb16 simultaneously. I have it working on my home pc with sb16,
but haven't tried it at work yet, good luck.
Scott C. Forth
Consultant, Fracture Mechanics
United Technologies Research Center
E. Hartford, CT 06108
Proud member of ZNLA
"Planet Earth is blue, and there's nothing I can do" -Major Tom
scottah
>a fast video card, using a lower resolution or color depth, and so on
>also come to mind.
>
Workgroups for work related reasons only. Now I find myself
trying to get Warp working. I installed and everything seems
to work EXCEPT, I can not access my com ports in Win-OS/2,
mainly I have Winsock and Prodigy and neither will access the com
port. In order to do so I have to dual boot back to Windows and it
sucks. Yes, I installed Gwinn's sio, still no luck......any ideas?
Scott
spa...@epix.net
Holger Veit
The com ports usually work fine with Win/OS2. Did you have the COM related
settings in the DOS settings notebook for Win/OS2 correct?
Also you say "com ports". Standard systems usually have two standard ports
only, one of them often blocked by the mouse - you won't get access to this
port ever. So you likely have COM3 and COM4. Make sure that they operate on
different IRQs than COM1 and COM2. Usually they are also set to IRQ 3 and 4.
This works with junk DOS, as it won't do real interrupt handling, leaving
this to comm programs. This won't work with OS/2. If you have a real multi-
serial board that allow IRQ sharing (cheap ones with 4 serial ports on it
on an 8bit ISA bus don't do this), use SIO and configure it according to the
doc. Also, you must specifically enable COM3/COM4 support with an
additional device=com.sys line describing the ports/irqs if they are not
using the default settings as described in the OS/2 command reference manual.
On another thing: You mention winsock. Make sure that you use the
Winsock driver from the bonus pack, not some driver from Windows. Make sure
you only have a single driver of this kind in the system, and that the
DOS settings for TCP/IP under DOS (set in autoexec.bat and drivers in config.sys)
are correct.
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David Shepherd
: In <41teo6$l...@walt.tsc.com>, "David St. John" <dav...@tsc.com> writes:
: >
: >I have also had problems with Warp and SB16 (primarily with Selective
: >for a new driver release, or should I be looking to dump this card like a
: >hot potato?
: i have also noticed that the install doesnt recognize the sb16 card but if i select
: it anyway and give the right address/irq etc, it works ok. i guess the driver is ok as
: i havent seen any lockups etc. btw, i am using warp connect (blue pack).
Install noticed my SB16 without any problems - only thing that I had to
tell it about was that my printer was a deskjet
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scottah
>On another thing: You mention winsock. Make sure that you use the
>Winsock driver from the bonus pack, not some driver from Windows. Make sure
>you only have a single driver of this kind in the system, and that the
>DOS settings for TCP/IP under DOS (set in autoexec.bat and drivers in config.sys
>)
>are correct.
>
Thank you for your answer! You know how sometimes you try so hard &
you over look the simple things? That is what happened! I was using
a comm driver different from comm.sys in the original windows system.
ini file, this is what caused the problem! All I did was change the
line back to comm.drv and away she went!
Since I am new (or coming back home) to this newsgroup I apologize if
this was already posted, but I saw & used a great tip on the IBM home
page about faster load-up of win-os/2: stick something small like the
win clock or calculator in your start-up folder, this way win-os/2 is
already loaded and when you go to load a win-os/2 program you will not
have to wait as long for the win-os/2 to load. Like I said I am new
and this is most likely known to all already....sorry!
Being a dj, now I can tell my listeners (like Howard) to use OS/2!
Scott
spa...@epix.net
the...@ibm.net
>In article <41jaoq$k...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
> ela...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (larson eric) wrote:
> >hken...@mercury.ncat.edu writes:
>
>>>In article <41hss9$g...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> sca...@ibm.net writes:
>
>>>>I spent over 5 grand (Australian) and got a P90, 16Meg Ram, Twin speed CD,
>>>>17 inch monitor etc etc. I know Dos/Windows backwards but got OS2 as I'd
>>>>heard good things.
>
>>If true, he's broken MS's rule about identifying himself and has also
>
>Eric, get real, cripes they are all over the place! MS has NO rules!
>
>>If he really is an MS employee trolling the nets, his message should be>
>Fire him? I doubt it. Change his ID? Perhaps.
Trolling for Microsquish? Give me a break. I have NO doubt this guy could be
real. I know exactly how he feels. I have been proclaiming Billy the Anti-Christ
forever, have NO MS software on my system. OK I admit I have A MS mouse,
but I'm not even using it's drivers. I have been SO frustrated with getting
Warp to work, something I WANT REAL BAD, that I even spoke the "W" word
this last weekend (I have been forced at work to use a Winblows machine along
w/ my unix station and I'm *shudder* getting used to it. Subliminals must be
working). I know there is great potential here, but ALL the little glitches
sure start to add up.
My $.02.
the...@ibm.net
Mike J. Oconnor
>>These are just a few things off the top of my head. Others, like getting
>>a fast video card, using a lower resolution or color depth, and so on
>>also come to mind.
>>
>I am trying to get OS/2 working AGAIN! I was with Windows For
> Workgroups for work related reasons only. Now I find myself
>trying to get Warp working. I installed and everything seems
>to work EXCEPT, I can not access my com ports in Win-OS/2,
>mainly I have Winsock and Prodigy and neither will access the com
>port. In order to do so I have to dual boot back to Windows and it
>sucks. Yes, I installed Gwinn's sio, still no luck......any ideas?
>
you must explicitly state that parameter in the config.sys line where
SIO is located. For example
device=sio.sys (4,2e8,3)
Tells SIO to look at com 4,port address 0x02e8, and IRQ 3. Try using the
explicit parameters after the SIO statement and see if it works.
In addition, you will need to change some of the notebook setting for
Fraudigy and WinSucks in regards to the SIO drivers. Namely you will
need to turn 16550 virtualization off, as well as one other parameter that
escapes my memory right now.
Randy.
>Scott
>spa...@epix.net
>
Donna Barens
>> Workgroups for work related reasons only. Now I find myself
>>trying to get Warp working.
I myself am having problems installing Warp. I was able to get the thing running when I had a 239 meg
hard drive, but since getting a 1.2 gig drive, whenever I try to install it, it says I don't have 35 megs of
space free for Warp. I first tried the advanced installation, and partitioned everything for the boot
manager. The program asked me to remove the floppies (yes, I'm archaic) and press enter, nothing
happened. I then went for easy install, and again, I didn't have enough room. I would dearly love to
get Warp working on my system, but I am getting increasingly annoyed and frustrated. I have
contaced IBM with no response, and I have received several messages on the net regarding how to
install it. Most don't recall seeing this kind of problem before.
Has anyone else had this problem and overcome it?
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Please, Please, PLEASE!!!
Thanks in advance.
Sentiono Leowinata
>I myself am having problems installing Warp. I was able to get the thing running when I had a 239 meg
>hard drive, but since getting a 1.2 gig drive, whenever I try to install it, it says I don't have 35 megs of
>space free for Warp. I first tried the advanced installation, and partitioned everything for the boot
>manager. The program asked me to remove the floppies (yes, I'm archaic) and press enter, nothing
>happened. I then went for easy install, and again, I didn't have enough room. I would dearly love to
>get Warp working on my system, but I am getting increasingly annoyed and frustrated. I have
>contaced IBM with no response, and I have received several messages on the net regarding how to
>install it. Most don't recall seeing this kind of problem before.
>Has anyone else had this problem and overcome it?
>Does anyone have any suggestions?
>Please, Please, PLEASE!!!
>Thanks in advance.
Hi,
As a "common" agreement, OS-es uses only the first 528Mb.
If you want to install OS/2 in your 1.2 Gb harddrive, please partition it.
Here are steps to install OS/2 (I assume this is Warp) without DOS.
1. Boot it up with your OS/2 installation disk
2. Choose advance installation.
3. Go to FDisk
4. Create a partition no more than 500 Mb as primary partition (C:) and then
set it as installable.
5. Create the rest of the partition as logical drive
6. Save the setting and exit from FDisk - and go ahead with the install.
If you want to install Boot manager with multiple OS (DOS/Windows, OS/2,
Win95 and Linux for example), then you have to do more tricks.
I will just give you an example to install DOS/Win and OS/2 using Boot Manager
(this can be read from OS/2 user guide also for more details).
1. Boot OS/2
2. Choose advance installation
3. Go to FDisk and create Boot Manager
4. Create a partition (probably 100Mb) for DOS/Win and put the name for Boot
Manager and set it as installable.
5. Save the setting and reboot - Don't continue with OS/2 installation. Although
the screen ask you to put the OS/2 installation disk, don't do it! Instead,
put DOS-setup disk .. and proceed with DOS installation.
6. Upon completion, now, boot again with OS/2 installation disk. And choose
advance installation again - add partition from the free space for OS/2
(say 200Mb) and call it as logical drive, and partition the be able to be use.
Set it as installable and proceed with OS/2 installation.
One thing that you might miss, many OS-es refuse to be install on the sector
greater than 500Mb (appr 528Mb).
I hope that helps.
Regards,
Sent.
Sentiono Leowinata, Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada
sent...@cycor.ca, 902-629-2488, http://www.cycor.ca/
Donna Barens
Thank you for the information. However, I did partition the drive, as you suggested, I
put in the boot manager first, I put Warp in the first 110 - 150 megs (Warp does
recognize my entire 1.2 gig drive), I saved the whole thing, and still nothing worked.
You have suggested rebooting after the initial settings by installing DOS next.
That is something I haven't tried. But I have tried partitioning, booting, and just
plain easy installing, to no avail. With easy install, it says it doesn't have enough
space and to go to adavanced install, where we would have to repartition and
wipe out any information we already had on disk. Now so far, we've got DOS
to run on the system so we do have a working computer, but now that we have
a larger hard drive, we would like to take advantage of some of the space. Since
Warp requires a minimum 35 - 50 megs to operate, we thought we were safe. We
give it three times as much, and it still doesn't understand. We have surfed the
net, bought books on the subject, and questioned our respective computer
gurus about this, and we still can't get Warp to work.
We do appreciate your suggestions and will try what you have suggested about
rebooting. If you have any additional information or suggestions, please feel free
to e-mail us.
Thanks again for your time and knowledge.
jwa...@uoguelph.ca
s:
:>
i belive the problem here is the rebooting. it is essential that you reboot
after using os2 to create the partitions.....then you install does and
windows if you want it as well. This covered in the advanced installation in
'user's guide to OS/2 WARP' It is example 3 starting on page 264. Read
this. i have this setup except that i only have one os2 partition no data
ones or anything but this will work........
Jeff
:>>Hi,
Tom Kulaga
>Thank you for the information. However, I did partition the drive, as you suggested, I
>put in the boot manager first, I put Warp in the first 110 - 150 megs (Warp does
>recognize my entire 1.2 gig drive), I saved the whole thing, and still nothing worked.
>You have suggested rebooting after the initial settings by installing DOS next.
>That is something I haven't tried. But I have tried partitioning, booting, and just
>plain easy installing, to no avail. With easy install, it says it doesn't have enough
>space and to go to adavanced install, where we would have to repartition and
>wipe out any information we already had on disk. Now so far, we've got DOS
>to run on the system so we do have a working computer, but now that we have
>a larger hard drive, we would like to take advantage of some of the space. Since
>Warp requires a minimum 35 - 50 megs to operate, we thought we were safe. We
>give it three times as much, and it still doesn't understand. We have surfed the
>net, bought books on the subject, and questioned our respective computer
>gurus about this, and we still can't get Warp to work.
I haven't been following this thread, but you might want to try this.
Get DOS working on a 300-500M partition, ignoring the rest of the
disk. Install Warp into the same partition, then create one that
covers the rest of the disk and format it in HPFS. I'm using this
setup right now, but I did it because I wanted to, not because I
needed to. I don't know if it will solve your problems, but I know it
worked here, and I figure you've installed Warp umpteen times already,
what's one more. BTW, I'm using dual-boot right now, haven't tried
Boot Manager yet. Good luck.
-Tom Kulaga kul...@mcs.net
kul...@niu.edu
hk
>put in the boot manager first, I put Warp in the first 110 - 150 megs (Warp does
>recognize my entire 1.2 gig drive), I saved the whole thing, and still nothing worked.
>You have suggested rebooting after the initial settings by installing DOS next.
>That is something I haven't tried. But I have tried partitioning, booting, and just
>plain easy installing, to no avail. With easy install, it says it doesn't have enough
>space and to go to adavanced install, where we would have to repartition and
>wipe out any information we already had on disk. Now so far, we've got DOS
>to run on the system so we do have a working computer, but now that we have
>a larger hard drive, we would like to take advantage of some of the space. Since
>Warp requires a minimum 35 - 50 megs to operate, we thought we were safe. We
>give it three times as much, and it still doesn't understand. We have surfed the
>net, bought books on the subject, and questioned our respective computer
>gurus about this, and we still can't get Warp to work.
>
>rebooting. If you have any additional information or suggestions, please feel free
>to e-mail us.
>
>Thanks again for your time and knowledge.
I can second that. I bought a 730 drive and kept my 420 drvie as a slave.
After several tries and even partitioning the 730 into three drives none
bigger than 300mg . The last 200 or so megs were invisible. after about
200 hrs of fooling around I dumped os2 waRPED 3. bY THE way , the ibm
service said that i should phone the harddrive manufacturer, and that this
was no concern to ibm.
anyhow i through os2 in the garbage can, and personnally watched it go into
the garbage truck. Much relief to have the old msdos and win31 working smoothly
again. With the drive o/l to recognize the drive.