What is better - OS2 Warp or Red Hat Linux 2.1 !!??
Hasan Kacmaz
I have been using Os2 v3 warp for some time now. I also have Win95 in my
other partition because of Mathcadv6... But recently, I came accors
Linux RedHat v2.2 (the new one!! I am not so sure about the version #!)
which seems to give everything Linux offers + more with plenty of
software free ! this made me think about switching just for
experiment.... Anyone out there who had experience of linux and os2, can
you tell me about your thoughts about this (ie. comparing os2 with linux
!!)
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HASAN KACMAZ
" The realisationn that the pursuit of knowledge
can be an end unto itself is the beginning and
highest form of visdom "
Trevor Hemsley
On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:57:18 +0800, Hasan Kacmaz wrote:
->I have been using Os2 v3 warp for some time now. I also have Win95 in my
->other partition because of Mathcadv6... But recently, I came accors
->Linux RedHat v2.2 (the new one!! I am not so sure about the version #!)
->which seems to give everything Linux offers + more with plenty of
->software free ! this made me think about switching just for
->experiment.... Anyone out there who had experience of linux and os2, can
->you tell me about your thoughts about this (ie. comparing os2 with linux
->!!)
If you don't like hacking into text files using a primitive editor then
don't think about Linux. IMO it's for severe techies only. I have it
and run it, have built my own customised kernel and blown the system
away... reinstalled, rebuilt, got it right ;-) Linux is good fun but
definitely not for those with a techno-phobia.
There are similariites: both have a good strong online presence of
supporters who are usually willing to muck in and help out.
If you have the spare disk space, Linux is worth adding as an
alternative boot choice. It co-exists nicely with OS/2's Boot Manager
(read the doc for LILO) and can be installed in a logical drive in an
extended partition.
Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-...@dial.pipex.com or 75704...@compuserve.com)
Howard Pollock
On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:57:18 +0800, Hasan Kacmaz wrote:
:>I have been using Os2 v3 warp for some time now. I also have Win95 in my
:>other partition because of Mathcadv6... But recently, I came accors
:>Linux RedHat v2.2 (the new one!! I am not so sure about the version #!)
:>which seems to give everything Linux offers + more with plenty of
:>software free ! this made me think about switching just for
:>experiment.... Anyone out there who had experience of linux and os2, can
:>you tell me about your thoughts about this (ie. comparing os2 with linux
:>!!)
:>
I'm using both and my vote is for Warp (particularly for a home O/S).
It just feels more comfortable and is easier to configure. Red hat is
a good introduction to Unix and presents more of a challenge if you're
prepared to give it a lot of your time. There are a lot of apps for
linux, but I've not found anything to compare to the likes of PMMAIL,
PMINEWS, ProNews etc. Horses for courses !
Kind Regards
Howard
Timothy Daniel Perry
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, it was written:
> Timothy Daniel Perry wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > If you want to do everything from a command line, then linux is
> > great.
>
> What about X? (pretty GUI)
True.
How do you start your "X" programs....most likely from a command line.
Sure, you can make a nice shell around it, and it has been done, but if
you are going to maintain the system, then you will have to be comfortable
with a command line.
What I am trying to say is that maintaining and adding stuff to a Linux
box is not always that easy.... If you don't have experience with Unix on
some flavor and if you don't like command lines...you probably don't want
to run Linux.
>
> > It does come with some software, but the stuff that comes with >Warp is of far greater value.
>
> Pretty subjective, I've found the suff on my Linux dist set to be
> very useful (gcc, TCL-TK, XV, perl, Ghostview, etc). Additionally, Star
> Office for Linux is free and has been running well for me (fingers
> crossed).
GCC for OS/2: hobbes
perl: I don't know.
TCL-TK: built on perl, see above
Ghostview: recompile under OS/2 and use XFree for OS/2
Star Office: Only played with it a few times....it does seem very nice.
>
> I blasted my NT (useless) partition to make more room for OS/2.
>
> I divide my time 50/50 between OS/2 and Linux. WPS is such a nice
> environment to work with I'll always keep OS/2 around.
>
Same here. -- Tim
G Saich
Timothy Daniel Perry wrote:
<snip>
> If you want to do everything from a command line, then linux is
> great.
What about X? (pretty GUI)
> It does come with some software, but the stuff that comes with >Warp is of far greater value.
Pretty subjective, I've found the suff on my Linux dist set to be
very useful (gcc, TCL-TK, XV, perl, Ghostview, etc). Additionally, Star
Office for Linux is free and has been running well for me (fingers
crossed).
I blasted my NT (useless) partition to make more room for OS/2.
I divide my time 50/50 between OS/2 and Linux. WPS is such a nice
environment to work with I'll always keep OS/2 around.
gsa...@ibm.net
Warp IV + Slackware 96++
D.F. Yriart
Hasan Kacmaz wrote:
>
> I have been using Os2 v3 warp for some time now. I also have Win95 in my
> other partition because of Mathcadv6... But recently, I came accors
> Linux RedHat v2.2 (the new one!! I am not so sure about the version #!)
> which seems to give everything Linux offers + more with plenty of
> software free ! this made me think about switching just for
> experiment.... Anyone out there who had experience of linux and os2, can
> you tell me about your thoughts about this (ie. comparing os2 with linux
> !!)
>
As both an OS/2 and Linux user (and Win95), I would say that if you are
an individual user at home or in a small office, OS/2 is the better
choice if you need to be productive.
Linux is a Unix clone. Like all versions of Unix, Linux is a multi user
system that requires administration, even if there is only one user.
Linux also assumes the presence of a network, if you are not on a
network and want to dial into the Internet, the process is somewhat
cumbersome, as you need to log onto your system as administrator, start
the connection, and then log on a user to do work.
Linux administration is not difficult, but neither is it easy. The
effort to administer a Linux system is worthwhile if you are supporting
many users on a network, but the amount of admistration for a single
user system is essentially the same as for a multi user system. There is
a lot to learn to administer a Linux system. You can't simply install
Linux and assume you will start using applications as soon as the
software copies from the CD ROM.
Once a Linux system (or any Unix system) is set up properly, Linux can
be a very productive and flexible environment from the end user
perspective. But the assumptions in the interface and any of the various
graphical interfaces is somewhat different from OS/2. The user will have
a lot to learn too.
The philosophy behind Unix software is different from OS/2, or Windows,
so a new Linux user will have some culture shock, as things don't work
as expected, but do work in a logical way -- in a different logical
framework.
You are correct that there is lots of Linux software, but if you want
things like a GUI word processor, spread sheet or presentation graphics
application you will find that you need to buy commercial applications
such as ApplixWare or Star Office. You can learn more about ApplixWare
at http://www.redhat.com.
If you need a system for developing web sites, Linux is an excellent
choice, as the web is built around Unix assumptions, and there are good
tools for Internet style networking and support built into Linux (they
are an integral part of most versions of Unix).
Bottom line: for an end user who wants to do work with a minimum of
configuration and intrusion of the system, OS/2 is a better choice. For
building a network to support a small office that can afford an
adminitrator, Linux can provide excellent support for a group of
productive users, but the administrative overhead for a single user is
much higher than OS/2.
BTW, the current version of Red Hat Linux is 4.1 (4.2 may have been
released very recently, check the Red Hat web site). There are other
high quality distributions of Linux such as Caldera, Slackware and
Debian. The underlying Linux system is the same, the differences are in
the packaging and installation tools. IMO, Red Hat has one of the best
and easiest sets of installation tools, OS/2 installation could learn
some lessons from the Red Hat package system.
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In message <GH6B0oHp...@skypoint.com> - rste...@skypoint.com
(Richard Steiner) writes:
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:>
:>Red Hat makes it quite a but easier than Slackware did, but you still
:>need to su as root and run netcfg once. After that, though, you can
:>activate and deactivate the PPP interface at will without logging in as
:>root at all...
:>
Please tell me more about the Red Hat way of setting up so that the PPP
interface can be activated by a user. I'm running the 4.1 distribution
of Red Hat upgraded from 3.0.3. The Red Hat ppp-on and ppp-off scripts
never worked for me. I found a different set in a How-To on the web
(that turned out to be on the CD ROM too). The ppp-on script works fine,
but won't run su root because it calls yet another script that actually
runs chat.
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:>
:>FWIW, the Star Office 3.1 release for Linux is free for non-commercial
:>use. It's not a fast application, but it's very nice, and the price is
:>certainly right. :-)
:>
Where does one find free Star Office for Linux, and how big is it? How
much space to install? Can I get it on a CD for some money?
George Saich
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Depending on which X look you go with X can be pretty Icon driven. You're absolutely right though
it does require knowing command line functions to set up. But thats where the rubber meets the road.
I finally got a box with enough gigawatts to use Voice Nav/Type. Can't beat that for a freebie in
Warp.
wrote:
>
>
> How do you start your "X" programs....most likely from a command line.
> Sure, you can make a nice shell around it, and it has been done, but if
> you are going to maintain the system, then you will have to be comfortable
> with a command line.
>
> What I am trying to say is that maintaining and adding stuff to a Linux
> box is not always that easy.... If you don't have experience with Unix on
> some flavor and if you don't like command lines...you probably don't want
> to run Linux.
>
> >
> > > It does come with some software, but the stuff that comes with >Warp is of far greater value.
> >
> > Pretty subjective, I've found the suff on my Linux dist set to be
> > very useful (gcc, TCL-TK, XV, perl, Ghostview, etc). Additionally, Star
> > Office for Linux is free and has been running well for me (fingers
> > crossed).
>
> GCC for OS/2: hobbes
> perl: I don't know.
> TCL-TK: built on perl, see above
> Ghostview: recompile under OS/2 and use XFree for OS/2
> Star Office: Only played with it a few times....it does seem very nice.
>
Good point (I'm sure there is a perl for OS/2.
> >
> > I blasted my NT (useless) partition to make more room for OS/2.
> >
> > I divide my time 50/50 between OS/2 and Linux. WPS is such a nice
> > environment to work with I'll always keep OS/2 around.
> >
>
> Same here. -- Tim
In any event I don't see this as an either decision. I like both.
--
"If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail."
--Maslow--
* gsa...@ibm.net *
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Depending on which X look you go with X can be pretty Icon driven.
You're absolutely right though
<BR>it does require knowing command line functions to set up. But
thats where the rubber meets the road.
<BR>I finally got a box with enough gigawatts to use Voice Nav/Type.
Can't beat that for a freebie in Warp.
<BR>wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>How do you start your "X" programs....most likely from a command line.
<BR>Sure, you can make a nice shell around it, and it has been done, but
if
<BR>you are going to maintain the system, then you will have to be comfortable
<BR>with a command line.
<P>What I am trying to say is that maintaining and adding stuff to a Linux
<BR>box is not always that easy.... If you don't have experience
with Unix on
<BR>some flavor and if you don't like command lines...you probably don't
want
<BR>to run Linux.
<P>>
<BR>> > It does come with some software, but the stuff that comes
with >Warp is of far greater value.
<BR>>
<BR>> Pretty subjective, I've found the suff on my Linux dist set to be
<BR>> very useful (gcc, TCL-TK, XV, perl, Ghostview, etc). Additionally,
Star
<BR>> Office for Linux is free and has been running well for me (fingers
<BR>> crossed).
<P>GCC for OS/2: hobbes
<BR>perl: I don't know.
<BR> TCL-TK: built on perl, see above
<BR>Ghostview: recompile under OS/2 and use XFree for OS/2
<BR>Star Office: Only played with it a few times....it does seem very nice.
<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
Good point (I'm sure there is a perl for OS/2.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>>
<BR>> I blasted my NT (useless) partition to make more room for OS/2.
<BR>>
<BR>> I divide my time 50/50 between OS/2 and Linux. WPS is such
a nice
<BR>> environment to work with I'll always keep OS/2 around.
<BR>>
<P>Same here. -- Tim</BLOCKQUOTE>
In any event I don't see this as an either decision. I like
both.
<PRE>--
"If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail."
--Maslow--
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