Student Verdict on David Tholen (proof that he's an antagonist)

NB

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Jul 25, 2007, 12:29:43 PM7/25/07

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http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=525280

"This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."

"I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken
the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."

"This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
questions and antagonizes everyone."

Lora Crighton

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Jul 25, 2007, 12:41:14 PM7/25/07

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NB wrote:
> http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=525280
>

As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses. I
notice that you did not quote the first rating:

"really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"

--
Blessed Cecilia, appear in visions
To all musicians, appear and inspire:
Translated Daughter, come down and startle
Composing mortals with immortal fire.

NB

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Jul 25, 2007, 1:16:21 PM7/25/07

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On Jul 25, 12:41 pm, Lora Crighton <lcrigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> NB wrote:
> >http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=525280
>
> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.

On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?

> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>
> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"

That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
ratings.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 25, 2007, 2:17:21 PM7/25/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

> "This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
> lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
> I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
> nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."

I'm well aware that you're one of the biggest dorks around, nobuyout.
No need to tell me about it.

> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken
> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."

I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
about it.

> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
> questions and antagonizes everyone."

I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
it.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 25, 2007, 2:28:24 PM7/25/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

> Lora Crighton wrote:

>> NB wrote:

>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.

> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?

What does your question have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>>
>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"

> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
> ratings.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

NB

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Jul 25, 2007, 2:31:33 PM7/25/07

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On Jul 25, 2:28 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:
> > Lora Crighton wrote:
> >> NB wrote:
> >> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
> >> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
> >> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.
> > On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?
>
> What does your question have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

On what basis do you claim to speak for Crighton, Tholen?

>
> >> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>
> >> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
> >> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
> >> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
> >> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"
> > That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
> > ratings.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Prove that, if you think you can, Tholen.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 25, 2007, 3:04:33 PM7/25/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>> Lora Crighton wrote:

>>>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
>>>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
>>>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.

>>> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?

>> What does your question have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

> On what basis do you claim to speak for Crighton, Tholen?

Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, nobuyout? I
didn't claim to speak for Crighton, nobuyout.

>>>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>>>>
>>>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
>>>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
>>>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
>>>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"

>>> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
>>> ratings.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> Prove that, if you think you can, Tholen.

You're the one who made the claim, nobuyout, therefore the burden of
proof falls on your shoulders, not mine.

NB

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Jul 25, 2007, 4:54:54 PM7/25/07

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On Jul 25, 2:17 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:
> > "This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
> > lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
> > I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
> > nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."
>
> I'm well aware that you're one of the biggest dorks around, nobuyout.
> No need to tell me about it.

Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen. The person who wrote
the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

>
> > "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken
> > the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
> > rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
> > class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."
>
> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
> about it.

Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen. The person who wrote
the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

>
> > "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
> > questions and antagonizes everyone."
>
> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
> it.

Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen. The person who wrote
the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

NB

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Jul 25, 2007, 4:57:25 PM7/25/07

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On Jul 25, 3:04 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:
> >>> Lora Crighton wrote:
> >>>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
> >>>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
> >>>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.
> >>> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?
> >> What does your question have to do with classical music, nobuyout?
> > On what basis do you claim to speak for Crighton, Tholen?
>
> Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, nobuyout?

Classic erroneous presupposition on your part, Tholen.

> I didn't claim to speak for Crighton, nobuyout.

Classic evasion by Tholen.

>
> >>>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>
> >>>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
> >>>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
> >>>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
> >>>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"
> >>> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
> >>> ratings.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> > Prove that, if you think you can, Tholen.
>
> You're the one who made the claim, nobuyout, therefore the burden of
> proof falls on your shoulders, not mine.

Suffering from reading comprehension problems, eh Tholen? I didn't
ask you to prove my claim; I asked you to prove your claim.

rec.music.classical

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Jul 25, 2007, 9:01:53 PM7/25/07

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On Jul 25, 2:17 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

LOL! Were you born this stupid, or did you have to work at it?

Michael Baldwin, Bruce

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Jul 26, 2007, 12:46:41 AM7/26/07

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Hey, we're talking about Dickless here. So its both.

P.S. I'd love to see the question he asks you.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 26, 2007, 3:29:51 AM7/26/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>> "This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
>>> lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
>>> I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
>>> nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."

>> I'm well aware that you're one of the biggest dorks around, nobuyout.
>> No need to tell me about it.

> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> The person who wrote

> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken

>>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
>>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
>>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."

>> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
>> about it.

> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> The person who wrote

> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
>>> questions and antagonizes everyone."

>> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
>> it.

> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> The person who wrote

> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 26, 2007, 3:32:03 AM7/26/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>>>> Lora Crighton wrote:

>>>>>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
>>>>>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
>>>>>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.

>>>>> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?

>>>> What does your question have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

>>> On what basis do you claim to speak for Crighton, Tholen?

>> Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, nobuyout?

> Classic erroneous presupposition on your part, Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>> I didn't claim to speak for Crighton, nobuyout.

> Classic evasion by Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
>>>>>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
>>>>>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
>>>>>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"
>>>>> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
>>>>> ratings.

>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>> Prove that, if you think you can, Tholen.

>> You're the one who made the claim, nobuyout, therefore the burden of
>> proof falls on your shoulders, not mine.

> Suffering from reading comprehension problems, eh Tholen?

What does your question have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

> I didn't ask you to prove my claim;

Irrelevant, given that I never said otherwise, nobuyout. Still

suffering from reading comprehension problems, nobuyout?

> I asked you to prove your claim.

You're the one who made the claim, nobuyout, therefore the burden of

NB

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Jul 26, 2007, 10:37:15 AM7/26/07

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On Jul 25, 1:25 pm, Lora Crighton <lcrigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> NB wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 12:41 pm, Lora Crighton <lcrigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> NB wrote:
> >>>http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=525280
> >> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
> >> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
> >> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.

> > On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?

> The courses offered are listed on the university website.

Courses are discontinued all the time, Crighton.

> >> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:

> >> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
> >> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
> >> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
> >> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"

> > That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
> > ratings.

> There are not enough valid ratings to draw such a conclusion.

> Learn something about math & logic, then try again.

How ironic.

> (Not that I'm saying he is or isn't an antagonist, just that you haven't yet presented a good proof.)

я黨wぃf

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Jul 26, 2007, 10:44:02 AM7/26/07

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rec.music.classical <rec.music...@gmail.com> pinched out a
steaming pile of<1185411713....@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:

I'm sure the attention that Tholens usenet activity is drawing to his
university is *really* appreciated by the board of regents :)

All universities like to have at least one famous k00k.

NB

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Jul 26, 2007, 3:45:58 PM7/26/07

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On Jul 26, 3:32 am, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:
> >>>>> Lora Crighton wrote:
> >>>>>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
> >>>>>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
> >>>>>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.
> >>>>> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?
> >>>> What does your question have to do with classical music, nobuyout?
> >>> On what basis do you claim to speak for Crighton, Tholen?
> >> Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, nobuyout?
> > Classic erroneous presupposition on your part, Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>
> >> I didn't claim to speak for Crighton, nobuyout.
> > Classic evasion by Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>
> >>>>>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>
> >>>>>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
> >>>>>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
> >>>>>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
> >>>>>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"
> >>>>> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
> >>>>> ratings.
> >>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> >>> Prove that, if you think you can, Tholen.
> >> You're the one who made the claim, nobuyout, therefore the burden of
> >> proof falls on your shoulders, not mine.
> > Suffering from reading comprehension problems, eh Tholen?
>
> What does your question have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

Classic concession by Tholen.

>
> > I didn't ask you to prove my claim;
>
> Irrelevant, given that I never said otherwise, nobuyout. Still
> suffering from reading comprehension problems, nobuyout?

Classic erroneous presuppositions by Tholen.

>
> > I asked you to prove your claim.
>
> You're the one who made the claim, nobuyout, therefore the burden of
> proof falls on your shoulders, not mine.

Illogical that I would have to prove your claim that I made a classic
unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, Tholen.

NB

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Jul 26, 2007, 3:50:42 PM7/26/07

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On Jul 26, 3:29 am, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:
> >>> "This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
> >>> lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
> >>> I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
> >>> nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."
> >> I'm well aware that you're one of the biggest dorks around, nobuyout.
> >> No need to tell me about it.
> > Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen. But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
other people on Usenet, why don't you work on doing a better job of
teaching your students, Tholen?

> > The person who wrote
> > the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen. But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
other people on Usenet, why don't you work on doing a better job of
teaching your students, Tholen?

>
> >>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken
> >>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
> >>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
> >>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."
> >> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
> >> about it.
> > Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen. But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
other people on Usenet, why don't you work on doing a better job of
teaching your students, Tholen?

>
> > The person who wrote
> > the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen. But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
other people on Usenet, why don't you work on doing a better job of
teaching your students, Tholen?

>
> >>> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
> >>> questions and antagonizes everyone."
> >> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
> >> it.
> > Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen. But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
other people on Usenet, why don't you work on doing a better job of
teaching your students, Tholen?

>
> > The person who wrote
> > the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen. But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
other people on Usenet, why don't you work on doing a better job of
teaching your students, Tholen?

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 26, 2007, 4:00:44 PM7/26/07

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snuh...@netscape.net writes:

> rec.music.classical <rec.music...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>>> "This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
>>>> lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
>>>> I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
>>>> nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."

>>> I'm well aware that you're one of the biggest dorks around, nobuyout.
>>> No need to tell me about it.

>>>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken
>>>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
>>>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
>>>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."

>>> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
>>> about it.

>>>> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
>>>> questions and antagonizes everyone."

>>> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
>>> it.

>> LOL! Were you born this stupid, or did you have to work at it?

> I'm sure the attention that Tholens usenet activity is drawing to his
> university is *really* appreciated by the board of regents :)

On what do you base your sureness, snuhwolf?

> All universities like to have at least one famous k00k.

Which university latched onto you, snuhwolf?

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 26, 2007, 4:02:34 PM7/26/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

> Lora Crighton wrote:

>> NB wrote:

>>> Lora Crighton wrote:

>>>> NB wrote:

>>>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
>>>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
>>>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.

>>> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?

>> The courses offered are listed on the university website.

> Courses are discontinued all the time, Crighton.

What does that have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

>>>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>>>>
>>>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
>>>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
>>>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
>>>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"

>>> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
>>> ratings.

>> There are not enough valid ratings to draw such a conclusion.

>> Learn something about math & logic, then try again.

> How ironic.

Where is the alleged irony, nobuyout?

>> (Not that I'm saying he is or isn't an antagonist, just that you haven't yet presented a good proof.)

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

On your part, nobuyout.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 26, 2007, 4:27:32 PM7/26/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>>>>>> Lora Crighton wrote:

>>>>>>>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
>>>>>>>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
>>>>>>>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.

>>>>>>> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?

>>>>>> What does your question have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

>>>>> On what basis do you claim to speak for Crighton, Tholen?

>>>> Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, nobuyout?

>>> Classic erroneous presupposition on your part, Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>> I didn't claim to speak for Crighton, nobuyout.

>>> Classic evasion by Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>>>>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
>>>>>>>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
>>>>>>>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
>>>>>>>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"

>>>>>>> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
>>>>>>> ratings.

>>>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>>>> Prove that, if you think you can, Tholen.

>>>> You're the one who made the claim, nobuyout, therefore the burden of
>>>> proof falls on your shoulders, not mine.

>>> Suffering from reading comprehension problems, eh Tholen?

>> What does your question have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

> Classic concession by Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> I didn't ask you to prove my claim;

>> Irrelevant, given that I never said otherwise, nobuyout. Still
>> suffering from reading comprehension problems, nobuyout?

> Classic erroneous presuppositions by Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> I asked you to prove your claim.

>> You're the one who made the claim, nobuyout, therefore the burden of
>> proof falls on your shoulders, not mine.

> Illogical that I would have to prove your claim that I made a classic
> unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, Tholen.

Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, nobuyout? I never
asked you to prove my claim. I note that you still haven't proven your
claim, nobuyout. No surprise there, really.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 26, 2007, 4:29:29 PM7/26/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>>>> "This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
>>>>> lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
>>>>> I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
>>>>> nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."

>>>> I'm well aware that you're one of the biggest dorks around, nobuyout.
>>>> No need to tell me about it.

>>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> other people on Usenet,

Classic erroneous presupposition.

> why don't you work on doing a better job of
> teaching your students, Tholen?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
classical music, nobuyout?

>>> The person who wrote

>>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> other people on Usenet,

Classic erroneous presupposition.

> why don't you work on doing a better job of
> teaching your students, Tholen?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
classical music, nobuyout?

>>>>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken

>>>>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
>>>>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
>>>>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."
>>>> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
>>>> about it.
>>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> other people on Usenet,

Classic erroneous presupposition.

> why don't you work on doing a better job of
> teaching your students, Tholen?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
classical music, nobuyout?

>>> The person who wrote

>>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> other people on Usenet,

Classic erroneous presupposition.

> why don't you work on doing a better job of
> teaching your students, Tholen?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
classical music, nobuyout?

>>>>> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
>>>>> questions and antagonizes everyone."

>>>> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
>>>> it.

>>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> other people on Usenet,

Classic erroneous presupposition.

> why don't you work on doing a better job of
> teaching your students, Tholen?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
classical music, nobuyout?

>>> The person who wrote

>>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> other people on Usenet,

Classic erroneous presupposition.

> why don't you work on doing a better job of
> teaching your students, Tholen?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
classical music, nobuyout?

NB

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Jul 26, 2007, 6:36:18 PM7/26/07

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On Jul 26, 4:27 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

Classic illogic on your part, Tholen, given that you never asked me to

prove my claim. I note that you still haven't proven your claim,

Tholen, which I demanded you to do.

NB

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Jul 26, 2007, 6:38:12 PM7/26/07

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On Jul 26, 4:02 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:
> > Lora Crighton wrote:
> >> NB wrote:
> >>> Lora Crighton wrote:
> >>>> NB wrote:
> >>>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
> >>>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
> >>>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.
> >>> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?
> >> The courses offered are listed on the university website.
> > Courses are discontinued all the time, Crighton.
>
> What does that have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

Classic concession by Tholen.

> >>>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>
> >>>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
> >>>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
> >>>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
> >>>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"
> >>> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
> >>> ratings.
> >> There are not enough valid ratings to draw such a conclusion.
> >> Learn something about math & logic, then try again.
> > How ironic.
>
> Where is the alleged irony, nobuyout?

You would know if you had better reading comprehension skills, Tholen.

> >> (Not that I'm saying he is or isn't an antagonist, just that you haven't yet presented a good proof.)
> > Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
>
> On your part, nobuyout.

Non sequitur, given that I was not directing my substantiated and
correct claim at you, Tholen.

NB

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Jul 26, 2007, 6:44:56 PM7/26/07

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On Jul 26, 4:29 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:
> >>>>> "This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
> >>>>> lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
> >>>>> I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
> >>>>> nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."
> >>>> I'm well aware that you're one of the biggest dorks around, nobuyout.
> >>>> No need to tell me about it.
> >>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>
> > But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> > other people on Usenet,
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>
> > why don't you work on doing a better job of
> > teaching your students, Tholen?
>
> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
> classical music, nobuyout?

Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
concession.

>
> >>> The person who wrote
> >>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> > But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> > other people on Usenet,
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> > why don't you work on doing a better job of
> > teaching your students, Tholen?
>
> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
> classical music, nobuyout?

Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
concession.

>
> >>>>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken
> >>>>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
> >>>>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
> >>>>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."
> >>>> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
> >>>> about it.
> >>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> > But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> > other people on Usenet,
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> > why don't you work on doing a better job of
> > teaching your students, Tholen?
>
> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
> classical music, nobuyout?

Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
concession.

>
> >>> The person who wrote
> >>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> > But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> > other people on Usenet,
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> > why don't you work on doing a better job of
> > teaching your students, Tholen?
>
> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
> classical music, nobuyout?

Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
concession.

>
> >>>>> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
> >>>>> questions and antagonizes everyone."
> >>>> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
> >>>> it.
> >>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> > But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> > other people on Usenet,
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> > why don't you work on doing a better job of
> > teaching your students, Tholen?
>
> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
> classical music, nobuyout?

Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
concession.

>
> >>> The person who wrote
> >>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> > But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> > other people on Usenet,
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> > why don't you work on doing a better job of
> > teaching your students, Tholen?
>
> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
> classical music, nobuyout?

Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
concession.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 26, 2007, 6:49:14 PM7/26/07

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NB

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Jul 26, 2007, 6:49:20 PM7/26/07

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On Jul 25, 9:01 pm, "rec.music.classical"

You have to feel sorry for the unwitting students who sign up for
Tholen's courses. For the money they are paying, they deserve to be
taught by someone with at least an ounce of intelligence.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 26, 2007, 6:50:48 PM7/26/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>> Lora Crighton wrote:

>>>> NB wrote:

>>>>> Lora Crighton wrote:

>>>>>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
>>>>>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
>>>>>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.

>>>>> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?

>>>> The courses offered are listed on the university website.

>>> Courses are discontinued all the time, Crighton.

>> What does that have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

> Classic concession by Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:

>>>>>>
>>>>>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
>>>>>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
>>>>>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
>>>>>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"

>>>>> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
>>>>> ratings.

>>>> There are not enough valid ratings to draw such a conclusion.
>>>> Learn something about math & logic, then try again.

>>> How ironic.

>> Where is the alleged irony, nobuyout?

> You would know if you had better reading comprehension skills, Tholen.

Classic erroneous presuppositions.

>>>> (Not that I'm saying he is or isn't an antagonist, just that you haven't yet presented a good proof.)

>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>> On your part, nobuyout.

> Non sequitur, given that I was not directing my substantiated and
> correct claim at you, Tholen.

Classic erroneous presupposition that you made a substantiated or
correct claim, nobuyout.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 26, 2007, 6:53:12 PM7/26/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

>>>>>>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken

>>>>>>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
>>>>>>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
>>>>>>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."

>>>>>> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
>>>>>> about it.

>>>>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.

>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
>>> Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
>>> other people on Usenet,

>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> why don't you work on doing a better job of
>>> teaching your students, Tholen?

>> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
>> classical music, nobuyout?

> Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
> concession.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>> The person who wrote

>>>>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
>>> Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
>>> other people on Usenet,

>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> why don't you work on doing a better job of
>>> teaching your students, Tholen?

>> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
>> classical music, nobuyout?

> Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
> concession.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>>>> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
>>>>>>> questions and antagonizes everyone."

>>>>>> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
>>>>>> it.

>>>>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.

>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
>>> Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
>>> other people on Usenet,

>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> why don't you work on doing a better job of
>>> teaching your students, Tholen?

>> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
>> classical music, nobuyout?

> Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
> concession.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>> The person who wrote

>>>>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.

>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
>>> Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
>>> other people on Usenet,

>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> why don't you work on doing a better job of
>>> teaching your students, Tholen?

>> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
>> classical music, nobuyout?

> Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
> concession.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 26, 2007, 7:01:59 PM7/26/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

> "rec.music.classical" <rec.music.classi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>>> "This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
>>>> lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
>>>> I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
>>>> nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."

>>> I'm well aware that you're one of the biggest dorks around, nobuyout.
>>> No need to tell me about it.

>>>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken
>>>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
>>>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
>>>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."

>>> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
>>> about it.

>>>> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
>>>> questions and antagonizes everyone."

>>> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
>>> it.

>> LOL! Were you born this stupid, or did you have to work at it?

> You have to feel sorry for the unwitting students who sign up for
> Tholen's courses.

Classic erroneous presupposition.

> For the money they are paying, they deserve to be
> taught by someone with at least an ounce of intelligence.

That leaves you out, nobuyout.

Art Deco

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Jul 26, 2007, 8:26:59 PM7/26/07

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Who tholed?

>Newsgroups: rec.music.classical, comp.os.os2.advocacy,
>alt.astronomy, alt.religion.kibology,alt.usenet.kooks

Tholen ... must ... cross-post ...

>Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

I'm well aware that your evasions are classic unsubstantiated and
erroneous claims, Tholen. No need to remind me of this fact.

--
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads for alt.astronomy
Trainer and leash holder of:
Honest "Clockbrain" John
nightbat "fro0tbat" of alt.astronomy
Tom "TommY Crackpotter" Potter
<http://www.caballista.org/auk/kookle.php?search=deco>

"You really are one of the litsiest people I know, Mr. Deco."
--Kali, quoted endlessly by David Tholen as evidence of "something"

NB

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Jul 27, 2007, 8:37:46 PM7/27/07

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On Jul 26, 6:49 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

You're the one who claimed "classic unsubstantiated and erroneous
claim", which is what I have been talking about, therefore the burden
of proof falls on your shoulders, Tholen.

NB

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Jul 27, 2007, 8:38:35 PM7/27/07

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On Jul 26, 6:50 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:
> >>> Lora Crighton wrote:
> >>>> NB wrote:
> >>>>> Lora Crighton wrote:
> >>>>>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
> >>>>>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
> >>>>>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.
> >>>>> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?
> >>>> The courses offered are listed on the university website.
> >>> Courses are discontinued all the time, Crighton.
> >> What does that have to do with classical music, nobuyout?
> > Classic concession by Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>
> >>>>>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>
> >>>>>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
> >>>>>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
> >>>>>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
> >>>>>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"
> >>>>> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
> >>>>> ratings.
> >>>> There are not enough valid ratings to draw such a conclusion.
> >>>> Learn something about math & logic, then try again.
> >>> How ironic.
> >> Where is the alleged irony, nobuyout?
> > You would know if you had better reading comprehension skills, Tholen.
>
> Classic erroneous presuppositions.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>
> >>>> (Not that I'm saying he is or isn't an antagonist, just that you haven't yet presented a good proof.)
> >>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> >> On your part, nobuyout.
> > Non sequitur, given that I was not directing my substantiated and
> > correct claim at you, Tholen.
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition that you made a substantiated or
> correct claim, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

NB

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Jul 27, 2007, 8:40:03 PM7/27/07

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On Jul 26, 6:53 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

>

> >>>>>>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken
> >>>>>>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
> >>>>>>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
> >>>>>>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."
> >>>>>> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
> >>>>>> about it.
> >>>>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.
> >>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> >>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> >>> Tholen.
> >> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> >>> other people on Usenet,
> >> Classic erroneous presupposition.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>> why don't you work on doing a better job of
> >>> teaching your students, Tholen?
> >> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
> >> classical music, nobuyout?
> > Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
> > concession.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>>>> The person who wrote
> >>>>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.
> >>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> >>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> >>> Tholen.
> >> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> >>> other people on Usenet,
> >> Classic erroneous presupposition.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>> why don't you work on doing a better job of
> >>> teaching your students, Tholen?
> >> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
> >> classical music, nobuyout?
> > Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
> > concession.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>>>>>> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
> >>>>>>> questions and antagonizes everyone."
> >>>>>> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
> >>>>>> it.
> >>>>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.
> >>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> >>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> >>> Tholen.
> >> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> >>> other people on Usenet,
> >> Classic erroneous presupposition.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>> why don't you work on doing a better job of
> >>> teaching your students, Tholen?
> >> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
> >> classical music, nobuyout?
> > Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
> > concession.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>>>> The person who wrote
> >>>>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.
> >>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> >>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> >>> Tholen.
> >> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
> >>> other people on Usenet,
> >> Classic erroneous presupposition.
> > Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> > Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

>

> >>> why don't you work on doing a better job of
> >>> teaching your students, Tholen?
> >> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
> >> classical music, nobuyout?
> > Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
> > concession.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
Tholen.

NB

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Jul 27, 2007, 8:42:40 PM7/27/07

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On Jul 26, 7:01 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:
> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:

> > "rec.music.classical" <rec.music.classi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:
> >>>> "This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
> >>>> lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
> >>>> I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
> >>>> nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."
> >>> I'm well aware that you're one of the biggest dorks around, nobuyout.
> >>> No need to tell me about it.
> >>>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken
> >>>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
> >>>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
> >>>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."
> >>> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
> >>> about it.
> >>>> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
> >>>> questions and antagonizes everyone."
> >>> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
> >>> it.
> >> LOL! Were you born this stupid, or did you have to work at it?
> > You have to feel sorry for the unwitting students who sign up for
> > Tholen's courses.
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

There is no erroneous presupposition in my statement.

> > For the money they are paying, they deserve to be
> > taught by someone with at least an ounce of intelligence.
>
> That leaves you out, nobuyout.

You are right that I am not in any of your classes, Tholen. I know
that you have no intelligence, and therefore I would never take any of
your courses.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 28, 2007, 3:49:27 PM7/28/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>> "rec.music.classical" <rec.music...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> nobuy...@gmail.com writes:

>>>>>> "This idiot is one of the biggest dorks around. He's also incredibly
>>>>>> lazy. Seldom teaches. Doesn't answer questions. Ignores the students.
>>>>>> I get the impression he'd rather live off his grant money and do
>>>>>> nothing. A real waste of time. Don't bother with him or his classes."

>>>>> I'm well aware that you're one of the biggest dorks around, nobuyout.
>>>>> No need to tell me about it.

>>>>>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken
>>>>>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
>>>>>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
>>>>>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."

>>>>> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
>>>>> about it.

>>>>>> "This guy is a jerk. He only teaches the easy courses. Won't answer
>>>>>> questions and antagonizes everyone."

>>>>> I'm well aware that you're a jerk, nobuyout. No need to tell me about
>>>>> it.

>>>> LOL! Were you born this stupid, or did you have to work at it?

>>> You have to feel sorry for the unwitting students who sign up for
>>> Tholen's courses.

>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

> There is no erroneous presupposition in my statement.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> For the money they are paying, they deserve to be
>>> taught by someone with at least an ounce of intelligence.

>> That leaves you out, nobuyout.

> You are right that I am not in any of your classes, Tholen.

Non sequitur.

> I know that you have no intelligence,

Classic hallucination on your part, nobuyout.

> and therefore I would never take any of your courses.

Hallelujah!

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 28, 2007, 3:50:21 PM7/28/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>>>> Lora Crighton wrote:

>>>>>> NB wrote:

>>>>>>> Lora Crighton wrote:

>>>>>>>> As long as anyone can sign up and post whatever they want, true or not, that
>>>>>>>> site is useless as a source of information, & proof of nothing at all. At least
>>>>>>>> 2 of the ratings you quoted are by usenet trolls for non-existent courses.

>>>>>>> On what basis do you make that claim, Crighton?

>>>>>> The courses offered are listed on the university website.

>>>>> Courses are discontinued all the time, Crighton.

>>>> What does that have to do with classical music, nobuyout?

>>> Classic concession by Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>>>>> I notice that you did not quote the first rating:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "really nice guy, and extremely passionate about astro. if you ask questions, he
>>>>>>>> could talk for the whole lecture - which he does. very smart though. grading is
>>>>>>>> lab reports and just a few quizzes which are sometimes open notes. not hard,
>>>>>>>> good guy, class was fun - lots of fieldtrips!"

>>>>>>> That is a statistical anomaly, given all of the other negative
>>>>>>> ratings.

>>>>>> There are not enough valid ratings to draw such a conclusion.
>>>>>> Learn something about math & logic, then try again.

>>>>> How ironic.

>>>> Where is the alleged irony, nobuyout?

>>> You would know if you had better reading comprehension skills, Tholen.

>> Classic erroneous presuppositions.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>>> (Not that I'm saying he is or isn't an antagonist, just that you haven't yet presented a good proof.)

>>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>>> On your part, nobuyout.

>>> Non sequitur, given that I was not directing my substantiated and
>>> correct claim at you, Tholen.

>> Classic erroneous presupposition that you made a substantiated or
>> correct claim, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 28, 2007, 3:55:45 PM7/28/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>>>>>>>>>> Lora Crighton wrote:

>>>>>>> Classic evasion by Tholen.

>>>>> Classic concession by Tholen.

Your claim preceded mine.

tho...@antispam.ham

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Jul 28, 2007, 4:00:05 PM7/28/07

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nobu...@gmail.com writes:

>>>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

>>>>>>>>> "I am very unimpressed with this teacher. I now wish I'd never taken

>>>>>>>>> the course. A complete waste of time. He always looked like he'd
>>>>>>>>> rather be doing something else. He didn't seem to care much for the
>>>>>>>>> class or the students. I don't even know why he bothered."

>>>>>>>> I'm well aware that you're unimpressive, nobuyout. No need to tell me
>>>>>>>> about it.

>>>>>>> Classic reading comprehension problem by Tholen.

>>>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>>>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
>>>>> Tholen.

>>>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
>>> Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>> But instead of spending so much time antagonizing me and
>>>>> other people on Usenet,

>>>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

>>> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
>>> Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>> why don't you work on doing a better job of
>>>>> teaching your students, Tholen?

>>>> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
>>>> classical music, nobuyout?

>>> Classic Tholenaic combination of erroneous presupposition and
>>> concession.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

> Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part,
> Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim on your part, nobuyout.

>>>>>>> The person who wrote

>>>>>>> the original quote was talking about you, Tholen.