problem retrieving files from OLD (v3.11) server
Uolricus
need now, and, oddly enough, my old backup software, which seems otherwise
to work fine, won't restore the server's files except to a drive with the
same name as the server.
Unfortunately, the LAN board that I once used with this server is "broken"
yet I can't find the old files for yet another board I previously used.
Now, I cannot establish connectivity with a workstation without a working
LAN, though connecting the thing to Windows 9x is quite straightforward even
if one doesn't know the "password" which I do.
Hasn't anyone yet cooked up a way to read the drives from these old servers
directly to a Windows machine without having to raise the server? The
drives I have to search are SCSI and supported by Windows.
Aside from that, I could, probably, use a 3C905 board, of which I have
several lying about. However, I have no idea where I put the install disks
for that board, as I stopped using it when PCI boards became available.
Any help available here?
thanks!
David Gersic
> Unfortunately, the LAN board that I once used with this server is "broken"
> yet I can't find the old files for yet another board I previously used.
It's probably going to be easier to get a working *.lan driver for a
common network adapter than anything else you're likely to manage to
do. What working adapters do you have handy?
> Hasn't anyone yet cooked up a way to read the drives from these old servers
> directly to a Windows machine without having to raise the server? The
> drives I have to search are SCSI and supported by Windows.
To the best of my knowledge, nobody has even attempted to write a file
system driver for Windows that would do this, no.
> Aside from that, I could, probably, use a 3C905 board, of which I have
> several lying about. However, I have no idea where I put the install disks
> for that board, as I stopped using it when PCI boards became available.
Google suggests:
http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/3c905b.htm
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Uolricus
I tried that link yesterday and was unsuccessful at getting a complete
download.
I've got a couple of PCI adapters that have no identifying features, and,
frankly, since I've not used 'em in years, I'm unlikely to find the
associated setup files.
more below ...
"David Gersic" <usenet_s...@zaccaria-pinball.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:04:31 -0700, Uolricus
> <Uolricus_no_ju...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Unfortunately, the LAN board that I once used with this server is
>> "broken"
>> yet I can't find the old files for yet another board I previously used.
>
> It's probably going to be easier to get a working *.lan driver for a
> common network adapter than anything else you're likely to manage to
> do. What working adapters do you have handy?
>
In addition I have two or three ISA boards, and they'd be fast enough just
for this one download ... namely an ACCTON NE2000-look-alike, a very old DTK
NE1000 equivalent, and a few 3C501's, all of which were in working order
when stashed away. They're old, and only 10Mbps, but they'd be adequate
just for this task. If I'm going to resurrect this server, I suppose it
would make sense to copy the entire file set to a CD or two, or CF, or
something, as there are three drives that were on that server, each about
300 MB, which, by today's standards, would be teensy. The whole server
would fit on a CF that's too small to be practical in my camera.
>
>> Hasn't anyone yet cooked up a way to read the drives from these old
>> servers
>> directly to a Windows machine without having to raise the server? The
>> drives I have to search are SCSI and supported by Windows.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, nobody has even attempted to write a file
> system driver for Windows that would do this, no.
>
Too bad ... I guess that's too much to have hoped for.
Uolricus
since about 1995 doesn't include netware (.lan) drivers.
"David Gersic" <usenet_s...@zaccaria-pinball.com> wrote in message
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David Gersic
> In addition I have two or three ISA boards, and they'd be fast enough just
> for this one download ... namely an ACCTON NE2000-look-alike, a very old DTK
> NE1000 equivalent, and a few 3C501's, all of which were in working order
> when stashed away.
I'd go with the NE2000 clone first, as the drivers for that should
already be in sys:system. Just load ne2000.lan and see what happens.
Similarly, the NE1000 clone might work with ne1000.lan. The 3c501
you might have drivers for, but probably not. I don't recall those
being included in the 3.11 days.
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Uolricus
... as it turns out, the NE2000 clone doesn't work, as it's got some sort of
memory problem. The 3-com 3C509 isn't supported with a .LAN driver. My
other PCI cards, including HP J2585 and NC105 don't appear to have netware
support either,. nor does my "Network Everywhere" board.
What's happened to Netware support?
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David Gersic
> Well, I did use the 3c501's back in the day, and the NE1000 worked, too, but
So do you actually have drivers for one of these two, then?
> ... as it turns out, the NE2000 clone doesn't work, as it's got some sort of
> memory problem. The 3-com 3C509 isn't supported with a .LAN driver. My
I had 3c509 cards here working fine in servers, but that was what, 10+
years ago? I might still have a drivers disk around somewhere for
those, but it'd take some major digging to find it.
> What's happened to Netware support?
It moved on from 3.11? That version is ancient, well over 10 years out
of any sort of support by anybody. We went to NW4.11 in 1996, NW5 in
1999/2000, and then on to NW6 and NW65.
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Uolricus
"David Gersic" <usenet_s...@zaccaria-pinball.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:02:39 -0700, Uolricus
> <Uolricus_no_ju...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Well, I did use the 3c501's back in the day, and the NE1000 worked, too,
>> but
>
> So do you actually have drivers for one of these two, then?
>
>
>> ... as it turns out, the NE2000 clone doesn't work, as it's got some sort
>> of
>> memory problem. The 3-com 3C509 isn't supported with a .LAN driver. My
>
> I had 3c509 cards here working fine in servers, but that was what, 10+
> years ago? I might still have a drivers disk around somewhere for
> those, but it'd take some major digging to find it.
>
I've ordered up one of those PCI cards that worked last time I used this
server. Frankly, it's a waste, but, as I'm in the midst of moving, I can't
find the box where the other three (the functional ones) of those cards are
packed, and it may take months for me to find it. The software I'm looking
for is to help me allocate space in my new digs.
>
>> What's happened to Netware support?
>
> It moved on from 3.11? That version is ancient, well over 10 years out
> of any sort of support by anybody. We went to NW4.11 in 1996, NW5 in
> 1999/2000, and then on to NW6 and NW65.
>
Don't these also need a netware-specific driver? What I meant by "support"
was drivers provided by the hardware vendor to support the various OS'
including Netware.
David Gersic
>>> What's happened to Netware support?
>>
>> It moved on from 3.11? That version is ancient, well over 10 years out
>> of any sort of support by anybody. We went to NW4.11 in 1996, NW5 in
>> 1999/2000, and then on to NW6 and NW65.
>>
> Don't these also need a netware-specific driver?
Well, yes. As opposed to...?
> What I meant by "support"
> was drivers provided by the hardware vendor to support the various OS'
> including Netware.
We stopped buying clone parts for servers in 1992 or so. We started
buying servers from Compaq, continued on with HP when Compaq got
borged. They include NetWare drivers that work, and are kept up to
date with their new hardware.
So do the cheap Asian clone boards have NetWare support software? Probably
not. But do I care? Not really.
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> I'd add, too, that the info provided by card manufacturers including 3COM
> since about 1995 doesn't include netware (.lan) drivers.
>
> "David Gersic" <usenet_s...@zaccaria-pinball.com> wrote in message
> news:hdfpf8$73s$1...@usenet.cso.niu.edu...
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:04:31 -0700, Uolricus
>> <Uolricus_no_ju...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Unfortunately, the LAN board that I once used with this server is
>>> "broken"
>>> yet I can't find the old files for yet another board I previously used.
<snip>
If anyone is still reading this thread, I am surprised that you all had
such a difficult time with this -- I have routinely found NW3.x DSK and
HAM drivers on the 'net, to this day, for a huge number of nics, hbas,
and whatnot -- if you can't find 'em, I have a large archive and it
would not be a problem to email whatever you need.
Michael
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> I'd add, too, that the info provided by card manufacturers including 3COM since about 1995 doesn't include netware (.lan) drivers.
>
> "David Gersic" <usenet_s...@zaccaria-pinball.com> wrote in message news:hdfpf8$73s$1...@usenet.cso.niu.edu...
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:04:31 -0700, Uolricus <Uolricus_no_ju...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Unfortunately, the LAN board that I once used with this server is "broken"
>>> yet I can't find the old files for yet another board I previously used.
<snip>
If anyone is still reading this thread, I am surprised that you all had
such a difficult time with this -- I have routinely found NW3.x LAN, DSK and