2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos
Ron Dippold
you've changed your mind - but you should check the list of posters at
the end of this note to see if you are in there.
This announcement is cross-posted to newsgroups whose readers may have
interest in the candidate group; follow-ups are sent to the original
poster. If you must discuss something here in public, it should take
place in 'news.groups'
Read below for the group charter.
VOTING
You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work). Your mail
message should contain one and only one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos
or
I vote NO on comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos
You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement
involving "comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos" will be ignored as far as voting
goes, and any vote that states "I vote xxx on comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos
if..." will not be counted.
One vote per person. If you change your mind, your last vote received
will be the vote that counts. Multiple votes from multiple accounts
for one person are ineligible.
VOTING RESULTS
The voting period will run from the time of this posting till 11:59:59
PM, Tuesday, March 23, 1993. Anything recieved after this time will be
ineligible. Results will be posted on Friday, March 26.
Within this period I will be making two additional Call For Vote
postings. At these times I will list all voters (without indicating
their votes). For the final results, the votes will be listed by vote.
If the group passes by at least 100 votes and if at least two thirds of
the votes are for group creation, and there are no questions raised
about the vote, the group will be created by the newsgroups moderator
after the prescribed period of 5 days.
VOTE TAKER NOTES
I RFDed, CFVed, and am now taking the votes for this group. This is
not unusual, but can lead to potentially nasty situations. As I want
to avoid any impropriety in the vote, any lengthy flamewars, or
anything else that might tangle the group in controversy:
As of the time this CFV is posted, I will cease to campaign for or
against this group, in public or in private. I will answer
questions about the group and point interested parties to the CFVs,
but will not advocate that they vote for or against it.
Rationale and Charter
This group will exist for the purpose of discussing group demos and the
groups behind these demos. This involves membership issues, demo
ratings, discussion of special techniques, new demo announcements, and
anything else pertaining to them.
Group demos are graphics (and usually sound) demonstration programs
which exist mostly for the purpose of stretching the capabilities of the
computer and showing off the programming, graphics, and music
composition skills of the authors of the demos. Generally this involves
showing off graphics tricks while music plays in the background.
Smaller version of these are sometimes known as "loaders" - If you
remember the old 8-bit days, many pieces of software had scrolling text
demos with music.
**** These are _not_ demos of games or applications **** , such as a new
shareware game, word processor, or operating system. These are
self-contained and the only thing they are demoing is the skills of the
authors of the demo.
This group is not for the posting of demos - the demos will have to be
obtained through ftp (as is currently done), through a mail server, or
through the binaries groups.
Group demos may be produced by an individual, but usually are produced
by a demo group such as The Space Pigs or Renaissance. There are at
least two dozen such groups for the IBM PC (many with members on Usenet,
and more who could get access). They churn out quite a few demos and
have expressed interest in an international discussion forum.
Please do not confuse these demo groups with pirate groups. These
groups exist for the sole purpose of creating demos (and games) and do
not engage in piracy. Pirate group do occasionally create an
occasional small demo (a loader), but these are almost always of
extremely inferior quality.
Currently there is no place for discussion of these demos although there
are a few "official" demo respositories (ftp.uwp.edu). The discussion
often ends up on comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard (which is somewhat
inappropriate in that sound is often the least impressive part of the
demos) or otherwise scattered around the net. Demos don't really fit in
any existing group.
They're not everybody's cup of tea, but the existence of so many demo
groups and those who follow them indicate quite a large following, which
the RFD for this group confirmed. The Amiga demos group is quite
active, and we hope this one will be as well.
This is the current list of people I think have voted:
921...@info.umoncton.ca (LEBLANC ERIC)
akt...@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
a...@stanley.cis.brown.edu (Andre Lehovich)
amb...@staff.tc.umn.edu
Andrew Robinson <robi...@cs.psu.edu>
an...@vistachrome.com (Andrew Finkenstadt)
avi...@cheshire.oxy.edu (James Bothwell Avison)
AWA...@mta.ca (Happy Happy Joy Joy)
B64...@UTARLG.UTA.EDU
bor...@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
bou...@isis.cshl.org (Tom Boutell)
br...@audiofax.com (Brian TroxeLL)
bru...@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Bruce Jorgens )
bs...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John J. Brassil)
bs...@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson)
Burt N Holzman <bu...@cmu.edu>
ca...@acsu.buffalo.edu (Dave Carr)
cca...@prism.gatech.edu
ch...@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Chris Harris <C.Ha...@cs.ucl.ac.uk>
Chris Marble <CMA...@HMCVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Cord Beermann <cor...@fhlip.ee.fh-lippe.de>
cs_...@ceres.kingston.ac.uk
cybe...@exuco1.exucom.com (Stephen R. Phillips)
"Dan Wright" <d...@eel.ufl.edu>
"Daniel Falk" <D91...@trisse.hj.se>
"Daniel Sjoeberg" <D91...@trisse.hj.se>
Daniel Starr <starr-...@YALE.EDU>
David Cornish <dav...@ddbeano.dundee.NCR.COM>
David E. Goggin <dt4%c...@hub.ucsb.edu>
"David J Dutcher-1" <dutc...@student.tc.umn.edu>
David Reeve Sward <swa...@cmu.edu>
dtut...@attmail.att.com
e9...@efd.lth.se (/usr/spool/mail/e92md)
"Elan Feingold" <el...@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu>
"Eric J. Olson" <e...@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
Erik 'legalize me' Soderstrom <t92e...@und.ida.liu.se>
Ernest A. Cline <cl...@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu>
etl...@etlxd20.ericsson.se (Jim)
EWI...@MARS.GOV.BC.CA (Ed Wilts)
exu...@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
<ferg...@gidday.enet.dec.com>
FOMBARON marc <Marc.F...@ufrima.imag.fr>
fr...@rattle.choate.edu (Tom Walcott)
gl...@qualcomm.com (George Lane)
gm...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gabriel Moy)
Greg Sachs <gsa...@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
grou...@daimi.aau.dk (Morten Grouleff)
gt2...@prism.gatech.edu (Unknown)
Hamish_...@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hamish Hubbard)
harr...@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Henrik Nordstrom <sp2h...@obelix.his.se>
hod...@informatik.uni-koblenz.de
homebru!smith!di...@cs.uchicago.edu
h...@floor.uucp.risc.net (High Priest)
James R Lendino <jr...@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu>
Jari Petri Karjala <j...@Niksula.hut.fi>
Jason_...@fcircus.sat.tx.us (Jason Burrell)
jdu...@prism.nmt.edu (John Duncan)
jhen...@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca ( John Henders )
Jim Nelson <jne...@plains.NoDak.edu>
jmay...@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard)
"JOE COULSON, KY389 LTC-NORTH, 6-9712" <COULSON_...@LILLY.COM>
John Herndon <jhe...@eis.calstate.edu>
jo...@iastate.edu
Joshua Randall <randall...@YALE.EDU>
j...@ukc.ac.uk
jps...@ukpr.uky.edu (Dark Knight)
jra...@staff.tc.umn.edu
Karhu Jouni <k11...@cc.tut.fi>
kek...@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.E. Kindler )
ke...@zombie.oulu.fi (Jarkko Kemppainen)
Ken Fishkin <fis...@parc.xerox.com>
Kenneth Herron <khe...@ms.uky.edu>
kev...@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Kludge <klu...@u.washington.edu>
KOENIG gerald <Gerald...@ufrima.imag.fr>
kr...@krypton.mankato.msus.edu (Jeff M Krusz)
Lars...@max.cc.uregina.ca
le...@oldham.gpsemi.com (Lee Burley)
Louis Solomon <loui...@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
mag...@park1.park.se (Magnus Domeij Tek22)
Marc Moorcroft <sma...@zooid.guild.org>
Marc Rouleau <me...@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Matt Schikore <schi...@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
"Matthew E. Bernold" <MEB...@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
mesh...@ee.udel.edu
mh...@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Hatz)
Michael Quinn <MJQ...@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
mich...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mike Battersby)
MMIK...@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi (Marko Mikkola , 931-2407 478)
Moonrise Programmer <yu...@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Morgan Stair <Morgan...@dl5000.bc.edu>
m...@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
mrma...@eos.ncsu.edu
mtbou...@ucdavis.edu (The Frenchman)
ne...@borris.eece.unm.edu
Noel Bovens <FPAAU11%BLEKUL1...@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
nrab...@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Nancy Rabinowitz)
nv90...@nada.kth.se
oli...@coombs.anu.edu.au (Oliver White)
over...@nada.kth.se
ow...@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu (Bill Owens)
Parik Rao <up...@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu>
Paul Cunnell <pcun...@micrognosis.co.uk>
Paul Greve <pgr...@cs.ruu.nl>
paw...@okanagan.bc.ca (Philip Arthur White)
pi...@tamu.edu (The Man Behind The Curtain)
pked...@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky)
pw...@ukc.ac.uk
R Andrew Hayden <raha...@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
rdip...@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Reply-To: m...@orglobe.intel.com (Mike Northam)
RH Schone <ho...@kauri.vuw.ac.nz>
ri...@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Robert Ruthven <rob...@hektar.welly.gen.nz>
Rob...@sunsci.cern.ch
rob...@brahms.amd.com (Dave Roberts)
Roland Kaltefleiter <kal...@theo-physik.uni-kiel.dbp.de>
rol...@paul.choate.edu (David A. Braun)
rst...@eis.calstate.edu (Randy W. Stoller)
run...@dhhalden.no (RUNE HALFDAN HOLST HUSEBY)
Ryan Bayne <ryan....@canrem.com>
SAMS...@kapsch.co.at (Wolfgang....@kapsch.co.at +43 1 81111-2316)
she...@iastate.edu
Shula Ben-Asher <s163...@techst02.technion.ac.il>
si...@grimaldi.rutgers.edu (Silk Merchant)
SL...@CC.USU.EDU (wReam)
sro...@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)
Stephen Lau <l...@ai.sri.com>
Steve_...@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (Steve Demuth)
Steven T Chiang <st...@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu>
s...@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
ta...@netcom.com (Taero Patterson)
Talkie Toaster <ma9...@brunel.ac.uk>
Tall Cool One <rky5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
tf...@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
"Thomas D Gasser-1" <tho...@staff.tc.umn.edu> (Thomas D.Gasser)
"Tim Triemstra" <emp...@ais.org>
Tod B Bussert <tbbu...@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu>
Tom Swingle <tswi...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>
Tony Wilson <wil...@stc.nato.int>
tr...@graphon.com (Troy Morrison)
trux%c...@ph.gmr.com (Chris Rende)
"TTT" <D91...@trisse.hj.se>
v91...@brabander.si.hhs.nl
viamar!kme...@rutgers.edu (Kirk Membry)
war...@instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (Michael Warning)
WILS...@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU
Xander Wemmers <xawe...@cs.ruu.nl>
zo...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Scott E Flowers)
zste...@nyx.cs.du.edu (Zhahai Stewart)
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