Upload to the Garbo PC Software Archive?

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Harry Potter

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Nov 18, 2019, 7:46:46 AM11/18/19
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Hi! How do I upload to the Garbo PC Software Archive? I want to upload my Template Creator for DOS program and am working on another program to upload.

T. Ment

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Nov 18, 2019, 11:27:12 AM11/18/19
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Nobody wants 1 user software on Garbo. Show some users first.


Robert Prins

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Nov 18, 2019, 12:39:00 PM11/18/19
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You are obviously totally clueless. Garbo died, many, many years ago!

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T. Ment

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Nov 18, 2019, 12:51:10 PM11/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:39:09 +0000, Robert Prins wrote:

>On 2019-11-18 12:46, Harry Potter wrote:
>> Hi! How do I upload to the Garbo PC Software Archive? I want to upload my
>> Template Creator for DOS program and am working on another program to
>> upload.
>>
>
>You are obviously totally clueless. Garbo died, many, many years ago!

Don't be a jerk. You're no mental health expert. Atheist I suspect.



Herbert Kleebauer

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Nov 18, 2019, 4:13:17 PM11/18/19
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Garbo was maintained by Prof. Timo Salmi, his last post in alt.msdos.batch.nt
was more than a year ago, but Garbo died already 2012:

|| An important note: The workstation hosting Garbo at the
|| University of Vaasa, Finland, has broken down in 2012. This
|| is final. The university's ICT Management informs that the
|| broken workstation will not be replaced. Thus the Garbo
|| library has ceased to exist. The relevant
|| copyrights, however, are not released.

T. Ment

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Nov 18, 2019, 4:28:03 PM11/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 22:13:15 +0100, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:

> Garbo was maintained by Prof. Timo Salmi, his last post in alt.msdos.batch.nt
> was more than a year ago, but Garbo died already 2012:

Garbo mirror still available:

https://archive.org/download/2012.11.24.ftp-garbo-mirror



Sjouke Burry

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Nov 18, 2019, 5:02:35 PM11/18/19
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Yep. downloaded the dos part a few years ago.

Herbert Kleebauer

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Nov 18, 2019, 5:32:00 PM11/18/19
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The subject of this thread is: "Upload to the Garbo PC Software Archive".
You can't upload anything to an archive or mirror of Garbo.
Garbo is dead, a mirror is just a snapshot of Garbo at a
time where Garbo still was alive.


T. Ment

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Nov 18, 2019, 6:16:46 PM11/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:31:59 +0100, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:

>> Garbo mirror still available:

>> https://archive.org/download/2012.11.24.ftp-garbo-mirror

> The subject of this thread is: "Upload to the Garbo PC Software Archive".
> You can't upload anything to an archive or mirror of Garbo.
> Garbo is dead, a mirror is just a snapshot of Garbo at a
> time where Garbo still was alive.

This thread is whatever the OP wants to talk about. Maybe you don't know
Harry. He wrote some code and wants people to use it. He doesn't care
how that happens. Garbo was just one of his ideas. No need for anyone to
go ballistic or be rude to Harry.


Harry Potter

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Nov 19, 2019, 7:29:05 AM11/19/19
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T. Ment, I thank you for your support. You're right about me: I *really* want people to use my software and to get some exposure for it.

Frank Slootweg

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Nov 19, 2019, 8:34:27 AM11/19/19
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As to Garbo being 'dead', I thought/think this is kind of funny:

$ nslookup garbo.uwasa.fi
...
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: garbo.uwasa.fi
Address: 193.166.122.111

And when you enter 'garbo.uwasa.fi' in your webbrowser, it gets
redirected to

http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~ts/garbo.html

which responds with:

"Not Found
The requested URL /~ts/garbo.html was not found on this server."

Note the '~ts' and 'garbo' bits.

(But indeed a 'ping' to 'garbo.uwasa.fi' fails.)

Frank Slootweg

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Nov 19, 2019, 8:52:05 AM11/19/19
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Thanks for that!

If/when I'm really bored, I might have a look if my old - rather
useless - stuff from the comp.binaries.ibm.pc newsgroup is still on
there! :-)

Who remembers the 'CBIP Starter's Kit', which had an *executable-text*
version of a minimal uudecode program, which could be used to uudecode
the full uudecode program!? :-)

Such fond memories!

T. Ment

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Nov 19, 2019, 11:37:11 AM11/19/19
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On 19 Nov 2019 13:52:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

>> Garbo mirror still available:

>> https://archive.org/download/2012.11.24.ftp-garbo-mirror

> Thanks for that!

It unzipped for me. Expanded takes another 1 GB or so. The UPLOAD.TXT
file in /pub/pc/garbo/pc has the answer to Harry's question. Just need
to roll back a few years.



How to submit to garbo.uwasa.fi MS-DOS archives Mon 28-Jul-2003
-----------------------------------------------

This file is ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/UPLOAD.TXT

+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| First please check http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/garbinfo/garb1996.html |
| "What is Garbo's current incoming uploads open/closed status?" |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+

The X in the addresses throughout this file is a spamguard to be
deleted.

Q: I have made some programs myself (or written a scientific paper)
which I think might be of general interest. Or I have obtained this
fabulous program which I think would be of general interest. Or I
have a more recent version of this shareware, freeware or public
domain program than what you have on your archives. Would it be
possible to upload them to your FTP archives?

A1: A summary for experienced users. Check carefully before uploading!
- Quality software solicited.
- Please use /pc/UPTEXT.TXT for the compulsory announcement outline.
- Email your *MS-DOS* upload announcement to pc...@uwasaX.fi
- MS-DOS uploads without _email_ to pc...@uwasaX.fi will be deleted!
- Compulsory descriptive subject in your email STARTING with the file
name!
(Example: "gismo10.zip Global Integrated Simulation Model uploaded")
- Use only .zip (2.04G or Info-ZIP's compatible) (also for bare text
files).
- Don't forget to transfer your .zip file in the binary mode.
- Use version numbers and unique, non-reserved file names (check our
index).
- If made with Unix zip, still use MS-DOS eolns for embedded text
files.
- If yours, include documentation in package, or make self-documenting.
- FTP MS-DOS files to /pc/incoming (Windows files to
/windows/incoming).
- Your message will be used as such for announcing on the news.
- Your message's right margin no further than at column 72.
- Don't use tabs in writing to us.
- English only (goes both for the programs and your announcement).
- Emphasis on MS-DOS utilities, not all subject categories carried.
- Programs that stop working after a fixed date will not be accepted.
- If not yours, check that it is distributable, i.e. PD or shareware.
- Fully developed programs. No alpha or beta test program versions.
- Do not include vbrunxxx.dll files. They are available separately.
- If it is both an MS-DOS & Windows package, MS-DOS takes precedence.
- No special limitations on distributability (eg no CD-ROM) are
allowed.
- You have to disclose your full name. No anonymous or aka uploads.
- Please be patient. Our queues can be quite long.

Please be forewarned:
So much material is now being uploaded to Garbo by the gentle
users that we have had to set up an autokill program at Garbo. It
summarily weeds all non-zipped files from the /pc/incoming,
/windows/incoming and /win95/incoming directories.
You cannot upload the compulsory upload announcement by FTP. You
have to email it to pc...@uwasaX.fi (or the other given email
aliases for other than MS-DOS files). For the format of the
compulsory upload announcement please see
ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/UPTEXT.TXT
We have to insist that the emailed upload announcement's subject
header starts with the file name. If it does not, we'll have to
discard. We have so many upload announcements that we cannot keep
track else.
(Example: "gismo10.zip Global Integrated Simulation Model uploaded")
Sorry to have to be this strict, but we no longer have any other
choice for practical reasons.


JJ

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Nov 19, 2019, 11:41:43 AM11/19/19
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 04:29:04 -0800 (PST), Harry Potter wrote:
> T. Ment, I thank you for your support. You're right about me: I *really*
> want people to use my software and to get some exposure for it.

The problem is that people's interrest on DOS platform has been dwindling
down to near nothing. Usenet and mailing list are probaly the only place
where DOS is still an active discussion. There are website with forum
sections for DOS, but mostly are related to game and programming. It hard to
find one which relates to general DOS softwares.

Kerr-Mudd,John

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Nov 19, 2019, 12:17:09 PM11/19/19
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 13:52:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Not me; I reinvented that wheel.
Can you give me a pointer?

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Frank Slootweg

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Nov 19, 2019, 1:13:00 PM11/19/19
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Sorry, doesn't compute! Can I give you a pointer for *what*?

T. Ment

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Nov 19, 2019, 1:20:41 PM11/19/19
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On 19 Nov 2019 18:12:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

>> > Who remembers the 'CBIP Starter's Kit', which had an *executable-
>> text*
>> > version of a minimal uudecode program, which could be used to uudecode
>> > the full uudecode program!? :-)
>> >
>> > Such fond memories!
>> >
>> Not me; I reinvented that wheel.
>> Can you give me a pointer?
>
> Sorry, doesn't compute! Can I give you a pointer for *what*?

How to find "CBIP Starter's Kit" would be my guess.


Frank Slootweg

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Nov 19, 2019, 2:31:57 PM11/19/19
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The 'CBIP Starter's Kit' was regularly posted to the (moderated)
comp.binaries.ibm.pc newsgroup. AFAIR, the Garbo archive contained all
binaries/posts from comp.binaries.ibm.pc. If that's correct, the Garbo
mirror at <https://archive.org/download/2012.11.24.ftp-garbo-mirror>
should have copies of the 'CBIP Starter's Kit'.

[N.B. Most of this wisdom is brought to you from my file:
21/05/1996 13:16 1,241 uudecode.rec
where '.rec' means recording, i.e. a (posted) answer to a frequently
asked question.]

BTW, I tried a few Google searches to find the 'CBIP Starter's Kit',
but the best I found was a Russian document explaining how to create the
executable-text version of the minimal uudecode program! :-)

BTW2, finding DEBUG (.DBG) versions - i.e. also text - of uudecode is
much easier. AFAIR, DEBUG was standard in MS-DOS, so that was a good
alternative for the executable-text version.

Kerr-Mudd,John

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Nov 19, 2019, 4:53:32 PM11/19/19
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That's why I was asking!

> BTW2, finding DEBUG (.DBG) versions - i.e. also text - of uudecode
> is
> much easier. AFAIR, DEBUG was standard in MS-DOS, so that was a good
> alternative for the executable-text version.

OK; will try that.

I see
http://www.retroarchive.org/garbo/pc/decode/uudecode.dbg

but that's not text only.

OK looks like this is it:

http://www.retroarchive.org/cdrom/garbo_dos/doc-net/cbipstar.txt

Kerr-Mudd,John

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Nov 20, 2019, 12:07:28 PM11/20/19
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It's all a bit late now, but 2 years ago I made one a bit smaller:
(of course there's no help, no file save etc.)

ZRPhI0XRP5I1RPRR4hPPa+G71GaRX5OV1GG1GIG8+r6238w6t183t+=rYFRUZ22=
6602Zeeeeee0222====MJ=17======6eeeeGWSW///SoRKi8A9oAlpinMIP5lpad
EGinMIC3asbalputEEA2asA9a6N7E7E7lperHQD7sAroEGI8si5Sh8G7v7h8baba
w7a7OCh8ECP7G7EGG7sCjea69PUnSozeEdYoxbW7pL3P=
tAm6CAHNIcNIZWxsbyB3b3JsZCEk=

Frank Slootweg

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Nov 20, 2019, 2:10:13 PM11/20/19
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What I meant is that you could use the DEBUG (.dbg) version without
any additional software, because (AFAIR) DEBUG was standard in MS-DOS.

For other versions, such as the BASIC or C versions, you needed
additional software (BASIC interpreter, C compiler), which was not
standard in MS-DOS.
Yes it is! Excellent find! Thanks!

Computer Nerd Kev

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Nov 20, 2019, 4:51:18 PM11/20/19
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T. Ment <t.m...@protocol.invalid> wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2019 13:52:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>>> Garbo mirror still available:
>
>>> https://archive.org/download/2012.11.24.ftp-garbo-mirror
>
>> Thanks for that!
>
> It unzipped for me. Expanded takes another 1 GB or so.

For those like me who do their best to avoid the trouble of
downloading/storing GBs of data, there are still FTP mirrors
of Garbo online:

ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/pc/garbo
ftp://major.butt.care/mirrors/garbo.uwasa.fi/pub/pc/garbo

That's doesn't help for uploading of course.

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