QEMM 7 VS. Memmaker
Andrew Scott
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Jim Knepley
>What would you go for and why; QEMM V7 or DOS 6.2 & Memmaker?
QEMM v7.04 big time.
Why? I get 642,000 bytes free with QEMM, the memmaker machines at work
are loading different programs but a simmilar quantity and have around
400k.
'nuff said.
Jim
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>From: Andrew...@Dundee.NCR.COM (Andrew Scott)
>Subject: QEMM 7 VS. Memmaker
>Date: 22 Sep 94 20:23:02 GMT
I really like QEMM 7.04, but I'll tell you that I do not trust either QEMM's
Optimize or DOS's Memmaker for automagically optimizing where drivers and
TSR's get loaded. I recently ran Optimize in version 7 and it hung my machine
trying to do its stealthing. I have never had much luck running the Optimize
from the older versions either. I recommend "manual" optimization using the
QEMM 7 memory manager - you'll get better optimization if you do it
yourself....
Mike Honeycutt
I strongly recommend Memmaker's big brother - Net Room 3.
I've tried most of the memory managers over the years and
Net Room was painless. I've seen several postings that
suggest QEMM *might* give you more memory (5K to 10K
in most cases) but I found it to be very difficult to use.
Just my opinion.
Mike Honeycutt UNC Asheville University Computing hone...@unca.edu
Jim Duncan
Andrew Scott <Andrew...@Dundee.NCR.COM> wrote:
>What would you go for and why; QEMM V7 or DOS 6.2 & Memmaker?
My strategy is to try the latter first, then if I absolutely have
to have more conventional memory, I use QEMM. Memmaker doesn't
stretch for that last kB of free memory like QEMM but is much
simpler to use, not requiring all the fiddling often needed for
QEMM. QEMM can make for some very complex looking config and
autoexec files. QEMM is more prone to conflicts than a Memmaker
setup.
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Eugen Woiwod
> My strategy is to try the latter first, then if I absolutely have
> to have more conventional memory, I use QEMM. Memmaker doesn't
> stretch for that last kB of free memory like QEMM but is much
> simpler to use, not requiring all the fiddling often needed for
> QEMM. QEMM can make for some very complex looking config and
> autoexec files. QEMM is more prone to conflicts than a Memmaker
> setup.
Sure, optimize is prone, but it's easy for most people to fix. I just
upgraded to QEMM v7.05 and it's a excellent improvement. I would not use
memmaker since it's dangerous for one(the way it tries to use memory can do
some damage), and besides, Memmaker should be called Memcrap, because it
can't reclaim any good amount of conventional memory. Can Memmaker get 634k
free of Conventional memory like QEMM(NOPE)
Ttul
Wayne Dyer
: What would you go for and why; QEMM V7 or DOS 6.2 & Memmaker?
After wasting time with 386MAX (which tries to do too much with its
Windows Dos tricks) I'd say go for QEMM if you need the extra memory.
Memmaker is safer, I've never had trouble with it since it doesn't try to
ferret out hidden memory inside ROM images, etc. But, QEMM will squeeze
more conventional memory out then Memmaker provided you're willing to put
a little effort in.
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Edward Wong
: What would you go for and why; QEMM V7 or DOS 6.2 & Memmaker?
I don't use qemm anymore, and definitely no memmaker! Currently I am using
netroom 3.03 plus multimedia cloaking (useful if you have cdrom drives).
Anyway, although I only have 617K low memory available, I still have 30K
upper left! As in QEMM, the best I can get with the same setting was 599K
low memory and 3K upper.
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Anssi Saari
:>Andrew Scott (Andrew...@Dundee.NCR.COM) wrote:
:>: What would you go for and why; QEMM V7 or DOS 6.2 & Memmaker?
:>I don't use qemm anymore, and definitely no memmaker! Currently I am using
:>netroom 3.03 plus multimedia cloaking (useful if you have cdrom drives).
:>Anyway, although I only have 617K low memory available, I still have 30K
:>upper left! As in QEMM, the best I can get with the same setting was 599K
:>low memory and 3K upper.
That doesn't really say much. How's about telling how much UMBs you have?
Like, for example, QEMM gives me 632K free conventional and 57K free UMBs,
while I'm using 150K UMBs.
Anssi
Mark A. Lynch
: Andrew Scott (Andrew...@Dundee.NCR.COM) wrote:
: : What would you go for and why; QEMM V7 or DOS 6.2 & Memmaker?
: I don't use qemm anymore, and definitely no memmaker! Currently I am using
: netroom 3.03 plus multimedia cloaking (useful if you have cdrom drives).
: Anyway, although I only have 617K low memory available, I still have 30K
: upper left! As in QEMM, the best I can get with the same setting was 599K
: low memory and 3K upper.
I use Qemm 7.04 with the stealth feature on about 8 machines that have
scsi controllers, network adapters, multiple-com (4) ports, tape backup
cards, programmable controller card, and 2 meg isa video cards....
I normally get about 623k base and 8-22k upper free....
Memaker can come close... Keep in mind that if you use stealth that you
mush load all tsr's / drivers, and then use the auto exclusions detection
option or it may not find all conflicts.... Stealth maps out your roms
and allows you to use that area as upper memory....
Note: Using stealth does cost a (very slight) little in performance, but
it makes up for it in allowing you to load more drivers into upper memory.
BTW: Stealth/Qemm work fine with Windoze....
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Mark A. Lynch
: Edward Wong (edw...@bu.edu) wrote:
: : Andrew Scott (Andrew...@Dundee.NCR.COM) wrote:
: : : What would you go for and why; QEMM V7 or DOS 6.2 & Memmaker?
: : I don't use qemm anymore, and definitely no memmaker! Currently I am using
: : netroom 3.03 plus multimedia cloaking (useful if you have cdrom drives).
: : Anyway, although I only have 617K low memory available, I still have 30K
: : upper left! As in QEMM, the best I can get with the same setting was 599K
: : low memory and 3K upper.
: I use Qemm 7.04 with the stealth feature on about 8 machines that have
: scsi controllers, network adapters, multiple-com (4) ports, tape backup
: cards, programmable controller card, and 2 meg isa video cards....
: I normally get about 623k base and 8-22k upper free....
: Memaker can come close... Keep in mind that if you use stealth that you
^^^^^
I ment to write CAN'T
: mush load all tsr's / drivers, and then use the auto exclusions detection
Alan S. Jones
: I really like QEMM 7.04, but I'll tell you that I do not trust either QEMM's
: TSR's get loaded. I recently ran Optimize in version 7 and it hung my machine
: trying to do its stealthing. I have never had much luck running the Optimize
: from the older versions either. I recommend "manual" optimization using the
: QEMM 7 memory manager - you'll get better optimization if you do it
: yourself....
I use QEMM 7.04 and have never had any problems with it. If you are haveing
problems send mailt to sup...@qdeck.com. When I had a question they
usualy responded within a day or two.
Also there is a new version of QEMM. It has according to tech support
it has been out a little over a week. QEMM 7.5 it is not a free
upgrade. New features and improved Stealth and true Windows interface.
Here is the QuarterDeck press release. You can also get the press release
from the QuarterDeck ftp site qdeck.com, but not sure what directory,
/pressrelease/ or something. I may get QEMM 7.5 because of what
tech support called up two a 20% speed increase for protected mode
programs (STACKER 4 and Doom).
Sorry about the Double spaceing of the press release
Alan
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Jeff Greenberg
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(310) 314-4215 TEL
(310) 314-4218 FAX
QUARTERDECK ANNOUNCES QEMM 7.5 FOR WINDOWS AND DOS
The Safest, Most Powerful Memory Manager for Windows, DOS and Games
Provides New Features for Windows, Stacker, IBM Thinkpads and more
SANTA MONICA, Calif., September 13, 1994 -- Quarterdeck Office Systems, Inc.
(NASDAQ:QDEK) today announced version 7.5 of QEMM, its award-winning,
category-leading memory manager. This new release marks the first time a
memory manager has been released with native Windows installation,
configuration, and reporting utilities. The new version will ship by the end of
the fiscal quarter to Quarterdeck distributors and retailers.
"We are constantly updating QEMM to meet the requirements of the newest
platforms and applications," said Alexander Eckelberry, group product manager
for utilities. "This new version has many enhancements including new utilities
for Microsoft Windows, and significant under-the-hood improvements to QEMM
itself. We have also increased our support for the IBM Thinkpad and Toshiba
lines of portables, certain Compaq PCs and Stacker disk compression software;
as well as enhancements to QEMM's ability to accommodate and configure a wider
variety of unusual system architectures to provide increased available memory
to these systems."
"QEMM has been completely re-engineered internally" added Michael Bolton, QEMM
technical product manager. "We are now using a 32-bit flat memory model that
puts us in line with the present and future of PC operating environments, and
that gives us improved performance. The QuickBoot feature and Stealth support
enhancements are also impressive technological innovations from our
developers."
The major enhancements found in QEMM 7.5 are:
Windows Installation - QEMM 7.5 can now be installed from DOS or Windows,
detecting the user's environment and presenting the approprate DOS or native
Windows user interface. This is an improvement over having separate programs
for DOS or Windows installation.
Windows Version of Qsetup - QSETUP is the utility that allows the user to
optionally customize QEMM configurations quickly and easily, and provides a
wealth of technical tips for advanced users. Formerly a DOS-only program,
Qsetup automatically presents the user with a DOS or native Windows interface
in the same way as the installation program.
New Manifest 3.0 - Manifest, Quarterdeck's award-winning system reporting and
diagnostic utility, now comes in a version that presents a DOS or native
Windows interface in the same way as the setup and installation programs. In
both environments, new reports on hardware IRQs and on PCMCIA assist users in
learning about their system configuration. Under Windows, Manifest will also
provide detailed reports on memory usage by Windows itself and by the programs
running under it.
Enhanced Support for Stacker - Through a cooperative effort between Quarterdeck
and Stac Electronics, QEMM 7.5 now includes technology to save Stacker 4.0
users an additional 8K, 16K or 32K of conventional memory, depending on disk
size. This allows the Stacker driver to reduce its memory footprint to less
than 10K in conventional memory, an innovation accomplished by providing a
means for a Stacker driver to load its disk buffer into extended memory.
This functionality is provided through a new Stacker driver, to be made
available free of charge within the next 30 days by Stac Electronics to
registered Stacker 4.0 users.
"With Stacker 4.0, we significantly reduced our conventional memory footprint,
and our users responded very positively," said Anne Galdos, senior product
manager for Stac Electronics. "Now, thanks to this cooperative effort between
Stac and Quarterdeck, Stacker 4.0 users will get even more conventional memory
when using QEMM 7.5."
Enhanced Support for IBM Thinkpads - The design of some IBM Thinkpads prevented
previous versions of QEMM from correctly configuring these systems. QEMM 7.5
can now properly detect and optimize all current IBM Thinkpad models.
PCMCIA Support - QEMM 7.5 is now the only memory manager to detect and
accommodate automatically the memory addresses used by PCMCIA cards. This
feature is essential for users of most current laptops and notebooks.
QuickBoot - QuickBoot provides substantially faster system rebooting by
providing a highly efficient routine for initializing the system hardware and
BIOS. This is particularly valuable for programmers, power users and those
configuring systems. It also makes the OPTIMIZE process faster.
Stealth Enhancements - Stealth is the patented QEMM feature that gives users
extra High RAM by mapping system, video, and other ROMs out of the first
megabyte of memory. Stealth and OPTIMIZE have been improved to accommodate
unusual BIOS designs. This will provide users of these systems with even more
High RAM than was previously possible.
32-bit Flat Memory Model - QEMM's internals have been modified to use a 32-bit
flat memory model. This provides improved performance and establishes a clear
path for future innovations.
Documented 3rd-party API - A previously undocumented feature of QEMM is its
Application Programming Interface (API), which allows third party software
developers to design their products with built-in support for QEMM. This gives
access to ROMs that have been "Stealthed" away using Quarterdeck's patented
Stealth technology and allows developers to manage or even emulate hardware via
I/O port trapping.
Built-in Fail-Safe Recovery - QEMM now records and saves your system
configuration at installation and each time you run the OPTIMIZE program. At
any time you can restore one of these configurations using the new
OPTIMIZE/RESTORE option.
The suggested list price of QEMM 7.5 is $99.95. In the United States upgrades
for QEMM 7.5 are available both directly from Quarterdeck and from dealers.
The upgrade price directly from Quarterdeck for QEMM 7.5 is $29.95 plus $5.00
shipping and handling. The suggested list price of the upgrade through dealers
is $34.95.
Quarterdeck registered users who purchased the current version of QEMM after
July 20, 1994 may upgrade for $5.00 shipping and handling, with proof of
purchase. All upgrades include new manuals.
In the United States, users may upgrade from Quarterdeck by calling 24-hours a
day. Contact Quarterdeck's automated order processing system, Quartermaster,
at (800) 366-7145 (customer ID number is required), send a fax to (800)
354-3329 or call Quarterdeck's order department at (800) 354-4757. Canadian
users may contact Quarterdeck Canada Upgrades at (800) 268-5181, or via fax at
(905) 528-9349. Large volume MultiPaq and FlexiPaq upgrades are available upon
request.
Quarterdeck is a leader in software technology and specializes in enhancing the
power and performance of personal computers. Their best known product, QEMM,
manages a PC system's memory resources to make sure that applications,
utilities, DOS and Windows programs can work together. Other Quarterdeck
products provide multitasking of DOS applications running on one computer;
while still others support seamless distributed computing by ensuring
cooperation among multiple systems in cross-platform applications.
Quarterdeck Office Systems, Inc. is located at 150 Pico Boulevard, Santa
Monica, CA 90405. The company can be reached at (310) 392-9851.
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Forget Memmaker; forget EMM386 (what a dog). Spend a few bucks and get a REAL
memory manager with FEATURES.
EMM386 and Mem-maker are worth LESS than what you pay for them.
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Enrique Gamez
>From: m...@infinet.com (Mark A. Lynch)
>Subject: Re: QEMM 7 VS. Memmaker
>Date: 30 Sep 1994 23:58:30 GMT
<snip>
>Memaker can come close... Keep in mind that if you use stealth that you
>mush load
What do you mean by MUSH LOAD? (Please e-mail, THX!)
Edward Wong
: Anssi
To further clarify my point, let me tell you what I have loaded in
config.sys and autoexec.bat.
ANSI.SYS -I suppose you all know what this is
SB16CD.SYS -sound blaster 16 cdrom driver
a mouse driver
delete protection
software cache
MSCDEX.EXE -microsoft cdrom extension
vvesa.exe -VVESA bios
stachigh.sys -stacker driver
there are a couple more, but I can't remember.
The above program would at least take me 100K of upper memory. But now I
still have 615K lower and 50K upper memory left. Plus, I feel the programs
are running faster.
Mark A. Lynch
: To further clarify my point, let me tell you what I have loaded in
: config.sys and autoexec.bat.
: ANSI.SYS -I suppose you all know what this is
: SB16CD.SYS -sound blaster 16 cdrom driver
: a mouse driver
: delete protection
: software cache
: MSCDEX.EXE -microsoft cdrom extension
: vvesa.exe -VVESA bios
: stachigh.sys -stacker driver
: there are a couple more, but I can't remember.
: The above program would at least take me 100K of upper memory. But now I
: still have 615K lower and 50K upper memory left. Plus, I feel the programs
: are running faster.
What good does it do to save the upper memory area, when you could load
more of the tsr's into it and have more lower memory? I have a few apps
that require over 620K base just to start...
Robert Klep
:) Anssi Saari (s10...@cc.tut.fi) wrote:
:) : In <36hmg0$a...@news.bu.edu> edw...@bu.edu (Edward Wong) writes:
:) : That doesn't really say much. How's about telling how much UMBs you have?
:) : Like, for example, QEMM gives me 632K free conventional and 57K free UMBs,
:) : while I'm using 150K UMBs.
:) : Anssi
:) To further clarify my point, let me tell you what I have loaded in
:) config.sys and autoexec.bat.
:) ANSI.SYS -I suppose you all know what this is
:) SB16CD.SYS -sound blaster 16 cdrom driver
:) a mouse driver
:) delete protection
:) software cache
:) MSCDEX.EXE -microsoft cdrom extension
:) vvesa.exe -VVESA bios
:) stachigh.sys -stacker driver
:) there are a couple more, but I can't remember.
:) The above program would at least take me 100K of upper memory. But now I
:) still have 615K lower and 50K upper memory left. Plus, I feel the programs
:) are running faster.
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I use QEMM 7.04, and have 634k conv and 78k UMB free, and I have loaded:
NNANSI.SYS Enhanced ANSI-driver
VIRSTOP.EXE F-Prot's resident virus-scanner
FILEC.COM Command-line completion TSR
SAVE.COM My own little screensaver
MSCDEX.EXE CD-ROM thingy
CDD.SYS CD-ROM driver
SMG.SYS Logitech Soundman driver
SMGKEYB.EXE Logitech TSR volume-control
UNDELETE.EXE TSR'ed
IMAGE.EXE Can't be too careful
NCACHE.EXE Norton Cache
SETVER.EXE Norton Cache needs it
QDIIDE.SYS I/O-card driver
MSMOUSE.COM Micro$oft mouse-driver
and perhaps a few more things I cant remember now.
I like QEMM,
robert
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Istvan Csiszar
MAL> From: m...@infinet.com (Mark A. Lynch)
MAL> Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410)
MAL> Mark A. Lynch (m...@infinet.com) wrote:
MAL> : Edward Wong (edw...@bu.edu) wrote:
MAL> : : Andrew Scott (Andrew...@Dundee.NCR.COM) wrote:
MAL> : : : What would you go for and why; QEMM V7 or DOS 6.2 & Memmaker?
MAL> : I use Qemm 7.04 with the stealth feature on about 8 machines that have
MAL> : scsi controllers, network adapters, multiple-com (4) ports, tape backup
MAL> : cards, programmable controller card, and 2 meg isa video cards....
MAL> : I normally get about 623k base and 8-22k upper free....
MAL> : Memaker can come close... Keep in mind that if you use stealth that you
MAL> ^^^^^
MAL> I ment to write CAN'T
Bulldust! I'm using Emm386/Memmaker, and I get 618k conventional memory and
40-50 upper free.
See ya, Istvan
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