Clinton on V'nam War Protestors
Hollis6475
Along with the delta hotel (clinton) how about George Bush....
My dad, Member of USN China Fleet 1937 saw beaucoup action, rumor has it
that bush, ditched hos plane before he got in the shit....then was
directly transfer to D.C., war over bush di di mou big time....
Saddam called bush "NO BALLS" we go to war,,,,
Clinton, Hillery got balls, Bill, like bbubush, are nothing but deltas
deltas...
Like the basters in D.C. no balls , let some other family send their son
to war...
Hollis,
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Molsen
Phil,
You put into words exactly what I've been thinking. Welcome home bro.
Monte
> ame...@primenet.com (Phill Coleman) writes:
>
> 15 April 1995
> In response to Doyle McManus
> Los Angeles Times
>
> Clinton Sees Vindication for Vietnam Protesters
>
> One of the most debated issues of Mr. Clinton's 1992 Presidential campaign
will bring about his
> loss in 1996. Vietnam was the wrong subject for this President to boast he
had always been
> right. Every single GI, of the 2.7 million, who served in Vietnam, knew
that the war was not
> being managed as productively for America as it could and should have been.
>
> Vietnam veterans like myself, who's in-country jobs gave us daily access to
high level and high
> security communications going between command centers in Vietnam and the US
have written
> books about White House strategic and policy failures during the war. Mr.
McNamara's new
> book is merely a confirmation of realities many veterans and historians
already knew.
>
> Where Mr. Clinton errs is not in his historic criticism of the management
of the war, but in his
> apparent, continued belief that public demonstrations against the war were
justified. And those
> who demonstrated against it are now, through Mr. McNamara's book,
exonerated. Mr. Clinton
> ignores the reality that every public demonstration against the war was
followed by a violent
> North Vietnamese offensive initiated for no other purpose than to kill GI's
and provide American
> protesters with greater incentive to continue their protests. Critics of
the war, like Mr. Clinton,
> mistakenly believe that American continuation of the war itself caused the
deaths of thousands
> of American soldiers. They are mistaken. Had they been in Vietnam to
witness the increase in
> enemy activity following their much-publicized protests they would know, as
Vietnam veterans
> know, that the vast majority of deaths were directly related to enemy
efforts to exploit American
> public criticism of the war.
>
> For Mr. Clinton's limited perspective on matters so important to American
veteran's perception
> and understanding, Vietnam veterans who supported him in 1992 are now being
pushed to
> withdraw their support in 1996.
>
> Phill Coleman
> Senior Librarian
> The American Foreign Conflicts Electronic Library
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>
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Carwil James
The protests were justified because the war was wrong in principle and in
execution. Protesting immorality is always justified, no matter who uses the
protests as pretexts for actions. And the American effort, prosecuted to
gain control over a nation that didn't want our control and inflicting
massive casualties on civilians definitely qualifies as immorality.
Carwil James
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Molsen
There's one difference between you, Alan, and VVAW. VVAW consists of Vietnam
Veterans. Do
you understand that? To compare your efforts to those of the VVAW is
ludicrous. They went, you
didn't.
Monte Olsen
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Amel
> fi...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Carwil James) writes:
> The protests were justified because the war was wrong in principle and in
> execution.
>>>>
I am a Vietnam Veteran who was very torn in 1968. Having had a college
deferrment, I was older than most draftees. I had my
beliefs about the war -- that it was wrong, and we should not be there. I
listened to the protestor's (but not enough). I discounted
what they had to say. I felt they sere young, mis-guided individuals who did
not respect our leadership. I chose to follow my
government, "knowing" that my knowledge limited-- and the goverment can be
trusted.
So, I have no problem with those who protested the war per se. But, I do
believe any Veteran who choose to follow their
Country, is at fault or to blame. Protest the war -- not the Veteran.
Yes, I wish I would have had the respect for myself, then, to follow my
convictions. But, I didn't. No one deserved to be "spit
upon" or otherwise degraded in any way. In that respect, I feel the protest
movement went too far.
Art Melworm, Los Angeles
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Alan Stark
Maybe because I was against the war and tried to do something to stop the
war others did not have to go. To say you have to go to war to be against
the war is also ludicrous.
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Pham
Carwil James (fi...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:
: The protests were justified because the war was wrong in principle and in
: execution. Protesting immorality is always justified, no matter who uses the
: protests as pretexts for actions. And the American effort, prosecuted to
: gain control over a nation that didn't want our control and inflicting
: massive casualties on civilians definitely qualifies as immorality.
wow! Jane Fonda redux and revisited!
Hanoi tyrants, aided by the Soviet Bloc, were the ones who wanted and did
succeed in laying the totalitarian net over the whole of Vietnam.
The US's goal was to assist the people of Vietnam with their struggle for
freedom.
War protesters were taken in by the evil men of Hanoi. War protestors
mistakenly and foolishly exalted the NLF, a creature of the Hanoi ruling
machine.
: Carwil James
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Rich Greene
>Like the basters in D.C. no balls , let some other family send their son
>to war...
Yeah, like those old "watch lists" they had in Nam where someone's daddy
was a big shot and wasn't to be placed in harms way.
I've always wondered how many Nam vets work for Microsoft. I've been told
there are a few, but that is kinda hard to believe since Microsoft recruits
from
Universities directly. If there are Nam vets at Microsoft, they are probably
in
security or some maintenance field. I applied there twice and never even got
a reply, and I was qualified for the job.
BTW, someone asked what did I do in Nam. I don't see any real reason to
have to answer that since it really doesn't matter what one did over there,
but I'll let you know. My first six years in the Army I was a cook. I
screwed up
in Germany and received a General Courts Martial. Was sent to Leavenworth
for nine months - registration number 41909 for verification - was released
back to duty in Sep 66 and reclassified as Light Weapons Infantryman 11B10
as a Private E-2 - was a SP4 E4. When I went to Nam in 67 I was assigned to
MACV Advisory Team 60 at Sadec and pulled security detail for the compound
as I didn't have enough experience to be an advisor. The 9th ARVN Division
was at Sadec. We pulled patrols around the perimeter. No significant action
until Tet 68 when all hell broke loose. I would rather not get into that since
it's a time I would rather forget. I caught shrapnel from a mortar and was
med-evaced to Clark and then to Presidio of San Franciso (Letterman).
Was reclassified to a Personnel specialtiy as I could no longer function in the
Infantry due to wounds. The remainder of my careerr was as a Personnel
Sergeant and even pulled another Nam tour as an Advisory Team Admin
NCO with MACV Advisory Teams 96, 66, and 72 in the Delta.
I met a lot of nice Vietnamese people on my second tour and hope to run into
some of them if I ever go back. Both tours were in the Delta. Passed through
Cam Rahn Bay twice while screwing around.
I'm not a bleeding heart type of person, but a person that feels wounds of that
fiasco should be healed and not carried around as something to continually
bitch about. The WWII and Korea Vets healed pretty quickly. The Nam Vets
have a reputation of being real sour and rightfully so, but life is too damn
short to try and fight an enemy that isn't there or is so big it cannot be
defeated. I don't go around ranting about being a hero, a grunt, "doggie",
etc.
I have a new life and that must take precedence.
Cheers and get that Salem beer cold as I may be passing thru someday
right down I-5, or who knows, maybe just a weekender to meet you someday.
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