Telix Vs. Telemate
Kendall Beaman
Telix and I'm using it now. Most of the commands between the two seem similar.
I'd like to hear from you guys the pro's and con's of using both of these.
Before I spend my money on either I'd like to know more about them than I would
find out until I bought it. :) Anyway, if e-mail is sent I'll post a summary.
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Enrique Chavez
:> I've been checking out telemate for a while and it's ok. I just downloaded
:>Telix and I'm using it now. Most of the commands between the two seem similar.
:>I'd like to hear from you guys the pro's and con's of using both of these.
:>Before I spend my money on either I'd like to know more about them than I would
:>find out until I bought it. :) Anyway, if e-mail is sent I'll post a summary.
I started out with Telix, but when I started out using Telemate, I
abandoned Telix. Why? Because of Telemate's excellent use of the mouse
and its great muiltithreading feature. I can be downloading a file and
editing or viewing another file without too much difficulty. With Telix,
you can't do that. Telix takes control of the machine and you have to
wait till it finishes. Another wonderful feature in Telemate is its mini
built in shell. I can be online and pop up my small dos shell and
interact with both machines with ease. Telemate also has the standard
shell to dos comand. Again with Telix you're stuck. One or the other
but not both concurrently.
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stephen mcguire
: Telemate has one huge advantage: integrated editor and full cut and
: paste capabilities. You don't realize how useful this is until you no
: longer can reach back in your scrollback buffer or editor, grab
: something, and just paste it to whatever system you're talking to.
Well with the Telix for windows coming out in June,1994 and from what
I've seen over the shoulder of my roommate (telix beta tester) it looks
as though they have learned from this omission.
: Telix's big advantage is that if you have a small system it doesn't
: take up as many resources.
Your exactly right on that one, my friend when he had his tandy 1000hx
with only a 3.5" LD drive could run it very easily! :) He now has
something mildly better and working on a full upgrade.
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> I've been checking out telemate for a while and it's ok. I just downloaded
>Telix and I'm using it now. Most of the commands between the two seem similar.
>I'd like to hear from you guys the pro's and con's of using both of these.
Telemate has one huge advantage: integrated editor and full cut and
paste capabilities. You don't realize how useful this is until you no
longer can reach back in your scrollback buffer or editor, grab
something, and just paste it to whatever system you're talking to.
Telix's big advantage is that if you have a small system it doesn't
take up as many resources.
They're about the same as far as scripting, dialing, and all the other
features you'd expect.
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Hyun-Min PARK
Enrique Chavez <ech...@hercules.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
>I started out with Telix, but when I started out using Telemate, I
>abandoned Telix. Why? Because of Telemate's excellent use of the mouse
>and its great muiltithreading feature. I can be downloading a file and
>editing or viewing another file without too much difficulty. With Telix,
>you can't do that. Telix takes control of the machine and you have to
>wait till it finishes. Another wonderful feature in Telemate is its mini
>built in shell. I can be online and pop up my small dos shell and
>interact with both machines with ease. Telemate also has the standard
>shell to dos comand. Again with Telix you're stuck. One or the other
>but not both concurrently.
>
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>Enrique ech...@as.arizona.edu
>
Yah, Telemate has nice features.. I personally use telix though.
It is much simple and takes up less memory. It has most of the commands
that I need and has good working VT100 support. (Although scroll back
could have been much better...) Eversince I got QEMM and DesqView going,
I didn't need the inferior Telemate multitasking... And I found that
Telix is much more stable in DV than Telemate. And takes much less
memory.. (I only need to allocate 255k for Telix..)
Now, I can do FAIRLY heavy stuff using DV while downloading stuffs...
Like editing a file, viewing a jpeg image (It is very computationally
intensive to decode jpegs..), uncompress files (unzip, arj, lharc, etc.)
Even access my floppys.. (Although, this will reduce your CPS down to
about 800 from 1600 that I get... :) )
But, if you don't need ALMOST all the msdos features, then you should
use Telemate, it has better user interfaces (Although I heard that it's
VT100 support isn't that great (I just used it for ANSI, so, I can't
comment on this...)). Telix is for people who is used to ProComm, the
great communication program for DOS, but want something more. So,
if you are just starting up, then you can try both of them.. It is up
to you to decide what you want...
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Kendall Beaman
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:In article <2rnkq1$c...@orion.cc.andrews.edu> bea...@andrews.edu (Kendall
:Beaman) writes:
:> I don't mind what Congress does, as long as they don't do it in the
:> streets and frighten the horses. -- Victor Hugo
:Checking my on-line copy of The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations
:I find:
:
:MRS. PATRICK CAMPBELL 1865 1940
:I don't mind where people make love, so long as they don't do
:it in the street and frighten the horses.
:
:
:Not Victor Hugo, who was a French poet and would not make statements
:about Congress. Get it right or provide a source for that quotation.
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Thanks for the correction. Surprising that someone actually looked up this
quote to verify. I had a list of quotes some six years ago and got it from
there. I've never thought about it actually. I've since lost the list
but I may re-create it.
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Marko Kohtala
> But, if you don't need ALMOST all the msdos features, then you should
>use Telemate, it has better user interfaces (Although I heard that it's
>VT100 support isn't that great (I just used it for ANSI, so, I can't
>comment on this...)).
I comment this first, since I feel troubled by this. This is not true.
Telemate has very well working VT100 support, which includes wide
variety of features that most other PC based VT100 emulators do not
care to implement.
This rumor possibly originates from two sources: 1) Telemate key
bindings as they come often are not what people expect. VT100 has two
separate cursor keypads and if the user has not set the Enhanced
keyboard option correctly, Telemate gives the less often used keypad.
2) Telemate offers some other screen sizes than the 24 rows expected
by most VT100 applications. Most unix machines and the applications
(do not know about VMS systems that much) can be configured for the
different screen sizes, but Telemate can not do that for the user.
Telix is simpler and user has less ways to make things which need some
experience and knowledge of VT100.
> Yah, Telemate has nice features..
The already mentioned cut and paste, easy marking of text on screen
and sending to line, can have command history buffer of your last
lines on screen, can have back scroll on screen without disturbing the
session, can type and copy file names etc. from the back scroll
easily.
Those are what I use and can not live without once getting used to
them. Any other terminal is a no go untill it has them.
And I run Telemate under OS/2.
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> streets and frighten the horses. -- Victor Hugo
Checking my on-line copy of The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations
I find:
MRS. PATRICK CAMPBELL 1865 1940
I don't mind where people make love, so long as they don't do
Hank Leininger
* Now, I can do FAIRLY heavy stuff using DV while downloading stuffs...
*Like editing a file, viewing a jpeg image (It is very computationally
*intensive to decode jpegs..), uncompress files (unzip, arj, lharc, etc.)
*Even access my floppys.. (Although, this will reduce your CPS down to
*about 800 from 1600 that I get... :) )
I've heard bad things about trying to multitask Telix under other multitaskers;
OS/2 for instance--it doesn't give back timeslices, even when not accomplishing
anything. Telemate on the other hand is reasonably OS/2-aware, and when idle
takes exactly zero CPU cycles on my machine. While downloading at a solid 1630
I can still format a floppy, zip/unzip mail, play a DOS game, or basically
whatever. I agree that some of TM's features (its multithreading, for
instance, which is what allows you to edit, view, etc while a transfer is going
on) become unecessary once you have a multitasking and/or multithreading OS,
but some of its features are still quite useful. I'd still reccomend Telemate
to anyone using DOS, and it's still a contender under Windows, DV, or OS/2. A
very nice piece of work.
Frank McNeil
I used to use Procomm Plus 2.01, and after finally paying attention
to what people were saying about telemate, I started using it. I'll
never go back to Procomm Plus 2.01. telemate has saved me to much time.
I haven't paid for it yet (>20 days left in the trial period). I still
have to use their macro language and make sure sure that the commercial
version of Telix or Qmodem aren't more robust than telemate.
What version of Telix are people referring to? I dl it, and deleted
when it seemed like just a scaled down version of Procomm Plus. I wouldn't
think of comparing it a program like telemate version 4.12.
However page 23 of the "Online Users Guide" by Bernard Abora mentions
that the commercial versions of Telix merits looking at.
Frank
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Marko Kohtala (mkoh...@lk-hp-19.hut.fi) wrote:
: ha...@cs.mcgill.ca (Hyun-Min PARK) writes:
: > But, if you don't need ALMOST all the msdos features, then you should
: >use Telemate, it has better user interfaces (Although I heard that it's
: >VT100 support isn't that great (I just used it for ANSI, so, I can't
: >comment on this...)).
: I comment this first, since I feel troubled by this. This is not true.
: Telemate has very well working VT100 support, which includes wide
: variety of features that most other PC based VT100 emulators do not
: care to implement.
: This rumor possibly originates from two sources: 1) Telemate key
: bindings as they come often are not what people expect. VT100 has two
: separate cursor keypads and if the user has not set the Enhanced
: keyboard option correctly,
Ahh. Mine wasn't configured correctly. So I just changed the
vt102.pad file. I should have type Alt-O,M,E when in telemate.
Thanks.
:Telemate gives the less often used keypad.
: 2) Telemate offers some other screen sizes than the 24 rows expected
: by most VT100 applications. Most unix machines and the applications
: (do not know about VMS systems that much) can be configured for the
: different screen sizes, but Telemate can not do that for the user.
: Telix is simpler and user has less ways to make things which need some
: experience and knowledge of VT100.
: > Yah, Telemate has nice features..
: The already mentioned cut and paste, easy marking of text on screen
: and sending to line, can have command history buffer of your last
: lines on screen, can have back scroll on screen without disturbing the
: session, can type and copy file names etc. from the back scroll
: easily.
I run my Unix Account with with a Lynx HTML file browser with lynxec:
command. When I see a new site to put in the menu. I just press
Alt-B, copy the URL to the clip board. Then return to the Lynx
main menu press e to go into the Unix editor, where I add the
new menu selection using shift-insert into the menu HTML file.
The cut and paste facility has become a "can not live without
feature."
: Those are what I use and can not live without once getting used to
: them. Any other terminal is a no go until it has them.
: And I run Telemate under OS/2.
Well I use it in DOS and WINDOWS, and like the fact that I can
shell to DOS and telemate only uses 16K.
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> but some of its features are still quite useful. I'd still reccomend Telemate
> to anyone using DOS, and it's still a contender under Windows, DV, or OS/2. A
> very nice piece of work.
I also prefer TeleMate, but I'm basically forced to use MS-Kermit, because this
VAX's rz doesn't work (it seems to say everything has 0 bytes, or stop
unexpectedly in the middle of a file), and nothing else I know of supports
windows larger than 80-90 bytes. Any suggestions as to better programs?
(Yes, I _could_ try running Kermit as an external protocol, but then I wouldn't
get multithreading anyway; I've tried it under Windows and gotten _strange_
results when I tried to perform disk operations).
TONY T.L. CHA
I just received a newsletter for Telix users this morning. Telix for Windows
1.0 begins shipping on May 30, 1994. Suggested retail price US$119 (US$99 if
you buy directly from deltaComm through June 1994). For registed uers, only
US$49 plus shipping (US$39 through June 1994). New features included:
- built-in .GIF viewer, RIP-scrip graphics terminal emulation.
- Fully capable of running under OS/2, Windows/NT, also 28,800bps in network.
- SALT II Script Language (based on C programming), etc.
Giving a try for this new release...
Sincerely,
Tony.
Robb Topolski KJ6YT
> Does Telix have 14.4Kb included in it? I just noticed - to my horror that
> telemate does not. At least I don't think so.
Telix does not recognize 14.4 as a port speed, but will calculate your
connection speed (and transfer times) correctly on 14.4 modems.
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Frank McNeil
: Does Telix have 14.4Kb included in it? I just noticed - to my horror that
: telemate does not. At least I don't think so.
Hello
Try 19200. Procomm Plus 2.01 and Telemate don't have that unneeded
option. I've used 19200 Procomm Plus 2.01 and Telemate. No problem.
[I use 14.4Kb Sporster.]
Frank,
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Osprey
telemate does not. At least I don't think so.
Gary
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Howard Wilson
: Does Telix have 14.4Kb included in it? I just noticed - to my horror that
Don't know of a term program that does. Logically, use the next highest
one, which is 19.2K. Never have figured out why so many people view this
as a problem, it's so obvious.
Likewise, have you ever seen a term program with a 28.8K setting? Do you
actually think new versions will come out with this setting? Hell no,
all term programs have 38.4K, though. Use that.
Howard Wilson II
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