Formatting a floppy to 1.7meg??? Help!
Dan LeGate
downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it always gives
me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20 and I choose
Format Disk from the Disk menu and then choose 1.72 MB or 1.68 MB under
"Non-standard Format". I've tried this in both Windows 3.11 and Win95
with no success. Do I actually have to go out and BUY a different kind
of floppy disk to accomplish this? Thanks for any help or information
you can provide.
Dan
Clive Carmock
<dle...@rsa.csuhayward.edu> writes
>Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg. I've
There are some utilities by Microsoft to format/read/write DMF format
disks - which are the 1.7 MB disks you mention. The physical disks are
normal 1.44 MB floppies.
Clive
Turnpike evaluation. For information, email: in...@turnpike.com
John Lee
>
>Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg. I've
>me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20 and I choose
>Format Disk from the Disk menu and then choose 1.72 MB or 1.68 MB under
>"Non-standard Format". I've tried this in both Windows 3.11 and Win95
>with no success. Do I actually have to go out and BUY a different kind
>of floppy disk to accomplish this? Thanks for any help or information
>you can provide.
>
>Dan
load 一個叫 TSR FdRead 的常註程式才行。這個程式在 FdFormat Utility
裏面就可以找到,也是 C.H.Hochstatter寫的。如果你要作的只是一般的 format,
則 TSR FdRead 便不需要。
從書上看來的,我自己也沒用過,給你參考參考吧! good luck.
Hans Willemse
dle...@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) wrote:
>Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg.
I've
>downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it
always gives
>me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20
and I choose
>Format Disk from the Disk menu and then choose 1.72 MB or
1.68 MB under
>"Non-standard Format". I've tried this in both Windows 3.11
and Win95
>with no success. Do I actually have to go out and BUY a
different kind
>of floppy disk to accomplish this? Thanks for any help or
information
>you can provide.
>
>Dan
I thought the DMF format works only with Windows 3.1x. See
the .txt or .hlp files. But you can try format17.
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E-mail: hwil...@zeelandnet.nl
Homepage: http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/hwillems/
John Lee
says...
>
>disks - which are the 1.7 MB disks you mention. The physical disks are
>normal 1.44 MB floppies.
>
>Clive
>
不太一樣。
我也不是很瞭解,請高手說明一下吧!
Larry Forman
in this group is only a matter of days, I am posting it again.
Download a copy of FDFORM18.ZIP from your favorite Simtel type FTP
site.
I know that it is available at
in the directory named
/systems/ibmpc/msdos/simtel/diskutil/
The executable DOS based FDFORMAT.EXE that is extracted is only about
15k in size. Put it in a directory in your path -- c:\dos or
c:\windows\command, for example.
From the DOS command prompt, use the following parameters to format a
DFM disk.
fdformat X: /t:80 /n:21 /c:4 /d:16 /m:240
where ``X'' is your floppy drive.
The documentation will explain the meanings of all the parameters. (The
program was released 7-22-91 so Microsoft did nothing magical.)
Larry
TRIO
wrote:
>Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg. I've
>downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it always gives
>me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20 and I choose
It has been my experience that I need to first format a new disk to
1.44 Mb using either DOS format or the 1.44 Mb option in WinImage.
After that the disks format perfectly to 1.7 Mb.
I have always found that trying to format a "virgin" disk to 1.7 Mb
using WinImage results in the sector 0 error described above.
Ken.
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Jeff Goodenough
>好像是用一般 3.5" 的磁片就對了,不過若要使用這種功能,你要在 Windows 之前
>load 一個叫 TSR FdRead 的常註程式才行。這個程式在 FdFormat Utility
>裏面就可以找到,也是 C.H.Hochstatter寫的。如果你要作的只是一般的 format,
>則 TSR FdRead 便不需要。
John, I assume what you wrote is in a 16-bit Chinese character set.
On my screen all I can see is gibberish - lots of special characters
from a European font.
If you don't see a problem your end, then you need to know this, so
that you can select a single-character mode when writing to western
news groups!
Regards,
Jeff.
--
Jeff Goodenough
Newbury, Berkshire, UK
John Lee
>>
>>Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg. I've
>>downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it always gives
>>me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20 and I choose
>>"Non-standard Format". I've tried this in both Windows 3.11 and Win95
>>with no success. Do I actually have to go out and BUY a different kind
>>of floppy disk to accomplish this? Thanks for any help or information
>>you can provide.
>
>On my screen all I can see is gibberish - lots of special characters
>from a European font.
>
>If you don't see a problem your end, then you need to know this, so
>that you can select a single-character mode when writing to western
>news groups!
Hi, what I said about the WinImage is:
The disk you need for WinImage to format, to become 1.72MB, is
merely the normal 3.5" one. But if you want to use such function,
you must load, before Windows, the TSR FdRead, a shareware from
Christoph H. Hochstatter, which you can get with the FdFormat utility.
You don't need TSR FdRead if you just want to do a normal
1.44MB fromat.
As to the software from Microsoft, it can be downloaded from
the Microsoft BBS/WebSite. Sorry, I don't have the address handy.
It seems to me the Microsoft software is different from WinImage.
By the way, I am actually a little confused. I reach your article
from a newgroup ,on a news server in Taiwan, in which most of the
articles are Chinese. That is why I posted my article in Chinese
rather than in English. But it seems to me that you read my article
from a Western newsgroup. (I noticed that you are from U.K.)
Do you know why?
David C. Miller - PSS
Microsoft FTP: ftp.microsoft.com The IP address is 198.105.232.1
Microsoft Download Service 206-936-6735 (Sorry I do not have any non-US
numbers)
On CompuServe:
Knowledge base articles GO MSKB
Software Library Files GO MSL
Hope this helps!
>
>As to the software from Microsoft, it can be downloaded from
>the Microsoft BBS/WebSite. Sorry, I don't have the address handy.
>It seems to me the Microsoft software is different from WinImage.
>
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Jeff Goodenough
>By the way, I am actually a little confused. I reach your article
>from a newgroup ,on a news server in Taiwan, in which most of the
>articles are Chinese. That is why I posted my article in Chinese
>rather than in English. But it seems to me that you read my article
>from a Western newsgroup. (I noticed that you are from U.K.)
>Do you know why?
Because John, the original poster in his infinite wisdom cross-posted
to no less than 9 different news groups. I didn't realise (who looks
at headers normally?) until your second post.
Mike Brodbelt
>The disk you need for WinImage to format, to become 1.72MB, is
>merely the normal 3.5" one. But if you want to use such function,
>you must load, before Windows, the TSR FdRead, a shareware from
>Christoph H. Hochstatter, which you can get with the FdFormat utility.
>You don't need TSR FdRead if you just want to do a normal
>1.44MB fromat.
A word of warning:-
The Fdread TSR you mention works by modifying the diskette parameter
table in memory, to allow more sectors per track than normal. I think
it's a very bad idea to load a real mode TSR to do this when Win95 is
replacing the block device drivers for disk access with protected mode
ones. Using FDread and a beta version of Win95, I managed to
completely corrupt handling of the floppy disk, and, although I didn't
lose any data, I still regard it as pretty risky.
Mike
Robert 'Madworm' Spitzenpfeil
Mad...@wurm.franken.de folgendes in irreführender Weise zu vermelden:·
> On 31 Dec 1995 20:23:23 GMT, dle...@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate)
> wrote:
>
> >Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg. I've
> >downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it always gives
> >me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20 and I choose
>
> It has been my experience that I need to first format a new disk to
> 1.44 Mb using either DOS format or the 1.44 Mb option in WinImage.
> After that the disks format perfectly to 1.7 Mb.
what tool do you use to get 1,7MB, and where can i get it?
(ftp/www)
·
Mad...@wurm.franken.de ·
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Madworm@2:2490/5110.34 ·
·
Vernon Sandusky
: j
: >The disk you need for WinImage to format, to become 1.72MB, is
: >merely the normal 3.5" one. But if you want to use such function,
: >you must load, before Windows, the TSR FdRead, a shareware from
: >Christoph H. Hochstatter, which you can get with the FdFormat utility.
: >You don't need TSR FdRead if you just want to do a normal
: >1.44MB fromat.
All the above is fine and pardon my ignorance but ...
, but will someone
please say what a 1.72MB diskette
is used on and how you can exchange data with other users which seems to
be the true purpose of diskettes anyway.
Thanks
Vern
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Don Becker
>Microsoft Web Site: http://www.microsoft.com
>Microsoft FTP: ftp.microsoft.com The IP address is 198.105.232.1
>Microsoft Download Service 206-936-6735 (Sorry I do not have any non-US
>numbers)
>Hope this helps!
Unfortunately, it doesn't. MS's web pages and FTP site are both very
large. Can you be a little more specific?
--Don
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Steven Lee
See cp95_v24.zip on alt.binaries.misc
It's the simplest and most reliable program I have used to Copy DMF floppies.
Dan LeGate (dle...@rsa.csuhayward.edu) wrote:
: Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg. I've
: downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it always gives
: me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20 and I choose
: Format Disk from the Disk menu and then choose 1.72 MB or 1.68 MB under
: "Non-standard Format". I've tried this in both Windows 3.11 and Win95
: with no success. Do I actually have to go out and BUY a different kind
: of floppy disk to accomplish this? Thanks for any help or information
: you can provide.
: Dan
Donald E. Wood
I'm sure several people have told you about different ways to format your disk
out to the new format that Microsoft is useing (1.68). The best copy program I
have found to date is a program called VGACOPY PRO V5.2. But be warned this
program is not designed for Windows '95' but it will work in that environment and
it does work well in Windows 3.11. You can format disks or use the program to copy
several disks at one time. If you need any more info on this program or how to set
it up in Windows '95' you can e-mail me at dw...@borg.mindspring.com.
Don....
Per Leion Z/E ecn-868 4909
It's the simplest and most reliable program I have used to Copy DMF floppies.
Hans Willemse (hwil...@zeelandnet.nl) wrote:
: In article <4c6rfr$e...@nuke.csu.net>,
Alami
Steven Lee Andreason
> Dan,
> I'm sure several people have told you about different ways to format your disk
> out to the new format that Microsoft is useing (1.68). The best copy program I
> have found to date is a program called VGACOPY PRO V5.2. But be warned this
> program is not designed for Windows '95' but it will work in that environment and
> it does work well in Windows 3.11. You can format disks or use the program to copy
> several disks at one time. If you need any more info on this program or how to set
> it up in Windows '95' you can e-mail me at dw...@borg.mindspring.com.
>
> Don....
Why stop at 1.7 MB? There's a program out now for DOS and OS/2 that lets
you format to 1.88 MB.
-- Steven Andreason
Help everyone!!! Just never expect anything back...
Daniel Beckham
>In article <4c6rfr$e...@nuke.csu.net>,
> dle...@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) wrote:
>Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg.
>I've downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it
>always gives me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20
I have the same problem with that program. I doubt it is your disk.
-DB
Daniel Beckham
>ee cp95_v24.zip on alt.binaries.misc
>It's the simplest and most reliable program I have used to Copy DMF floppies.
Is there a ftp site or www site that I could download it from?
If you have it you might also attach it to a article
-DB
Charles A. Fielder
>downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it always gives
[some text deleted for brevity]
I have the same problems with Win Image 2.20 and the Beta 2.3 version
both running on Win95. I have a Zeos 486 with the standard floppy
drives. I've also tried to run the Win3.1x version as well as a couple of
DOS programs as well (all from in Win95) - I've tried them with and without
fdread.exe installed as device, run from autoexec.bat, and run from the
command line -> all to no avail!
I'd really like to get WinImage working because it looks like a really
nice piece of software - so an help would be appreciated!!!
Please post any relevant follow-ups so that everyone can benefit from the
info!
--
Charles Fielder
cfie...@nmsu.edu
Agent 86 Control
wrote:
>: dle...@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) wrote:
>: >Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg.
>: I've
>: >downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it
>: always gives
>: >me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20
>: and I choose
>: >Format Disk from the Disk menu and then choose 1.72 MB or
>: 1.68 MB under
>: >"Non-standard Format". I've tried this in both Windows 3.11
>: and Win95
>: >with no success. Do I actually have to go out and BUY a
>: different kind
>: >of floppy disk to accomplish this? Thanks for any help or
>: information
>: >you can provide.
>: >
>: >Dan
>
Here, try this. Just unzip into its own dir. and go to shut down
and select to dos. This program MUST!! run in dos to work.
once your in dos go to the dir you put it in, & just run Msoft17a.bat,
you will get 3 prompts and it will start to format.
I use it all the time.
Agent 86 Control
wrote:
>hwil...@zeelandnet.nl (Hans Willemse) wrote:
>
>>In article <4c6rfr$e...@nuke.csu.net>,
>> dle...@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) wrote:
>>Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg.
>>I've downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it
>>always gives me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20
>
Agent 86 Control
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Robert 'Madworm' Spitzenpfeil
Mad...@wurm.franken.de thought he had to confuse you by writing this:·
> Dan LeGate (dle...@rsa.csuhayward.edu) wrote:
> >downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it always gives
> >me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20 and I choose
> [some text deleted for brevity]
>
> I have the same problems with Win Image 2.20 and the Beta 2.3 version
> both running on Win95. I have a Zeos 486 with the standard floppy
> drives. I've also tried to run the Win3.1x version as well as a couple of
> DOS programs as well (all from in Win95) - I've tried them with and without
> fdread.exe installed as device, run from autoexec.bat, and run from the
> command line -> all to no avail!
>
> I'd really like to get WinImage working because it looks like a really
> nice piece of software - so an help would be appreciated!!!
>
> Please post any relevant follow-ups so that everyone can benefit from the
> info!
>
> --
> Charles Fielder
> cfie...@nmsu.edu
well perhaps it's because of win95???
I've tried the 2mf.exe or so and it worked FINE in dos 7.0 but as soon as
win95 is running, it JUST WON'T work anymore!
cu
Jayson Sim
msi...@ix.netcom.com. I found it in the net a couple of weeks back. It gets
the job done.
Thank@You (Agent 86 Control) had this to say:
......On Fri, 05 Jan 1996 00:06:31 GMT, dan...@www.ezl.com (Daniel Beckham)
......wrote:
......>hwil...@zeelandnet.nl (Hans Willemse) wrote:
......>
......>>In article <4c6rfr$e...@nuke.csu.net>,
......>> dle...@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) wrote:
......>>Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg.
......>>I've downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it
......>>always gives me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20
......>
......>I have the same problem with that program. I doubt it is your disk.
......>
......>
......>
......>-DB
......>
......>dan...@www.ezl.com
......>
with regards,
Jayson Sim
Sabah, Malaysia
(http://www.homeless.com/homepages/kk...@pop.jaring.my.html)
Charles A. Fielder
>well perhaps it's because of win95???
>I've tried the 2mf.exe or so and it worked FINE in dos 7.0 but as soon as
>win95 is running, it JUST WON'T work anymore!
>cu
> ·
> Mad...@wurm.franken.de ·
> Mad...@chris.mayn.de ·
> Madworm@150:100/1.34 ·
> Madworm@2:2490/5110.34 ·
> ·
I think you are on to something - I tried every program I could
find (about 6 or 7 of them) to run on Win95. I finally tried CopyQM in
DOS 7.0 (re-booting my machine into DOS) - worked great!!
The only other explanation I can come up with is that there's a problem
with my old BIOS (from August 1993). Copy QM had an option for BIOS
control or hardware control - I used hardware (haven't tried the other
way). Perhaps all the other programs are using BIOS services which work
in a newer BIOS. I got e-mail from someone who used Win Image 2.20 on
Win95 successfully - he even sent me his .zip file, which indeed did NOT
work on my computer.
eventually we will all figure it out...
--
Charles Fielder
cfie...@nmsu.edu
david smith
Randy Lovelace
>
> In article <4ct891$c...@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>, c...@dircon.co.uk. says...
> >
> >have a copy of hdcopy which does upto 'new' 1.77 mb format
> >
> fast mode access. You don't have to load it's driver. Just put the
> floppy in the drive, reboot, the PC sees the floppies boot sector
> loads it's driver and walla.
>
> --
> Lannie Schafroth**************************************************
Where can I find this program
Randy
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> have a copy of hdcopy which does upto 'new' 1.77 mb format
>
>
>
Another prog is DiskDupe which will format and copy disks up to and
including 2.88MB. Only draw back is it runs in DOS ;(
Scott March If all you have is a hammer,
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>
fast mode access. You don't have to load it's driver. Just put the
floppy in the drive, reboot, the PC sees the floppies boot sector
loads it's driver and walla.
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Pathworks Network Administrator Iowa Network Services, Inc.
Voice: 515 830-0443 4201 Corporate Drive
Fax: 515 830-0123 West Des Moines, IA 50266
Email: Lan...@ins.netins.net
Any statements herein are my own opinion and not that of my employer.
Lannie Schafroth
>
>Lannie Schafroth wrote:
>>
>Where can I find this program
>Randy
I don't recall the site. I used Netscape, then connected to
an Archie server and searched for 2mf. It's not very big and a
quick download.
Justin Case
Randy Lovelace <cak...@startext.net> wrote:
>Lannie Schafroth wrote:
>>
>> In article <4ct891$c...@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>, c...@dircon.co.uk. says...
>> >
>> >have a copy of hdcopy which does upto 'new' 1.77 mb format
>> >
>> Try the program 2MF. It formats floppies at 1.84Mb and adds
>> fast mode access. You don't have to load it's driver. Just put the
>> floppy in the drive, reboot, the PC sees the floppies boot sector
>> loads it's driver and walla.
I am using WinImage and have yet to successfully format a disk
to more that what it is supposed to have on it (i.e. 720 or 1.44).
What am I doing wrong?
Alan Cartledge
> I am using WinImage and have yet to successfully format a disk
> to more that what it is supposed to have on it (i.e. 720 or 1.44).
> What am I doing wrong?
I found that I had to format floppies to their normal capacity first
(using the "vanilla" Win95 format), and then format to DMF format
(2048) using WinImage.
Regards,
Alan.
Gary Chu
>
>In article <31021fb8....@news.demon.co.uk>, al...@produce.demon.co.uk
>
> I reformatted a few disks into the !.7 format from standard. I didn't
>do any unformatted disks. To format the disks, go to preferences and
>uncheck "Use standard format", I believe this might be in the readme, but
Try using a shareware called FORMAT17 to format the diskette for DMF format
use. If duplication of a DMF diskette is required better to use another
shareware called DCF494. Latest version of this duplicating software supports
the format which Microsoft now releases its softwares on diskettes.. Both
these softwares should be readily availble from many public BBS.
James A. McFadden
>Okay, what is involved in formatting a diskette to 1.7meg. I've
>downloaded WinImage and tried it on my 1.44m disks, but it always gives
>me an error about reading sector 0. I'm using WinImage 2.20 and I choose
>Format Disk from the Disk menu and then choose 1.72 MB or 1.68 MB under
>"Non-standard Format". I've tried this in both Windows 3.11 and Win95
>with no success. Do I actually have to go out and BUY a different kind
>of floppy disk to accomplish this? Thanks for any help or information
>you can provide.
Dan,
Try a program called SH-CopyStar. This is one of the best, all
around, disk copying/formatting programs that I have found. You can
find the program via CompuServe and even register it using SWREG, if
you have an account with CServ. If not, try their web page at
http://members.aol.com/frankhorn/index.htm. The latest version is
4.??. I am currently using version 3.?? without any problems under
W95.
James
Lester Tan C.Y
>> I reformatted a few disks into the !.7 format from standard. I didn't
>>do any unformatted disks. To format the disks, go to preferences and
>>uncheck "Use standard format", I believe this might be in the readme, but
>Try using a shareware called FORMAT17 to format the diskette for DMF format
>use. If duplication of a DMF diskette is required better to use another
>shareware called DCF494. Latest version of this duplicating software supports
>the format which Microsoft now releases its softwares on diskettes.. Both
>these softwares should be readily availble from many public BBS.
Can someone enlighten me on this DMF format. I know that MS is distributing it's software
on 1.7 mb diskette. Is this kind of format reliable? If it is, then why Maxell sells 1.44 diskette, when
it can actually label them as 1.7mb.
Regards,
Les
PS: pls email to : les...@singnet.com.sg coz I don't really get many chance to read newsgroup.