WfW 3.11 absolute minimum installation
HBj
Workgroups 3.11?
I need to install it on a flash card with nothing else than
- the Windows kernel
- peer-to-peer netbios network w/ NETBEUI protocol
- PC configured as a file server
Which files are a must? Which files can be deleted? What is the
minimum content of WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI?
Thanx in advance
HBj
John Dulak
Hakan:
While I've never DONE this I was intrigued enough with the idea to save
the following information from an old thread here.
John
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> Normally Wind.com should actually be Win.com, but it looks like he has
> written a batch file to launch "Wind" instead of "Win," probably to
> force it to start in Standard mode. Win /s
>
> Another trick to save space is to rename the file Win.cnf to Win.com.
> Win.com is normally created by combining Win.cnf and an .RLE file
> together. The .RLE file is the initial logo displayed while starting
> windows. That image is NOT necessary for the functioning of windows,
> in fact, if you start windows by using "win.com :" then the splash
> screen isn't even displayed. In Win3.1 this is no problem but WFW
> will complain a little but keep going.
>
> In this example, there would be a savings of over 10K:
> Wind.com is 26,770 and Win.cnf is 16,112
>
> Taskman.exe, the task manager, isn't really needed.
>
> The DDE & OLE files (DDEML.DLL, OLECLI.DLL, and OLESVR.DLL) you can
> also live without.
>
> WIN.CNF Not needed for windows but see above.
> KBDUK.DLL Used for British keyboard layouts only
> MSCMOUSE.DRV Hey, this is much smaller than the mouse driver that I
> used. I want a copy of this guy.
> SETUP.INF, SETUP.REG, CONTROL.INF can be run without these.
> LZEXPAND.DLL needed by setup programs to decompress installation
> files.
>
> This is still an excellent pruning job, even though it doesn't have
> File Manager.
>
> I got Win3.1 down to a floppy, and the diskette was even bootable. I
> was able to include Notepad and I had to choose between using File
> Manager or Program Manager as the shell. I couldn't get both to fit,
> until, I started using a RAM drive and unzipped the compressed windows
> directory into the RAM drive.
>
> Now I have a boot disk from hell. I got Program Manager, File
> Manager, ScanDisk, PkUnZip (Junior), etc., all on one bootable floppy.
> And since it runs from a RAM disk, it is the fastest Windows I've ever
> seen. Another bonus about File Manager, it can do what Sys.com and
> Format.com can do, without having the extra executables on the disk.
>
> Sorry about the rambling, but I was just being nostalgic about Win3.x.
> You'd be hard pressed to get Win98 to fit into 100MB, without using
> compression.
>
> On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:01:12 -0700, Jerry Lippey/MVP <JLi...@csi.com>
> wrote:
>
> >How about 1.4Mb, Paul?
> >
> >I have never tried to make a minimal Windows 3.1, but I riffled through my files
> >and ran across the following message from Chris Eve in this newsgroup. (For some
> >reason, I could not locate it at Deja.com.)
> >--
> >-Jerry
> >
> >--------------------8<------------------- <snip> ---------------------
> >
> >Subject: Re: Installing a 'minimal' version of windows - Advice please
> >Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:38:04 -0800
> >From: "Chris Eve" <kyp...@itl.net>
> >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win3x_wfw_dos
> >
> >For a really minimal installation of Windows 3.1, not 3.11, you can get
> >just the necessary files on a 1.44 floppy, just :-} Attached is a directory
> >listing of a floppy I use for those awkward moments when something just
> >won't behave itself.
> >
> > Volume in drive A is WindowsLite
> > Volume Serial Number is 2A28-02AE
> >
> >Directory of A:\
> >
> >WIN INI 2,259 27/11/94 11:14 WIN.INI
> >NOTEPAD EXE 32,736 29/09/92 3:10 NOTEPAD.EXE
> >SYSTEM INI 816 17/12/93 23:13 SYSTEM.INI
> >TASKMAN EXE 3,744 29/09/92 3:10 TASKMAN.EXE
> >WIND COM 26,770 17/12/93 20:53 WIND.COM
> >MSDOS EXE 46,640 01/05/90 3:00 MSDOS.EXE
> >SYSTEM <DIR> 17/12/93 23:34 SYSTEM
> >REG DAT 864 02/04/94 17:09 REG.DAT
> >WIN BAT 20 27/11/94 11:19 WIN.BAT
> > 8 file(s) 113,849 bytes
> >
> >Directory of A:\SYSTEM
> >
> >. <DIR> 17/12/93 23:34 .
> >.. <DIR> 17/12/93 23:34 ..
> >COMM DRV 9,280 29/09/92 3:10 COMM.DRV
> >COMMDLG DLL 89,248 29/09/92 3:10 COMMDLG.DLL
> >COURE FON 23,408 07/04/92 3:10 COURE.FON
> >DDEML DLL 38,400 15/12/92 0:00 DDEML.DLL
> >DOSX EXE 32,682 29/09/92 3:10 DOSX.EXE
> >DSWAP EXE 27,474 29/09/92 3:10 DSWAP.EXE
> >GDI EXE 220,800 29/09/92 3:10 GDI.EXE
> >KEYBOARD DRV 7,568 29/09/92 3:10 KEYBOARD.DRV
> >KRNL286 EXE 71,730 29/09/92 3:10 KRNL286.EXE
> >MMSOUND DRV 3,440 29/09/92 3:10 MMSOUND.DRV
> >OLECLI DLL 83,456 29/09/92 3:10 OLECLI.DLL
> >OLESVR DLL 24,064 29/09/92 3:10 OLESVR.DLL
> >SERIFE FON 57,936 10/03/92 3:10 SERIFE.FON
> >SHELL DLL 41,600 29/09/92 3:10 SHELL.DLL
> >SSERIFE FON 64,544 10/03/92 3:10 SSERIFE.FON
> >SYSTEM DRV 2,304 29/09/92 3:10 SYSTEM.DRV
> >USER EXE 264,016 03/06/93 21:42 USER.EXE
> >VER DLL 9,008 29/09/92 3:10 VER.DLL
> >VGA DRV 73,200 29/09/92 3:10 VGA.DRV
> >VGACOLOR 2GR 4,484 29/09/92 3:10 VGACOLOR.2GR
> >VGAFIX FON 5,360 10/03/92 3:10 VGAFIX.FON
> >VGAOEM FON 5,168 10/03/92 3:10 VGAOEM.FON
> >VGASYS FON 7,280 10/03/92 3:10 VGASYS.FON
> >WIN CNF 16,112 29/09/92 3:10 WIN.CNF
> >WIN87EM DLL 12,800 29/09/92 3:10 WIN87EM.DLL
> >WINOLDAP MOD 31,232 29/09/92 3:10 WINOLDAP.MOD
> >WSWAP EXE 16,302 29/09/92 3:10 WSWAP.EXE
> >KBDUK DLL 1,428 29/09/92 3:10 KBDUK.DLL
> >MSCMOUSE DRV 4,960 29/09/92 3:10 MSCMOUSE.DRV
> >SETUP INF 60,205 29/09/92 3:10 SETUP.INF
> >SETUP REG 3,508 29/09/92 3:10 SETUP.REG
> >LZEXPAND DLL 9,936 29/09/92 3:10 LZEXPAND.DLL
> >CONTROL INF 20,993 29/09/92 3:10 CONTROL.INF
> > 33 file(s) 1,343,926 bytes
> >
> >Total files listed:
> > 41 file(s) 1,457,775 bytes
> > 3 dir(s) 29,184 bytes free
> >
> >--------------------8<------------------- <snip> ---------------------
> >
> >Paul Chitescu wrote:
> >>
> >> If you are really good, you can stretch a Windows very much.
> >>
> >> I currently have a machine in the following configuration:
> >> - 80386DX/33, 8MB RAM
> >> - totally diskless
> >> - no display adapter
> >> - no keyboard or mouse
> >> - two network boards
> >>
> >> This machine boots remote from LAN, creates a 3MB RAM disk, allocats 16K
> >> instead of CGA video memory. Windows 3.1 starts (CGA video) and loads a
> >> Trumpet TCP/IP stack, a Web server, POP3 client, mail daemon, proxy. All
> >> file accesses for the Web page and mail send/retrive are trough LAN.
> >>
> >> Oh, yes, I use standard mode to be able to do the trick with no video. I
> >> use a little shareware utility to remotely control the system but now I
> >> have a UN*X-like command line accessed trough telnet.
> >>
> >> The Windows (+System) directory has 1.4 MB (including Trumpet) and the
> >> Internet programs (written by myself) use another 174 KB. The program
> >> manager is not included, nor the main control panel. I'v done all setup
> >> before (about 600 KB freed). The shell is MSDOS.EXE (from Windows 3.0).
> >>
> >> DOS takes about 150 KB (most of them : EMM386.EXE = 91 KB)
> >>
> >> The machine runs right now and has about 1 MB free RAM disk (for temp
> >> files) and 3 MB free memory. I've booted this machine 2 weeks ago, same
> >> for the LAN server (LANtastic 6.0).
> >>
> >> I think a usable Windows 3.1 system can be reduced to about 3-4 MB of
> >> disk space but you must know what it's safe to remove.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Paul Chitescu
> >> Paul...@icpe.ro
> >> http://193.230.185.130/~paulc/
> >> ICQ:22641673
>
> Clay Calvert
> Replace the "W" in my e-mail address with an "L" to reply.
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Joe
custom install and then NOT install all the stuff you don't want. Doing
this will NOT install write, notepad, the games, the netwrork stuff, the
tutorial, etc. You can also skip installing printer drivers this way.
While this may not be the bare minimum, it will give you a much smaller
foorprint than what windoze.3x normally takes up.
Joe
Josiah
the DOS networking software that enabled non-Workgroups versions of 3.x to
be networked. Might have less clutter that way, but I don't know. Just a
possible suggestion. Also, when you install Windows you can use advanved
install which lets you pick and choose what you want as far as applications
like Paint, sound recorder, games, etc.
"HBj" <hakan.bj...@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
news:2c7f630f.03102...@posting.google.com...
Alan Douglas
Information on two "minimalist" installations of Windows have been
posted here in the past, called "Peephole" and "Shards." They both
fit on single floppies; I tried them and they do work. I'd think that
a Google search would turn up recent info on them, but I don't
remember details of where I downloaded them.
Cheers, Alan
LegMan
Peephole can be found at...
http://www.undercoverdesign.com/dosghost/dos/ph_w31.htm#top
HTH,
LegMan (remove 999 for eMail)
John Dulak
HBj:
If I understand what you want correctly, you require Windows for
Workgroups 3.11 to be able to share files via a network using the
NetBeui protocol while occupying the smallest amount of disk space.
I was intrigued enough by your question to try an experiment. I "Cloned"
my functional archive of MS DOS 6.2/WFW 3.11 that had the Y2K patch,
Win32s and TCP/IP32 patches applied. I then started "pruning" the system
starting with the games, True Type Fonts, Terminal, Write and anything
else that was obviously not essential. I then ditched "Program Manager"
as the shell in favor of "File Manager", since a file server would not
be running many applications. I kept "Notepad" as a convenient utility
that did not take up much space. I went through the .DLLs and eliminated
anything that was not needed as well (OLE stuff, FAX stuff). The results
are as follows: a network enabled version of Windows for Workgroups 3.11
in ~7Meg (plus the swap file). The underlying DOS could be minimal as
well and would not expand the footprint much. One possible problem with
such a setup is that it could only deal with "8.2" file names but if
this is respected it should work.
More knowledgeable readers will, perhaps, be able to suggest further
pruning as I have no idea what some of the remanning files do. Some
files Windows will not let me remove because they are "in use" but there
may be a way around this.
Main WFW 3.11 directory <C:TESTWIN> 48 files 1.66MB
C:\TESTWIN\NETWORKS
C:\TESTWIN\PROTOCOL
C:\TESTWIN\SERVICES
C:\TESTWIN\WFWSYS.CFG
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM.CLN
C:\TESTWIN\WIN.CLN
C:\TESTWIN\PROTOCOL.CLN
C:\TESTWIN\WIN.COM
C:\TESTWIN\CONNECT.DAT
C:\TESTWIN\REG.DAT
C:\TESTWIN\IFKERNEL.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\NDDENB.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\NE2000.DOS
C:\TESTWIN\PROTMAN.DOS
C:\TESTWIN\WINSETUP.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SETUP.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\CLIPSRV.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\WININIT.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\WINVER.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\NOTEPAD.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\NETDDE.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\NET.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\PROTMAN.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\ARP.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\NBTSTAT.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\NETSTAT.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\WINFILE.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\NCDINFO.INI
C:\TESTWIN\SERIALNO.INI
C:\TESTWIN\MOUSE.INI
C:\TESTWIN\PROTOCOL.INI
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM.INI
C:\TESTWIN\DOSAPP.INI
C:\TESTWIN\WINFILE.INI
C:\TESTWIN\WIN.INI
C:\TESTWIN\NET.MSG
C:\TESTWIN\NETH.MSG
C:\TESTWIN\_DEFAULT.PIF
C:\TESTWIN\DOSPRMPT.PIF
C:\TESTWIN\EDIT.PIF
C:\TESTWIN\SHARES.PWL
C:\TESTWIN\JGD.PWL
C:\TESTWIN\SHARE000.PWL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM.SYD
C:\TESTWIN\WIN.SYD
C:\TESTWIN\IFSHLP.SYS
C:\TESTWIN\NDISHLP.SYS
C:\TESTWIN\NDISLOG.TXT
WFW 3.11 SYSTEM directory 113 Files, 4.98MB
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VGACOLOR.2GR
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\LANMAN10.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VDDSVGA.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VTDAPI.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VDDVGA30.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VCACHE.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\NDIS.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VFAT.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\IFSMGR.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\IOS.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VCOMM.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VPMTD.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VXDLDR.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\NDIS2SUP.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\NE2000.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\NETBEUI.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VREDIR.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VSERVER.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VNETSUP.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VDDXGA.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SERIAL.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VSHARE.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VDHCP.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VIP.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VNBT.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VTCP.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VTDI.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WSOCK.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WSTCP.386
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\V7VGA.3GR
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VGADIB.3GR
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VGA.3GR
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VGA30.3GR
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WIN.CNF
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WFWNETCP.CPX
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\RMM.D32
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\COMMCTRL.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SCONFIG.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VER.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\LZEXPAND.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\NCDW.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WFWSETUP.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\FRAMEWRK.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\DEMILAYR.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\DDEML.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\NDDEAPI.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\TOOLHELP.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WIN87EM.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\COMMDLG.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SHELL.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\NETAPI.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\PMSPL.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WFWAUDIT.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\W32SYS.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WINMM16.DLL
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\MOUSE.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VGA.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\COMM.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SUPERVGA.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\KEYBOARD.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\XGA.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SOUND.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SYSTEM.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\TIMER.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WFWNET.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SVGA256.DRV
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\KRNL286.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\DSWAP.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\DOSX.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\KRNL386.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\GDI.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SYSEDIT.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WIN386.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WSWAP.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\LMSCRIPT.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WSASRV.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\USER.EXE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\EGA80WOA.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VGAOEM.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VGASYS.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SYMBOLE.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\DOSAPP.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SSERIFE.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\MODERN.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SCRIPT.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SMALLE.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\COURE.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\ROMAN.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\8514FIX.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\8514OEM.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\8514SYS.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\EGA40WOA.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SERIFF.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SSERIFF.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SYMBOLF.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\COURF.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SMALLF.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\CGA80WOA.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\CGA40WOA.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VGAFIX.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SERIFE.FON
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\NETWORK.INF
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WINNET.INF
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\CONTROL.INF
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SETUP.INF
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\APPS.INF
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WINOA386.MOD
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\LMSCRIPT.PIF
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\WIN386.PS2
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\SETUP.REG
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE
C:\TESTWIN\SYSTEM\LM21DRV.UPD
Artur Yelchishchev
<jo...@Booogus.com> wrote:
> I "Cloned" my functional archive of MS DOS 6.2/WFW 3.11
-snip-
> One possible problem with
>such a setup is that it could only deal with "8.2" file names
^^^^^^
Well, I've never tried to strip it so hard! :-)
Just kidding, of course. Thanks for useful information about the
essential files!
Cheers,
Artur
John Dulak
Artur:
Nice catch.
That SHOULD have been "8.3". i.e. the short short file names used on
DOS / Win 3.x systems
John
Artur Yelchishchev
<jo...@Booogus.com> wrote:
>Nice catch.
:-)
>That SHOULD have been "8.3".
Yes, I understand.
WBR,
Artur