Need a Cheap Windoze programming language
Aaron D. Elkiss
I need something cheap (ie shareware, freeware, or $29.99-ware) that will
let me program Windoze. Preferable C or Pascal, then Basic, then something I
don't know.
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Chris Marriott
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>I need something cheap (ie shareware, freeware, or $29.99-ware) that will
>let me program Windoze. Preferable C or Pascal, then Basic, then something I
>don't know.
::sigh::
Sorry - could have helped you, but obviously now I can't :-(
Chris
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Clifford Stabbert
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>I need something cheap (ie shareware, freeware, or $29.99-ware) that will
>let me program Windoze. Preferable C or Pascal, then Basic, then something I
>don't know.
Make it 39.99-ware and get the book Programming Windows by Charles Petzold.
You'll need to read it *anyway*.
cps
NetNinja
>I need something cheap (ie shareware, freeware, or $29.99-ware) that will
>let me program Windoze. Preferable C or Pascal, then Basic, then something I
>don't know.
Look through the classifieds in your local newspaper. Here atleast I
have found people selling Borland C++ 3.1 for $30, Turbo C++ for even
less!
The problem with getting a new compiler at the price you mention is
that Microsoft probably charges royalties on the Windows SDK included
with every compiler.
Hope this helps
Regards
Rajen Narurkar
Skarkada
system? Most operating system vendors do!
Chris Marriott
>Why doesn't MS supply a development tool along with the Windows operating
>system? Most operating system vendors do!
Because that way they could quite correctly be accused of acting as a
monopoly. The current situation, where Microsoft provide the operating
system, and ANYONE is free to write development tools, is MUCH "healthier"
IMHO.
Jonnathon Tann
> In article <3sro22$b...@news.ysu.edu> bh...@yfn.ysu.edu "Aaron D. Elkiss"
> writes:
>
> >
> >I need something cheap (ie shareware, freeware, or $29.99-ware) that will
> >let me program Windoze. Preferable C or Pascal, then Basic, then something I
> >don't know.
>
> ::sigh::
>
> Sorry - could have helped you, but obviously now I can't :-(
>
> Chris
(-: No comment!!!! ;-)
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John Grant
>Why doesn't MS supply a development tool along with the Windows operating
>system? Most operating system vendors do!
interested in what 'most' vendors do.
And no, I do not consider the K&R C compiler that is/was provided
'free' with Sparcstations to be a 'development tool'. You get what
you pay for.
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John A. Grant jag...@emr1.emr.ca
Airborne Geophysics
Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa
Tommy Usher
>>let me program Windoze. Preferable C or Pascal, then Basic, then something I
>>don't know.
>
>Make it 39.99-ware and get the book Programming Windows by Charles Petzold.
>You'll need to read it *anyway*.
Unless I am mistaken, that book does not include a compiler, or any sort
of development system.
There are several "free" languages available. There is something called
Liberty BASIC from ZiffNet on Compu$erve, there is a German Windows BASIC,
there is Oberon, Windows XLisp, and Logo. I am not sure that any of these
will meet his needs.
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Clifford Stabbert
<snip>
> You are perfectly right. But the original posters question was
> regarding lack of tools not regarding their quality.
> BTW how about stuff like awk, lex, yacc etc? These are
> generally 'free' (as in bundled!) and can be classified as
> development tools.
< vent mode on >
True. And to get even more off-topic, I just need to add in my two cents
here. I grew up owning a Timex/Sinclair and messed around with it, and
my friend's Commodore 64, quite a lot. And both machines came with manuals
that basically spelled out how the machines worked from top to bottom.
You could program them pretty much from scratch, which I had a lot of fun
doing.
When I finally got a PC, I was shocked -- shocked! -- that even the most
basic info was not included. The manuals were of the "To turn on your PC,
move the power switch to the ON position" variety. The most detailed info
was a little diagram of the motherboard on which they identified maybe
five components out of God knows how many. I certainly felt a lot more like
a 'consumer' - the machine was not mine to understand. I still am somewhat
miffed over that whole experience.
Don't get me wrong - I understand that with PC's, many things are different
(a lot more complexity, no one company using its own proprietary systems etc.)
but even so I don't like the technological trend that seems to be taking
away what I consider to be knowledge and power over my own posessions.
People who used to be able to fix their own car or camera or whatever often
find themselves in the same position now.
There. I feel a lot better now. Sorry about that.
cps
Clifford Stabbert
<snip>
>>Make it 39.99-ware and get the book Programming Windows by Charles Petzold.
>>You'll need to read it *anyway*.
>
>Unless I am mistaken, that book does not include a compiler, or any sort
>of development system.
That's right. But anyone programming for windows should read this book.
That's why I said "You'll need to read it *anyway* ".
cps
NetNinja
>In article <3t1h3t$r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> skar...@aol.com (Skarkada) writes:
>>Why doesn't MS supply a development tool along with the Windows operating
>>system? Most operating system vendors do!
> Please enumerate these vendors and their development tools. I am
> interested in what 'most' vendors do.
Microsoft. 'QBasic' and 'Debug' with DOS :-) :-)
> And no, I do not consider the K&R C compiler that is/was provided
> 'free' with Sparcstations to be a 'development tool'. You get what
> you pay for.
You are perfectly right. But the original posters question was
regarding lack of tools not regarding their quality.
BTW how about stuff like awk, lex, yacc etc? These are
generally 'free' (as in bundled!) and can be classified as
development tools.
Rajen Narurkar
Wayne Sankey
You're also going to need the MS Windows 3.1 Programmers References
Volumes 2 and 3. There's no way you're going to get a program working
without the function call, structure, message, macros and data type
syntax. At least I couldn't, anyhow.
Petzold is the best book for programming any language that _I've_ ever
seen, but you also need the references to just look things up when you're
coding. I also like to look thru the references as I read Petzold
to get more familiar with the functions, etc. as I go along.
Sorry for the bad news...
W.
Tommy Usher
Clifford Stabbert <c...@phantom.com> wrote:
>hac...@ns.secis.com (Tommy Usher) wrote:
>>>Make it 39.99-ware and get the book Programming Windows by Charles Petzold.
>>>You'll need to read it *anyway*.
>>
>>Unless I am mistaken, that book does not include a compiler, or any sort
>>of development system.
>
>That's right. But anyone programming for windows should read this book.
>
>That's why I said "You'll need to read it *anyway* ".
This is true. Granted I have never seen a book that includes a complete
programming environment for Windows. There are several for DOS, but the
closest is one about Winscope, which looks like it might, but careful
reading shows that it is not what it originally appears to be. The demo
version of Winscope ONLY works with the sample program included with the
package.
joe_wil...@wiltel.com
> Why doesn't MS supply a development tool along with the Windows operating
> system? Most operating system vendors do!
For your copy of Windows that costs less than $100 you want a development tool
also? How much is the operating system cost for those other vendors? Does Motif
come free, or do you have to pay extra for it also?
Come on gimme a break! You can get: Borland Turbo C++ 4.5 for $49, Borland
Turbo Pascal for Windows 1.5 for ~$100, Visual Basic 3.0 Standard Edition for
~$79, and Visual C++ Standard Edition for ~$79.
They all have great IDEs, better than what you get on UNIX platforms. To just get
an almost comparable IDE on any UNIX platform will cost you several thousands of
dollars.
Windows is a great bargain.
Tim Smith
>You're also going to need the MS Windows 3.1 Programmers References
>Volumes 2 and 3. There's no way you're going to get a program working
>without the function call, structure, message, macros and data type
>syntax. At least I couldn't, anyhow.
(1) I found the online version that comes with most compilers sufficient.
Volumes 0 and 1, however, were useful to read after Petzold.
(2) Judging from some of the really stupid questions that get asked on
this group, some people seem to get quite far without knowning anything
about the stuff in Volumes 2 and 3!
--Tim Smith