Upgrade / Full Install

Yannis Pantzis

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Aug 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/29/97

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Micro

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On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:33:03 +0300, "Yannis Pantzis"
<NOSPAM...@freemail.gr> wrote:

>Does anybody know whether Windows 98 will come out as a full install? I think that many people are going to format their disks before installing it (like me)
Win98 IS currently capable of either a bare metal (full) install or as
an upgrade. The finished retail product will always have the same
installation capabilities, just as did Win95. The bare metal install
is always the preferred method for install a new O.S but has the
drawback of requiring reinstallation of all other software, shortcuts
and customizations.

Micro

vacuo

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Sep 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM9/11/97

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Why do you say 'reinstallation of all other software'? If your
programs are on a separate partition you only need to remake
the shortcuts. Only an idiot would wipe out installed programs
along with the old os. Or so it would seem. With huge hd's in use
today why not get everyone in the habit of creating separate
partitions for each of the os's in use or contemplated in future.
Easier to manage and, xcopy to somewhere else ('backup').
Vacuo

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:53:11 GMT, micr...@mindspring.com (Micro)
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Keet

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Sep 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM9/11/97

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vacuo wrote:

> Why do you say 'reinstallation of all other software'? If your
> programs are on a separate partition you only need to remake
> the shortcuts.

> <SNIP>

Uh, have you heard of this funny thing called a registry!?! If you
install into a new area, wiping out the previous install, as Micro
stated, then you would have to reinstall the applications....If they
aren't registered (in the win.ini or registry), then you aren't going to
run them. I suspect you were refering to upgrading an existing OS, in
which case you would be correct. Or, conversely, you were refering to
DOS apps which do not need any registration. I won't think of the other
possibility.

Keet

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Micro

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Sep 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM9/12/97

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On 11 Sep 1997 18:19:11 GMT, w...@netheaven.com (vacuo) wrote:

>Why do you say 'reinstallation of all other software'? If your
>programs are on a separate partition you only need to remake

>the shortcuts. Only an idiot would wipe out installed programs
>along with the old os. Or so it would seem. With huge hd's in use
>today why not get everyone in the habit of creating separate
>partitions for each of the os's in use or contemplated in future.
>Easier to manage and, xcopy to somewhere else ('backup').
>Vacuo
>
>
>
>On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:53:11 GMT, micr...@mindspring.com (Micro)
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:33:03 +0300, "Yannis Pantzis"
>><NOSPAM...@freemail.gr> wrote:
>>
>>>Does anybody know whether Windows 98 will come out as a full install?
>>I think that many people are going to format their disks before installing it (like me)
>>Win98 IS currently capable of either a bare metal (full) install or as
>>an upgrade. The finished retail product will always have the same
>>installation capabilities, just as did Win95. The bare metal install
>>is always the preferred method for install a new O.S but has the
>>drawback of requiring reinstallation of all other software, shortcuts
>>and customizations.
>>
>> Micro
>

Perhaps the problem is the beta terminology. A bare metal
(full install) is a fdisk, format. Setup is then run, using the
Start-up disk, from the command prompt.
A full install consists consists of deleting the Windows and
Program Files directories (or all appropriate files if you are sure
you delete ALL the right ones) Setup is then from command prompt.
An upgrade consists of running the setup program from the
"run" line in Win9x .
The reason given for "re-installing all software" after a bare
metal or full install is that very few programs confine themselves
solely to their own directories. Many install custom .dll's and in
some cases .vxd's into the Windows or Windows/System directories and
of course if those directories no longer exist you get the infamous
"file or device not found" problem.
Also programs install not just shortcuts but also links and
hooks into Win9x and other software, almost all of which is stored in
the registry, again which doesn't exist if you wiped the partition. It
can of course all be redone manually with the registry editor, but is
just a pain. Even if your programs are installed to a separate
partition it is just sometimes easier and faster to reinstall the
program than to rebuild all this.

Micro

Chris Green

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Sep 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM9/14/97

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Well, actually, I think Micro is right, assuming he's referring to Windows
applications using the registry. Lots of Win95-style applications store
stuff in the registry which is essential to their operation, and
reinstalling the OS from scratch, which often is worthwhile, unfortunately
results in a clean registry - so those programs that needed stuff from the
old one aren't going to work unless they're reinstalled.

Of course, the reason a lot of people reinstall the OS is to start clean,
with a new registry anyway...

Regards
Chris Green

vacuo wrote in message <5v9co6$noc$0...@198.69.29.144>...

>Why do you say 'reinstallation of all other software'? If your
>programs are on a separate partition you only need to remake
>the shortcuts.

>....[deleted for brevity]
>>.....is always the preferred method for install a new O.S but has the