Nashville vs Detroit???
Daren Sorenson
Can someone please tell me the difference between
the beta's MS is now working on...
Win95 Service Pack 2
Nashville and/or Nashville Plus
Detroit
thanks...
Daren
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Frank Cincotta
Win 95 Service Pack 2 should be an interim update till Nashville gets here(Win 97) At
last check Nashville should be out by early '97.
Dan Guisinger (QWL)
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong
Nashville is the Internet AddOn Pack due out this fall.
I am a beta tester of this.
It includes IE 4.0, Active Desktop, Built In Conferencing, Mail, Internet,
etc.
Memphis is Windows 97 (95 using NT Kernel)
Cairo is Windows 2000 (Merger of 95 and NT, totaly object oriented)
(Alot of damn code names though huh?)
> Frank Cincotta <Vuff...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
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Bertram Chan
Daren Sorenson <dss...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Can someone please tell me the difference between
>the beta's MS is now working on...
Oh...pop quiz.
>Win95 Service Pack 2
Available only to OEMs and has new 32bit FAT system allowing better
handling of 2gig + drives. Not an upgrade like SP1 so it's a whole new
CD-ROM or set of disks. To get it you'll have to buy a new computer or
buy Win95 again.
>Nashville and/or Nashville Plus
Nashville was what was leaked a while back and contained some minor
changes to the original Win95. Now according to news reports MS has
changed Nashville to be an upgrade for Win95 which will integrate
Internet Explorer into the OS. Web sites will be navigated through the
same method you use explorer to navigate your hard disk.
>Detroit
Hmm...don't know.
Do I pass?
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Matt Boyle
Bertram Chan (bc...@mustang.uwo.ca) wrote:
: Daren Sorenson <dss...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: Oh...pop quiz.
: >Win95 Service Pack 2
: >Nashville and/or Nashville Plus
: >Detroit
: Hmm...don't know.
: Do I pass?
I think that ms sucks when they offer service pack one for us people who
purchased win 95 and then decide to no offer service pack 2 on the net.
That doesnt make any sence.
I guess its a way for bill to more money.
I think i will switch to os/2 or linux.
--Matt
Filip Lingier
In article <4q4q0f$l...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Frank Cincotta
> Win 95 Service Pack 2 should be an interim update till Nashville gets
> here(Win 97) At last check Nashville should be out by early '97.
Nashville is an update for the Plus pack according to my info.
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Tim Cassedy-Blum
What is this "Detroit" mentioned in the message...I'm in on beta testing
but I've never heard of this one...
> Daren Sorenson <dss...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<31C2B5...@worldnet.att.net>...
> Can someone please tell me the difference between
> the beta's MS is now working on...
>
jerrym
You're absolutely right, kinda. The Nashville Plus pack gives it that
Internet Explorer (yuk - forgive me, but I still like Netscape mucho moro)
look and feel, plus (no pun intended) it includes the mail & news reader
package.
> bc...@mustang.uwo.ca (Bertram Chan) wrote in article
<31c60734...@newshost.uwo.ca>...
> Daren Sorenson <dss...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Can someone please tell me the difference between
> >the beta's MS is now working on...
>
> Oh...pop quiz.
Paul Balogh (Contract)
> : Do I pass?
> I think i will switch to os/2 or linux.
> --Matt
I switched to the current linux port for intel. The install took only
half of an hour and I have got linux to perform any trick that Win95 does,
Plus a bunch of new ones.
I recommend the Redhat Linux CD's, easy install and lots of support.!!!
Remember support? The commercial RedHat CD has optimized X win, which means
very fast windows. The DOS emulators are now alot better than they used to be,
I can even read/write the VFAT partitions of win95 with long filenames (and NTFS!)
The last estimate I read was officially ~400,000 linux users, and unofficially
17 million Linux users.
Linux comes with everything for $29.00 - $40.00. Firewalls, Web Servers, Web Browsers,
C and C++ compilers, perl 5, mpeg X players, Wave players and convertors. And source
for most programs.
Linux is now 64 bit, so its faster than win95 or NT for Internet stuff, 80% of the net
servers are running unix, do you know why?
It can handle the load much better than NT or win95.
MS Win* cheap low content OS of the 90's, like the MacDonalds of OS's, no substance!
Paul
-=Lester=-
Hey check this out :::
Have you guys ever herad of Gizeh ???
Well Microsoft is also working on a NEW Windows.
It's gonna be a 3D 64-bits operating system.
GUI developed by Disney-experts.
Icons have a 3D-pyramide look (that's why the codename is : Gizeh)
Probably will take a couple of years, but he, at least we know what the
hell they're doing!!!
Mail me,
-=Lester=-
b...@hacom.nl
> Daren Sorenson <dss...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<31C2B5...@worldnet.att.net>...
> Can someone please tell me the difference between
> the beta's MS is now working on...
>
Chris Quirke
mbo...@megalinx.net (Matt Boyle) wrote:
>: >Win95 Service Pack 2
>: Available only to OEMs and has new 32bit FAT system allowing better
>: handling of 2gig + drives. Not an upgrade like SP1 so it's a whole new
>: CD-ROM or set of disks. To get it you'll have to buy a new computer or
>: buy Win95 again.
>I think that ms sucks when they offer service pack one for us people who
>purchased win 95 and then decide to no offer service pack 2 on the net.
>That doesnt make any sence.
I think it's the nature of the beast. Probably had to change so many
support utilities and other stuff that it got a bit too much to
download, and also I'm sure the "convert data to FAT32 without backup
and restore" turned out to be more hassle than its worth.
But even so, can you imagine the kind of cock-ups when the LAN support
droid strolls over to one of the new systems with the old Win95 utils
on disk? Or when someone runs such a utility from a remote LAN drive
by accident? I hope the old Win95 tools do a sanity check before
diving in... hopefully this was added at the time with IFS in mind?
Bertram Chan
"-=Lester=-" <b...@hacom.nl> wrote:
>Hey check this out :::
>Have you guys ever herad of Gizeh ???
>Well Microsoft is also working on a NEW Windows.
>It's gonna be a 3D 64-bits operating system.
That sounds like the promotional literature for the next Sega or
Nintendo system.
>GUI developed by Disney-experts.
Nah...that's actually the next version of MS BOB.
>Icons have a 3D-pyramide look (that's why the codename is : Gizeh)
Isn't it supposed to be "Giza" then?
Filip Lingier
In article <01bb6017.30abcb60$5be943c1@Pbos> "-=Lester=-" <b...@hacom.nl>
writes:
> Hey check this out :::
>
> Have you guys ever herad of Gizeh ???
>
> Well Microsoft is also working on a NEW Windows.
> It's gonna be a 3D 64-bits operating system.
> Icons have a 3D-pyramide look (that's why the codename is : Gizeh)
>
> the hell they're doing!!!
I see you have read the 'April Fools' article in 'C'T Magazin':-)
Goofy
Chris Quirke (cqu...@iafrica.com) wrote:
: mbo...@megalinx.net (Matt Boyle) wrote:
: >: >Win95 Service Pack 2
I still thing that it is wrong that they would make the curent users stay
awith the 16 bit fat but provide the 32 upgrade to others. i feel cheated
since i spent the 89.99 for the upgrade to win95.
Goofy
Frank van Leeuwen
-=Lester=- wrote:
>
> Hey check this out :::
>
> Have you guys ever herad of Gizeh ???
>
> Well Microsoft is also working on a NEW Windows.
> It's gonna be a 3D 64-bits operating system.
> GUI developed by Disney-experts.
> Icons have a 3D-pyramide look (that's why the codename is : Gizeh)
>
> Probably will take a couple of years, but he, at least we know what the
> hell they're doing!!!
>
>
> -=Lester=-
> b...@hacom.nl
Sure, I heard of Gizeh. Saw all about it in the _april_ issue of a German computer
magazine. I forgot all the other "features".
When I read it I thought noone would believe this shit. Well, ...
(Sorry Lester)
Frank.
Kyle D. Ross
A local PC user's group had the chance to have a phone interview with a
Microsoft representative. The rep stated that much of the SP2 will be
available for d/l from MS, though some of it will strictly be OEM
material...
Just something to look out for...
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> cqu...@iafrica.com (Chris Quirke) wrote in article
<4qfgm0$d...@newnews.iafrica.com>...
Dylan Walsh
"Dan Guisinger (QWL)" <d.gui...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Wrong, Wrong, Wrong
>Nashville is the Internet AddOn Pack due out this fall.
>I am a beta tester of this.
>It includes IE 4.0, Active Desktop, Built In Conferencing, Mail, Internet,
>etc.
>Memphis is Windows 97 (95 using NT Kernel)
>Cairo is Windows 2000 (Merger of 95 and NT, totaly object oriented)
>(Alot of damn code names though huh?)
>> Frank Cincotta <Vuff...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
><4q4q0f$l...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>> Win 95 Service Pack 2 should be an interim update till Nashville gets
>here(Win 97) At
>> last check Nashville should be out by early '97.
>>
>>
Will Cairo, a merger between 95 and NT, replace both NT and 95 (or
97/whatever) ?
loo
In article <31C2B5...@worldnet.att.net>, Daren Sorenson <dss...@worldnet.att.net> says:
>
>Can someone please tell me the difference between
>the beta's MS is now working on...
>
>Win95 Service Pack 2
>Nashville and/or Nashville Plus
>Detroit
Win95 Service Pak 2 is actually Win95 Get It Right 2 - i.e. the 2nd
attempt to fix bugs in Win95 without introducing too many new ones.
Nashville is a codename for Microsoft's attempts to merge Win95 and
WinNT. Named after the gateway to Appalachia, it appears that the
intent of the effort is to create the computer equivalent off that funny
looking kid on the front porch in the movie "Deliverance"
Detroit is the codename for Microsoft's efforts beyond NT - they're in such
disarray now as they put all their efforts into fixing Win95, inbreeding
WinNT and trying to see if that really was the Internet that passed them
by, they figured they would just name it after the most violent and confused
city in America. Runor is they may scrap the project and restart it under the
codename Washington, D.C.
Christopher L. Estep
In article <4qi7bu$n...@artemis.it.luc.edu>, jL...@luc.edu (loo) wrote:
>In article <31C2B5...@worldnet.att.net>, Daren Sorenson
> <dss...@worldnet.att.net> says:
>>
>>Can someone please tell me the difference between
>>the beta's MS is now working on...
>>
>>Win95 Service Pack 2
>>Nashville and/or Nashville Plus
>>Detroit
>
>Win95 Service Pak 2 is actually Win95 Get It Right 2 - i.e. the 2nd
>attempt to fix bugs in Win95 without introducing too many new ones.
Most of the "bugs" are the result of advances in hardware; the base Windows 95
(the original versions 950) runs just fine on "legacy" systems (ISA-bus 386
and 486 machines). The fast ascendancy of the Pentium, especially into the
home market, was not foreseen by developers of Windows 95 (despite the
protests of some beta-testers); also, some of what is in the first two Service
Packs was originally in Microsoft Plus and is being "slipstreamed" into the
basic product via the SPs (the new look in Explorer was originally seen in
Plus; SP1 moves it into the generic Windowbase).
>
>Nashville is a codename for Microsoft's attempts to merge Win95 and
>WinNT. Named after the gateway to Appalachia, it appears that the
>intent of the effort is to create the computer equivalent off that funny
>looking kid on the front porch in the movie "Deliverance"
You missed this one: Nashville was originally intended to be a Windows 95
Service Pack (the largest to date) which would bring 95 largely up to NT 4
specifications. This will still happen; in fact, most of what was seen in the
"leaked" Nashville prototype will be in the released SP3 (that is, what won't
be implemented in the first two SPs). So far, only the PIM isn't scheduled to
"sneak" into the released Nashville/SP3.
>
>Detroit is the codename for Microsoft's efforts beyond NT - they're in such
>disarray now as they put all their efforts into fixing Win95, inbreeding
>WinNT and trying to see if that really was the Internet that passed them
>by, they figured they would just name it after the most violent and confused
>city in America. Runor is they may scrap the project and restart it under the
>codename Washington, D.C.
Not exactly.....Detroit is a future release of NT (post-Cairo) that will
finally displace Windows 95 except on older hardware. Unlike Nashville,
Detroit will include the OO architecture and driver model. Unlike Cairo,
Detroit will be a full 64-bit operating system from end to end. Detroit will
be completely backward compatible with Cairo's application base: however,
existing Windows 3.x/95/NT Workstation apps won't run on it.
Chris Quirke
mbo...@megalinx.net (Goofy) wrote:
>I still thing that it is wrong that they would make the curent users stay
>awith the 16 bit fat but provide the 32 upgrade to others. i feel cheated
>since i spent the 89.99 for the upgrade to win95.
I agree, I'd be surprised if it isn't up for ftp, although without a
huge fanfare, the way the huge full version of SP#1 was.
1) Perhaps that huge download snowed out the server, and they don't
want to do it again.
2) Perhaps the extent of changes required by FAT32 makes the new
version a running OS in its own right, and piracy is a consideration.
3) Perhaps a policy decision to distribute via OEMs only was made in
order to avoid supporting the thing (OEMs assume full support
responsability when providing OEM versions of an OS).
Out of the above, I'd put my money on (3). Perhaps MS will allow
"PowerToy" status for user downloads, or perhaps they will allow FAT32
to be offered as an add-on though the OEM channel; both methods allow
existing users to catch up without committing to end-user support.
Chris
In article <01bb6017.30abcb60$5be943c1@Pbos>,
"-=Lester=-" <b...@hacom.nl> wrote:
>Hey check this out :::
>
>Have you guys ever herad of Gizeh ???
>
>Well Microsoft is also working on a NEW Windows.
>It's gonna be a 3D 64-bits operating system.
>GUI developed by Disney-experts.
>Icons have a 3D-pyramide look (that's why the codename is : Gizeh)
>
>Probably will take a couple of years, but he, at least we know what
the
>hell they're doing!!!
>
>Mail me,
I thought "Gizeh" was a derogatory term for a senile aged invalid -
but at least the codename for the new windoze would make sense...
Jensen Harris
On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 01:42:30 -0700, "-=Lester=-" <b...@hacom.nl> wrote:
>Hey check this out :::
>
>Have you guys ever herad of Gizeh ???
>
>Well Microsoft is also working on a NEW Windows.
>It's gonna be a 3D 64-bits operating system.
>GUI developed by Disney-experts.
>Icons have a 3D-pyramide look (that's why the codename is : Gizeh)
>
>Probably will take a couple of years, but he, at least we know what the
>hell they're doing!!!
Wow, cool. Let me know how it comes out.
Jensen
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Charles Duncan
<dss...@worldnet.att.net> says:
>
>Can someone please tell me the difference between
>the beta's MS is now working on...
>
>Win95 Service Pack 2
>Nashville and/or Nashville Plus
>Detroit
Well, one thing is for sure, after reading this thread, the original
poster is now more confused then before.
Nashville, Detroit, Cairo, ... Gizeh. Sounds like code-naming products
does work.
I bet Microsoft is just rolling on the floor! :)
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CS Department http://nebo.cs.byu.edu/~duncan/homepage
Brigham Young University
Philipp Kolloczek
Hi ..
Charles Duncan <dun...@nebo.cs.byu.edu> wrote:
><dss...@worldnet.att.net> says:
>>
>>Can someone please tell me the difference between
>>the beta's MS is now working on...
>>
>>Win95 Service Pack 2
>>Nashville and/or Nashville Plus
>>Detroit
>Well, one thing is for sure, after reading this thread, the original
>poster is now more confused then before.
>Nashville, Detroit, Cairo, ... Gizeh. Sounds like code-naming products
>does work.
>I bet Microsoft is just rolling on the floor! :)
Guess your right ...
So far as I know :
Win95 Survice Pack 2 -> meant the next OEM Release-Version of Win95
some patrs of it will be available by downlaod, some not,
like Fat32
Nashville and/or Nashville Plus -> next version of Win95 with
implementet Java support, and 'Internet-ability'
Detroit -> was/is a code for that what will come after NT4.0
Cairo -> NT4.0
Gizeh -> An April-joke of C't, a computer magazine ...
See ya
Philipp
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Hey there,
the "new microsoft gizeh" was an april-fools joke here in germany.
So if you wait for this OS I think the release date will be 04/01/97.
CU ..;-) MM
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Adam Webb
>i feel cheated since i spent the 89.99 for the upgrade to win95.<
Now that Gates junior has been downloaded, Bill probably feels that money
is a little tight. For all we know, he might be down to his last billion
dollars!
Adam £;-)
Mikkel Yssen
All this is good...
But does it run Adobe Photoshop? Does it run the defacto standard suite MS Office? Does it run
Pagemaker? Painter? AutoCad? etc etc...
I have seen Linux in use and it was stunning, but you still have to be a techno-oriented
propellerhead(not to meant to offense anyone, I consider myself one) to go for such a solution.
Remember that most of the over 100 mill. people using PC´s today want them to be like a TV:
On/Off and not much more than gets the work done without having to know bat- and sys-files, let
alone (God forbid) partitions, etc. Most people hardly know how to program theit VCRs!!
If I remember correctly, this string started with a guy wanting to know the differences between
MS´ future OS releases, he did not look for an alternative OS.
Mikkel Yssen, Norway
Wladimir Minenko
: >Well Microsoft is also working on a NEW Windows.
Yes! Yes! More information about Gizeh you can obtain in the
April (!!!) issue of C't (a german computer magazine) :-)))
Have fun!
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Dylan Walsh
>> : Do I pass?
>> I think i will switch to os/2 or linux.
>> --Matt
>I switched to the current linux port for intel. The install took only
>half of an hour and I have got linux to perform any trick that Win95 does,
>Plus a bunch of new ones.
>I recommend the Redhat Linux CD's, easy install and lots of support.!!!
>Remember support? The commercial RedHat CD has optimized X win, which means
>very fast windows. The DOS emulators are now alot better than they used to be,
>I can even read/write the VFAT partitions of win95 with long filenames (and NTFS!)
>The last estimate I read was officially ~400,000 linux users, and unofficially
>17 million Linux users.
>Linux comes with everything for $29.00 - $40.00. Firewalls, Web Servers, Web Browsers,
>C and C++ compilers, perl 5, mpeg X players, Wave players and convertors. And source
>for most programs.
>Linux is now 64 bit, so its faster than win95 or NT for Internet stuff, 80% of the net
>servers are running unix, do you know why?
>It can handle the load much better than NT or win95.
>MS Win* cheap low content OS of the 90's, like the MacDonalds of OS's, no substance!
>Paul
Linux is just for people who haven't heard about FreeBSD :-)
Oosterhagen
dyw...@iol.ie (Dylan Walsh) wrote:
Okay let's keep this clear: THIS IS WINDOWS! Not a Linux or FreeBSD
discussion. Go play with apple and compare XV with their
bitmap-editing tools. Smell!! We're talking about money overhere. Some
people overhere actually bought that OS you dispise, don't spoil their
pleasure.
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