NT4 cannot format my 8GB partition (too large...)
Magnus Johansson
one simple wish that has been giving me a really hard time;
I have one single HD, an IBM 10.1GB (14GXP).
On this I want to create 2 partitions:
2 GB FAT16(b) (For Win98 gaming)
8 GB NTFS (For WinNT)
The problem is that the Wint NT4 install refuses to format my second
partition:
"Setup cannot format the partition
D: new (Unforamtted) 7601 MB
on 8057MB disk 0 at Id 0 on bus 0 on atapi
because it is too large"
What's the deal?
First it believes that my 10Gb is a 8 GB...
My Bios is set to LBA (Abit BH6).
Ok, so I tried to create the 2nd partition using PQMagic ,
and I've tried to leave it unformatted and format it to NTFS, no luck...
Any ideas anyone ?
Regards,
Magnus
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MillenniumCS
need to partition you're 2 gig for Windows 98. I suggest FAT 16 soyou can
read and write from NT. Then go in and install NT. This so far will solve
booting problems. Next NT is going to see you're drive as an 8gig drive,
because that is what's left that is unpartitioned. From here you have two
options: 1) Try to partition that 8 gig as FAT 16 then convert it to NTFS
later after you've got NT installed. OR
2) use 2 of the remaining 8 gig to put NT on as NTFS, then with Disk admin,
go back and create the rest of that 8 gig and the create a volume set to
make up a whole 8 gig from to partitions.
Hope that helped, It's all theory. I would only suggest a third party
partition utility (other than the one made just for that HD) as a last
resort...
Magnus Johansson <bassp...@telia.com> wrote in message
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Alan
onto the FAT partition, apply sp4 or the atapi.sys hotfix for sp3 and then
NT will be able to format the rest of your drive as the proper size.
Alan
Ben Lerner
I have a similar problem to Magnus Johansson's below, where I have a 10GB HD
and I'm trying to set it up to dual boot NT4 and Win98. I am TRYING to set
it up as follows:
C: 2GB FAT16 (Win98)
D: 8GB NTFS (NT4)
I first installed Win98 as above, into a 2GB partition I created with the Win
98 installer, and it worked great. Then I tried to install NT4.....
The NT4 loader recognized the remaining 8GB of my HD and allowed me to grab
it for my D partition. (Note: I had to use the atapi.sys hotfix described by
Morte below. Otherwise the NT installer would only recognize 6GB above my
2GB FAT16 C partition.) However, the NT installer would not let me format a
NTFS partition larger than 4GB. I found out that that's because NT first
creates a FAT16 partition and then converts it to NTFS. (Note: Normally a
FAT16 partition is limited to 2GB but the NT installer creates it with 64KB
sectors, so it can be as large as 4GB.)
My question is, how can I create a NT system partition larger that 4GB? The
installer won't do it. I have seen NT systems set up this way but I can't
figure out how to do it. Morte's advice helped find the rest of my disk, but
didn't help me to format it into 1 large 8GB partition.
I tried extending the 4GB NTFS partition using the disk manager tool with NT,
but it doesn't let you do that with a system partition.
Thanks in advance. All advice is appreciated.
Ben Lerner
Morte wrote:
> It was a full moon on Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:34:18 +0100, when
> "Magnus Johansson" <bassp...@telia.com>, dug this one up:
>
> >Greetings,
> >
> >one simple wish that has been giving me a really hard time;
> >I have one single HD, an IBM 10.1GB (14GXP).
> >
> >On this I want to create 2 partitions:
> >2 GB FAT16(b) (For Win98 gaming)
> >8 GB NTFS (For WinNT)
> >
> >The problem is that the Wint NT4 install refuses to format my second
> partition:
> >
> >"Setup cannot format the partition D: new (Unforamtted) 7601 MB
> >on 8057MB disk 0 at Id 0 on bus 0 on atapi because it is too large"
> >
> >What's the deal? First it believes that my 10Gb is a 8 GB... My Bios is
> set to LBA (Abit BH6).
> >
> >Ok, so I tried to create the 2nd partition using PQMagic ,
> >and I've tried to leave it unformatted and format it to NTFS, no luck...
> >
> >Any ideas anyone ?
> >
> >Regards,
> >Magnus
>
> Go here:
> Q. How do I install on a disk larger than 8GB
> http://www.ntfaq.com/ntfaq/install47.html#install47
>
> Don't listen to anyone else. This is all that works. AFTER you
> install SP4 it would work, but then how do you do that. BTW, just
> used this method on my new BX6-2 and WD 10 g.
>
> Morte
Ben Lerner
I'm not a real expert here but it sounds like when you installed Win98, you
created your partitions as "FAT32" partitions, which NT can't read. Here's a
basic rundown of Microsoft file system basics:
1) MS-DOS, Win3.1, and Win95 used a file system called FAT16, which could
support a maximum partition size of 2GB.
2) The very last "patch" release of Win98 (called "OSR 2") and Win98 support a
new file system called "FAT32" which can handle much larger disks. They also
support FAT16.
3) WinNT supports FAT16 and a new file system of its own, called "NTFS", which
can support very large drives.
4) IMPORTANT: Win98 cannot read NTFS. WinNT cannot read FAT32. The only file
system that they can both read in FAT16. So to dual-boot, your boot partition
for both systems MUST be FAT16.
I suspect that your Win98 partitions are FAT32, which NT can't read, so it
thinks they are bad. Assuming that's the problem, I don't know if there is a
way to convert them back to FAT16. If there is a way, great. Otherwise, you
may have to back up your disks, reformat them, and reinstall Win98 on FAT16
partitions.
Ben L.
Dunn One wrote:
> I am trying to dual boot between W98 and Winnt. I have a Diamond Max
> 3400(10.8 gb). It only recognizes 8gb. I have about 9 partitions created on
> this drive. I have a second 4.3 gb hd acting as a slave. Now, I don't know
> what the problem is. In Win98, everything is fine. However, when I try to
> install Winnt, it tells me that all my drives on the 10gb maxtor are damaged
> or unformatted. I don't want to try formatting the drives as I will lose
> Win98(I've installed it like 6 times!). I tried the hotfix but winnt said
> that the device didn't exist on my system. I don't know what the deal is.
> Could you please help? Are there any bios settings that could be causing
> this? Thanks.
Daniel Willems
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Clark L. Coleman
Ben Lerner <b...@mediacity.com> wrote:
>Your problem does not sound like mine at all.
>
>I'm not a real expert here but it sounds like when you installed Win98, you
>created your partitions as "FAT32" partitions, which NT can't read. Here's a
>basic rundown of Microsoft file system basics:
>
>1) MS-DOS, Win3.1, and Win95 used a file system called FAT16, which could
>support a maximum partition size of 2GB.
>2) The very last "patch" release of Win98 (called "OSR 2") and Win98 support a
>new file system called "FAT32" which can handle much larger disks. They also
>support FAT16.
I am running Win95 on a FAT32 partition, which seems to contradict the
above statements. I thought FAT32 was integral to Win95 from the
beginning. But perhaps it was only the OSR2 version of Win95 (I
believe you meant to say "last patch release of Win95" in #2 above?)
TownDrunk
<wil...@soudal.com> remarkedly, dreamt this whopper up:
write and works fine.
TownDrunk
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Win95 to Win95A - it still could read only FAT16. OSR2 (or OSR2.1, with USB
support) upgraded Win95 or Win95A to Win95B, which could use FAT32. Win98
could use FAT32 from the beginning. No version of Windows 9x - in fact no
operating system but NT - can read or write NTFS.
NT4 can read FAT16 or NTFS, but NOT FAT32. With FAT32.EXE, a utility from
www.sysinternals.com, NT4 can read (for free) and write (for a fee) FAT32,
but it still won't boot from a FAT32 drive.
Some other truths can be calculated from these basic rules. For example,
since NT4 can't read FAT32 and Win9x can't read NTFS, to dual boot these two
OSes, the C: drive (primary partition on the first physical hard drive) MUST
BE FAT16! To share files (applications or data) between Win9x and NT4, they
must be on FAT16 partitions. Since FAT16 partitions can be a maximum of
~2GB (max of 64K clusters in the FAT of a max of 32KB each), for maximum
compatibility on a 10GB drive, it must be partitioned into at least 5
logical drives. Etc.
RC
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