DNS 1.1 for Windows NT
Jared Vogt
Friday, April 28, 1995
MetaInfo, Inc. Announces DNS 1.1 for Windows NT
The First Full, Standard DNS for NT Workstation and
Server
Contact:
Ethan Bell
MetaInfo, Inc.
206-523-0484
eth...@metainfo.com
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Seattle, WA - April 28, 1995 - MetaInfo, Inc., announced today that it
will ship on June 15, 1995 the first full, RFC compliant Domain Name
Server for Microsoft Windows NT. DNS 1.1 provides hostname to
IP address mapping and resolution for both internal network clients and
as a full participant in the distributed Domain Name System. It is a
robust non-Unix solution to naming services that gives network
administrators greater control over name resolution and assignment by
bringing naming services within the local network. DNS 1.1 has been
used since February, 1994, by several educational institutions,
corporations, and small Internet providers. An evaluation beta is
available immediately on MetaInfo's World Wide Web server,
http://www.metainfo.com. The beta, which will expire on June 30,
1995, is a fully functional version of the software without a GUI
installation program or user documentation.
DNS 1.1 is a direct port from the original BIND and adheres to the
latest BIND release, 4.9.2. The software can be run either as a system
service or as an application. It supports all DNS functionality ,
including the ability to run as a secondary server, transfer zone
information, "round robin" lookups, and secure zones. The DNS files
are standard BIND and can be copied from a Unix DNS and run without
modification under DNS 1.1 for NT.
DNS 1.1 will support Microsoft Windows NT 3.1 and 3.5, workstation
and server . Initially DNS 1.1 will be available on the Alpha and Intel
platforms. Versions for MIPS and Power PC platforms will be
available third quarter.
DNS 1.1 for NT will be available directly from MetaInfo, Inc. Pricing
will be $400 for a server configured as a Primary DNS. Secondary
DNS servers are free if they are used in conjunction with one licensed
primary server. Reseller and educational pricing are available.
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To contact MetaInfo:
WWW - http://www.metainfo.com
Email - in...@metainfo.com
DNS Specific Information - dns-...@metainfo.com
Address - 700 5th Ave, Suite 5500, Seattle, WA 98104
Phone - (206) 523-0484
DNS 1.1 was developed from code originally ported by Corporate
Computer, Inc., of Seattle, WA.
For additional information regarding DNS 1.1 for Windows NT, please
visit our website.
John Steele
Bobby Rose <blue...@umich.edu> wrote:
>jar...@metainfo.com (Jared Vogt) wrote:
>>DNS 1.1 for NT will be available directly from MetaInfo, Inc. Pricing
>>will be $400 for a server configured as a Primary DNS. Secondary
>>DNS servers are free if they are used in conjunction with one licensed
>>primary server. Reseller and educational pricing are available.
>>-xxx-
>>
>
>was ported. Someone else did all the the real work. See this is what I
>mean with vendors thinking that if you can afford NT then you can afford
>to be pay more-than-its-worth prices for their product. Isn't Bind GNU?
>
> \////
> (O-O)
> Bobby L. Rose_________oOO_(_)_OOo________...@umich.edu
>Computer Consultant II University Hospitals Univ. of Michigan
>
>
These folks are simply using their heads. There is no reasonably priced DNS
for NT right now, the Microsquish Resource Kit version is incomplete (or
broken depending on who your talk to), there are no freeware,
shareware,etc versions yet. Ipso facto, there is a market for a WinNT DNS.
And frankly I think $400.00 is quite resonable (especially if you really need
DNS and need it now!)
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Bobby Rose
>>>will be $400 for a server configured as a Primary DNS. Secondary
>>>DNS servers are free if they are used in conjunction with one licensed
>>>primary server. Reseller and educational pricing are available.
>>>-xxx-
>>>
>>
>>Geez... $400 bucks sounds really freakin' expensive for something that
>>was ported. Someone else did all the the real work. See this is what I
>>mean with vendors thinking that if you can afford NT then you can afford
>>to be pay more-than-its-worth prices for their product. Isn't Bind GNU?
>
>for NT right now, the Microsquish Resource Kit version is incomplete (or
>broken depending on who your talk to), there are no freeware,
>shareware,etc versions yet. Ipso facto, there is a market for a WinNT DNS.
>And frankly I think $400.00 is quite resonable (especially if you really need
>DNS and need it now!)
Yeah right! Not if you create a Unix-type environment on Intel systems which
are cheaper than the larger Alphas and Riscs. Geez...by the time you buy all
the products that you require to really make NT into a real Unix
environment system, you should have just bought a Sun System or IBM AIX.
My suggestion to anyone who needs DNS or anything else that NT can't do "yet
for a reasonable price" is to get Linux from Sunsite or one of its mirrors.
Linux is a FREE Unix OS with all the good stuff of Unix and it all runs on
practically every type Intel processor based machine. It also is constantly
being updated. So take that old 386 setting your closet and throw linux on
it and allow it perform your primary/secondary DNS queries. Lower the demand
for DNS on an NT network so that these idiots will come to there senses.
John Steele
Bobby Rose <blue...@umich.edu> wrote:
>>>>DNS 1.1 for NT will be available directly from MetaInfo, Inc. Pricing
>>>>will be $400 for a server configured as a Primary DNS. Secondary
>>>>DNS servers are free if they are used in conjunction with one licensed
>>>>primary server. Reseller and educational pricing are available.
>>>>-xxx-
>>>>
>>>
>>>Geez... $400 bucks sounds really freakin' expensive for something that
>>>was ported. Someone else did all the the real work. See this is what I
>>>mean with vendors thinking that if you can afford NT then you can afford
>>>to be pay more-than-its-worth prices for their product. Isn't Bind GNU?
>>
>>These folks are simply using their heads. There is no reasonably priced DNS
>>for NT right now, the Microsquish Resource Kit version is incomplete (or
>>broken depending on who your talk to), there are no freeware,
>>shareware,etc versions yet. Ipso facto, there is a market for a WinNT DNS.
>>And frankly I think $400.00 is quite resonable (especially if you really
need
>>DNS and need it now!)
>
>Yeah right! Not if you create a Unix-type environment on Intel systems which
>are cheaper than the larger Alphas and Riscs. Geez...by the time you buy all
>the products that you require to really make NT into a real Unix
>environment system, you should have just bought a Sun System or IBM AIX.
>
>My suggestion to anyone who needs DNS or anything else that NT can't do "yet
Everything you say is true. However, seldom does the price of a product (any
product) refelect the cost to produce it, but rather the value in the
marketplace. As I said, there are right now no free/shareware DNS, the Res Kit
doesn't work, and these guys (claim to) have something that lots of folks
want, and at a reasonable price. If you compare it to the cost to build a
new machine with 8MB or so to do Linux for DNS, $400.00 isn't bad, and if you
are a Windows/Windows NT shop, you don't have to get involved with yet another
OS just to do this one function. All in all, not a bad deal...
Gabriel Ioan
>Yeah right! Not if you create a Unix-type environment on Intel systems which
>are cheaper than the larger Alphas and Riscs. Geez...by the time you buy all
>the products that you require to really make NT into a real Unix
>environment system, you should have just bought a Sun System or IBM AIX.
>My suggestion to anyone who needs DNS or anything else that NT can't do "yet
>for a reasonable price" is to get Linux from Sunsite or one of its mirrors.
>Linux is a FREE Unix OS with all the good stuff of Unix and it all runs on
>practically every type Intel processor based machine. It also is constantly
>being updated. So take that old 386 setting your closet and throw linux on
>it and allow it perform your primary/secondary DNS queries. Lower the demand
>for DNS on an NT network so that these idiots will come to there senses.
Well, I agree that part of this is true. In fact, I am trying to run
Linux for DNS and other UNIX services. NT is not totally up to speed
on this, but I suspect it will get more and more UNIX-like services as
they are needed. Though Linux may be an alternative currently, I have
run into several problems integrating it within a NT network. One
major obstacle to Linux which NT does not have is the difficulty
involved in using it with Token Ring. Any quick solutions? None that
I know of. How about running Linux with FDDI? I'm not holding my
breath...
Hardware incompatibility and lack of vendor support for Linux is one
convincing example why I am sure my company and others would rather
opt for a commercial DNS package versus Linux. There was another
really stupid "problem" I had with Linux--and I've only been using it
for several days now. To test it, I tried to load it on a 386 laptop
that I have. The system boots, and then somehow the Linux
intialization actually sends the signal to the video display to power
off. The system is a PC clone, and it works fine with everything
other than Linux("everything" meaning DOS and Windows programs; I am
not masochistic enough to try and load NT on it). Is it worth playing
with the Linux setup on that system to find out what's going on? Of
course not. Unless you have plenty of time on your hands, the "throw
Linux on an old machine" theory fails. So, the laptop goes back to
its role as a paperweight.
So, when you have a solution that works--NT--why add another OS just
for one service, or even several? NT may not be the answer to
everything, but at least it does have some tech support and official
Microsoft corporate backing and support. I think most would rather
add-on services to NT and stay with the OS they are most familiar
with, instead of introducing another variable into the scenario. To
some extent, this may not hold true in companies where cost is
everything. Even though we are very strict with finances, we have a
good deal of high end hardware for NT. Why? Ease of use,
implementation, scalability, a familiar front-end for users, and a
belief that NT features will continue to improve. The savings in
personnel time alone will pay for the DNS implementation for
NT(assuming it works, unlike MS's version). I suspect many peoply
trying to use Linux in corporate environments will come to these
realizations.
If anyone has had luck with Linux on Token Ring I would appreciate
your views and suggestions.
Gabriel.
Lawrence Altomare
Vogt) wrote:
> For Immediate Release
> Friday, April 28, 1995
>
> MetaInfo, Inc. Announces DNS 1.1 for Windows NT
> The First Full, Standard DNS for NT Workstation and
> Server
>
> Contact:
> Ethan Bell
> MetaInfo, Inc.
>> DNS 1.1 for NT will be available directly from MetaInfo, Inc. Pricing
> To contact MetaInfo:
> WWW - http://www.metainfo.com
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When I tried to visit your website, www.metainfo.com I got the error
message that the server does not have a DNS entry.
I hope this is not a comment about your DNS product!!!
Is there a problem with your web server?
-lawrence
Bobby Rose
>DNS 1.1 for NT will be available directly from MetaInfo, Inc. Pricing
>DNS servers are free if they are used in conjunction with one licensed
>primary server. Reseller and educational pricing are available.
>-xxx-
>
Geez... $400 bucks sounds really freakin' expensive for something that
was ported. Someone else did all the the real work. See this is what I
mean with vendors thinking that if you can afford NT then you can afford
to be pay more-than-its-worth prices for their product. Isn't Bind GNU?
\////
Lawrence Altomare
> When I tried to visit your website, www.metainfo.com I got the error
> message that the server does not have a DNS entry.
>
> I hope this is not a comment about your DNS product!!!
>
> Is there a problem with your web server?
Just to set the record straight, I discovered the problem was with my
service provider. It had nothing to do at your end. I was able to get
the beta copy.
The error message let me to believe the problem was at your sight. It was not.
-lawrence
Frank Nowling
>
>For Immediate Release
>Friday, April 28, 1995
>
>MetaInfo, Inc. Announces DNS 1.1 for Windows NT
>The First Full, Standard DNS for NT Workstation and
>Server
>
Does it have graphical administrative tools? If this is a product for
NT then I should not have to use a text editor to configure it.
I tried it with the ResKit DNS and gave up.
Frank
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Gabriel Ioan
>How about using one NT machine to route to a second adapter (ethernet) which
>is supported by Linux and NT? ( I think this could be done for $100 or so)
I considered this--I have plenty of ethernet cards laying around that
I could have used to turn my workstation into a router. I did not
want to do this though, since I wouldn't want to have our DNS services
be dependent on two machines being active(not to mention the added
load on my system, even if minimal).
>Actually, We were unable to use Linux because IBM's Token II board is not
>supported by the current fix... (I believe that this is being worked on by the
>developers) applying the patch wasn't that hard if that's what you mean...
After playing with the card settings, I did get one of our IBM cards
to work. I had kernel build 1.2.3, so I just opted to get the test
one that had the IBM TR support built in. As soon as I am satisfied
this one works, I'll rebuild a newer one and patch it.
In the meantime, I am also testing the DNS 1.1b for NT. I'll decide
which solution I like better. As for linux on the laptop, I don't
really care. It's not worth my time to solve, and I will just run
Linux on the 466 I have as a test machine.
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>Scott Sutherland University of Iowa
>scott-su...@uiowa.edu
Tom Schaefer
Having heard the Linux and Unix pitches, I see that what really
would make more sense is to contact MicroSoft about getting
a) a better WINS that really does do the job of DNS, perhaps a
WINS/DNS component,
b) Microsoft, take the shareware DNS, fix it and make it part of the
O/S, not a "shareware" product.
I have noticed that the common reaction to software problems is not
to call tech support, but to replace the software or find a
work-around on your own. I guess this is the state of the
industry!
I think that Microsoft would err if they thought that WINS in
its present form would become The Standard for naming services, even
though it is easy to setup and maintain.
As far as Linux not working on the laptop - SO? I have installed it
and seen it run on a variety of machines. That was lame. Put it on
a clone "desktop" and it should work fine. And besides, it sounds
like perhaps the Linux video driver was switching to a "real"
display, and not the laptop.(?????)
Another alternative is to buy a 5-user copy of Novell's Netware
IP. It has a DNS component, and uses flat files like Unix. I did a
contract with the Postal service and they use it for IP gateways on
their WAN.
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Hiang-Swee Chiang
>message that the server does not have a DNS entry.
>I hope this is not a comment about your DNS product!!!
>Is there a problem with your web server?
Well, I did get to the above home page with no problem. Might be it is the
time you are trying when the DNS is not working. May be not 24hrs 7days a
week DNS?? :)
Regards,
Swee
T. Mannino
Our educational institution is at a crossroads in upgrading our two LANS.
We currently have Novell 3.12 and we want to go WAN in our campus (Admin,
HS. Middle School and Elem. School. Do we go Novell 4.1 or Windows NT?
CVSD
Tom Schaefer
Look at the costs. If all you want to do is connect everyone to
print queues and route email, perhaps you really don't need
NT, Novell 3.12 might be cheaper. (leave as is)
However, one of the emerging trends seems to be the peer to peer
concept, and it adds a different dimension to networking.
Microsofts' "Windows Networking" answers the old question " What did
you learn in school today? SHARING. Sharing drives and resources on
a MS network is so much simpler than a Novell LAN, and all of the
routable protocols are now supported, so going with an NT based
solution is a safe bet compared to Novell. Everything you could do
in Novell, you can do in NT, and more.
For one thing, you don't have to deal with that gawd-awful Novell
console in NT. "Escape to Continue". No separate learning curve.
It's almost too easy to run an NT server compared to a Novell
server.
And you don't have to leave Windows to administrate an NT LAN - it's
like a fish in water.