Re: Windows 2003 is a great Workstation
Rick
> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>
> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
No.
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Rick
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"Dust" <du...@dust.internet> wrote:
> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>
> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
Why would I use Windoze when I get things done on my Macintoshes? I
don't feel like being a Microsoft drone.
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Linønut
> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>
> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
It costs a little much to use as a workstation. Even if you wanted to
buy a workstation OS for your business.
180 days is a pretty good amount of time for an evaluation, though.
I think I'll pass.
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ray
$6.00 was more than I was willing to pay - I did sign up for the download.
Peptide One
> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>
> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
>
>
>
Yes, I've given it a spin. That's why I use Linux.
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Bob
The cost is approximately $200-250 per workstation I think.
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> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>
> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
Sounds great!
Where can I download the free iso files?
Like right here:
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chrisv
>Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
Stupid cross-posting troll.
*plonk*
ray
> ray wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:09:38 -0500, Linønutlinønut wrote:
>>
>>> Dust poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>>>
>>>> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>>>>
>>>> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
>>> It costs a little much to use as a workstation. Even if you wanted to
>>> buy a workstation OS for your business.
>>>
>>> 180 days is a pretty good amount of time for an evaluation, though.
>>>
>>> I think I'll pass.
>>
>> $6.00 was more than I was willing to pay - I did sign up for the download.
>
> The cost is approximately $200-250 per workstation I think.
The cost for the 180 day eval copy is $6.00+ (to cover postage and
handling?). That was more than I was willing to pay, so signed up for the
download.
st...@storkyak.com
unlimited CALs and connections, and it's free... or, $100 if I want to
get it in a box. Or, I can start with $1000 for Windows server and
then I need all those CALs to go with it.
Sure, even if Windows Server might be better in some ways than Linux,
but, it is it thousands of dollars better? I don't think so.
st...@storkyak.com
Visual Studio 2005 is a 32 bit product that cross compiles to 64 bit
targets....
Lame.
zekolas
> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>
> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
>
I agree windows 2003 is a very good os, however it cost about $600, for
that I could buy a whole other computer!!!
Don Thornton II
[snip]
> I only cross-posted to groups that rarely get read .. ms-windows.advocacy ?
> Come on ..
Indeed.
Original message was posted by Dust <du...@dust.internet> via
news.rogers.com to the following newsgroups:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy, comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,
comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.unix.advocacy
These are hardly groups that rarely get read, especially by those who
have done research on the operating system mentioned in the original
message. Not even the groups posted for which Microsoft's products are
off-topic.
The original message was cross-posted to newsgroups known to harbor
animosity toward Microsoft operating systems and especially advocacy of
the same. Most of this animosity comes from a great many personal
experiences using (or attempting to use) the product Mr. Dust advocated.
Mr. Dust, I suspect that you're either an employee of Microsoft or an
associate acting directly on Microsoft's behalf. Whether you are or not
is in the end irrelevant, but it's beyond doubt that you are the most
daft Microsoft shill to grace our newsreaders this week. The
*.ms-windows.* groups you posted to are already familiar with this OS
with mixed results, and the other two groups are already familiar with
this OS with decidedly negative results.
You may pass away now, Mr. Dust.
--
Don Thornton II
Support Technician, SDC Internet
http://www.sdc.org/ - don (AT) sdc.org
7
> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>
> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
Trouble is, it still can't beat a knoppix liveCD thats been out for years
on performance.
e.g. I can burn a 4Gb (14,000+ files) from hard disk to DVD, while at the
same time download a 2Gb file to the same hard disk via ethernet
and listen to uniterrupted music on a 750MHz duron!!!
Hundreds of liveCDs out there http://www.livecdlist.com
All open source, free and done up by techies.
Freeride
> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>
> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
Great what can you do with it? :)
Web development with Notepad?
Maybe write a letter to grandma with Wordpad?
Play solitaire?
Check your mail with Outhouse Express?
May edit some pictures with Paint?
Does it come with all the necessary tools to protect you? Antivirus and
antispyware?
Maybe you can point us to the 100's of other applications that we can
download for free? :)
Bob
despise MS. I wanted to try Linux, but the techs here want $250
(!!!!!!!!!!!) to install it. I also need a bigger drive.
Bob
That's pretty damned impressive!
S.Heenan
> 7 wrote:
>> Dust wrote:
>>
>>> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>>>
>>> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
>>
>>
>> Trouble is, it still can't beat a knoppix liveCD thats been out for
>> years on performance.
>> e.g. I can burn a 4Gb (14,000+ files) from hard disk to DVD, while
>> at the same time download a 2Gb file to the same hard disk via
>> ethernet and listen to uniterrupted music on a 750MHz duron!!!
>
Only if you choose to believe the lies of 7, which you have.
Message-ID: <DYIzd.7459$Ar5....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
With a 750MHz PC, 128Mb RAM, I can burn a 4Gb of
files (14,000+ files) to DVD at 4x speed, and
download 2Gb file to that same
hard disk through a 100MHz network card.
The 2Gb file transfer finishes before the 4Gb of files
are burned. And I'm listening to uninterrupted MP3 music
with Mepis.
Message-ID: <lgSEd.8388$GG1....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
With a 750MHz Duron PC, 256Mb RAM, I can burn 4Gb of
files (14,000+ files) to DVD at 4x speed, and
download 2Gb file to that same
hard disk through a 100MHz network card.
The 2Gb file transfer finishes before the 4Gb of files
are burned. And I'm listening to uninterrupted MP3 music
with Mepis / Knoppix etc.
All this using a special "100MHz network card". <snigger>
Ubuntu 5.04, for example, uses exactly 128MB of RAM and 29MB of swap, with
no applications running.
Try it for yourself.
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piracy.
ray
And churn butter and wash the windows, cook dinner and vacuum the house.
ray
> ray wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:50:33 -0700, Bob wrote:
>>
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:09:38 -0500, Linønutlinønut wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dust poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
>>>>> It costs a little much to use as a workstation. Even if you wanted to
>>>>> buy a workstation OS for your business.
>>>>>
>>>>> 180 days is a pretty good amount of time for an evaluation, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I'll pass.
>>>> $6.00 was more than I was willing to pay - I did sign up for the download.
>>> The cost is approximately $200-250 per workstation I think.
>>
>> The cost for the 180 day eval copy is $6.00+ (to cover postage and
>> handling?). That was more than I was willing to pay, so signed up for the
>> download.
>>
> Have fun. I am really enjoying Windows 2000 here, even though I utterly
> despise MS. I wanted to try Linux, but the techs here want $250
> (!!!!!!!!!!!) to install it. I also need a bigger drive.
1) bigger than what? Knoppix recommends about 2gb - 80gb drives are about
$60 now.
2) if you can read you can probably install it yourself. It might take a
little while to get everything set up. If they really knew what they were
doing it could be done for a lot less. I'd do it for you for $25 - you pay
the shipping. I'll have it done in 48 hours.
7
> Bob wrote:
>> 7 wrote:
>>> Dust wrote:
>>>
>>>> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>>>>
>>>> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial
default.mspx
>>>
>>>
>>> Trouble is, it still can't beat a knoppix liveCD thats been out for
>>> years on performance.
>>> e.g. I can burn a 4Gb (14,000+ files) from hard disk to DVD, while
>>> at the same time download a 2Gb file to the same hard disk via
>>> ethernet and listen to uniterrupted music on a 750MHz duron!!!
>>
>> That's pretty damned impressive!
>
>
> Only if you choose to believe the lies of 7, which you have.
Ah! Sheena Gurl! Its you!
IDIOT!!! Windopes can't be trusted.
You can call your lie AFTER you tried it you stoooppiddd windope twaty.
> Message-ID: <DYIzd.7459$Ar5....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> With a 750MHz PC, 128Mb RAM, I can burn a 4Gb of
> files (14,000+ files) to DVD at 4x speed, and
> download 2Gb file to that same
> hard disk through a 100MHz network card.
> The 2Gb file transfer finishes before the 4Gb of files
> are burned. And I'm listening to uninterrupted MP3 music
> with Mepis.
>
> Message-ID: <lgSEd.8388$GG1....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> With a 750MHz Duron PC, 256Mb RAM, I can burn 4Gb of
> files (14,000+ files) to DVD at 4x speed, and
> download 2Gb file to that same
> hard disk through a 100MHz network card.
> The 2Gb file transfer finishes before the 4Gb of files
> are burned. And I'm listening to uninterrupted MP3 music
> with Mepis / Knoppix etc.
>
>
> All this using a special "100MHz network card". <snigger>
>
> Ubuntu 5.04, for example, uses exactly 128MB of RAM and 29MB of swap, with
> no applications running.
>
> Try it for yourself.
BWAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!
Yes you have to try to before you believe it.
Remember, I'm downloading TO THE HD 2Gb in files, AND
reading FROM THE HD 14,000+ different files to write to
DVD FROM SAME HARD DISK AT THE SAME TIME!
AND I'm listening to uninterrupted MP3 music.
<sniff!>
Its all free if you want to try it.. All the liveCDs I used
are here...
http://www.livecdlist.com
Bob
100 mps, no?
>
> Ubuntu 5.04, for example, uses exactly 128MB of RAM and 29MB of swap, with
> no applications running.
>
> Try it for yourself.
>
I think I don't have enough room on this drive, and the local shop
wanted 250!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to install Ubuntu on the box I just redid.
I asked them why and they said, "Installing Linux is not always so
easy". So much for all the Linux guys in here saying what a snap it is.
Bob
What is a live CD?
Kier
<snip>
>>
> I think I don't have enough room on this drive, and the local shop
> wanted 250!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to install Ubuntu on the box I just redid.
> I asked them why and they said, "Installing Linux is not always so
> easy". So much for all the Linux guys in here saying what a snap it is.
It's certainly easier than they're pretending. They're obviously trying to
rip you off.
Why don't you do it yourself? You don't need a lot of room, unless you
plan on having huge video files or something. 15 to 20 gigs is perfectly
adequate if what you want to do is try it out. And Ubuntu is quite easy. I
just installed it to my old laptop, which only has a 20 gig drive. Went
very smoothly.
Then go to www.ubuntuguide.org, where you will find a good, if unofficial
guide to using and configuring Ubuntu. Though it refers to 5.04 Hoary
Hedgehog, it should be little different if you've got the latest version
instead.
Though I haven't had the opportunity to use it much yet - I just finished
installing before going to work, and haven't been home very long - it
seems to go quite well on this laptop, which is certainly not fast or new
- a 950mhz Athlon with only 256 MB or ram and a fairly poor video card. On
a more modern machine it would be excellent, I think.
(Fup2COLA)
--
Kier
Kier
<snip>
>
> What is a live CD?
Okay, assuming this is a genuine question, and not some silly attempt at
trolling - a Live CD is basically a Linux operating system contained
entirely on a CD (or occasionally DVD). The file system, software,
kernel, etc are all compressed into in iso which you can download, burn
and boot up on any computer.
The underlying system will not be touched. Usually, the Live CD will
detect any partitions on the machine, which you can then acess, and
depending on the type of file system they use, you may be able to write to
them without difficulty or damage. NTFS is usually read-only, though thre
are some utilities which can write to it, though not wholly reliably yet.
FAT32 is fine, as is any Linux file system.
A good Live CD will detect and configure your hardware automatically.
Probably the best known is the mighty Knoppix, which is Debian-based, and
has many variants, but there are lots of others. Google for Gnoppix, Slax,
ELive, fir instance, or go to www.distrowatch.com and www.frozentech.com
or http://www.livecdlist.com as 7 suggested (he's mad, but don't hold that
against him; he loves Live CDs).
Live CDs are a good way for a novice to try Linux without committing
themselves to an installation. Thoug a Live CD may not run at the speed of
an installed OS, on any reasonably up-to-date machine it should be quite
usable. Small Live CDs like Slax, Feather, or Damn Small Linux will run
very well even on lower end hardware, and can often be copied entirely
into RAM, thus freeing the CD drive for other uses and making the distro
run faster, too.
Another advantage is that you can carry your distro with you - just keep a
thumb drive handy for files, and you've got a Linux distro on the move,
wherever you go.
Hope that helps.
(Fup2COLA)
--
Kier
ray
> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>
> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
I've downloaded the trial iso - but before I get started, can you tell me
if this is going to install on whatever partition I want, and if so, do I
have to create the partition first? With most Linux distros you can do
that during the install.
Arkady Duntov
(<dhkgv0$8fm$1...@pita.alt.net>) wrote:
> I think I don't have enough room on this drive, and the local shop
> wanted 250!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to install Ubuntu on the box I just redid.
They might have thought you were a Windows user. Windows users are gullible
enough to pay for deactivated-software licenses, subscriptions to
anti-virus and anti-spyware software, and sometimes even hundreds of
dollars for on-site disinfection of disease-ridden systems.
> I asked them why and they said, "Installing Linux is not always so
> easy".
They definitely thought you were a Windows user. Windows users are usually
ignorant of how easy it is to install Linux, especially Ubuntu.
> So much for all the Linux guys in here saying what a snap it is.
You definitely are a Windows user. Windows users are always deceived by con
artists trying to defraud them, as I wrote in the first paragraph.
wd10
> I think I don't have enough room on this drive, and the local shop
> wanted 250!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to install Ubuntu on the box I just redid.
> I asked them why and they said, "Installing Linux is not always so
> easy". So much for all the Linux guys in here saying what a snap it is.
Are you saying that someone wanted $250 to install Ubuntu for you?
wd10
>> BWAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!
>> Yes you have to try to before you believe it.
>>
>> Remember, I'm downloading TO THE HD 2Gb in files, AND
>> reading FROM THE HD 14,000+ different files to write to
>> DVD FROM SAME HARD DISK AT THE SAME TIME!
>> AND I'm listening to uninterrupted MP3 music.
>> <sniff!>
>> Its all free if you want to try it.. All the liveCDs I used
>> are here...
>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>
> What is a live CD?
It's Linux that runs from your CD or DVD drive and doesn't change your
hard drive at all. Once your turn off the computer and take the live CD
out, your computer goes back to the way it was before (Windows, or Linux,
or whatever it was).
Try either SLAX or Knoppix. SLAX looks better, but Knoppix has more
software on it.
SLAX:
http://slax.linux-live.org/
Knoppix:
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
(note: there is a CD version and also a huge DVD version)
You can't just copy the downloaded ISO file to CD. You have to write the
disk image to the disk.
Instructions are here:
http://members.home.nl/lsnoek/iso.htm
If you are using Windows, this is a free program that will write a live CD
ISO file to disk so that you can use the Linux live CD:
http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
If you have any questions about getting the live CD to work, just ask...
wd10
> Have fun. I am really enjoying Windows 2000 here, even though I utterly
> despise MS. I wanted to try Linux, but the techs here want $250
> (!!!!!!!!!!!) to install it. I also need a bigger drive.
That is ridiculous. Don't ever go back to that store. They are
highly dishonest. Installing Linux is very simple. Just download an
Ubuntu CD. Put it in the drive. Boot from the drive and answer a few
questions and it is installed. If you want to make sure that it will
work with your computer, you can download an Ubuntu live CD to try first
(runs Linux without installing anything).
wd10
> Have fun. I am really enjoying Windows 2000 here, even though I utterly
> despise MS. I wanted to try Linux, but the techs here want $250
> (!!!!!!!!!!!) to install it. I also need a bigger drive.
One other thing you could try is to search Google for:
"linux user group [name of your town]"
Contact the users group and someone would probably be willing to help you
for free.
Bob
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:12:38 -0700, Bob wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:50:33 -0700, Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:09:38 -0500, Linønutlinønut wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dust poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
>>>>>> It costs a little much to use as a workstation. Even if you wanted to
>>>>>> buy a workstation OS for your business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 180 days is a pretty good amount of time for an evaluation, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I'll pass.
>>>>> $6.00 was more than I was willing to pay - I did sign up for the download.
>>>> The cost is approximately $200-250 per workstation I think.
>>> The cost for the 180 day eval copy is $6.00+ (to cover postage and
>>> handling?). That was more than I was willing to pay, so signed up for the
>>> download.
>>>
>> Have fun. I am really enjoying Windows 2000 here, even though I utterly
>> despise MS. I wanted to try Linux, but the techs here want $250
>> (!!!!!!!!!!!) to install it. I also need a bigger drive.
>
> 1) bigger than what? Knoppix recommends about 2gb
This 15 GB drive is rather occupied with Win 2000 stuff.
- 80gb drives are about
> $60 now.
That's correct. I just spent $400 to upgrade this system and I did not
upgrade the drive. The $60 drive will add $30 at least to put it on,
mirror the old one, partition the new one, bla bla. I will pay the shop
to do all of that.
Anyway, I don't have $90 to spend on that now, as my income is
~$10,000/yr. I am on disability.
>
> 2) if you can read you can probably install it yourself.
Ahhhh! So that is why the shop charges $250 to do it! LOL.
It might take a
> little while to get everything set up.
I want to put on one of those automatic ones that looks like Windows
where the whole install is as automated as Windows.
If they really knew what they were
> doing it could be done for a lot less.
They do! They run it 24-7 as a server on their ISP, plus they run it
internally on their network, plus they administer a number of Linux
boxes and networks in this region. This is a poor rural area that is the
last to adopt anything. These guys have zero competition for installing
Linux. The other shop, 30 miles away, will charge like $50-75, but there
is a 5-8 day turnaround!!!!!!!! period. Those are about the only 2
places that will put Linux on for you, and I don't know anyone who runs
it. You need to understand rural economies in the US.
I'd do it for you for $25 - you pay
> the shipping. I'll have it done in 48 hours.
Hmmmm, where are you? How are you going to do it if you can't get here?
Over the phone?
Aquila Deus
> In article <KeqdnRTXkPW...@rogers.com>,
> "Dust" <du...@dust.internet> wrote:
>
> > Windows 2003 Server makes a great workstation, let alone a server.
> >
> > Robust, configurable, fun, easy to use and flexible. Give it s spin:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/default.mspx
>
> don't feel like being a Microsoft drone.
you damned Apple drone!
Blood Money
floppy drive. My Linux box doesn't even blink.
Bob
Sure. And they get it all the time too, all the time. Their business
clients fork it over. They are the only outfit in a small rural town.
Bob
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:12:38 -0700, Bob wrote:
>
>> Have fun. I am really enjoying Windows 2000 here, even though I utterly
>> despise MS. I wanted to try Linux, but the techs here want $250
>> (!!!!!!!!!!!) to install it. I also need a bigger drive.
>
> That is ridiculous. Don't ever go back to that store. They are
> highly dishonest.
It's a small rural town and they get it all the time. A number of the
local businesses here run Linux, and they paid these guys to put it on.
Installing Linux is very simple. Just download an
> Ubuntu CD. Put it in the drive. Boot from the drive and answer a few
> questions and it is installed. If you want to make sure that it will
> work with your computer, you can download an Ubuntu live CD to try first
> (runs Linux without installing anything).
Hmmmmm.
Bob
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:12:38 -0700, Bob wrote:
>
>> Have fun. I am really enjoying Windows 2000 here, even though I utterly
>> despise MS. I wanted to try Linux, but the techs here want $250
>> (!!!!!!!!!!!) to install it. I also need a bigger drive.
>
> One other thing you could try is to search Google for:
> "linux user group [name of your town]"
It's a small town of 15,000 in the Sierra Nevada Mts. However, Fresno is
nearly (440,000 pop.)
>
> Contact the users group and someone would probably be willing to help you
> for free.
Thx for advice. I may try LUG Fresno.
wd10
> wd10 wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:17:26 -0700, Bob wrote:
>>
>>> I think I don't have enough room on this drive, and the local shop
>>> wanted 250!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to install Ubuntu on the box I just redid.
>>> I asked them why and they said, "Installing Linux is not always so
>>> easy". So much for all the Linux guys in here saying what a snap it is.
>>
>>
>> Are you saying that someone wanted $250 to install Ubuntu for you?
>
> Sure. And they get it all the time too, all the time. Their business
> clients fork it over. They are the only outfit in a small rural town.
That's the kind of job I need. Just 3 or 4 Ubuntu installations per day ;)
I couldn't feel right charging $250 to install Ubuntu. It's like charging
someone $250 to reinstall their windows XP with the factory disk. That's
how easy it is. If they want to test for hardware or complications they
can just put a live Ubuntu CD in the drive and boot from that first.
I guess everyone needs to make a living. I wonder if that price
discourages people from trying Linux. It perpetuates the myth that Linux
is hard to install.
Kier
> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:14:40 -0700, Bob wrote:
>
>> wd10 wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:17:26 -0700, Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I don't have enough room on this drive, and the local shop
>>>> wanted 250!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to install Ubuntu on the box I just redid.
>>>> I asked them why and they said, "Installing Linux is not always so
>>>> easy". So much for all the Linux guys in here saying what a snap it is.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you saying that someone wanted $250 to install Ubuntu for you?
>>
>> Sure. And they get it all the time too, all the time. Their business
>> clients fork it over. They are the only outfit in a small rural town.
>
> That's the kind of job I need. Just 3 or 4 Ubuntu installations per day ;)
>
> I couldn't feel right charging $250 to install Ubuntu. It's like charging
> someone $250 to reinstall their windows XP with the factory disk. That's
> how easy it is. If they want to test for hardware or complications they
> can just put a live Ubuntu CD in the drive and boot from that first.
Thrity or forty dollars would be a more realistic charge, IMO, covering
installation and setup time, with perhaps extra charges if the hardware
proves tricky or some other problems occur.
> I guess everyone needs to make a living. I wonder if that price
> discourages people from trying Linux. It perpetuates the myth that
> Linux is hard to install.
I'd agree there. It's an insane price. Especially for Ubuntu, which is
pretty easy to install. If they lowered it, maybe more users would think
about giving it a try. It's not difficult to set up a dual boot on most
machines, either.
(Fup2COLA)
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Kier
Bit of Snow
<snip>
> I think I don't have enough room on this drive, and the local shop
> wanted 250!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to install Ubuntu on the box I just redid.
> I asked them why and they said, "Installing Linux is not always so
> easy". So much for all the Linux guys in here saying what a snap it is.
What 250?
Years, peanuts, GB ?
Something monetary, yes that would be monetary.
Why not something else, 50 something for installation and 300 something for
something else.
That makes same amount 300-50=250, 300+50=350 must be wrong as it doesn't
fit previous idea that 250 is rip off.
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Snowman
Bob
It just did it to me!
It perpetuates the myth that Linux
> is hard to install.
That's what they told me. They also advised me to put it on myself and
discouraged me from the $250 install. That's just for biz customers really.
ray
Having downloaded the trial iso - I found enough time today to play with
it a bit. First disappointment - it does not want to install to an
extended partition -requires a primary - one point for linux. The install
took a LONG time didn't time it, but I think it was over an hour - I've
done quicker Linux installs - two points for linux. The install also
required two reboots - three points for linux. No software to speak of so
I immediately installed mozilla and openoffice - four points for linux.
It, of course, screwed up the multi-boot I had set up for three linux
distros, requiring a reboot into a live CD to fix it - five points for
linux. It required MS 'activation' - six points for linux. I will admit it
seems to boot up pretty quickly - back to five points for linux. Linux 6
win2k3 1. I'll let you know how things shape up as I find time to fiddle a
bit more.
ray
Install the printer: now to installing my Brother Laser printer. This was
an easy exercise with Linux - plug the sucker in and install it. Win2K3,
of course, wants the install CD - which I don't have a clue in the world
where it is. So, download from the Brother web site and do the install.
Linux would get a point here, too - except - it took me a couple of days
to figure out why I could not print from the other Linux machines on the
computer. Don't know if this is a Debian problem or just Ubuntu, but I had
to edit the cups configuration file - and it took a little while on the
Ubuntu page to find the article telling what changes to make. To Linux
credit, once I got that figured out, the printer automagically appeared on
the other Linux nodes, ready to print - cups is great when you finally get
it configured. Printing I'll reluctantly call a draw - so the score is
still:
Linux 6
Win2K3 1