TCP/IP over USB question
Igor Lerner
Could anyone tell me whether there is such thing as TCP/IP over USB under
any of MS Windows?
I'm going to develop some device which will communicate with a PC by TCP/IP
and it would be
nice if there were a way to implement TCP/IP over USB.
Please send your replies to:
A lot of thanks in advance,
Igor
Michael Hohner
> Could anyone tell me whether there is such thing as TCP/IP over USB under
> any of MS Windows?
USB is not a network (like Ethernet), it's a peripheral bus. There's
no such thing as "TCP/IP over USB" like there's no "TCP/IP over ISA
bus".
Michael Hohner (m dot hohner at kaneff dot de)
Ing.-Buero Dr. Kaneff
Nuernberg, Germany
Dan Kegel
>
> On Sun, 6 Sep 3900 12:23:03, "Igor Lerner" <ig...@vs.co.il> wrote:
>
> > Could anyone tell me whether there is such thing as TCP/IP over USB under
> > any of MS Windows?
>
> USB is not a network (like Ethernet), it's a peripheral bus. There's
> no such thing as "TCP/IP over USB" like there's no "TCP/IP over ISA
> bus".
Ah, but there is. There are a number of "TCP/IP over VME bus",
"TCP/IP over PCI bus", ... implementations.
It's not unreasonable to expect that there might also be a way
of doing TCP/IP over USB. Nevertheless, it's probably not
what the original poster wanted... he probably just wanted
to hook up an Ethernet card to his USB port.
- Dan
Lon Stowell
Michael Hohner <wa...@no.spam> wrote:
>On Sun, 6 Sep 3900 12:23:03, "Igor Lerner" <ig...@vs.co.il> wrote:
>
>> Could anyone tell me whether there is such thing as TCP/IP over USB under
>> any of MS Windows?
>
>USB is not a network (like Ethernet), it's a peripheral bus. There's
>no such thing as "TCP/IP over USB" like there's no "TCP/IP over ISA
>bus".
Interesting, but incorrect answer. TCP/IP doesn't care
WHAT media layer it runs on. It has indeed been done
over ISA, EISA, PCI, SCI, HyperChannel, ESCON, USB,
and many backpanel bus's. Check out the Siemens RM1000
system which ran TCP/IP suite internally over the
transputer based internal bus. Netbios has been run
over PC bus for years, Cubix for one.
Eric Gisin
always master, and can only talk to slave periphs, never another host. There
are USB network cables with a processor that connect two hosts, though.
"Dan Kegel" <da...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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: Ah, but there is. There are a number of "TCP/IP over VME bus",
Dr. Tu Yu
Anypoint USB adapters. Like Lon says TCP/IP cares that the bits are
transferred between host machines and not the media on which it travels,
otherwise there we wouldn't have modem, wireless or cable access to the
internet.
"Lon Stowell" <lsto...@triton.dnai.com> wrote in message
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megan
USB is not working for you I would suggest punching Bill Gates in the
nose... that or trying to mess with drivers & such. Perferably both.
Blake McCraw
but from an OSI point of view, I believe that you can say that there is
TCP/IP over USB as well as over ISA. Both of the aforementioned
technologies signal in such a way that they fit the OSI layer one and
two model, no?
USB: Alot of the cable internet providors are supplying USB cable
modems, so strictly speaking (from an OSI point of view), the IP packets
are being transmitted through the USB cable into the pc. TCP over USB.
ISA: NIC cards have to get the packets from their transceivers into the
bus of the pc and over to the cpu to be processed, so again this is "IP
over ISA"
All of the above does not address the initial question of "is there TCP
over USB for Windows". I would have to answer NO at this point, but
not because of a limitation of USB. Someone with a lot of spare time
could theoretically program a layer 1 type of interface to transmit
packets over a USB bus to another pc.
Just being argumentative on a Friday
Blake
Russell Nelson
> not because of a limitation of USB. Someone with a lot of spare time
> could theoretically program a layer 1 type of interface to transmit
> packets over a USB bus to another pc.
Being done, so that the Compaq iPAQ running Linux can talk TCP/IP over
the USB bus (I love being redundant makes me happy) to a host computer
running Linux. Sorry about you windows folks. Much be tough, using a
closed-source operating system. Hehe.
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Eric Gisin
and if there were host controllers can't talk to each other (by design).
"Russell Nelson" <nel...@crynwr.com> wrote in message
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:
: Being done, so that the Compaq iPAQ running Linux can talk TCP/IP over
:
Russell Nelson
> "Russell Nelson" <nel...@crynwr.com> wrote in message
> :
> : Being done, so that the Compaq iPAQ running Linux can talk TCP/IP over
> : the USB bus (I love being redundant makes me happy) to a host computer
> : running Linux. Sorry about you windows folks. Much be tough, using a
> : closed-source operating system. Hehe.
>
> What does it use the connect the two hosts? There are no null modem cables,
> and if there were host controllers can't talk to each other (by design).
Oh, sigh, I don't mean to confuse people. This is the iPAQ 3600. The
handheld. It's a USB client (yeah, sure it is, with a 200 Mhz
processor, 32MB RAM, and 16MB flash). It'll talk nicely to a desktop
without any additional hardware.
Russell Nelson
> If Linux users were as open source as their system is there'd be a lot less
> 'my OS is better than yours'.
The advantages of Windows are obvious. The advantages of Linux need
to be pointed out.
SuperGumby
windows to do this several months ago.
If Linux users were as open source as their system is there'd be a lot less
'my OS is better than yours'.
>: Being done, so that the Compaq iPAQ running Linux can talk TCP/IP over
Eric Gisin
allow to host adaptors to interface.
"SuperGumby" <tick...@spam.com> wrote in message
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: must be real tough, seeing as I saw a USB-USB patch cable which allows
:
Alun Jones
Russ, SG, please take this argument to the advocacy groups where it belongs.
Russ, I'm surprised at you - I thought you were better than that.
Alun.
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What are they? Aside from "broad support" I don't see any.
>The advantages of Linux need
>to be pointed out.
I thought _they_ were obvious.
This response is sincere; but it doesn't need answering really.
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