Windows 95 PPP over Direct Connection (serial cable instead of modem and phone line)
Michael J. Weiss
Instead of using a modem (he doesn't have one anyway), we would like to
make use of the 19200 baud serial connections that are provided in each
room of his dormitory at Binghamton University.
I believe the wall is an RJ45 jack and that the connection is made with a
standard RJ45 to 25 pin serial cable, which we have plugged into COM1. We
have successfully connected to the terminal server on the other end using
various modem programs (they either support direct serial connection, or
we just don't tell them to dial and they start reading and writing to the
serial port.)
Basically, we need to do a pretty standard PPP setup, however instead of
choosing a modem from the dialog box in Windows 95's PPP setup, we need to
configure it so that it does not require there to be a modem involved
before it will start sending and receiving data on COM1.
Ideally, I would like to get the Windows 95 PPP to work, since it is
integrated with the OS and requires no extra software. If this is
absolutely not possible, does anyone know of another way I can pursue
this? (preferably without spending a substantial amount of money?)
Thanks so much for your help.
Sincerely,
Michael Weiss
William Walker
non-standard. Make sure thats correct. Normaly RJ45 jacks are reserved for
10baseT although they could be used for other means.
Second. Your out of luck. Win95 does not support direct slip/ppp. Microsoft
has not indicated they ever intend to. Keep a close eye on this news group
as individuals are attempting to correct this oversight.
Zon
Richard Charles Graves
ste...@direct.ca (stevev) writes:
>
>I have a 95 machine with a DEC Etherworks 3 Ethernet interface card
>installed. It is connected via thinwire BNC connector. If you get a
>card with a RJ-45 connector like the Intel Etherexpress 16 TP then
>it should work. I can use PPP built into Win95 to access systems on a
>LAN and WAN no problem. I also can maintain a dial-up PPP connection
>at the same time. So as far as I can see Win95 does support a direct
>PPP connection via a installed Ethernet card.
This really hurt my brain. I mean a lot.
The question concerned a direct serial connection to a TIP -- not through
a modem, not using the AT command set, and not, good golly Miss Molly,
through an Ethernet card. The question was whether this configuration
could be made to work. The only answer to this question so far has been
"no." I would be surprised if this were the case, but I will accept it if
there are no other answers.
Now, does anyone have an alternative answer to this question?
- -rich
moderator of the win95netbugs list
http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~llurch/win95netbugs/faq.html
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stevev
>Thus wrote "Michael J. Weiss" <m...@pobox.com>
>>My brother is running Windows 95 and I am trying to set him up with
>PPP.
>>Instead of using a modem (he doesn't have one anyway), we would like to
>>make use of the 19200 baud serial connections that are provided in each
>>room of his dormitory at Binghamton University.
>>
>>I believe the wall is an RJ45 jack and that the connection is made with
>a
>>standard RJ45 to 25 pin serial cable, which we have plugged into COM1.
>We
>First. If your connecting to a RJ45 jack (8 pins) for serial thats rather
>non-standard. Make sure thats correct. Normaly RJ45 jacks are reserved for
>10baseT although they could be used for other means.
>Second. Your out of luck. Win95 does not support direct slip/ppp. Microsoft
>has not indicated they ever intend to. Keep a close eye on this news group
>as individuals are attempting to correct this oversight.
>
>
I have a 95 machine with a DEC Etherworks 3 Ethernet interface card
installed. It is connected via thinwire BNC connector. If you get a
card with a RJ-45 connector like the Intel Etherexpress 16 TP then
it should work. I can use PPP built into Win95 to access systems on a
LAN and WAN no problem. I also can maintain a dial-up PPP connection
at the same time. So as far as I can see Win95 does support a direct
PPP connection via a installed Ethernet card.
-sv
gut...@miu.edu
I can tell you that Trumpet winsock easily supports this,
I am not familiar if/how it interacts with windows-95,
but would assume it can work there.
William Walker
>BWA...@INHUF.ANG.AF.MIL (William Walker) wrote:
>
>>
>I have a 95 machine with a DEC Etherworks 3 Ethernet interface card
>installed. It is connected via thinwire BNC connector. If you get a
>card with a RJ-45 connector like the Intel Etherexpress 16 TP then
>it should work. I can use PPP built into Win95 to access systems on a
>LAN and WAN no problem. I also can maintain a dial-up PPP connection
>at the same time. So as far as I can see Win95 does support a direct
>PPP connection via a installed Ethernet card.
>-sv
>
You don't do PPP or Slip via an ethernet card.
David Heinbuch
>
>In article <NEWTNews.815244...@csgrg.miu.edu>, gut...@miu.edu
writ
>es:
>>
>> I can tell you that Trumpet winsock easily supports this,
>> I am not familiar if/how it interacts with windows-95,
>> but would assume it can work there.
>
connectio
>n, enabling you to run email, news, telnet, etc. but this is a 16bit solution.
H
>as anybody solved this problem using the W95 32bit winsock and if so how??
>
>Jon Adsetts
>
>
Yes there is a way to use Win95's winsock with a serial port direct connection.
You can use Slip, CSlip, PPP or whatever protocol you have a driver for. THe
trick is to use a driver that makes Win95 recognize the direct connection as a
type of modem. Check out http://www.vt.edu:10021/K/kewells/net/
--
David Heinbuch
dhei...@vt.edu
5023 W. Pritchard Hall
Blacksburg, VA 24060
(540)232-3579
http://www.vt.edu:10021/D/dheinbuc/
Jonathan Adsetts
>
> I can tell you that Trumpet winsock easily supports this,
> I am not familiar if/how it interacts with windows-95,
> but would assume it can work there.
Trumpet does in fact do the trick when talking to a serial port direct connection, enabling you to run email, news, telnet, etc. but this is a 16bit solution. Has anybody solved this problem using the W95 32bit winsock and if so how??
Jon Adsetts
Chris Langston
Thanks.
--
Chris Langston
cla...@iastate.edu
Iowa State University
WWW homepage: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~clangst/homepage.html
Dan Bryant,,,
*THIS IS NOT A MODEM W/ WIN95*
I have a direct serial link that I'm running ppp over. Win95 Dial-Up
Netwoking (DUN) does not have the option to send the signals directly to a
com port. It must recognize a modem there, although HyperTerminal will
let you send anything down a com port (w/o a modem on it). Does anyone
know of a driver that could convince Win95 that my com port has a modem on
it, and not dial, or modulate, or any of that modem stuff? HyperTerminal
is "Connect Using" Direct to Com 2. Can I convince Dial-Up Network to do
the same???. If all of this is just a pipe dream, is there any version of
Trumpet, or other winsock program (Chameleon) that can handle Netscape 2.0
for Win95.
HELP Help help!!! (I hear Win95 has no intention of addressing this in
the future).
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Dan Bryant,,,
George E. Cercone
The inf file at this home page will do it.
It works currently at any speed upto 19,200.
I've talked to the auther and he is looking to hack it to do 115200, but for
them moment...
This will give you full 32bit access, jump up and down cheer shout.
Now the big question is, why couldn't microsoft have just done this in the
first place.
-- Thank you Kev for this fix. Hope to hear from you soon on the speed
update. I'll hack at it as well now that I know how it is setup.
Take it easy
-Thumper
Andres Grino Brandt
>BWA...@INHUF.ANG.AF.MIL (William Walker) wrote:
>
>>Thus wrote "Michael J. Weiss" <m...@pobox.com>
>>>My brother is running Windows 95 and I am trying to set him up with
>>PPP.
>>>Instead of using a modem (he doesn't have one anyway), we would like to
>>>make use of the 19200 baud serial connections that are provided in each
>>>room of his dormitory at Binghamton University.
>>>
>>>I believe the wall is an RJ45 jack and that the connection is made with
>>a
>>>standard RJ45 to 25 pin serial cable, which we have plugged into COM1.
>>We
>
>>First. If your connecting to a RJ45 jack (8 pins) for serial thats rather
>>non-standard. Make sure thats correct. Normaly RJ45 jacks are reserved for
>>10baseT although they could be used for other means.
>>Second. Your out of luck. Win95 does not support direct slip/ppp. Microsoft
>>has not indicated they ever intend to. Keep a close eye on this news group
>>as individuals are attempting to correct this oversight.
>>
>>
>installed. It is connected via thinwire BNC connector. If you get a
>card with a RJ-45 connector like the Intel Etherexpress 16 TP then
>it should work. I can use PPP built into Win95 to access systems on a
>LAN and WAN no problem. I also can maintain a dial-up PPP connection
>at the same time. So as far as I can see Win95 does support a direct
>PPP connection via a installed Ethernet card.
You can have TCP/IP over Ethernet card.
You can have TCP/IP over dial-up lines (using SLIP, CSLIP or PPP).
You can't have TCP/IP over dedicated lines. That's what they are talking
about.
The SLIP/CSLIP/PPP connection requieres a modem to dial-out; Win95 have
no provision for a null-modem, so you can't use a direct cable connection.
Yours
--
Andres Grino Brandt Casilla 14801
agr...@bcentral.cl Santiago 21 - Chile
* Ley Grino de la Economia: Todo tiene su costo, y alguien tiene que pagarlo *
* Everything has a cost and someone must pay for it *
Joe Spears
>I have the exact same problem.
>Someone told me do dial a "," as the phone number, but hte
>dialer still waits for the OK and CONNECT from the modem.
>It looks like Microsoft REALLY didn't want anyone using the
>Internet instead of the "MSN Internet?!?".
How does a lack of a null-modem serial cable connection to the
internet limit someone to MSN Internet? You may have a serious
complain with MSN, but this thread is unrelated......
I've been using Win95 directly connected to our NT Server/WFW LAN with
a Cisco router connection to the internet with no problems whatsoever.
Then I take my portable home (or in the field), and either use Dial-up
Networking to call my RAS server at the office and access the internet
from there. Or I can call my ISP directly (where I maintain a
fixed-fee account), also with Dial-up Networking.
Joe
Antonis Kavarnos
>I have the exact same problem.
>Someone told me do dial a "," as the phone number, but hte
>dialer still waits for the OK and CONNECT from the modem.
>It looks like Microsoft REALLY didn't want anyone using the
>Internet instead of the "MSN Internet?!?".
Me too. I'd like to connect my Win95 PC to a linux gateway with a small serial
cable. Not a chance, as I can see. I have even built a small script to 'cheat'.
This script replies with "OK" to each AT* input line :-). In case of ATDP
it replies CONNECT 115200 and runs the PPP server. Again, I failed. Win95
detects the DTR signal :-( and reports that "Remote hang up".
Maybe I'll try the call_out device in the Linux box...
Please, if anyone knows about a trick...
Antonis
Arturo Salazar
says...
=
=Jason Taylor <ja...@magnet.ca= writes:
=
==I have the exact same problem.
==Someone told me do dial a "," as the phone number, but hte
==dialer still waits for the OK and CONNECT from the modem.
=
==It looks like Microsoft REALLY didn't want anyone using the
==Internet instead of the "MSN Internet?!?".
=
=Me too. I'd like to connect my Win95 PC to a linux gateway with a small
serial
=cable. Not a chance, as I can see. I have even built a small script to
'cheat'.
=This script replies with "OK" to each AT* input line :-). In case of ATDP
=it replies CONNECT 115200 and runs the PPP server. Again, I failed. Win95
=detects the DTR signal :-( and reports that "Remote hang up".
=Maybe I'll try the call_out device in the Linux box...
=
=Please, if anyone knows about a trick...
=
=Antonis
Sounds to me like you're almost there. Fix your harware cable so that DTR is
always on, or better yet, dependent on the LINUX box.
Arturo
Michael Rickard
says...
>
>
>
I think somebody does, this may not be quite what you want, but have a look at
http://www.vt.edu:10021/K/kewells/net/
this describes a technique where the modem definition is tweaked so it runs
without one.
Hope this helps
Mike