Back to Breaking the Law!

[Justin]

Boy, did I have a busy semester! Once again I helped four classes get
their books for free with NON-DRM PDFs. Each class had about 15
students,
undergrads and graduate.
Here's a rundown of how much money I saved each class for this year:

Fundamentals of Financial Management 13th Edition (where's the 14th?)
ISBN-10: 0538482125

New: $218.49 x 30 = $6,554.70
Used: $149.98 x 30 = $4,499.40
Kindle: $216.00 x 30 = $6,480.00


Federal Taxation 2013 Corporations, Partnerships, Estates & Trusts
ISBN-10: 0133055434

New: $221.01 x 30 = $6,630.30
Used: $122.00 x 30 = $3,660.00
Kindle: $108.75 x 30 = $3,262.50


WOW! that has to be some sort of record!
Let's see how much in federal taxes I cost the (US) government.
Cengage Learning in 2012
Net Income: $24.9 million
Tax rate: 35%
New: $6,554.70 x .35 = $2,294.15
Used: $4,499.40 x .35 = $1,574.79
Kindle: $6,480.00 x .35 = $2,268.00

I got tired of looking for Prentice Hall's NI, so I'll just assume it is
similar to Cengage. They're owned by a British company called Pearson.
Anyway, here it is!

New: $6,630.30 x .35 = $2,320.61
Used: $3,660.00 x .35 = $1,281.00
Kindle: $3,262.00 x .35 = $1,141.70

Total: New: $4,614.76
Used: $2,855.79
Kindle: $3,409.70

So, what do you think?
How does the above make you feel?
Is it stealing?
Does the lost tax revenue due to my activities mean I am stealing from the
federal government? If so, would that mean I committed an act of treason?

[flatfish+++]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 23:24:31 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

> Boy, did I have a busy semester! Once again I helped four classes get
> their books for free with NON-DRM PDFs. Each class had about 15
> students,
> undergrads and graduate.
> Here's a rundown of how much money I saved each class for this year:

Typical starry eyed, thieving FOSSie...

What is it with Linux users and FOSSies believing that just because
they can steal something from an "evil" corporation that makes it
alright?

What a collection of slimeballs.

Oh and "Justin" who seems to always appear about the same time as
another loser FOSSie, when you get out of school and have a real job,
you will see things differently.

Hopefully you get to see others doing to you as you have done to
them.
It will be the best lesson you have ever learned.

--
flatfish+++
PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

[Justin]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 19:37:11 -0400, flatfish+++ wrote:

> On Tue, 14 May 2013 23:24:31 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
>
>> Boy, did I have a busy semester! Once again I helped four classes get
>> their books for free with NON-DRM PDFs. Each class had about 15
>> students,
>> undergrads and graduate.
>> Here's a rundown of how much money I saved each class for this year:
>
> Typical starry eyed, thieving FOSSie...

Actually I'm worse than a FOSSie... I'm a Maccie! Oh noes!

>
> What is it with Linux users and FOSSies believing that just because they
> can steal something from an "evil" corporation that makes it alright?

So only "evil" corporations are allowed to commit crimes? When the
government doesn't take action, others must step up to the plate in
whatever way they can.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?" -Ronald Reagan

I believe in the free market. Which means I don't believe in price
fixing, collusion or gauging.

>
> What a collection of slimeballs.
>
> Oh and "Justin" who seems to always appear about the same time as
> another loser FOSSie, when you get out of school and have a real job,
> you will see things differently.

After my second masters I'm pretty much done with school. However I like
to study for the CPA at the library. As an alum to three universities I'm
allowed to use their facilities.

>
> Hopefully you get to see others doing to you as you have done to them.
> It will be the best lesson you have ever learned.

If I'm ever in a position to price fix and gauge customers, I probably
won't care.

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 00:15:55 +0000, Lewis wrote:

> In message <6mslf8lov53l$.r1sj4cok...@40tude.net>

> flatfish+++ <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 May 2013 23:24:31 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
>
>>> Boy, did I have a busy semester! Once again I helped four classes get
>>> their books for free with NON-DRM PDFs. Each class had about 15
>>> students,
>>> undergrads and graduate.
>>> Here's a rundown of how much money I saved each class for this year:
>
>> Typical starry eyed, thieving FOSSie...
>
>> What is it with Linux users and FOSSies believing that just because
>> they can steal something from an "evil" corporation that makes it
>> alright?
>

> Normally I'd agree with you, but textbook publishers are scum who rape
> their 'customers' who have no choice in what to buy, and then kickback
> to the teachers. It is a classic example of collusion.

Actually, most professors here are adjuncts. So far all of them wanted
copies of my PDFs! I scored quite a few brownie points.
Not only that, buy there's this girl whose parents said they would pay for
half of a car - she had to save the rest. Thanks to my efforts she can
get her car a semester early. I discussed it with my boss and got
permission to price out a certified '09 Ford Fusion SE with AWD! We're
giving it to her at invoice - with some help from me. She knows I'm
making the deal. She takes delivery on Friday.
I am soooooooo in!

[Snit]

On 5/14/13 5:15 PM, in article slrnkp5l50....@mbp55.local, "Lewis"

<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <6mslf8lov53l$.r1sj4cok...@40tude.net>
> flatfish+++ <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> On Tue, 14 May 2013 23:24:31 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
>
>>> Boy, did I have a busy semester! Once again I helped four classes get
>>> their books for free with NON-DRM PDFs. Each class had about 15
>>> students,
>>> undergrads and graduate.
>>> Here's a rundown of how much money I saved each class for this year:
>
>> Typical starry eyed, thieving FOSSie...
>
>> What is it with Linux users and FOSSies believing that just because
>> they can steal something from an "evil" corporation that makes it
>> alright?
>

> Normally I'd agree with you, but textbook publishers are scum who rape
> their 'customers' who have no choice in what to buy, and then kickback
> to the teachers. It is a classic example of collusion.

A kickback to the teachers?

How?

I teach at multiple educational institutions and have never been offered a
kickback. How do I get in on this scam?



What the publishers do engage in is making materials for the instructors -
tests and online resources, usually of questionable quality but it makes
"teaching" easier. I rarely use such material and use off-the-shelf books or
make my own material.


--
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fiction: <http://bit.ly/Y741mf>.
Using Bilk's own "logic" he posts his lies because the Underground
Marshmallow People pay him to.

<http://bit.ly/19aDAxL>
"Maybe I am that way because people kept telling me I was mentally ill. But
I never was. I just saw monsters. Them." - Mark S. Bilk

[Justin]

My guess this only applies to the well known Institutions where lifetime
professors who never spent a day outside the classroom somehow decide what
goes into each textbook.
I think that's why most of the practice problems I see in these expensive
books have goofy names as fictional companies. I mean, do they really
think that "Bullwinkle Incorporated" buying out "Rocky Ltd." is funny?
They're probably aspies.

[Snit]

On 5/14/13 4:37 PM, in article 6mslf8lov53l$.r1sj4cok...@40tude.net,

For my classes I make a large part of the materials. I do not include any
DRM on the DVDs I sell. When students copy them and share them they are
breaking my copyright and doing wrong.

It really is that simple.

My materials are good and the vast majority of my students want to keep them
after the class is over. I do not know of a single student who has decided
to sell their copy to another student, though it very well could have
happened. The college bookstore has never had a "used" copy of my material
to sell that I know of... nobody returns them.

[Snit]

On 5/14/13 5:39 PM, in article kmulfu$foo$3...@dont-email.me, "Justin"

If you have info to back up your claims I would be interested in seeing
them.

> I think that's why most of the practice problems I see in these expensive
> books have goofy names as fictional companies. I mean, do they really
> think that "Bullwinkle Incorporated" buying out "Rocky Ltd." is funny?
> They're probably aspies.

Hey, the materials I use include humor and some silliness... and *most* of
my students appreciate it. I have had many, many positive comments about
such things.

Here is an online copy of an older DVD of mine - videos cut off after 30
seconds after the first few units: <http://prescottcomputerguy.com/dw>

[jay birdsong]

"Justin" wrote in message news:kmuh3f$kg3$3...@dont-email.me...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So you do this for free? You don't get a slice of the pie? My, how
altruistic.

[jay birdsong]

"Justin" wrote in message news:kmul5c$foo$2...@dont-email.me...

****************************************************************

So you think she's gonna give up some pussy?

Or maybe she'll just string you along and give it to Johnny down the
street.

Time will tell.

[Justin]

Sure, I'll just post all the financial data for all of the top economics,
accounting, and business professors.
I haven't seen evidence of these kickbacks at any of the schools I
attended. All were small and private though.

>
>> I think that's why most of the practice problems I see in these
>> expensive books have goofy names as fictional companies. I mean, do
>> they really think that "Bullwinkle Incorporated" buying out "Rocky
>> Ltd." is funny? They're probably aspies.
>
> Hey, the materials I use include humor and some silliness... and *most*
> of my students appreciate it. I have had many, many positive comments
> about such things.

That's fine, but the silliness and humor actually have to be silly and
humorous.

>
> Here is an online copy of an older DVD of mine - videos cut off after 30
> seconds after the first few units: <http://prescottcomputerguy.com/dw>

I'll pass, thanks.

[Justin]

I don't mind being strung along.
Nothing worthwhile is ever easy.
Maybe I should have priced out the SEL...

[Snit]

On 5/14/13 6:37 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

"Justin" <justinthe...@hatespam.edu> wrote:

>>> My guess this only applies to the well known Institutions where
>>> lifetime professors who never spent a day outside the classroom somehow
>>> decide what goes into each textbook.
>>
>> If you have info to back up your claims I would be interested in seeing
>> them.
>
> Sure, I'll just post all the financial data for all of the top economics,
> accounting, and business professors.

I will hold my breath waiting for your evidence. :)

> I haven't seen evidence of these kickbacks at any of the schools I
> attended. All were small and private though.

I have not seen any evidence at all. Do not get me wrong - as an instructor
is sickens me to see how much the college book stores and industry rip off
students... they charge massive amounts for substandard materials and then
the book stores add even more to it.

>>> I think that's why most of the practice problems I see in these
>>> expensive books have goofy names as fictional companies. I mean, do
>>> they really think that "Bullwinkle Incorporated" buying out "Rocky
>>> Ltd." is funny? They're probably aspies.
>>
>> Hey, the materials I use include humor and some silliness... and *most*
>> of my students appreciate it. I have had many, many positive comments
>> about such things.
>
> That's fine, but the silliness and humor actually have to be silly and
> humorous.

Fair enough. And sometimes I do it well... and sometimes not. :)

>> Here is an online copy of an older DVD of mine - videos cut off after 30
>> seconds after the first few units: <http://prescottcomputerguy.com/dw>
>
> I'll pass, thanks.

No problem. By the way, I do make *some* money from my materials but not
much... esp. given that I put a *lot* of time into making them. I could just
use pre-made materials... but mine cost the students less and are better, so
I have no problem making a bit of a profit from it. Many instructors make
their own books and the like. As long as they are doing so in an ethical way
I have no problem with it - and I think colleges should have an ethics board
to help ensure instructors are being ethical (the college where I use those
materials does have such a board).

[Justin]

Correct, I get nothing.
I don't do a hell of alot though. For the tax book, the PDF wasn't on IRC
or torrents, so I bought the Kindle version, ran the utility to convert it
to PDF, and returned the ebook.
The best part is the fact that the utility is Mac only!

[Justin]

Your stuff I wouldn't pirate. You seem to charge a fair price. My CPA
materials, by Yeager. Not giving them away. The people who made those
study guides and lectures have industry experience and aren't "in the
clique." They make a good product at a fair price.
Charging 175% more, for a new edition of a book where the changes are
barely noticeable, and then trying to outlaw the used book market is
bullshit, no matter how you look at it.

Honestly, I want somebody to explain how selling a used book is somehow
bad. I think that attempt is pretty much defunct now, but the fact they
even attempted it is obscene, and shows the kind of people we're dealing
with.

[Mark S Bilk]

On May 14, 6:43 pm, Justin <justinthenumbers...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
> I don't do a hell of alot though.  For the tax book, the PDF wasn't on IRC
> or torrents, so I bought the Kindle version, ran the utility to convert it
> to PDF, and returned the ebook.
> The best part is the fact that the utility is Mac only!

Someone told me recently that the free program "calibre",
which runs on all 3 platforms, can convert kindle files to pdf.

[Justin]

Nothing wrong with making money - I'm not a socialist; quite the opposite
in fact.
Your primary objective probably isn't to make money - at least as far as
the materials go, but covering your expenses, time and effort - you
deserve a reward. Good for you. Keep it up.
Do you think Mr. Brigham (not even a PhD - WTF?!) wrote that book
himself? Hell no. I know for a fact grad students - like me, wrote all
of the practice problems, assignments and most of the explanations. I
know this, because I was offered a job doing exactly that. No pay, it
would have been a credit class. I declined because I was finishing up my
masters. So that's another thing they do, they use students as slave
labor.

[Justin]

Indeed.
I shall check it out. The first time I did it, I used one of the school's
iMacs and all I needed was Adobe Acrobat.
I don't kknow if that still works.

[Snit]

On 5/14/13 6:48 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

I do. *FAR* less than what the big companies charge... and I sell it through
the bookstore with their markup or direct for the same price I charge the
bookstore.

> My CPA materials, by Yeager. Not giving them away. The people who made those
> study guides and lectures have industry experience and aren't "in the clique."
> They make a good product at a fair price. Charging 175% more, for a new
> edition of a book where the changes are barely noticeable, and then trying to
> outlaw the used book market is bullshit, no matter how you look at it.

Yes, I agree. And I have seen examples where they have it set up so you use
the same book for three classes... and then update it with minimal updates
every two semesters so students end up having to buy two copies of pretty
much the same thing but with problems changed slightly so you need the new
one. The publishers argue this is to cut down on cheating, but the answers
are on the web within a month of the new update. Want to really stop the
cheating - update your examples and have them on the web.

> Honestly, I want somebody to explain how selling a used book is somehow bad.

It is not. It is a scam to try to stop it. I know I encourage my students to
do so if they do not want the materials.

I also walk them through how to copy the DVD to their hard drive so that
they do not have to insert it each time and so videos are more sure to play
smoothly. Again, no DRM or anything else to bypass... just a fair product
for a fair price and the expectation that *most* people will do what is
right. And most do.

> I think that attempt is pretty much defunct now, but the fact they even
> attempted it is obscene, and shows the kind of people we're dealing with.

You will not get an argument from me about the text book industry being
corrupt and dishonest and filled with rip-offs.

[Snit]

On 5/14/13 6:56 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

Agreed - but there is some level of conflict of interest in selling your own
product to your own classes. There should be reasonable oversight to make
sure it is done in an ethical way.

> Your primary objective probably isn't to make money - at least as far as
> the materials go, but covering your expenses, time and effort - you
> deserve a reward. Good for you. Keep it up.

I am making an updated series and actually keeping track of my time... and
then figuring out *around* how many sales I can expect to make. It turns out
I do not make that much per hour... so I will likely increase the price for
the next series (though with the current one I have students using an
off-the-shelf book... for the new one I do not have that - makes it more
sellable to others and, frankly, many students told me they never used the
book anyway - so in the long run I will make a bit more money and the
students will pay less... a win for everyone).

> Do you think Mr. Brigham (not even a PhD - WTF?!) wrote that book
> himself? Hell no. I know for a fact grad students - like me, wrote all
> of the practice problems, assignments and most of the explanations. I
> know this, because I was offered a job doing exactly that. No pay, it
> would have been a credit class. I declined because I was finishing up my
> masters. So that's another thing they do, they use students as slave
> labor.

Now *that* is completely unethical. Completely. At the college I use my
materials with that would not be allowed.

[Snit]

On 5/14/13 7:54 PM, in article slrnkp5udo....@mgb.local, "Lewis"
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <CDB8270B.1ADE3%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>

> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 5/14/13 5:15 PM, in article slrnkp5l50....@mbp55.local, "Lewis"
>> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>>> In message <6mslf8lov53l$.r1sj4cok...@40tude.net>
>>> flatfish+++ <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 14 May 2013 23:24:31 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Boy, did I have a busy semester! Once again I helped four classes get
>>>>> their books for free with NON-DRM PDFs. Each class had about 15
>>>>> students,
>>>>> undergrads and graduate.
>>>>> Here's a rundown of how much money I saved each class for this year:
>>>
>>>> Typical starry eyed, thieving FOSSie...
>>>
>>>> What is it with Linux users and FOSSies believing that just because
>>>> they can steal something from an "evil" corporation that makes it
>>>> alright?
>>>
>>> Normally I'd agree with you, but textbook publishers are scum who rape
>>> their 'customers' who have no choice in what to buy, and then kickback
>>> to the teachers. It is a classic example of collusion.
>
>> A kickback to the teachers?
>
>> How?
>
>> I teach at multiple educational institutions and have never been offered a
>> kickback. How do I get in on this scam?
>

> Write your own textbook and then negotiate your cut with the publisher.

I make my own materials then sell them direct. Then again, they are not used
nationally. But if they were I could see having a publisher get a cut. The
the bookstores would. By the time it was all done it would be 4x the cost
(just pulling a number out of some orifice there).

> it's not *legally* a kickback, so you won't go to jail, you'll just make
> your students pay $200 a book and generate a "new edition" every year so
> no one can use a used edition. The easiest way to make a new edition is
> to rearrange the questions.

I teach software classes - every time there is an update to the software I
need to make a new edition. Lots of work...

[Justin]

You can't. Unless you are one of the select few publishers, you won't
make it into that market. not by a longshot. This is a similar
environment to the US automotive industry back in the 40's up until early
70's. Remember Tucker? Of course you don't. He made a nice safe car at
a reasonable price. Ford, Chrysler, GM (Hudson?) ganged up, sued the shit
out of him and he was gone. Then the big 3/4 went back to collusion,
price fixing and generally making shitty products until the oil crisis.
Most college bookstores are run by... dun dun dun.... publishers!

[Justin]

Yes there is. I'm surprised students haven't called you out on it. If
they're 18-21 year old undergrads, some can be quite edge.

>
>> Your primary objective probably isn't to make money - at least as far
>> as the materials go, but covering your expenses, time and effort - you
>> deserve a reward. Good for you. Keep it up.
>
> I am making an updated series and actually keeping track of my time...
> and then figuring out *around* how many sales I can expect to make. It
> turns out I do not make that much per hour... so I will likely increase
> the price for the next series (though with the current one I have
> students using an off-the-shelf book... for the new one I do not have
> that - makes it more sellable to others and, frankly, many students told
> me they never used the book anyway - so in the long run I will make a
> bit more money and the students will pay less... a win for everyone).

You need a cost accountant.

>
>> Do you think Mr. Brigham (not even a PhD - WTF?!) wrote that book
>> himself? Hell no. I know for a fact grad students - like me, wrote
>> all of the practice problems, assignments and most of the explanations.
>> I know this, because I was offered a job doing exactly that. No pay,
>> it would have been a credit class. I declined because I was finishing
>> up my masters. So that's another thing they do, they use students as
>> slave labor.
>
> Now *that* is completely unethical. Completely. At the college I use my
> materials with that would not be allowed.

Sure it would. They disguise it as an internship.

[chrisv]

Justin wrote:

> Once again

*plonk* 3 months

[jay birdsong]

"Justin" wrote in message
news:pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu...

I don't see it. If there's a question of breaking the law, and your
not making money doing it , it's not too smart. Lets face it, if you
were raking in the dough while breaking the law, I would applaud you -
but to do it free..........................uh, uh.

[jay birdsong]

"Snit" wrote in message
news:CDB8270B.1ADE3%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...

Are you telling us that you were never approached by a tender young
thing offering up her pussy for a better GPA? Unbelievable!

[chrisv]

jay birdsong wrote:

>"Snit" wrote

*plonk*

[Snit]

On 5/14/13 9:48 PM, in article kmv43e$crb$1...@dont-email.me, "Justin"

The best I would be able to do, in all likelihood, is have a publisher buy
me out. Not interested. Could also sell direct - which I might... though
then I would not get many sales. And I won't. So be it.

[Justin]

Are you copyrighting your work? You're too small to be of any interest,
but if somehow you pop up on their radar, they'll either buy you out for a
sum of money you can't refuse along with a contract saying you won't make
anymore materials for 250 years, or they'll sue you. They don't have to
win a lawsuit, just put you into bankruptcy through legal fees.

[Justin]

> I don't see it. If there's a question of breaking the law, and *your*

not
> making money doing it , it's not too smart. Lets face it, if you were
> raking in the dough while breaking the law, I would applaud you -
> but to do it free..........................uh, uh.

Nice use of the wrong "you're" kiddo.
I don't get a slice of anything.
I do it because it makes me feel good and that is reason enough. It gives
me a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing that 60+ (upper?) middle class college
students decreased their expenses by 25%.
I see most of the students every other day at the library. I'm like an
unofficial tutor.

[Snit]

On 5/15/13 10:19 AM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

"Justin" <justinthe...@hatespam.edu> wrote:

>>> You can't. Unless you are one of the select few publishers, you won't
>>> make it into that market. not by a longshot. This is a similar
>>> environment to the US automotive industry back in the 40's up until
>>> early 70's. Remember Tucker? Of course you don't. He made a nice
>>> safe car at a reasonable price. Ford, Chrysler, GM (Hudson?) ganged
>>> up, sued the shit out of him and he was gone. Then the big 3/4 went
>>> back to collusion, price fixing and generally making shitty products
>>> until the oil crisis. Most college bookstores are run by... dun dun
>>> dun.... publishers!
>>>
>> The best I would be able to do, in all likelihood, is have a publisher
>> buy me out. Not interested. Could also sell direct - which I might...
>> though then I would not get many sales. And I won't. So be it.
>
> Are you copyrighting your work? You're too small to be of any interest,
> but if somehow you pop up on their radar, they'll either buy you out for a
> sum of money you can't refuse along with a contract saying you won't make
> anymore materials for 250 years, or they'll sue you. They don't have to
> win a lawsuit, just put you into bankruptcy through legal fees.

I have not registered a copyright but I do note that I own the copyright.

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:51:18 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 5/15/13 10:19 AM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,
> "Justin" <justinthe...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>
>>>> You can't. Unless you are one of the select few publishers, you
>>>> won't make it into that market. not by a longshot. This is a
>>>> similar environment to the US automotive industry back in the 40's up
>>>> until early 70's. Remember Tucker? Of course you don't. He made a
>>>> nice safe car at a reasonable price. Ford, Chrysler, GM (Hudson?)
>>>> ganged up, sued the shit out of him and he was gone. Then the big
>>>> 3/4 went back to collusion, price fixing and generally making shitty
>>>> products until the oil crisis. Most college bookstores are run by...
>>>> dun dun dun.... publishers!
>>>>
>>> The best I would be able to do, in all likelihood, is have a publisher
>>> buy me out. Not interested. Could also sell direct - which I might...
>>> though then I would not get many sales. And I won't. So be it.
>>
>> Are you copyrighting your work? You're too small to be of any
>> interest, but if somehow you pop up on their radar, they'll either buy
>> you out for a sum of money you can't refuse along with a contract
>> saying you won't make anymore materials for 250 years, or they'll sue
>> you. They don't have to win a lawsuit, just put you into bankruptcy
>> through legal fees.
>
> I have not registered a copyright but I do note that I own the
> copyright.

If you didn't register, it doesn't exist. Somebody else could take your
work, slightly modify it and sell it at a major premium. It takes two
minutes to copyright your stuff. A retarded monkey (MCSE) could do it.

[Snit]

On 5/15/13 12:20 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

It has my voice and my images and more - it would be hard for someone else
to claim it was theirs. And I have many witnesses as to when I released
it... but, yes, it might make sense to make things more "official".

[Justin]

Ok, somebody could re-record themselves saying exactly that you're
saying. Witnesses are irrelevant in a copyright case. There's a simple
rule in law enforcement, if it isn't on paper it didn't happen.

[Snit]

On 5/15/13 12:47 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

Well, it is on paper that I was selling the product - but as I said, it
would make sense to have it be made more official. So far I sell mostly just
to my own classes so it is not a big deal.

[jay birdsong]

WOW!!! You get a gold star!!!

>I don't get a slice of anything.
>I do it because it makes me feel good and that is reason enough. It
>gives
>me a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing that 60+ (upper?) middle class
>college
>students decreased their expenses by 25%.
>I see most of the students every other day at the library. I'm like
>an
>unofficial tutor.

Yeah, you're a modern day Robin Hood.

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:00:22 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
>>> So, what do you think?
>>> How does the above make you feel?
>>> Is it stealing?
>>> Does the lost tax revenue due to my activities mean I am stealing from
>>> the federal government? If so, would that mean I committed an act of
>>> treason?
>>>
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>> So you do this for free? You don't get a slice of the pie? My, how
>>> altruistic.
>>
>>>Correct, I get nothing.
>>
>> I don't see it. If there's a question of breaking the law, and *your*
> not
>> making money doing it , it's not too smart. Lets face it, if you were
>> raking in the dough while breaking the law, I would applaud you -
>> but to do it free..........................uh, uh.
>
>>Nice use of the wrong "you're" kiddo.
>
> WOW!!! You get a gold star!!!

Platinum, or nothing.

>
>>I don't get a slice of anything.
>>I do it because it makes me feel good and that is reason enough. It
>>gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing that 60+ (upper?) middle class
>>college students decreased their expenses by 25%.
>>I see most of the students every other day at the library. I'm like an
>>unofficial tutor.
>
> Yeah, you're a modern day Robin Hood.

I get more chicks when I wear tights.

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:57:07 -0700, Snit wrote:


>>
>> Ok, somebody could re-record themselves saying exactly that you're
>> saying. Witnesses are irrelevant in a copyright case. There's a
>> simple rule in law enforcement, if it isn't on paper it didn't happen.
>
> Well, it is on paper that I was selling the product - but as I said, it
> would make sense to have it be made more official. So far I sell mostly
> just to my own classes so it is not a big deal.

You still don't understand.
Somebody could take your work, copy it, and go national - making millions.
Happens all the time. Weirdo inventor makes something awesome. Tries to
sell it from his basement - nothing gets done. "Silverstein Holdings
International" gets a hold of it, copies it, patents it, and sells it to
everyone on the face of the Earth using Amazon. Then little inventor
tried to sue with his lawyer who got his online law degree from Devry and
gets his ass kicked.

Note how I am defending your right to earn a living doing what you do.
Good product + reasonable price = capitalism
Mediocre product + useless justice system + corrupt government = fascism.

[Snit]

On 5/15/13 1:12 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

"Justin" <justinthe...@hatespam.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:57:07 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Ok, somebody could re-record themselves saying exactly that you're
>>> saying. Witnesses are irrelevant in a copyright case. There's a
>>> simple rule in law enforcement, if it isn't on paper it didn't happen.
>>
>> Well, it is on paper that I was selling the product - but as I said, it
>> would make sense to have it be made more official. So far I sell mostly
>> just to my own classes so it is not a big deal.
>
> You still don't understand.
> Somebody could take your work, copy it, and go national - making millions.

Yes, they could. Not likely to happen, but it could. And then I would have
to fight them in court and their lawyers would be bigger than mine.

Thanks for the concern.

> Happens all the time. Weirdo inventor makes something awesome. Tries to
> sell it from his basement - nothing gets done. "Silverstein Holdings
> International" gets a hold of it, copies it, patents it, and sells it to
> everyone on the face of the Earth using Amazon. Then little inventor
> tried to sue with his lawyer who got his online law degree from Devry and
> gets his ass kicked.
>
> Note how I am defending your right to earn a living doing what you do.
> Good product + reasonable price = capitalism
> Mediocre product + useless justice system + corrupt government = fascism.

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 13:21:29 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>> Well, it is on paper that I was selling the product - but as I said,
>>> it would make sense to have it be made more official. So far I sell
>>> mostly just to my own classes so it is not a big deal.
>>
>> You still don't understand.
>> Somebody could take your work, copy it, and go national - making
>> millions.
>
> Yes, they could. Not likely to happen, but it could. And then I would
> have to fight them in court and their lawyers would be bigger than mine.
>
> Thanks for the concern.

Just showing you what the public is up against.

Hell, maybe I'll order your stuff and copy it. heh... My friend is a
patent & copyright attorney, another guy I know from college, could set up
everything in another country, probably Serbia and even if you sued you
couldn't touch us. Damn, I'm evil! You can tell by my X-face.

[Lloyd]

In article <pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu>,

What we can mostly tell about you is that you are an idiot, and a very
trollish one.

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:50 +0000, Lewis wrote:

> In message <pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu>

> That is not true and has not been true for a very long time.

I'm sure a judge will agree.

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 15:47:30 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, they could. Not likely to happen, but it could. And then I would
>> > have to fight them in court and their lawyers would be bigger than
>> > mine.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the concern.
>>
>> Just showing you what the public is up against.
>>
>> Hell, maybe I'll order your stuff and copy it. heh... My friend is a
>> patent & copyright attorney, another guy I know from college, could set
>> up everything in another country, probably Serbia and even if you sued
>> you couldn't touch us. Damn, I'm evil! You can tell by my X-face.
>
> What we can mostly tell about you is that you are an idiot, and a very
> trollish one.

That's it? I was hoping for something a bit more creative. After all not
only am I stealing from the publishing companies, but the federal
government too. Since I'm stealing from the federal government, I'm
stealing from our brave heroes in Iraq!

[Lloyd]

In article <pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu>,
Justin <justinthe...@hatespam.edu> wrote:

No, what you are doing is 'claiming' to be doing all that. Quite a
different thing. Mostly the type of thing a trollish blowhard would do.
Or an idiot.

[Justin]

Or a visionary!

[Snit]

On 5/15/13 1:40 PM, in article slrnkp7stp....@ananke.local, "Lewis"
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu>

> That is not true and has not been true for a very long time.
>

His point is that it would be easier to prove in court, if needed. And in
that he is right - but it is not likely to be needed. Even if it is, there
is *plenty* of evidence that the files are mine, including the resources I
use to make them which I do not share... and working with the makers of the
screencasting software on specific issues, etc.

[Justin]

Unfortunately you're both wrong. The law is the law and a judge won't
just side with the guy with a few witnesses and supposed evidence. He'll
want a timestamped piece of paper with a signature that says this was
registered at such and such a time.

[Lloyd]

In article <pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu>,

Bullshit!

[Lloyd]

Like I said, a blowhard and an idiot rolled into one. Unfortunately for
you, that doesn't spell 'visionary' in any language!

[Snit]

On 5/15/13 2:22 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

So far I have taken my chances and it has not been an issue.

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 14:31:17 -0700, Snit wrote:

>>
>> Unfortunately you're both wrong. The law is the law and a judge won't
>> just side with the guy with a few witnesses and supposed evidence.
>> He'll want a timestamped piece of paper with a signature that says this
>> was registered at such and such a time.
>
> So far I have taken my chances and it has not been an issue.

I wonder how many people who don't wear their seatbelt say the same thing.

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:28:57 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>> > No, what you are doing is 'claiming' to be doing all that. Quite a
>> > different thing. Mostly the type of thing a trollish blowhard would
>> > do.
>> > Or an idiot.
>>
>> Or a visionary!
>
> Like I said, a blowhard and an idiot rolled into one. Unfortunately for
> you, that doesn't spell 'visionary' in any language!

"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
-Albert Einstein

[Snit]

On 5/15/13 3:44 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

As I have said, I appreciate your concern and will take it under advisement.
Other than that I think this sub-topic is dead.

[Snit]

On 5/15/13 3:46 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

"Over 80% of the quotes on the Internet are misattributed or otherwise
incorrect." - Mark Twain

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:08:03 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 5/15/13 3:46 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,
> "Justin" <justinthe...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:28:57 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>>>>> No, what you are doing is 'claiming' to be doing all that. Quite a
>>>>> different thing. Mostly the type of thing a trollish blowhard would
>>>>> do.
>>>>> Or an idiot.
>>>>
>>>> Or a visionary!
>>>
>>> Like I said, a blowhard and an idiot rolled into one. Unfortunately for
>>> you, that doesn't spell 'visionary' in any language!
>>
>> "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
>> -Albert Einstein
>
> "Over 80% of the quotes on the Internet are misattributed or otherwise
> incorrect." - Mark Twain

"I have a 12 incher."
-anon

[Ezekiel]

"Lloyd" <lloydp...@me.com> wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-ACFA...@news.eternal-september.org...

Watch out... it's big-bad Justin. He's a bad-ass who tears those "do not
remove" tags off of mattresses and (gasp) copies PDF files of books. He's
also the same dip-shit who "claimed" that he was in Florence, Italy and
bought a leather jacket that he didn't declare. Unfortunately "Justin" ran
away when pressed for evidence of his imaginary trip.

--
'Dell loses money on every PC they sell'

The Windows PC would not be able to benefit from the i7 processor

Apple's Macs sell for almost 5 times the price of similarly configured
Windows 7 PCs

Apple spent roughly $1 billion to sell 1 million iPhones over 3 years.

Apple was willing to consider 1 million iPhones to be a smashing success,
rather than a dismal failure

It takes 6 Windows servers to do the work of 1 Linux system running on the
same hardware.


Rex Ballard - pathological liar and Linux "advocate"

[JEDIDIAH]

> You know nothing about copyright.
>
> # <http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html>
>
> ## When is my work protected?
>
>> Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and
> fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with
> the aid of a machine or device.
>
> ## Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
>
>> No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the
> moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you
> wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1,
> Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration.”

Yes. In other words, if you want to have a meaningful cause of action
in a US court of law then YOU WILL HAVE TO REGISTER THE WORK. The OP you
are trying to contradict was essentially right and you have just provided
the evidence that proves him right.

Idiot.

--

cat /dev/video0 > tivo-sucks.mpg & |||
mplayer tivo-sucks.mpg / | \

[Snit]

On 5/16/13 10:22 AM, in article slrnkpa5d...@nomad.mishnet,

"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

>>> No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the
>> moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you
>> wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1,
>> Copyright Basics, section �Copyright Registration.�
>
> Yes. In other words, if you want to have a meaningful cause of action
> in a US court of law then YOU WILL HAVE TO REGISTER THE WORK. The OP you
> are trying to contradict was essentially right and you have just provided
> the evidence that proves him right.
>
> Idiot.

To *push* a case you need to register the work.
To *defend* yourself you do not.

Do you see your error?