Global Computer Market quarter by quarter
Edwin
fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=503816
STAMFORD, Conn., April 18, 2007 — Worldwide PC shipments totaled 62.7
million unitsin the first quarter of 2007
1,517,000/62,700,000 = 0.0241
Mac woldwide market share Q1'07 = 2.41%
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=509905
STAMFORD, Conn., July 18, 2007 — Worldwide PC shipments totaled 61.1
million units in the second quarter of 2007
1,764,000/61,100,000 = 0.0288
Mac woldwide market share Q2'07 = 2.88%
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=532712
STAMFORD, Conn., October 17, 2007 — Worldwide PC shipments totaled
68.5 million units in the third quarter of 2007
2,164,000/68,500,000 = 0.0315
Mac woldwide market share Q3'07 = 3.15%
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
STAMFORD, Conn., January 16, 2008 — Worldwide PC shipments totaled
271.2 million units in 2007, a 13.4 percent increase from 2006,
according to preliminary results by Gartner, Inc. The industry ended
the year with fourth quarter PC shipments of 75.9 million units
2,319,000/75,900,000 = 0.0305
Mac woldwide market share Q4'07 = 3.05%
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
STAMFORD, Conn., April 16, 2008 — Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1
million units in the first quarter of 2008
2,289,000/71,100,000 = 0.0321
Mac woldwide market share Q1'08 = 3.21%
Summary:
Mac woldwide market share Q1'07 = 2.41%
Mac woldwide market share Q2'07 = 2.88%
Mac woldwide market share Q3'07 = 3.15%
Mac woldwide market share Q4'07 = 3.05%
Mac woldwide market share Q1'08 = 3.21%
Q1'07 comparted to Q1'08
Mac gain in worldwide market share = 0.8%
7
Corportion:
> h
BWAHAhHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
Poor appil crap twats!!!
In the mean time Linux sells 1 million+ embedded
Linux gadgets PER DAY!!!
Linux also gains at least 1 million+ Linux desktop installs PER WEEK.
It is interesting that there are lots of reasons now to ditch appil
corporation crap and go buy a cheap PC and move to Linux.
Particularly for students.
See for example http://www.youtube.com and search for ubuntu + compiz
for videos of latest Linux offerings.
It is superior technology to Appil crapola and its free.
I can't even begin to feel the shame of Appil marketing department
when they ask money for their crapola when so much Linux is out
there beating them for the money.
For students, things like xmaxima can be downloaded using synaptic
that allows equations to be solved algebraically!!!!
Or use QCad to draw in 2D. Or use K3d to model objects in 3D and view it,
edit it etc. Or use Gambas2 to write full GUI software free of charge
and distribution encumberances. Or play games like Nexuiz.
Linux has the fastest frame rate / highest resolution envelope for
gaming. And its all free!!!
http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com
http://www.ubuntu.com
Matt
> Appil Asstroturfer Edwin wrote on behalf of Marketing Department of Appil
> Corportion:
>
>> h
>
> BWAHAhHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
>
> Poor appil crap twats!!!
The OP did some work to gather those numbers.
Linux and Mac are basically not in competition with each other for the
next 5 to 10 years.
Increased market share for Mac is a benefit to Linux.
Matt
> Linux also gains at least 1 million+ Linux desktop installs PER WEEK.
How long have you felt that way?
nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu
>
> Linux and Mac are basically not in competition with each other for the
> next 5 to 10 years.
>
> Increased market share for Mac is a benefit to Linux.
I agree on both accounts. Linux and Mac may never be in competition,
in fact, if Mac stays at the high end where the profits are big.
It's people who use monopoly power to overcharge for commodity
products of mediocre quality that are in trouble.
BTW, Mac may have only 3% of the world wide sales, but their profit is
50% of Microsoft's (something like that, I don't recall the exact
figures).
Apple sometimes has an uncomfortable relationship with FOSS. There
are strains and will be more in the future, but I certainly don't
anticipate them doing anything like threatening to sue Linux users
over phony patent issues, as Microsoft has done.
As for increased market share being good for both players, I've
noticed in stories about businesses switching to Macs that once the
Windows-only mentality is broken, Linux is considered along with
Macs. I posted an link on this a week ago,
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_19/b4083036428429.htm
DFS
Don't listen to this wackjob. Besides the fact that all the products he
listed are 2nd and 3rd rate OSS crapware, he makes a living with Windows,
developing proprietary products and trying to get people to license
proprietary, wannabe-patented scams.
He's a fraud.
Snit
eXHXj.6670$Kk3....@bignews9.bellsouth.net on 5/17/08 2:19 PM:
Do you know what his primary language is? If English he is illiterate.
--
The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of
limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and
great nations. - David Friedman
Tim Smith
7 <website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Appil Asstroturfer Edwin wrote on behalf of Marketing Department of Appil
> Corportion:
I knew 7 was stupid, but didn't realize just how stupid--he can't even
recognize when someone is on the same side as he is. (Clue: Edwin is
trying to show that Apple *isn't* doing well).
--
--Tim Smith
weedhopper
<nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
news:7ca5880e-1f19-422f...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> Linux and Mac are basically not in competition with each other for the
>> next 5 to 10 years.
>>
>> Increased market share for Mac is a benefit to Linux.
>
> I agree on both accounts. Linux and Mac may never be in competition,
> in fact, if Mac stays at the high end where the profits are big.
> It's people who use monopoly power to overcharge for commodity
> products of mediocre quality that are in trouble.
>
> BTW, Mac may have only 3% of the world wide sales, but their profit is
> 50% of Microsoft's (something like that, I don't recall the exact
> figures).
More Fuzzy math?
AAPL net income 4.35 billion
MSFT net income 16.42 billion.
4.35 is not 50% of 16.42
The truth hurts.
> snip NEBS
Matt
> As for increased market share being good for both players, I've
> noticed in stories about businesses switching to Macs that once the
> Windows-only mentality is broken, Linux is considered along with
> Macs. I posted an link on this a week ago,
> http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_19/b4083036428429.htm
I don't see Linux mentioned there---maybe I read too quickly.
Moshe Goldfarb
It's not.
Nessuno pulled a Schestowitz.
It *is* a good article though.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Tim Murray
> Linux also gains at least 1 million+ Linux desktop installs PER WEEK.
Really. How long has this been going on?
Moshe Goldfarb
For as long as mjcr, ooops, 7 has been hearing voices in his head which is
quite a while.
Edwin
"For 1999, Apple ranked eighth in terms of worldwide PC shipments,
with 3.4 percent, up from 3.3 percent the previous year. "
http://www.news.com/Apple-beats-expectations,-splits-stock/2100-1001_3-239499.html
David Fritzinger
<aa1c0f6d-67f0-4f74...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Edwin, why does it bother you so much that the Mac market share is
increasing? It's not like Windows is going to be eclipsed any time soon,
so why are you so worried?
To quote Edwin (or was it Glorb? Or perhaps Mr. X? Or, maybe it was
Hasta la Vista?) "Your fear is palpable."
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
Moshe Goldfarb
> Edwin, why does it bother you so much that the Mac market share is
> increasing? It's not like Windows is going to be eclipsed any time soon,
> so why are you so worried?
>
> To quote Edwin (or was it Glorb? Or perhaps Mr. X? Or, maybe it was
> Hasta la Vista?) "Your fear is palpable."
Figures aside I can say for a fact that I see more Macs now, in the wild,
than I have ever seen.
I travel a lot and the Macs are seen in airports, planes, hotel lounges
etc.
One thing I almost never see is Linux.
In fact I don't think I have ever seen a business traveler using Linux
except for me when I dual boot once in a while.
Rick
So what? And what does it have to to with Linux?
--
Rick
Moshe Goldfarb
> So what? And what does it have to to with Linux?
Interesting you never seem to ask Schestowitz the same question when he
spews the group with anti-Microsoft baloney or conspiracy theories about
patents and so forth.
Tim Adams
"weedhopper" <who...@verizon.com> wrote:
Did you realize that net income isn't the same as profit?
>
> 4.35 is not 50% of 16.42
>
> The truth hurts.
>
> > snip NEBS
--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
Rick
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 22:04:17 -0500, Rick wrote:
>
>
>> So what? And what does it have to to with Linux?
>
> Interesting you never seem to ask Schestowitz the same question when he
> spews the group with anti-Microsoft baloney or conspiracy theories about
> patents and so forth.
Interesting how you obsess over Roy ....
--
Rick
Edwin
> In article
> <aa1c0f6d-67f0-4f74-acf8-8cbc1a026...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
> > html
>
> >http://www.systemshootouts.org/?q=node/198
>
> Edwin, why does it bother you so much that the Mac market share is
> increasing?
Why is it still at ~3% if it's increasing?
> It's not like Windows is going to be eclipsed any time soon,
No, it's not.
> so why are you so worried?
Does projecting your worry into me help to soothe your dark soul?
> To quote Edwin (or was it Glorb? Or perhaps Mr. X? Or, maybe it was
> Hasta la Vista?) "Your fear is palpable."
Fear of what?
Moshe Goldfarb
Interesting how you follow *me* around, Rick.....
Snit
teadams$2$0$0$3-1F8699.23...@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net on
5/17/08 8:29 PM:
> In article <lgKXj.143937$Er2....@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
> "weedhopper" <who...@verizon.com> wrote:
>
>> <nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
>> news:7ca5880e-1f19-422f...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linux and Mac are basically not in competition with each other for the
>>>> next 5 to 10 years.
>>>>
>>>> Increased market share for Mac is a benefit to Linux.
>>>
>>> I agree on both accounts. Linux and Mac may never be in competition,
>>> in fact, if Mac stays at the high end where the profits are big.
>>> It's people who use monopoly power to overcharge for commodity
>>> products of mediocre quality that are in trouble.
>>>
>>> BTW, Mac may have only 3% of the world wide sales, but their profit is
>>> 50% of Microsoft's (something like that, I don't recall the exact
>>> figures).
>>
>> More Fuzzy math?
>>
>> AAPL net income 4.35 billion
>> MSFT net income 16.42 billion.
>
> Did you realize that net income isn't the same as profit?
Net income is the same as net profit; gross income is the same as gross
profit.
>
>>
>> 4.35 is not 50% of 16.42
>>
>> The truth hurts.
>>
>>> snip NEBS
--
Look, this is silly. It's not an argument, it's an armor plated walrus with
walnut paneling and an all leather interior.
Snit
teadams$2$0$0$3-1F8699.23...@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net on
5/17/08 8:29 PM:
> In article <lgKXj.143937$Er2....@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
> "weedhopper" <who...@verizon.com> wrote:
>
>> <nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
>> news:7ca5880e-1f19-422f...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linux and Mac are basically not in competition with each other for the
>>>> next 5 to 10 years.
>>>>
>>>> Increased market share for Mac is a benefit to Linux.
>>>
>>> I agree on both accounts. Linux and Mac may never be in competition,
>>> in fact, if Mac stays at the high end where the profits are big.
>>> It's people who use monopoly power to overcharge for commodity
>>> products of mediocre quality that are in trouble.
>>>
>>> BTW, Mac may have only 3% of the world wide sales, but their profit is
>>> 50% of Microsoft's (something like that, I don't recall the exact
>>> figures).
>>
>> More Fuzzy math?
>>
>> AAPL net income 4.35 billion
>> MSFT net income 16.42 billion.
>
> Did you realize that net income isn't the same as profit?
Gross income is synonymous with gross profit.
Net income is synonymous with net profit.
--
God made me an atheist - who are you to question his authority?
Snit
LcudnRoVZJrgPrLV...@supernews.com on 5/17/08 8:33 PM:
And you obsess over people obsessing over Roy.
--
Dear Aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472
Mitch
<ma...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:
> 7 wrote:
> > Appil Asstroturfer Edwin wrote on behalf of Marketing Department of Appil
> > Corportion:
> >
> >> h
> >
> > BWAHAhHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
> >
> > Poor appil crap twats!!!
>
>
> The OP did some work to gather those numbers.
Those numbers were being posted in argument _against_ Edwin in CSMA.
> Linux and Mac are basically not in competition with each other for the
> next 5 to 10 years.
>
> Increased market share for Mac is a benefit to Linux.
Anything that informs the consumer about differences and choices can
help the industry.
Mitch
> > BTW, Mac may have only 3% of the world wide sales, but their profit is
> > 50% of Microsoft's (something like that, I don't recall the exact
> > figures).
>
> More Fuzzy math?
>
> AAPL net income 4.35 billion
> MSFT net income 16.42 billion.
>
> 4.35 is not 50% of 16.42
>
> The truth hurts.
Truth? You barely have any understanding at all!
Someone posted a comment about PROFIT, and you dump out NET figures.
Calling it INCOME, no less.
Mitch
<ma...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:
I must have that guy filtered.
A million new desktops PER WEEK?
That surely never happened once; to suggest it happens every week is
ludicrous.
By the time that information was verified and published, it would have
overtaken every other desktop OS!
But "7" wouldn't know, he's blinded by purpose.
Sandman
<a7e7e0eb-1afe-43a8...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> Mac woldwide market share Q1'07 = 2.41%
>
> Mac woldwide market share Q2'07 = 2.88%
>
> Mac woldwide market share Q3'07 = 3.15%
>
> Mac woldwide market share Q4'07 = 3.05%
>
> Mac woldwide market share Q1'08 = 3.21%
Impressive, in just a year they've grown 33%. I wonder if this trend
will continue. Thanks for this positive info about Apple, Edwin
--
Sandman[.net]
Hadron
> "Tim Adams" <teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net> stated in post
> teadams$2$0$0$3-1F8699.23...@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net on
> 5/17/08 8:29 PM:
>
>> In article <lgKXj.143937$Er2....@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
>> "weedhopper" <who...@verizon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:7ca5880e-1f19-422f...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux and Mac are basically not in competition with each other for the
>>>>> next 5 to 10 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Increased market share for Mac is a benefit to Linux.
>>>>
>>>> I agree on both accounts. Linux and Mac may never be in competition,
>>>> in fact, if Mac stays at the high end where the profits are big.
>>>> It's people who use monopoly power to overcharge for commodity
>>>> products of mediocre quality that are in trouble.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, Mac may have only 3% of the world wide sales, but their profit is
>>>> 50% of Microsoft's (something like that, I don't recall the exact
>>>> figures).
>>>
>>> More Fuzzy math?
>>>
>>> AAPL net income 4.35 billion
>>> MSFT net income 16.42 billion.
>>
>> Did you realize that net income isn't the same as profit?
>
> Net income is the same as net profit; gross income is the same as gross
> profit.
Dont say that. It will confuse people.
But I must say, I never heard of net income being called net
profit. profit is money left after outgoings.
--
I really think XP is going to be a flop. Between the glut of hardware out
there (and slowing down of purchasing), and the fact that W2K is
sufficient for so many casual users.... I just don't see it taking off.
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy
Edwin
> In article
> <a7e7e0eb-1afe-43a8-98d9-fb80d607c...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > Mac woldwide market share Q1'07 = 2.41%
>
> > Mac woldwide market share Q2'07 = 2.88%
>
> > Mac woldwide market share Q3'07 = 3.15%
>
> > Mac woldwide market share Q4'07 = 3.05%
>
> > Mac woldwide market share Q1'08 = 3.21%
>
> Impressive, in just a year they've grown 33%. I wonder if this trend
> will continue. Thanks for this positive info about Apple, Edwin
"For 1999, Apple ranked eighth in terms of worldwide PC shipments,
with 3.4 percent, up from 3.3 percent the previous year. "
http://www.news.com/Apple-beats-expectations,-splits-stock/2100-1001_3-23949=
9.html
How much "growth" was there in going down from 3.4% to 3.2%, Sandman?
http://www.systemshootouts.org/?q=3Dnode/198
Goodness, look at that chart! Apple just can't drag itself back up
to even 4% of the market!
7
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
You utterly ludicrous outdated WINDUMMY YOU!!!!
Google is your friend to count all the press releases if you must.
And you forgot, embedded Linux SELLs 1 million+ embedded Linux
gadgets PER DAY.
Linux has the biggest supported device driver list on the planet!!!
Linux has the biggest envelope for highest frame rate/highest resolution
PC games.
There is 25,000 free software packages available for Linux
with source code and its all free.
Even if you could copy and install one a day, you would have
only got through 3,600 after 10 years!!
weedhopper
"Tim Adams" <teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:teadams$2$0$0$3-1F8699.23...@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net...
> In article <lgKXj.143937$Er2....@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
> "weedhopper" <who...@verizon.com> wrote:
>
>> <nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
>> news:7ca5880e-1f19-422f...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Linux and Mac are basically not in competition with each other for the
>> >> next 5 to 10 years.
>> >>
>> >> Increased market share for Mac is a benefit to Linux.
>> >
>> > I agree on both accounts. Linux and Mac may never be in competition,
>> > in fact, if Mac stays at the high end where the profits are big.
>> > It's people who use monopoly power to overcharge for commodity
>> > products of mediocre quality that are in trouble.
>> >
>> > BTW, Mac may have only 3% of the world wide sales, but their profit is
>> > 50% of Microsoft's (something like that, I don't recall the exact
>> > figures).
>>
>> More Fuzzy math?
>>
>> AAPL net income 4.35 billion
>> MSFT net income 16.42 billion.
>
> Did you realize that net income isn't the same as profit?
Don't quit your day job.
weedhopper
"Mitch" <mi...@hawaii.rr> wrote in message
news:170520081959207259%mi...@hawaii.rr...
Tell me your joking!
Go here: Type in "net income"
http://www.smbtn.com/smallbusinessdictionary/#n
If that doesn't educate you, Google "net income"
Sandman
<6b8ad885-8b6d-47fe...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> On May 18, 3:34 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <a7e7e0eb-1afe-43a8-98d9-fb80d607c...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > Mac woldwide market share Q1'07 = 2.41%
> >
> > > Mac woldwide market share Q2'07 = 2.88%
> >
> > > Mac woldwide market share Q3'07 = 3.15%
> >
> > > Mac woldwide market share Q4'07 = 3.05%
> >
> > > Mac woldwide market share Q1'08 = 3.21%
> >
> > Impressive, in just a year they've grown 33%. I wonder if this trend
> > will continue. Thanks for this positive info about Apple, Edwin
>
> "For 1999, Apple ranked eighth in terms of worldwide PC shipments,
> with 3.4 percent, up from 3.3 percent the previous year. "
>
> http://www.news.com/Apple-beats-expectations,-splits-stock/2100-1001_3-23949=
> 9.html
>
>
> How much "growth" was there in going down from 3.4% to 3.2%, Sandman?
3% of 1999 market to 3% of the 2008 market is an incredible growth in
matters of units sold as well! So not only is the market *SHARE*
growing year over year, the number of units sold is incredibly higher
decade over decade.
--
Sandman[.net]
Linonut
>> Increased market share for Mac is a benefit to Linux.
>
> I agree on both accounts. Linux and Mac may never be in competition,
> in fact, if Mac stays at the high end where the profits are big.
> It's people who use monopoly power to overcharge for commodity
> products of mediocre quality that are in trouble.
A little bumper-sticker humor (adapted from a Chevy/Dodge/Ford thing I
saw on a truck.)
--
Linux: Eating OS X, shitting Windows
Snit
g0otb0$81n$3...@registered.motzarella.org on 5/18/08 2:36 AM:
<http://www.investorwords.com/3259/net_profit.html>
--
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that take our breath away.
Edwin
>
>
>
>
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On May 18, 3:34 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <a7e7e0eb-1afe-43a8-98d9-fb80d607c...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q1'07 = 2.41%
>
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q2'07 = 2.88%
>
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q3'07 = 3.15%
>
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q4'07 = 3.05%
>
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q1'08 = 3.21%
>
> > > Impressive, in just a year they've grown 33%. I wonder if this trend
> > > will continue. Thanks for this positive info about Apple, Edwin
>
> > "For 1999, Apple ranked eighth in terms of worldwide PC shipments,
> > with 3.4 percent, up from 3.3 percent the previous year. "
>
> > 9.html
>
> > How much "growth" was there in going down from 3.4% to 3.2%, Sandman?
I see you lack the intelligence necessary to produce an answer.
> 3% of 1999 market to 3% of the 2008 market is an incredible growth in
> matters of units sold as well!
It's always a tiny fraction of the whole market.
> So not only is the market *SHARE*
> growing year over year, the number of units sold is incredibly higher
> decade over decade.
You're living in a Fool's Paradise:
http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif
Sandman
<fe6cb014-5772-4678...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > How much "growth" was there in going down from 3.4% to 3.2%, Sandman?
>
> I see you lack the intelligence necessary to produce an answer.
The answer was below, but to answer you directly, the growth was an
impressive 188%! Q1 1999 Apple sold 800,000 Macs and in Q1 2008 they
sold a whopping 2,300,000 Macs which is an increase of 188% !
> > 3% of 1999 market to 3% of the 2008 market is an incredible growth in
> > matters of units sold as well!
>
> It's always a tiny fraction of the whole market.
But loads and loads of units and revenue.
> > So not only is the market *SHARE*
> > growing year over year, the number of units sold is incredibly higher
> > decade over decade.
>
> You're living in a Fool's Paradise:
>
> http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif
You do realise that that chart supports what I just said, no?
--
Sandman[.net]
Snit
L9VXj.144214$Er2....@bignews6.bellsouth.net on 5/18/08 5:20 AM:
>>> More Fuzzy math?
>>>
>>> AAPL net income 4.35 billion
>>> MSFT net income 16.42 billion.
>>
>> Did you realize that net income isn't the same as profit?
>
> Don't quit your day job.
I did a few seconds of searching... emphasis mine:
<http://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/netincome.asp>
-----
Net Income (NI)
1. A company's total earnings (or *PROFIT*).
-----
<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=net+income>
-----
net income
... Also called aftertax profit, bottom line, net,
net profit, *PROFIT*.
-----
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Income>
-----
Net income
Net income is an accounting term; in some countries
(such as the UK) *PROFIT* is the usual term
-----
<http://www.freedictionary.org/?Query=net%20income>
-----
Search Result for "net income":
[syn: net income, net, net *PROFIT*, lucre, profit,
profits, earnings]
-----
I do wonder what rabbit Tim Adams will try to pull out of his hat to show
how wrong I am and how right he is. I bet he does not just admit to his
error - that would be the mature thing for him to do.
David Fritzinger
<ea5fdc4c-3de8-40fd...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> On May 17, 9:23 pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <aa1c0f6d-67f0-4f74-acf8-8cbc1a026...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > On May 17, 1:59 pm, Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > >http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
> > > > fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
> > > > Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
> >
> > > >http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=503816
> > > > STAMFORD, Conn., April 18, 2007 Ð Worldwide PC shipments totaled 62.7
> > > > million unitsin the first quarter of 2007
> >
> > > > 1,517,000/62,700,000 = 0.0241
> >
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q1'07 = 2.41%
> >
> > > >http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
> > > > 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
> > > > Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
> >
> > > >http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=509905
> > > > STAMFORD, Conn., July 18, 2007 Ð Worldwide PC shipments totaled 61.1
> > > > million units in the second quarter of 2007
> >
> > > > 1,764,000/61,100,000 = 0.0288
> >
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q2'07 = 2.88%
> >
> > > >http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
> > > > fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
> > > > Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
> >
> > > >http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=532712
> > > > STAMFORD, Conn., October 17, 2007 Ð Worldwide PC shipments totaled
> > > > 68.5 million units in the third quarter of 2007
> >
> > > > 2,164,000/68,500,000 = 0.0315
> >
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q3'07 = 3.15%
> >
> > > >http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
> > > > fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
> > > > Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
> >
> > > >http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
> > > > STAMFORD, Conn., January 16, 2008 Ð Worldwide PC shipments totaled
> > > > 271.2 million units in 2007, a 13.4 percent increase from 2006,
> > > > according to preliminary results by Gartner, Inc. The industry ended
> > > > the year with fourth quarter PC shipments of 75.9 million units
> >
> > > > 2,319,000/75,900,000 = 0.0305
> >
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q4'07 = 3.05%
> >
> > > >http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
> > > > fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
> > > > Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
> >
> > > >http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
> > > > STAMFORD, Conn., April 16, 2008 Ð Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1
> > > > million units in the first quarter of 2008
> >
> > > > 2,289,000/71,100,000 = 0.0321
> >
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q1'08 = 3.21%
> >
> > > > Summary:
> >
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q1'07 = 2.41%
> >
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q2'07 = 2.88%
> >
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q3'07 = 3.15%
> >
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q4'07 = 3.05%
> >
> > > > Mac woldwide market share Q1'08 = 3.21%
> >
> > > > Q1'07 comparted to Q1'08
> >
> > > > Mac gain in worldwide market share = 0.8%
> >
> > > "For 1999, Apple ranked eighth in terms of worldwide PC shipments,
> > > with 3.4 percent, up from 3.3 percent the previous year. "
> >
> > >http://www.news.com/Apple-beats-expectations,-splits-stock/2100-1001_....
> > > html
> >
> > >http://www.systemshootouts.org/?q=node/198
> >
> > Edwin, why does it bother you so much that the Mac market share is
> > increasing?
>
> Why is it still at ~3% if it's increasing?
Um, because it had dropped below 3%? Now it is increasing. Indeed, using
the figures you provided, it has increased by 33% in the last year.
>
> > It's not like Windows is going to be eclipsed any time soon,
>
> No, it's not.
Well, you finally got something right...
>
> > so why are you so worried?
>
> Does projecting your worry into me help to soothe your dark soul?
I'm not worried. Why should I be? The company that makes the computer
operating system I prefer is thriving. You, however, seem very worried.
Why?
>
> > To quote Edwin (or was it Glorb? Or perhaps Mr. X? Or, maybe it was
> > Hasta la Vista?) "Your fear is palpable."
>
> Fear of what?
You tell me. You are the one who is acting like he (or is that they) is
afraid.
--
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Edwin
IOW, it's fluctuated above an below 3%, and you're demonstrating why
Maccies have spent years yelling about Mac growth with Mac market
share still stuck around 3%.
Dropping down below 3%, then rising slightly above 3%, then falling
below 3% is not "growth." It is a net gain of zero.
>
> > > It's not like Windows is going to be eclipsed any time soon,
>
> > No, it's not.
>
> Well, you finally got something right...
Yet another of umpteen times a kook like you has told me I "finally
got something right." It's akin to the umpteen times I've been told
I was "right for once."
>
> > > so why are you so worried?
>
> > Does projecting your worry into me help to soothe your dark soul?
>
> I'm not worried.
Sure you are.
> Why should I be?
You fear for your stock dividends.
> The company that makes the computer
> operating system I prefer is thriving.
The company that puts cash into your pocket is thriving.
> You, however, seem very worried.
> Why?
Why are you asking me to explain your delusions?
>
>
> > > To quote Edwin (or was it Glorb? Or perhaps Mr. X? Or, maybe it was
> > > Hasta la Vista?) "Your fear is palpable."
>
> > Fear of what?
>
> You tell me. You are the one who is acting like he (or is that they) is
> afraid.
Again you demand I explain your delusions.
Edwin
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > How much "growth" was there in going down from 3.4% to 3.2%, Sandman?
>
> > I see you lack the intelligence necessary to produce an answer.
>
> The answer was below, but to answer you directly, the growth was an
> impressive 188%! Q1 1999 Apple sold 800,000 Macs and in Q1 2008 they
> sold a whopping 2,300,000 Macs which is an increase of 188% !
Your stupidity-generated answer treats Apple as a world unto itself,
ignoring what a small fraction of the total market they've always
had. IOW, in the world of fleas, Apple is one hell of a flea. Up
above the microscopic level, Apple was insignificant, is
insignificant, and will always be insignificant, despite what Apple
sycophants believe.
> > > 3% of 1999 market to 3% of the 2008 market is an incredible growth in
> > > matters of units sold as well!
>
> > It's always a tiny fraction of the whole market.
>
> But loads and loads of units and revenue.
Good for stockholders. Not good for the people who bore the cost of
paying those high margins.
> > > So not only is the market *SHARE*
> > > growing year over year, the number of units sold is incredibly higher
> > > decade over decade.
>
> > You're living in a Fool's Paradise:
>
> >http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif
>
> You do realise that that chart supports what I just said, no?
I realize you have to be out of your mind to make such a claim.
Sandman
<4c10888f-4059-4ae6...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > Why is it still at ~3% if it's increasing?
> >
> > Um, because it had dropped below 3%? Now it is increasing. Indeed, using
> > the figures you provided, it has increased by 33% in the last year.
>
> IOW, it's fluctuated above an below 3%, and you're demonstrating why
> Maccies have spent years yelling about Mac growth with Mac market
> share still stuck around 3%.
The shares rises and fals, these Maccies presumably mentions it when
it is rising, such as now. I don't think any Maccie has been "yelling"
about Mac growth unless there was some at the time of "yelling".
> Dropping down below 3%, then rising slightly above 3%, then falling
> below 3% is not "growth." It is a net gain of zero.
Actually, the units sold in the same time period has grown by a
whopping 188%. That's growth indeed.
> > > Does projecting your worry into me help to soothe your dark soul?
> >
> > I'm not worried.
>
> Sure you are.
>
> > Why should I be?
>
> You fear for your stock dividends.
Why would an Apple shareholder be worried? The Apple share seems to be
doing really good. Take a look at a stock chart for Apple from 1999 to
2008 and get back to us.
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
<51d8b523-16e4-4212...@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > How much "growth" was there in going down from 3.4% to 3.2%, Sandman?
> >
> > > I see you lack the intelligence necessary to produce an answer.
> >
> > The answer was below, but to answer you directly, the growth was an
> > impressive 188%! Q1 1999 Apple sold 800,000 Macs and in Q1 2008 they
> > sold a whopping 2,300,000 Macs which is an increase of 188% !
>
> Your stupidity-generated answer treats Apple as a world unto itself,
> ignoring what a small fraction of the total market they've always
> had.
With a 188% growth I don't think Apple cares much about the market.
Neither do I. Why is it so important to you? I mean, you'd have a
point if Apple was failing, on the brink of bankruptcy. But they're
doing great, selling like never before, making tons and tons of cash,
worth more than Dell and so on...
> IOW, in the world of fleas, Apple is one hell of a flea. Up
> above the microscopic level, Apple was insignificant, is
> insignificant, and will always be insignificant, despite what Apple
> sycophants believe.
I would love for my company to be as insignificant as Apple, who has
the worlds second most recognizable brand and is worth more than Dell
and has every hardware manufacturer trying to copy its products.
> > > It's always a tiny fraction of the whole market.
> >
> > But loads and loads of units and revenue.
>
> Good for stockholders. Not good for the people who bore the cost of
> paying those high margins.
What high margins?
> > >http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif
> >
> > You do realise that that chart supports what I just said, no?
>
> I realize you have to be out of your mind to make such a claim.
That chart clearly illustrate that year over year market share is
growing. Q1 2008 is larger than Q1 2007.
--
Sandman[.net]
Edwin
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > > How much "growth" was there in going down from 3.4% to 3.2%, Sandman?
>
> > > > I see you lack the intelligence necessary to produce an answer.
>
> > > The answer was below, but to answer you directly, the growth was an
> > > impressive 188%! Q1 1999 Apple sold 800,000 Macs and in Q1 2008 they
> > > sold a whopping 2,300,000 Macs which is an increase of 188% !
>
> > Your stupidity-generated answer treats Apple as a world unto itself,
> > ignoring what a small fraction of the total market they've always
> > had.
>
> With a 188% growth
That leaves Apple with 3.2% of the market, less than what they had in
1999.
> I don't think Apple cares much about the market.
Apple's commercials don't agree with what you think. Neither do the
posts here about Apple moving into business, the enterprise, the
military, etc.
> Neither do I. Why is it so important to you?
Idiots like you always reach this point,when their stupidity is
finally overwhelmingly beat down, and they're left whining "why do you
care?"
> I mean, you'd have a
> point if Apple was failing, on the brink of bankruptcy. But they're
> doing great, selling like never before, making tons and tons of cash,
> worth more than Dell and so on...
I have a point that's loud and clear to anybody who hasn't made Apple,
Inc. the center of their existence.
> > IOW, in the world of fleas, Apple is one hell of a flea. Up
> > above the microscopic level, Apple was insignificant, is
> > insignificant, and will always be insignificant, despite what Apple
> > sycophants believe.
>
> I would love for my company to be as insignificant as Apple, who has
> the worlds second most recognizable brand and is worth more than Dell
> and has every hardware manufacturer trying to copy its products.
What happened to your claim that Apple doesn't care about the market?
> > > > It's always a tiny fraction of the whole market.
>
> > > But loads and loads of units and revenue.
>
> > Good for stockholders. Not good for the people who bore the cost of
> > paying those high margins.
>
> What high margins?
The ones you've been told about for years.
> > > >http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif
>
> > > You do realise that that chart supports what I just said, no?
>
> > I realize you have to be out of your mind to make such a claim.
>
> That chart clearly illustrate that year over year market share is
> growing. Q1 2008 is larger than Q1 2007.
The chart clearly shows Apple's market share has been stuck at around
3% for a decade. 2008 is history repeating itself.
Tim Murray
> It's akin to the umpteen times I've been told
> I was "right for once."
Yes, but that was upteen people saying you were right ... once.
Tim Murray
>
Again you can't answer a question.
weedhopper
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
news:C455B680.BA581%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
He'll run true to form like Alan Baker and the others, and slither away
quietly like a frightened eel.
David Fritzinger
And increasing. Which really, really bugs you, doesn't it?
>
> Dropping down below 3%, then rising slightly above 3%, then falling
> below 3% is not "growth." It is a net gain of zero.
>
But, as you have shown, it has increased 33% in the last year. Apple is
firing on all cylinders, Edwin. Mac sales are increasing. The iPod and
iTunes Music Store dominate their markets, and the iPhone has had a
resoundingly successful launch. All in all, Apple is doing great. And,
that really bugs you, doesn't it?
> >
> > > > It's not like Windows is going to be eclipsed any time soon,
> >
> > > No, it's not.
> >
> > Well, you finally got something right...
>
> Yet another of umpteen times a kook like you has told me I "finally
> got something right." It's akin to the umpteen times I've been told
> I was "right for once."
Well, yes, you probably were right. Once!
8^)
>
> >
> > > > so why are you so worried?
> >
> > > Does projecting your worry into me help to soothe your dark soul?
> >
> > I'm not worried.
>
> Sure you are.
Why should I be? See above.
>
> > Why should I be?
>
> You fear for your stock dividends.
Umm, Apple doesn't pay stock dividends. Never has. It is clear that I
have found yet another thing you are misinformed about.
8^)
>
> > The company that makes the computer
> > operating system I prefer is thriving.
>
> The company that puts cash into your pocket is thriving.
That too. Bugs you, doesn't it?
>
> > You, however, seem very worried.
> > Why?
>
> Why are you asking me to explain your delusions?
Why are you so monomanaiacial on this topic, Edwin? Apple's current
success really worries you, doesn't it? We can feel your fear...
8^)
>
> >
> >
> > > > To quote Edwin (or was it Glorb? Or perhaps Mr. X? Or, maybe it was
> > > > Hasta la Vista?) "Your fear is palpable."
> >
> > > Fear of what?
> >
> > You tell me. You are the one who is acting like he (or is that they) is
> > afraid.
>
> Again you demand I explain your delusions.
I have no delusions. Your posts show that you are afraid of Apple. Why,
I don't know, but you certainly seem to be. Care to explain why?
weedhopper
"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote in message
news:mr-03F528.23...@News.Individual.NET...
> In article
> <4c10888f-4059-4ae6...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> > > Why is it still at ~3% if it's increasing?
>> >
>> > Um, because it had dropped below 3%? Now it is increasing. Indeed,
>> > using
>> > the figures you provided, it has increased by 33% in the last year.
>>
>> IOW, it's fluctuated above an below 3%, and you're demonstrating why
>> Maccies have spent years yelling about Mac growth with Mac market
>> share still stuck around 3%.
>
> The shares rises and fals, these Maccies presumably mentions it when
> it is rising, such as now. I don't think any Maccie has been "yelling"
> about Mac growth unless there was some at the time of "yelling".
>
>> Dropping down below 3%, then rising slightly above 3%, then falling
>> below 3% is not "growth." It is a net gain of zero.
>
> Actually, the units sold in the same time period has grown by a
> whopping 188%. That's growth indeed.
Wow!!! They must be bigger than MS now.
>
Mitch
<aa1c0f6d-67f0-4f74...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> "For 1999, Apple ranked eighth in terms of worldwide PC shipments,
> with 3.4 percent, up from 3.3 percent the previous year. "
>
> http://www.news.com/Apple-beats-expectations,-splits-stock/2100-1001_3-239499.html
Good GOD, Edwin, don't you EVER look at the DATE?
> For 1999, Apple ranked eighth in terms of worldwide PC shipments, with
> 3.4 percent, up from 3.3 percent the previous year.
The articles compares 1999 to 2000 !!!!
In other words, in ONE YEAR, there was an increase from 3.3 to 3.4
percent. Nearly 7 years ago.
Hardly says anything against Apple today, does it?
Do you have any critical data from the last four or five years?
Something that people might think is RELEVANT?
David Fritzinger
Mitch <mi...@hawaii.rr> wrote:
Mitch, he did have pertinent data from the last year, and he was posting
it repeatedly for a couple of days. Until he realized that it showed
that Apple's market share had increased 33% in the last year. It was at
that point that he moved the goalposts and started comparing 2008 with
1999.
Snit
No doubt. No doubt at all. But he will then bad-mouth me in his .sig for
the next few *months* because I dared to prove him wrong.
Whatever.
--
When thinking changes your mind, that's philosophy.
When God changes your mind, that's faith.
When facts change your mind, that's science.
Sandman
<6017353a-08c6-40e3...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > Your stupidity-generated answer treats Apple as a world unto itself,
> > > ignoring what a small fraction of the total market they've always
> > > had.
> >
> > With a 188% growth
>
> That leaves Apple with 3.2% of the market, less than what they had in
> 1999.
But with 188% more units sold.
> > I don't think Apple cares much about the market.
>
> Apple's commercials don't agree with what you think. Neither do the
> posts here about Apple moving into business, the enterprise, the
> military, etc.
Well, Apple isn't posting here, and their commercials doesn't seem to
be focused on market share either.
> > Neither do I. Why is it so important to you?
>
> Idiots like you always reach this point,when their stupidity is
> finally overwhelmingly beat down, and they're left whining "why do you
> care?"
No, I'm genuinely curious why market share is so important to you.
Your diversion with insults says more than you may think.
> > I mean, you'd have a
> > point if Apple was failing, on the brink of bankruptcy. But they're
> > doing great, selling like never before, making tons and tons of cash,
> > worth more than Dell and so on...
>
> I have a point that's loud and clear to anybody who hasn't made Apple,
> Inc. the center of their existence.
So, who are the recipients of your "point" since the ones that you're
discussing it with apparently can't see it?
> > > IOW, in the world of fleas, Apple is one hell of a flea. Up
> > > above the microscopic level, Apple was insignificant, is
> > > insignificant, and will always be insignificant, despite what Apple
> > > sycophants believe.
> >
> > I would love for my company to be as insignificant as Apple, who has
> > the worlds second most recognizable brand and is worth more than Dell
> > and has every hardware manufacturer trying to copy its products.
>
> What happened to your claim that Apple doesn't care about the market?
It's just fine, thanks. Why?
> > > Good for stockholders. Not good for the people who bore the cost of
> > > paying those high margins.
> >
> > What high margins?
>
> The ones you've been told about for years.
Ah, are you in reference to the lies about the margins you were proved
wrong about, but kept claiming was true? These ones:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/800658aaa0849
d95>
> > > > >http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif
> >
> > > > You do realise that that chart supports what I just said, no?
> >
> > > I realize you have to be out of your mind to make such a claim.
> >
> > That chart clearly illustrate that year over year market share is
> > growing. Q1 2008 is larger than Q1 2007.
>
> The chart clearly shows Apple's market share has been stuck at around
> 3% for a decade. 2008 is history repeating itself.
No one is arguing that, but the claim that it has grown 33% in a year
is supported by the chart.
--
Sandman[.net]
Mitch
<m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> No, I'm genuinely curious why market share is so important to you.
AFAIK, he's never talked about this. Apparently, he just assumes it
penetrates deeply and hurts people to hear it.
> > I have a point that's loud and clear to anybody who hasn't made Apple,
> > Inc. the center of their existence.
>
> So, who are the recipients of your "point" since the ones that you're
> discussing it with apparently can't see it?
I don't know why he would think we aren't seeing it -- we keep agreeing.
He is just assuming, like Muah and others, that market share means
something to users. He just can't elucidate what he thinks the point
is.
> > > That chart clearly illustrate that year over year market share is
> > > growing. Q1 2008 is larger than Q1 2007.
> >
> > The chart clearly shows Apple's market share has been stuck at around
> > 3% for a decade. 2008 is history repeating itself.
>
> No one is arguing that, but the claim that it has grown 33% in a year
> is supported by the chart.
And that it has doubled in four years is supported by the chart.
But he isn't looking for MORE information in the chart -- he's looking
for what he thinks is most damaging to us.
So tell us, Edwin, WHY market share is supposed to mean so much to us.
Is it because you think market share is a sign of quality?
Is it because you think low market share signals bad products or
mistakes?
Is it because you think whoever buys the product with a big market
share is 'winning'?
Do you associate yourself with 'winners' because you bought into that
product?
Do you think market share is like a badge of belonging?
Do you think consumers should buy products based on their market share?
Come on, SOMETHING has got to generate a _reason_ out of you!
stilicho
>
> > > BTW, Mac may have only 3% of the world wide sales, but their profit is
> > > 50% of Microsoft's (something like that, I don't recall the exact
> > > figures).
>
>
> > AAPL net income 4.35 billion
> > MSFT net income 16.42 billion.
>
> Did you realize that net income isn't the same as profit?
Thank you. I was going to try to find the source of that statistic
(admittedly rough).
However, even if we use those figures, it's still 25%, much greater
than the supposed 3% "market share" of Apple.
The Mac inroads into Windows territory are occurring at the high end.
It doesn't mean that Microsoft would make 4.62 billion extra if they
controlled that segment, too, because Apple sells hardware and
Microsoft doesn't. But the clientele is upscale, not one you'd lose
willingly. As for Linux, its inroads into the low end of Windows
territory don't directly deprive Microsoft of much revenue, but they
do force Microsoft to keep their prices down and to keep supporting
old OS's longer than they would otherwise. So that costs them. Also
forces them into markets they wouldn't bother with otherwise, like
OLPC (no money to be made from poor countries, you know).
Alan Baker
<aa1c0f6d-67f0-4f74...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
"Hasta La Vista" <noe...@all.to.me> wrote:
Nothing of much importance.
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"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
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nospamatall
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=503816
> million unitsin the first quarter of 2007
>
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
> million units in the first quarter of 2008
> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = 0.0321
2,289,000 - 1,517,000 = 772,000 = 33.7% increase
71,100,000 - 62,700,000 = 8,400,000 = 13.4% increase
It all depends on what point you're trying to make. I think any company
would be pleased with results like Apples have been recently. What is
your point? That the mac's market share is small?
Does that matter to you?
Andy
nospamatall
> Appil Asstroturfer Edwin wrote on behalf of Marketing Department of Appil
> Corportion:
>
>> h
>
> BWAHAhHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
>
> Poor appil crap twats!!!
>
> In the mean time Linux sells 1 million+ embedded
> Linux gadgets PER DAY!!!
>
> Linux also gains at least 1 million+ Linux desktop installs PER WEEK.
>
> It is interesting that there are lots of reasons now to ditch appil
> corporation crap and go buy a cheap PC and move to Linux.
> Particularly for students.
Only if they need the !!! and ??? keys for something. The rest of us can
just hit ! or ? three times. With macs and PCs it's great because
sometimes you might only need one.
> See for example http://www.youtube.com and search for ubuntu + compiz
> for videos of latest Linux offerings.
> It is superior technology to Appil crapola and its free.
> I can't even begin to feel the shame of Appil marketing department
> when they ask money for their crapola when so much Linux is out
> there beating them for the money.
> For students, things like xmaxima can be downloaded using synaptic
> that allows equations to be solved algebraically!!!!
> Or use QCad to draw in 2D. Or use K3d to model objects in 3D and view it,
> edit it etc. Or use Gambas2 to write full GUI software free of charge
> and distribution encumberances. Or play games like Nexuiz.
> Linux has the fastest frame rate / highest resolution envelope for
> gaming. And its all free!!!
>
> http://www.livecdlist.com
> http://www.distrowatch.com
> http://www.ubuntu.com
Mitch
<nospa...@iol.ie> wrote:
> > Poor appil crap twats!!!
'7' is stupid enough that he thinks this misspelling makes OTHER people
look dumb.
> > In the mean time Linux sells 1 million+ embedded
> > Linux gadgets PER DAY!!!
Who sells it?
I mean, yes, this might be true, but WHO is selling it? Why? And who
benefits from having it sold that way, or on so many devices?
NO ONE.
> > Linux also gains at least 1 million+ Linux desktop installs PER WEEK.
This is about as stupid as any advocacy claim can get.
It's on the level with Microsoft PR claims!
> > It is interesting that there are lots of reasons now to ditch appil
> > corporation crap and go buy a cheap PC and move to Linux.
> > Particularly for students.
>
> Only if they need the !!! and ??? keys for something. The rest of us can
> just hit ! or ? three times. With macs and PCs it's great because
> sometimes you might only need one.
It's just weird; this guy insists Apple is making crap, but he
advocates buying cheapie low-end hardware.
Meanwhile, most of the rest of us see the hardware as being of the same
general type everywhere, except that Apple is using the best of it, and
just not selling low-end stuff.
So it seems '7' insists people should be buying the least impressive,
lowest-performing junk available and installing a hobby OS -- because
if you buy Apple's stuff you'll get a comprehensive and well-designed
OS with great-performing hardware.
Does that sound like a problem?
Mitch
<nospa...@iol.ie> wrote:
> 2,289,000 - 1,517,000 = 772,000 = 33.7% increase
> 71,100,000 - 62,700,000 = 8,400,000 = 13.4% increase
>
> It all depends on what point you're trying to make. I think any company
> would be pleased with results like Apples have been recently. What is
> your point? That the mac's market share is small?
>
> Does that matter to you?
>
> Andy
It really seems to, but he hasn't been able to explain why.
He just assumes it is obvious to everyone that we need Apple to have a
much larger market share, and that it's a huge problem if it doesn't.
He is so convinced that market share is the only significant
measurement of anything, that he cannot even express why or how it is
supposed to be so.
Sandman
> Edwin wrote:
> > http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
> > fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
> > Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
> >
> > http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=503816
> > STAMFORD, Conn., April 18, 2007 ‹ Worldwide PC shipments totaled 62.7
> > million unitsin the first quarter of 2007
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
> > fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
> > Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
> >
> > http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
> > STAMFORD, Conn., April 16, 2008 ‹ Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1
> > million units in the first quarter of 2008
> > 1,517,000/62,700,000 = 0.0241
> > 2,289,000/71,100,000 = 0.0321
>
> 2,289,000 - 1,517,000 = 772,000 = 33.7% increase
> 71,100,000 - 62,700,000 = 8,400,000 = 13.4% increase
Actually, 772,000 is a 51% increase from 1,517,000
You got the second number right, though.
> It all depends on what point you're trying to make. I think any company
> would be pleased with results like Apples have been recently. What is
> your point? That the mac's market share is small?
>
> Does that matter to you?
>
> Andy
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weedhopper
"Mitch" <mi...@hawaii.rr> wrote in message
news:200520080000247443%mi...@hawaii.rr...
The problem is that an Apple system will cost him three to four times the
money, for an only marginal gain.
Alan Baker
> Edwin wrote:
> > http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
> > fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
> > Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
> >
> > http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=503816
> > STAMFORD, Conn., April 18, 2007 ‹ Worldwide PC shipments totaled 62.7
> > million unitsin the first quarter of 2007
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
> > fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
> > Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
> >
> > http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
> > STAMFORD, Conn., April 16, 2008 ‹ Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1
> > million units in the first quarter of 2008
> > 1,517,000/62,700,000 = 0.0241
> > 2,289,000/71,100,000 = 0.0321
>
> 2,289,000 - 1,517,000 = 772,000 = 33.7% increase
50.9%, actually.
> 71,100,000 - 62,700,000 = 8,400,000 = 13.4% increase
But remember that the Macs themselves are counted in there.
Try this (figures in thousands):
((71,100 - 2,289) - (62,700 - 1,517)) / 62,700) = 12.5%
So when you compare the Macs growth to every PC *but* the Mac, the Mac
is growing four times as fast.
>
> It all depends on what point you're trying to make. I think any company
> would be pleased with results like Apples have been recently. What is
> your point? That the mac's market share is small?
>
> Does that matter to you?
>
> Andy
--
nospamatall
Yes I thought of that but it was late and I couldn't be bothered... He
wasn't going to take any notice anyway. Glad you did it though.
I think the turn-around generally has been amazing so far.
Andy
Mark Kent
You're quite right. Apples margins are rather better than MS's. I'm
not sure that many Apple users would seriously consider a move to MS, in
fact, many of them have stayed with Apple for many years in order to
stay off MS machines...
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