Liars, Damn Liars, and Mac Advocates
Edwin
Mac Advocates will tell you that Mac market share has increased by 33%
or more. Yet their worldwide figure is always at around 3%.
Here's how they do it:
Take Apple's Q1'07 sales of 1,517,000 Macs and compare them to Q1'08
sales of 2,289,000 Macs.
Wow, a 33% increase, right?
Until you stop to consider that increase was a small part of the
expansion of the entire market:
Worldwide PC shipments totaled 62.7
million units in the first quarter of 2007
Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1
million units in the first quarter of 2008
IOW, the market expanded by 8.4 million units, while the number of
Macs went up by 772,000.
Apple's share of the market increase = 9.19%
Mac worldwide market share 1999 = 3.4%
Mac worldwide market share Q1'08 = 3.2%
This chart says it all:
Sandman
<959319c8-ab6e-4a95...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> Mac Advocates will tell you that Mac market share has increased by 33%
> or more. Yet their worldwide figure is always at around 3%.
Is it 3% or is it "around 3%"?
> Here's how they do it:
>
> Take Apple's Q1'07 sales of 1,517,000 Macs and compare them to Q1'08
> sales of 2,289,000 Macs.
>
> Wow, a 33% increase, right?
How's you math, Edwin? The difference is 772,000 units, which is 51%
of 1,517,000, which makes it a 51% increase in number of units sold.
> Until you stop to consider that increase was a small part of the
> expansion of the entire market:
>
> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 62.7
> million units in the first quarter of 2007
>
> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1
> million units in the first quarter of 2008
>
> IOW, the market expanded by 8.4 million units, while the number of
> Macs went up by 772,000.
>
> Apple's share of the market increase = 9.19%
Exactly, in the units sold (i.e. new units) from q1 2007 to q1 2008,
apples market share is 9%, not 3%. That's pretty good news, Edwin!
Thanks for sharing! That's probably why Apples market share of the
installed base went up by 33% in the same time period.
9% of worldwide sales, impressive! Soon to be double digit mayhaps? :)
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Linonut
> This chart says it all:
>
> http://www.systemshootouts.org/?q=3Dnode/198
"Page not found"
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Moshe Goldfarb
> Mac Advocates will tell you that Mac market share has increased by 33%
> or more. Yet their worldwide figure is always at around 3%.
Linux users will tell you that Linux is being installed on millions of
desktops each week.
Yet Linux still hovers at 0.6 percent of the desktop market.
--
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Edwin
> * Edwin peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
> > This chart says it all:
>
> >http://www.systemshootouts.org/?q=3Dnode/198
>
> "Page not found"
http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif
Edwin
Edwin
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 04:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Edwin wrote:
> > Mac Advocates will tell you that Mac market share has increased by 33%
> > or more. Yet their worldwide figure is always at around 3%.
>
> Linux users will tell you that Linux is being installed on millions of
> desktops each week.
I believe them.
> Yet Linux still hovers at 0.6 percent of the desktop market.
The market only tracks sales.
Edwin
> In article
> <959319c8-ab6e-4a95-8a76-6388674fe...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > Mac Advocates will tell you that Mac market share has increased by 33%
> > or more. Yet their worldwide figure is always at around 3%.
>
> Is it 3% or is it "around 3%"?
It hovers above and below 3.0%
> > Here's how they do it:
>
> > Take Apple's Q1'07 sales of 1,517,000 Macs and compare them to Q1'08
> > sales of 2,289,000 Macs.
>
> > Wow, a 33% increase, right?
>
> How's you math, Edwin? The difference is 772,000 units, which is 51%
> of 1,517,000, which makes it a 51% increase in number of units sold.
I took someone else's word, but you're just making it worse for Mac
Advocates. Thanks.
> > Until you stop to consider that increase was a small part of the
> > expansion of the entire market:
>
> > Worldwide PC shipments totaled 62.7
> > million units in the first quarter of 2007
>
> > Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1
> > million units in the first quarter of 2008
>
> > IOW, the market expanded by 8.4 million units, while the number of
> > Macs went up by 772,000.
>
> > Apple's share of the market increase = 9.19%
>
> Exactly, in the units sold (i.e. new units) from q1 2007 to q1 2008,
> apples market share is 9%, not 3%.
Apple got 9% of the increase, they only have 3.2% of the total.
> That's pretty good news, Edwin!
If you're stupid enough to believe that.
> Thanks for sharing! That's probably why Apples market share of the
> installed base went up by 33% in the same time period.
Your ass must really hurt after you pulled that out of it.
> 9% of worldwide sales, impressive! Soon to be double digit mayhaps? :)
Your unflinching stupidity is indeed impressive, but not in a good
way.
http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif
Sandman
<4c4a7b45-fa96-4a81...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > Mac Advocates will tell you that Mac market share has increased by 33%
> > > or more. Yet their worldwide figure is always at around 3%.
> >
> > Is it 3% or is it "around 3%"?
>
> It hovers above and below 3.0%
Ah, so it's not 3%, it's "around 3%", which could be a span of, say,
2.41% and 3.21%? Which, of course, is a difference of 33%! Impressive.
> > > Here's how they do it:
> >
> > > Take Apple's Q1'07 sales of 1,517,000 Macs and compare them to Q1'08
> > > sales of 2,289,000 Macs.
> >
> > > Wow, a 33% increase, right?
> >
> > How's you math, Edwin? The difference is 772,000 units, which is 51%
> > of 1,517,000, which makes it a 51% increase in number of units sold.
>
> I took someone else's word, but you're just making it worse for Mac
> Advocates. Thanks.
So, going from a 33% increase to a 51% increase makes it *worse*? How?
Or are you in reference to the 33% difference between the market share
numbers above and just used the same number for any difference in Mac
numbers? :)
> > Exactly, in the units sold (i.e. new units) from q1 2007 to q1 2008,
> > apples market share is 9%, not 3%.
>
> Apple got 9% of the increase
Exactly, pretty impressive :)
> > Thanks for sharing! That's probably why Apples market share of the
> > installed base went up by 33% in the same time period.
>
> Your ass must really hurt after you pulled that out of it.
Did it when you posted the numbers?
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64349aa4-cea0-40ec...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com on 5/18/08
9:03 AM:
The 0.6% figure is actually from user base approximations. I have seen
others put Linux as high as 0.8%, I think one even had it at about 0.85%.
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Snit
4:49 AM:
The other page you showed made it clear they went from under 2% to over 3%:
<http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif>
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Edwin
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > Mac Advocates will tell you that Mac market share has increased by 33%
> > > > or more. Yet their worldwide figure is always at around 3%.
>
> > > Is it 3% or is it "around 3%"?
>
> > It hovers above and below 3.0%
>
> Ah, so it's not 3%, it's "around 3%", which could be a span of, say,
> 2.41% and 3.21%? Which, of course, is a difference of 33%! Impressive.
>
> > > > Here's how they do it:
>
> > > > Take Apple's Q1'07 sales of 1,517,000 Macs and compare them to Q1'08
> > > > sales of 2,289,000 Macs.
>
> > > > Wow, a 33% increase, right?
>
> > > How's you math, Edwin? The difference is 772,000 units, which is 51%
> > > of 1,517,000, which makes it a 51% increase in number of units sold.
>
> > I took someone else's word, but you're just making it worse for Mac
> > Advocates. Thanks.
>
> So, going from a 33% increase to a 51% increase makes it *worse*? How?
Now you've got to explain how a 51% increase left you with only 3.2%
of the market instead of explaining the same for a 33% increase.
> Or are you in reference to the 33% difference between the market share
> numbers above and just used the same number for any difference in Mac
> numbers? :)
How is it answering you just leaves you with more stupid questions to
ask?
> > > Exactly, in the units sold (i.e. new units) from q1 2007 to q1 2008,
> > > apples market share is 9%, not 3%.
>
> > Apple got 9% of the increase
>
> Exactly, pretty impressive :)
An impressive pimple on the ass of the market.
> > > Thanks for sharing! That's probably why Apples market share of the
> > > installed base went up by 33% in the same time period.
>
> > Your ass must really hurt after you pulled that out of it.
>
> Did it when you posted the numbers?
Yes, the numbers hurt your ass so bad I could hear you screaming all
the way from Sweden. My numbers really reamed you out.
http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif
More pain for you.
Chance Furlong
<7422ae0e-17b2-4287...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> An impressive pimple on the ass of the market.
That is no way to talk about Microskank, Eddie.
Or are you finally speaking the truth?
Sandman
<7422ae0e-17b2-4287...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > Mac Advocates will tell you that Mac market share has increased by 33%
> > > > > or more. Yet their worldwide figure is always at around 3%.
> >
> > > > Is it 3% or is it "around 3%"?
> >
> > > It hovers above and below 3.0%
> >
> > Ah, so it's not 3%, it's "around 3%", which could be a span of, say,
> > 2.41% and 3.21%? Which, of course, is a difference of 33%! Impressive.
> >
> > > > > Here's how they do it:
> >
> > > > > Take Apple's Q1'07 sales of 1,517,000 Macs and compare them to Q1'08
> > > > > sales of 2,289,000 Macs.
> >
> > > > > Wow, a 33% increase, right?
> >
> > > > How's you math, Edwin? The difference is 772,000 units, which is 51%
> > > > of 1,517,000, which makes it a 51% increase in number of units sold.
> >
> > > I took someone else's word, but you're just making it worse for Mac
> > > Advocates. Thanks.
> >
> > So, going from a 33% increase to a 51% increase makes it *worse*? How?
>
> Now you've got to explain how a 51% increase left you with only 3.2%
> of the market instead of explaining the same for a 33% increase.
Uh? You're not following along, Edwin.
Macs sold goes from 1,517,000 to 2,289,000 which is a 51% increase.
Apples market share goes from 2.41% to 3.21% which is a 33% increase.
I.e. a 51% increase in units sold yielded a 33% growth in a growing
market.
> > Or are you in reference to the 33% difference between the market share
> > numbers above and just used the same number for any difference in Mac
> > numbers? :)
>
> How is it answering you just leaves you with more stupid questions to
> ask?
How is it questioning you just leaves you with nothing but answers?
> > > > Exactly, in the units sold (i.e. new units) from q1 2007 to q1 2008,
> > > > apples market share is 9%, not 3%.
> >
> > > Apple got 9% of the increase
> >
> > Exactly, pretty impressive :)
>
> An impressive pimple on the ass of the market.
Nevertheless, 9% is impressive. Whether you agree isn't important. I
think its impressive.
> > > > Thanks for sharing! That's probably why Apples market share of the
> > > > installed base went up by 33% in the same time period.
> >
> > > Your ass must really hurt after you pulled that out of it.
> >
> > Did it when you posted the numbers?
>
> Yes, the numbers hurt your ass so bad I could hear you screaming all
> the way from Sweden. My numbers really reamed you out.
>
> http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif
>
> More pain for you.
Exactly, Apples market share of the installed base went up 33%, did it
hurt you?
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Mitch
<m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> > Now you've got to explain how a 51% increase left you with only 3.2%
> > of the market instead of explaining the same for a 33% increase.
>
> Uh? You're not following along, Edwin.
>
> Macs sold goes from 1,517,000 to 2,289,000 which is a 51% increase.
> Apples market share goes from 2.41% to 3.21% which is a 33% increase.
>
> I.e. a 51% increase in units sold yielded a 33% growth in a growing
> market.
No, he's not going to get that.
he's having trouble with his own math, like the 'around 3 %' part that
you just explained still supported what everybody has been saying.
He can't figure how 'growth' isn't determined only by market share.
I wonder -- maybe if we talk only in UNITS, he'll start finding the
math easier. Ahg, but he'll lose the option to keep poking market share
numbers, which seems to be his only purpose.
Alan Baker
> Mac Advocates will tell you that Mac market share has increased by 33%
> or more. Yet their worldwide figure is always at around 3%.
>
> Here's how they do it:
>
> Take Apple's Q1'07 sales of 1,517,000 Macs and compare them to Q1'08
> sales of 2,289,000 Macs.
>
> Wow, a 33% increase, right?
No, actually. You're also apparently innumerate.
From 1,517,000 to 2,289,000 is a 51% increase.
>
> Until you stop to consider that increase was a small part of the
> expansion of the entire market:
>
> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 62.7
> million units in the first quarter of 2007
>
> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1
> million units in the first quarter of 2008
An increase of 13%.
>
> IOW, the market expanded by 8.4 million units, while the number of
> Macs went up by 772,000.
IOW, the Mac outgrew the overall market by nearly four to one.
>
> Apple's share of the market increase = 9.19%
Which reflects that.
Take Apple's sales out of the overall figures.
Worldwide PC shipments less Macs Q1'07: 61.2 million
Worldwide PC shipments less Macs Q1'8: 68.8 million
So worldwide shipments of personal computers *other* than Macs grew by
only 12% and the Mac outgrew that by *more* than four to one.
>
> Mac worldwide market share 1999 = 3.4%
And it dropped even lower.
> Mac worldwide market share Q1'08 = 3.2%
And now it's been grow
>
> This chart says it all:
>
> http://www.systemshootouts.org/?q=3Dnode/198
"Page not found"
But the chart you mean to include shows the Macs share has been growing
steadily for four years now.
<http://www.systemshootouts.org/images/mac_sales_market_share_lg.gif>
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Alan Baker
<64349aa4-cea0-40ec...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
"Mr. X" <Mr...@xyz.com> wrote:
This tracks usage:
<http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9>
weedhopper
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The old trick that only weasels use, Apple sales are second, MS sales are
next to the last.