Once evvery five years? :-o
If that's an issue, buy SLES with expanded maintenance, good for 7 or
more years, I don't know exactly.
> You CAN update Stretch to Buster - I somehow managed to
> do it ACCIDENTLY on one box while trying to get the latest
> version of some program. But it was not without any downstream
> issues. That was a trivial box however, not something the company
> and dozens of people relied on every hour of every day. For some
> it will be companieS, and thousands of people and Big money.
> Can't play around. It's a reason why, in the age of cheaper
> hardware, to stay away from VMs. One job, one box (and a
> mirror box). I've had horrible luck with VMs over the year - and
> one bad chip means you've just lost the equivalent of two,
> five, ten, servers all at once. No $$$ today ...
>>> Give me something that needs minimal work for FIVE
>>> years or TEN years - let's say until well after I retire.
>>> C8 was supposed to be that system, but now ......
>> IMO, TW is not that.
> Well, that's the kind of input I was looking for.
> Now Centos isn't "no work" either ... the question is
> whether for most common purposes TW is much
> worse, or seriously less capable.
It depends on who you ask :-)
It has many people that love it. Specially developers.
TW is very capable. People are using it on production. But it is a
rolling distro on the edge. Mind the later, it is the development
version. It is where changes are applied first. Tested, yes, but applied.
It follows the Linux mantra of "update often" (cathedral and the bazaar,
So, every week you get a "release" of sorts. Mostly minor changes, but
sometimes this or that will suffer a mayor change. Some configuration
changes. Something will migrate to /usr or whatever. You have to be
paying attention and following the mail list to be aware of what will
change next week.
> Thing is, I have to start making some serious decisions
> like Real Soon Now. Lots of people do. Centos is going
> down the garbage chute. Its future is writ. Some are
> working on their own RHEL clones, but they are still
> basically alpha, no better than what Centos is becoming.
> I wouldn't dare host an intra-office mail server on them.
> OS/TW is far more stable and developed and can use
> most of the familiar RPMs out there.
>>> As I mentioned to someone here, three recent attempts to
>>> go from US18.04 to US20.04 ALL crashed out badly about
>>> halfway through. Lucky I had multiple terminal windows
>>> open and could force all the final updates a bit at a time
>>> before daring to reboot. This is NOT inspirational. 16->18
>>> went much smoother.
>>>> In contrast, TW is upgrading every week, very minor things but very
>>>> often. Now an then, there are drastic changes on this or that. Many
>>>> people have production machines with TW and are very happy, but some
>>>> times there are breakages. Just follow the mail lists to know about things.
>>> I always expect minor issues, and am never disappointed :-)
>> This week, people are reporting upgrades of 3000 packages on their TW
>> machines :-)
>> (It is upgrade every week and reboot)
> So long as the upgrades WORK.
You will never know for sure. The updates are tested, but "only" those
that somebody thought and wrote a test. There are many many tests. You
may hit something new that has not been found yet and you are the one
that reports it. Thank you for reporting it, by the way ;-)
If postfix get a major change upstream that changes the main.cf
be called now "principal.cf
" because the developer is now Spanish, well,
you will get that change :-p
And the next week, apache does a major version change, by default it
serves from /server, not /srv.
Then, the next week it is systemd which does a minor change that changes
when timers trigger.
Don't forget libc changes. Or kernel major versions.
I don't know you, but I prefer to suffer configuration changes when I
want to, not any random week.
> SO far, no real TW issues worth mentioning.
> But pretty quick my C8 "upgrade" will be an upgrade
> to tons of alpha code. Can't go there.