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Linux-Activists Digest #489, Volume #3 Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:45:15 EST

Contents:
Re: help with pcomm and rz (Emmet P. Gray)
Looking for Jim Wenzel (Andrew F Gunnesch)
Re: (*) ##Graphic Cards supported by Linux## (Juhana Kouhia)
Re: Linux/386BSD on Compaq Deskpro 386/25 (Doug Anson)
SLS bug warning (Peter MacDonald)
Re: Some interesting Novice Questions (not found in FAQ) (James Michael Chacon)
Re: MAXTOR (Matt Welsh)
Re: Some interesting Novice Questions (not found in FAQ) (Jonathan Magid)
Re: Do I have to clear DOS partition? (James Michael Chacon)
Re: Olvwm: Anybody played with it? (Operator (Phil/Dylan))
UUCP/SMAIL/ETC.. Needed for Linux (Sami-Pekka Hallikas)
Re: TeX/xdvi Question. (Johan Whlin)
Re: DVI program for Epson 9- or 24-pin printer? (Steven McKay)
GETTYDEF/UUCP Help Needed! ("William L. Mullica")
Re: MAXTOR (fou...@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU)

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From: eg...@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Emmet P. Gray)
Subject: Re: help with pcomm and rz
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:19:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.1...@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> hymo...@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:
|i'm using pcomm 1.2.4 and rz 1.21 05-16-87 on my machine. i can receive
|zmodem with no problem, but i can't get pcomm to return to terminal
|mode after the receive is complete. i looked through the docs, and
|didn't see anything other than 'hit return to continue.'
|
|does anyone else have this problem? do i need a different rz? compile
|options? i really don't want to switch back to minicom - pcomm is much
|more pleasant, i think...

Just for your information, the current version of Pcomm is v2.0.1
(meaning version 2.0 at patch level 1). Patch #2 will be coming out in
a few days...

Pcomm v2.0 was sent to the moderator of comp.sources.unix on 20 Jul 92,
but I don't expect it to appear there any time soon. Patch #1 was
posted to comp.sources.bugs.

Unfortunately, my normal archive site is down (and probably won't be
back, at least not for that purpose), so I've placed the code in the
/tmp/pcomm directory on ftp.uu.net.

Emmet P. Gray US Army, HQ III Corps & Fort Hood
...!uunet!uiucuxc!fthood!egray Attn: AFZF-DE-ENV
fthood!eg...@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu Directorate of Engineering & Housing
Environmental Management Office
Fort Hood, TX 76544-5057

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From: af...@engin.umich.edu (Andrew F Gunnesch)
Subject: Looking for Jim Wenzel
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 12:38:48 EST

I've been going through some data and found that I lost Jim's
email address. I need to contact him. Jim, if you're reading
this or anybody else who knows his email address, please let
me know asap.

--andrew
--
Andrew F. Gunnesch /-\ "I disapprove of what you say, but I will
af...@caen.engin.umich.edu | | __ __ __ defend to the death
==> Evil CAEN sysadmin <== |===| |__| | | | | | | your right to say
What? I just work here | | | |__| |__ |__ |__| it." --Voltaire

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From: jk8...@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Subject: Re: (*) ##Graphic Cards supported by Linux##
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:20:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov04....@rz.uni-jena.de> p...@rz.uni-jena.de
(Frank Klemm) writes:
|
|Which graphic card are currently supported by Linux. Which information
|is neccesary to support a special graphic mode. First a function initializing
|the selected mode... and then???

I read subject-lines first from this newsgroup, then I
read interesting announces and periodical postings.

If you request something, would you please use '?'-characters
in the subject line? Or use question-type sentence in the subject
line (for example, "What GC are supported..")?

The subject "(*) ##Graphic Cards supported by Linux##"
does look like the article contains a list of graphics cards.

Juhana Kouhia

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
From: dan...@lgc.com (Doug Anson)
Subject: Re: Linux/386BSD on Compaq Deskpro 386/25
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:43:40 GMT

In article <id.L9...@ferranti.com>, pe...@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
|> I'm considering buying a used Compaq Deskpro 386/25. I'll be using a Maxtor
|> XT4380E or Miniscribe 9380E with an as yet undetermined ESDI controller. Has
|> anyone run Linux or 386BSD on a similar platform? What sort of controller
|> would work best in this environment (don't say SCSI, I have a good deal on
|> the drive)? What sort of things should I be watching out for?
|> --
|> % Peter da Silva % 77487-5012 % +1 713 274 5180 % Har du kramat din varg idag?
|> (<<VV$@\\$'&O 9$O%'$LT$&$"V6"$&$<4$?'&$ #I&&?$=$444@)24 24 scale newpath/P true
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|> sub P{rlineto}{rmoveto}ifelse}ifelse}forall stroke showpage % `-_-'

I have 386BSD :) working fine on a Compaq Deskpro 386/20 with their standard
ESDI controller an a miniscribe drive. I did have some problems making a custom
partition for swap but the standard install works fine.

I may have goofed the custom installation attempt -- I still dunno what went
wrong or why -- the jest of it was that, after installing a custom partition
(20 Mb swap, / and /usr partitions...) and transfered the Fixit floppy (std
distr), the machine would partially boot off of the hard drive (you'd see the
banner, all the interfaces up to and including npx0 but then nothing else).

I am currently running the standard install configuration very nicely.

Doug
--
===========================================
Doug Anson
Internet: dan...@lgc.com
Phone: 713.560.1274
FAX: 713.560.1277
SNAIL: Landmark Graphics Corporation LGC
15150 Memorial Drive
Houston, TX 77079
===========================================

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From: pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald)
Subject: SLS bug warning
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:12:36 GMT

Ooops. It seems the last patch to SLS is causing a permissions
problem. Namely, "permission denied" all over the place for non
root. The solution?

chmod go+r /.

Sorry. I will try to fix it in the dist, asap.

Peter

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From: prob...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Subject: Re: Some interesting Novice Questions (not found in FAQ)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 12:01:28 -0600

ding...@igd.fhg.de (Dennis Dingeldein) writes:

|Hi!
|Here are some question of a Linux-novice. Please post me your
|opinion(s), even if you want to answer just one question.
|Every mail is apprechiated, if there is a large echo I'll summarize.

|1) Would you state that Linux is good enough to buy a PC just to run
| Linux/X11 on it ?

Yes, depending on the applications you need to use it for. If you
are just needing word processing I don't know. But, if you need a
multi-tasking multi-user environment I would have to say yes.

|2) Is a 15'' Monitor (1024x768ni, >80Hz) "good" enough to read the X11
| default fonts of X11 ? Or is 15'' a pain ?

15" is getting low, but should be fine for reading the fonts on. Hell, at
school with the nice 16" monitors we have for the IPC's I use the 6x10
font and love it.

|3) Does Linux support Local Bus Architectures ?

Depending on what you put on the bus yes. I have heard some video or
disk controllers have problems though.

|4) There is a S3 X Server 0.0. Is it a good idea to buy a S3 card
| or will this server work only with some (a few) S3 cards, but not with
| the most/all cards ? (the low speed of 0.0 would be no problem, I believe
| that will change in the next months)

Right now from what I understand the S3 server only works with a few cards.
This should change as more of these cards become common in default setups.

|5) Is it a good idea to use one singe efs-partition of lets say 200 MB
| for all the Linux stuff ? Are there disadvantages for this efs solution
| (efs=extended file system) compared to a set of "usual fs" partitions ?

I caution against using the efs for any important data. I used it
for a while for my root and /usr partitions and found that when put under
heavy usage. (Lots of compiling usually) that race conditions would show
up where blocks were getting missallocated and directory entrys were
getting bad entrys.

|6) I noticed that mkefs failed ("not enough memory") to make a 160MByte
| efs on a 486 with 4MB memory. Is there a work around (besides using
| another partition as swap partition...). 140MB worked well (as I
| remember)

Don't know why this would happen with mkefs.

|Dennis
|--

James

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From: m...@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: MAXTOR
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:03:07 GMT

In article <jrsellec.720951453@syzygy> jrse...@socs.uts.edu.au (91066720 j r selleck) writes:
| was wondering if Linux gets along with a 213 Mb Maxtor Hd.
|
| Any way I was looking at getting a MAXTOR HD it is 213 Megs and has a 15 ms access time..`

I use a Maxtor 7213A IDE 15ms 213 meg drive in a Linux box with no problems.
Others may have reported trouble with this drive; the box this drive is in is
a 386SX/16mhz, 4 megs ram.

mdw

--
Matt Welsh m...@tc.cornell.edu +1 607 253 2737
Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
"She's like jelly roll, like sculpture!"

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From: j...@calypso.uucp (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: Some interesting Novice Questions (not found in FAQ)
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:58:08 GMT

In article <dingelde.720952611@jocki> ding...@igd.fhg.de (Dennis Dingeldein) writes:
|1) Would you state that Linux is good enough to buy a PC just to run
| Linux/X11 on it ?

It was the only reason I bought a PC. Until Linux, I had no plans to buy
a micro-computer (until I could afford a Next that is.)

|
|2) Is a 15'' Monitor (1024x768ni, >80Hz) "good" enough to read the X11
| default fonts of X11 ? Or is 15'' a pain ?

Depends your VAR rating (Video Anal Retension). I make do with a good
CTX 14'' monitor, and i am quite pleased with the picture I get... a 17''
would be better though, and I would make the jump to 17'' and forget 15''.
IMHO the difference betwen 14 and 15 is not terribly significant.
|
|3) Does Linux support Local Bus Architectures ?

The answer to this for both IDE and video seems to be an overwhelming yes.
I have yet to see any reports of troubles, and have seen many reports of
success, including my own system which has a local bus ET4000 card.
|
|4) There is a S3 X Server 0.0. Is it a good idea to buy a S3 card
| or will this server work only with some (a few) S3 cards, but not with
| the most/all cards ? (the low speed of 0.0 would be no problem, I believe
| that will change in the next months)

As you say the S3 server is still in progress and seems to be in the
process of many speedups (when putting it on sunsite, I looked at it briefly
to see that much of the 8514 code can be improved to take advantage of the S3.
But as the authors say, it will never support Diamond cards under their
tutoring...
|
|5) Is it a good idea to use one singe efs-partition of lets say 200 MB
| for all the Linux stuff ? Are there disadvantages for this efs solution
| (efs=extended file system) compared to a set of "usual fs" partitions ?

Hmmm. This may be a religious question. I use two partitions. One for system
level utilities (/bin, /usr/bin, /etc). This is for purposes of speed and
reliability. My user partition (/u) where my own directory is is extended,
for reasons of having a big partition and to have long file name support.

jem.

--
Jonathan Magid j...@SunSite.unc.edu SunSite Administrator
Virtual pizza Delivery (tm)::faxed in 30 cycles or less or you get it
========================================FREE!!!=======================

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From: prob...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Subject: Re: Do I have to clear DOS partition?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 12:09:28 -0600

waar...@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg) writes:

|Hi,

|I'm just new to this newsgroup and this is probably a FAQ, but anyway:

|I have a harddisk with C: and D: DOS partitions and I want to install Linux
|on the D-partition. Can I install Linux *WITHOUT* removing the data from
|DOS partition C:? (I know when I run the DOS fdisk program, all data on all
|partitions will be lost. Is this also true for the Linux fdisk program?)

|Can someone mail me a FAQ list?

|Thanx!

|Jerry

As long as you don't have to repartition your drive, the dos stuff on
C: should be fine. I would make a backup just to be safe though. With the
fdisk from linux, you can change the id on the partition without changing
the partition tables. This would allow fdisk from linux to correctly
identify your linux partition.

You will have to do an mkfs on your old D: drive to make it work with
linux though, so make sure nothing is on there that you need before doing
this.

I am emailing you the FAQ also.

James

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From: ro...@slave.uwe.ac.uk (Operator (Phil/Dylan))
Subject: Re: Olvwm: Anybody played with it?
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:36:50 GMT
Reply-To: p_co...@csd.uwe.ac.uk

In article <1992Nov3.2...@uoft02.utoledo.edu>,
bi...@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Bill Parquet) writes:

|> Before I undertake re-compiling olvwm, is there a version already out there
|> that uses the new X386 2.1 shared libraries? (the one i got from sunsite
|> expected libX11.1.1 or something like that)

yes,... I'm running olvwm with X386 2.1 shared libraries although there seems
to
be a very small irritating bug where it doesn't always 'clean' overwrites
correctly
leaving speckles of pixels on the screen,.. it may be a fault of the speedup
code

Phil
=--=

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From: Es...@polaris.utu.fi (Sami-Pekka Hallikas)
Subject: UUCP/SMAIL/ETC.. Needed for Linux
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:01:53 GMT

I need smail for Linux. Also I need some news reader like rn or nn.
If someone have these or know where I can get it (via ftp), or he/her
could send it to me uucoded.
Thanx for reading me :-D...

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From: d88...@zorin.nada.kth.se (Johan Whlin)
Subject: Re: TeX/xdvi Question.
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:55:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.1...@cs.wisc.edu> dja...@mersem.cs.wisc.edu (Dean Jansa) writes:
|A quick question to a TeX/xdvi guru:
|
|When I run xdvi on a test.dvi file, I get the following output.
|...
|mv: cannot move `cmmi10.300pk' to `/usr/TeX/lib/tex/fonts/pktmp.94': Permission denied
|...

I have chmod .../tex/fonts and .../mf/macros to 1777 so as to protect the
original files (due to the sticky bit) and let anyone write in it.

I do not like this way of doing things, but it does work.
--
/Johan W}hlin (.. where the } really is an a with a ring above it.. 8))

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From: mc...@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Steven McKay)
Subject: Re: DVI program for Epson 9- or 24-pin printer?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.2...@sfu.ca>, rc...@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Chen) writes...
|In article <Bx56x...@citrus.SAC.CA.US> ia...@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Ian Justman ) writes:
|>Has anyone written a DVI program for Epson-compatible 9- or 24-pin
|>printers? I have access to both and I would like to make use of
|>TeX with them.
|Use dvips and the print it with ghostscript. Works great.

I haven't used dvips and ghostscript, so I can't tell about those, but
if you want a 9 pin dvi to epson driver, you might look at Beebee's collection
of drivers at science.utah.edu or at ymir.claremont.edu In ymir I believe its
under something like ~/tex/drivers/beebe2_10 or something close.
At science it's under ~/tex/dvi (I think). You wont need all of it, but you
will need most of the files. It compiles pretty easily, with minor changes.
It assumes the default operating system is unix and bsd. You need unix but not
bsd, so you will have to change a define.

You will also need to compile your own fonts. I have a script for that if you
need it.
S. McKay
mc...@dt.uh.edu

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From: "William L. Mullica" <p00...@psilink.com>
Subject: GETTYDEF/UUCP Help Needed!
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:57:03 GMT

I am trying to get UUCP working between a Linux machine (Taylor UUCP
1.03) and an SCO Xenix machine. The computers are connected thru their
serial ports at 9600 bps by a 20 ft. null-modem cable.

I can establish a UUCP session and get thru the handshaking OK. However,
shortly after the data transfer begins, the sending (Xenix) machine
starts showing alarm messages (lost connection?) and the transfer times
out and fails. I suspect that my GETTYDEF for the serial line my be at
fault. This is my GETTYDEF line for both systems:

9600# B9600 CS8 CLOCAL # B9600 CS8 SANE -IXON RTSFLOW CLOCAL TAB3
#login: #9600

Is there something wrong here? Can anyone give me a 'proper' GETTYDEF line
for a 9600 bps direct connect line. Could something else be causing the problem?

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Bill Mullica

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From: fou...@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: MAXTOR
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:12:55 GMT
Reply-To: fou...@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU

In article <jrsellec.720951453@syzygy>, jrse...@socs.uts.edu.au (91066720 j r selleck) writes:
| was wondering if Linux gets along with a 213 Mb Maxtor Hd.
|
| I dont yet have linux or the HD as linux does fit on an 80 MB HD that has only 8 megs left after windows and games... :( Maybe I should get my priorites right ?!?!?
|
| Any way I was looking at getting a MAXTOR HD it is 213 Megs and has a 15 ms access time..`
| Thats about all I know about it, but I was hoping someone who uses both could tell me what they think..
|
| James
|
The Maxtor 7213a 213MB hd USED to have problems with non-msdos operating
systems. They have since upgraded the PROMS so that the problems are gone.
Since I still have the old prom version I don't know for sure that it works,
but Maxtor assured me that it does. (They are making me mail return my entire
hard drive for the PROM upgrade! Sucky policy but anyway..) If you want to be
safe when purchasing the drive, on the top side of it there is a label. In the
PCBA column is listed your PROM version. Make sure that the verion is at least
63 something. Mine is 52p1 if that helps any.
Luckily even though it does have problems they are not such that the
drive had any data loss (That I've noticed yet anyway..) During any drive
operation there are random occurances of "HD Timeout. Reseting HD" or something
like that. It take about 10-20 seconds per timeout and I've gotten as many as a
dozen while starting X windows. Quite annoying, but still usable.
Hope this helps.
Bill Foust
Fou...@Rosevc.Rose-Hulman.edu

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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #490

Linux-Activists Digest #490, Volume #3 Fri, 6 Nov 92 03:30:14 EST

Contents:
Re: Some interesting Novice Questions (not found in FAQ) (H.J. Lu)
Re: SLS distributed kernel compiled with TCP/IP enabled? (Peter Clark)
Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron? (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Re: MAXTOR (Andy I. Liaw)
HD timeout (Russell J. Price)
Re: Port of new Linux math emulator to 386bsd? (Nate Williams)
Re: linux-0.98.3 termcap problem (Mika Liljeberg)
YES!!! (Steeve McCauley)
Maxtor (swar...@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU)
NEC MultiSync 3FGx, Orchid ProDesigner II, need info for Xconfig (Tim Miller)
tip and cu for linux (Carlos.Canau)
[Q] Problem with cursur... (Da Hubster!!!)
Re: Problems booting SLS package (seen this problem before?) (a_bed...@ccsvax.sfasu.edu)
Re: uucp/mail/news FAQ (Ed Carp)
Re: uucp/mail/news FAQ (Ed Carp)
Re: uucp/mail/news FAQ (Ed Carp)

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From: h...@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: Some interesting Novice Questions (not found in FAQ)

Date: 5 Nov 92 18:34:53 GMT

In article <dingelde.720952611@jocki>, ding...@igd.fhg.de (Dennis Dingeldein) writes:

[....]

|> 5) Is it a good idea to use one singe efs-partition of lets say 200 MB
|> for all the Linux stuff ? Are there disadvantages for this efs solution
|> (efs=extended file system) compared to a set of "usual fs" partitions ?

Please never, ever do this to yourself. Give you a hint. I had one of my fs,
/users, was trashed a week ago. But I could still manage to recover from my
/ and /usr fs's. Think about you have /, /usr and /users in one fs and that fs
is trashed.

[...]

H.J.

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From: pcl...@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Peter Clark)
Subject: Re: SLS distributed kernel compiled with TCP/IP enabled?
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:49:09 GMT

Can Linux TCP/IP through a modem or does it have to be through Ethernet?

--
============================================================================
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pcl...@ds5000.dac. + EMACS is computerese for torture device.
northeastern.edu + MUDding into the 21st century!

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mcc...@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:06:49 GMT

In <Bx8DB...@unix.amherst.edu> twpi...@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

|In article <1992Nov4.2...@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mcc...@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

|>The only way to keep
|>companies from doing silly marketing cruft like this is if people let
|>them eat all those chips.

|I'm not complaining; it sounds like I'm getting all of the DX power I
|need from a machine that costs several hundred dollars less. That's
|extra money that can go toward memory -- and you remember the problem
|with memory these days, don'tcha? :-)

Well, you get all that machine until you find you need a math
coprocessor and have no good way to add one cheaply. You'd have been
better off (as would we all) if they had simply dropped the price of
the DX parts.

There's a problem with memory? Don't look at me. I build stuff to
kill people and have nothing to do with semiconductors (other than
stuffing them into weapons and writing software for them).

|>There is no way
|>I'm going to believe that the price difference between the 486SX and
|>the 486DX can be explained by the cost of testing the math unit in the
|>latter.

|Maybe also the cost of junking flaky math units? Maybe it's the money
|they're losing on marketing SX chips that no one is buying? What do
|you think the price difference is the result of -- general silicon
|shoddiness?

Arbitrary marketing decision, with no justification in cost.

--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
==============================================================================
Fred....@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.

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From: ail...@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andy I. Liaw)
Subject: Re: MAXTOR
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:58:18 GMT

I posted a question about installing dos, os2 and linux on combinations of
maxtor 7213A (210MB) and seagate 1144A. I called tech support at both
maxtor and seagate and here are the answer I got:

maxtor: the two drives are incompatible and therefore should be used together.
sometimes putting the maxtor as slave might work.

seagate: the incompatibility is dued to the difference in timings in both drives
(after I told the guy I was using the drive with a maxtor, he
begin to sound pretty rude, just for your info.)

So I decide to sell my seagate and get a maxtor 120MB drive.

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From: ru...@gagme.chi.il.us (Russell J. Price)
Subject: HD timeout
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:47:12 GMT

Every once in a while, my Linux 0.98pl3 system give me a "HD timeout" message.
No harm seems to be done, but it's rather obnoxious. I'm using a Western
Digital RLL controller (I forgot the model number, maybe WD1006-something?) on
a 386DX-25 motherboard with 4 MB of RAM. Is there a parameter I can tweak to
fix this?
--
Russ Price ru...@gagme.chi.il.us
====================================================
"Bus error - passengers dumped"

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
From: os...@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Nate Williams)
Subject: Re: Port of new Linux math emulator to 386bsd?
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:55:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.1...@klaava.Helsinki.FI> torv...@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes:
|In article <1992Nov4.0...@citec.oz.au> sgc...@citec.oz.au (Steve Hocking) writes:
|>
|> Looking at the latest Linux release and user comments on it, it
|>appears that a new math emulator has been written which is more complete and
|>accurate, plus about 2x faster. Does anybody have plans to port this to
|>386bsd (since we got the original emulator from Linux anyway)?
|
|The problem is the copyright: it's copylefted code by Bill Metzenthen,
|so you cannot distribute it under the 386bsd copyright. The original
|emulator I wrote was also originally copylefted, but I gave Bill and
|Lynne the right to use it under 386bsd (the copyright was changed to
|something like "freely usable for the 386bsd and linux projects").
|You'd have to ask permission from Metzenthen - his email address can be
|found in the sources.

Since 386BSD already has GNU-copylefted code in it, I don't see why
using this emulator would be a problem, since :

1) The code will always be distributed with 386BSD
2) The code is only in the kernel. The only time this code comes
into play is when a non-FP machine executes FP code. None of
this code is compiled into binaries.

The only kicker I see in this is that maybe the Jolitz's don't want
any GNU code in the kernel itself, and don't mind the copylefted
utilities since they can be taken out as a whole w/out any loss of
functionality in 386BSD (other than the loss of that utility)

Comments? Bill or Lynee?

Nate
--
os...@terra.oscs.montana.edu | A hacker w/out a home.
work: (406) 994-5991 | Keeper of the Unofficial 386BSD Bug Report
home: (406) 586-0579 | Please send bugs and/or fixes you find.

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From: lilj...@hydra.Helsinki.FI (Mika Liljeberg)
Subject: Re: linux-0.98.3 termcap problem
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:22:26 GMT

In article <92308.0717...@NDSUVM1.BITNET> NU01...@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Greg Wettstein) wrote:
| Speaking of TERMCAP problems I am wondering if anyone has noticed this yet.
|
| According to the discussions here and on the mailing list I decided to
| always refer to our Linux machines as VT220's when I logged onto other
| systems which use TERMCAP style entries. console is great for Linux but of
| course unknown to other systems.
|
| After logging into a couple of systems I suddenly noticed that the virtual
| console was restricting itself to 24 lines. For example if less is used
| to view a file and the sh prompt is on the bottom line of the screen the
| entire output gets displayed on the bottom line of the screen. Using
| less with the prompt at the top of the screen causes less to use the
| console as if it had 24 lines.

Yes, this is because the remote host _knows_ a VT220 has only 24
lines. The reset (rs) or initialization (is) string in the remote
host's termcap probably does something like this: "\E[1;24r". This
sets up the vtxxx scrolling region. 24 lines. Ugh.

I usually handle this problem by putting the following line into my
.login (on the remot host, of course):

eval "`resize`"

Resize comes with X11. It resets the scrolling region, finds out the
size of a VTxxx compatible display and sets the TERMCAP environment
variable and the tty settings accordingly. Nota that this _only_ works
for VTxxx compatible terminals. If you frequently use something more
exotic, you should let tset recognize the terminal first and then do
something like this:

if ($TERM == "vt100") eval "`resize`"

The Linux console will identify itself as a vt102, if asked. Some tset
programs set the TERM variable to vt100, some set it to vt102. Check
out what yours does.

| Just a quick comment, perhaps the setterm code/console driver needs to be
| modified to recognize some type of absolute reset sequence. I would
| envision this sequence resetting the virtual console from which it was
| invoked to the same condition it would be in after a boot sequence. This
| would be helpful in this case and also in the case when garbage gets
| dumped to the screen causing selection of the alternate character set.

There already is one. Even a dumb vt100 knows how to reset itself. The
control sequence is ESC c. Put this into your (linux) termcap:

rs=\Ec

Now "setterm -reset" will reset the virtual console to the power-on
defaults (except for some colour settings, which are not really part
of the terminal emulation). If you only want to reset the scrolling
region, the sequence for that is "\E[r".

Well, I hope this helps.

Mika
--
Mika Liljeberg Email: lilj...@hydra.Helsinki.FI
Helsinki University Mika.Li...@Helsinki.FI
Dept. of Computer Science

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From: ro...@pooh.geophys.mcgill.ca (Steeve McCauley)
Subject: YES!!!
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:45:32 GMT

Just want to say that after 5 days as a linux user "I'm am fucking
impressed!". I got the SLS 0.98 version from tsx-11 and I've got it
running with X and tcpip on two 486's. I'm almost ready to stop
using my HP720 in favour of this fantastic operating system. I want
to thank Linus and all of the other contributors for giving us such
a ... ok enough.

Ha I just managed to ftp rcp, rsh and ftpd from tsx-11. I'm going
to go and play.

--
Cheers et salut,
Steeve McCauley
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| McGill University ~~~ Earth and Planetary Sciences ~~~ FDA 209A |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| A Short Short Short Short Story | ste...@pooh.geophys.mcgill.ca |
| ------------------------------- | ro...@pooh.geophys.mcgill.ca |
| And then he said to me, "Dollar sign | |
|colon slash pooh slash bin", and I knew. | Tel: (514) 398-1724 |
| The end (by a friend) | |
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From: swar...@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Maxtor
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:55:25 GMT
Reply-To: swar...@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU

Well I have a brand new Maxtor 7213 IDE hard drive. It works great. I
am running a DOS partition and a Linux partition, and have had NO
problems period. I have not looked to see what the number on my
prom is, but then I haven't had any reason to. I think it is a great
drive, and very well priced. I would recommend it to anyone.

Jeff Swartz

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From: t...@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: NEC MultiSync 3FGx, Orchid ProDesigner II, need info for Xconfig
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:25:20 GMT

Subject says it all. I couldn't find entries in modeDB.txt for
this particular monitor, and I managed to get myself lost in the
calculations trying to build an entry for Xconfig.

Anyone have them all done? Or a program to help me crank these
values out?

-- Cerebus <t...@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Tearing my hair out, screaming for mercy; whatta day."

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From: ca...@muttley.fc.ul.pt (Carlos.Canau)
Subject: tip and cu for linux
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:12:28 GMT
Reply-To: Carlos...@ul.pt

Hello.

I'm looking for the programs tip and cu for linux.
Can anyone guide me to a site that have them ?

Thanks in advance,
Please e-mail me at ca...@ul.pt
by(e) khanau

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From: g...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Da Hubster!!!)
Subject: [Q] Problem with cursur...
Date: 5 Nov 1992 15:34:25 -0600

I am not able to use the cursur keypad to controll curser
movement unless I am logged on as the root. Is there something
I need to add to my user .profile ???

--
ADIOS!!!!!! -----------------------
| Da Hubster!!! |
| G...@MATT.KSU.KSU.EDU |
-----------------------

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From: a_bed...@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Subject: Re: Problems booting SLS package (seen this problem before?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:03:17 CST

In article <1992Nov4.1...@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, a_bed...@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
| Hello all,
|
| Well, after gathering some information, it seems that I've dived into
| Linux. Neat stuff. Except for the problems. :)
|
[deletia of some stuff]

| In other words, I'm seeking help!
| However, when I try to boot the SLS 0.98 from tsx-11, it makes it through
| the boot disk, and then gives me the "select your disk" message. AFTER
| inserting disk a2 (utilities), and selecting 3.5/A drive as my "working
| drive"....I get this neat little message about "magic number mismatch"
| and something about "dev/fd01440 busy". *sigh*

[deletia of some more stuff...]

Ok, funny to be following up to my own message, but here goes.
It seems that I've solved my own problem. I performed an 'fdisk'
on my harddrive using the root/bootdisk combo, and then tried it
again. Presto. It worked. :)

However, I went and re-FTP'd the SLS stuff from tsx-11. However, even with
the new copies, I had to 'fdisk' first. Go firgure.

Just a little update.

Later,
"Crusher" Joe.

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| Academic Support Guy, SFASU * Partner, Datamagic Computers |
*-----------------------------*-----------------------------------------*
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From: e...@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: uucp/mail/news FAQ
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:25:58 GMT

Robert Kiesling (rak@loft) wrote:

: In article <1992Nov3.1...@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com> vds...@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Vincent D. Skahan) writes:

: once again, I see no reason to write (and have to support) a c.o.l.
: FAQ for things that are already either documented in FAQ's or in books
: you can buy.

: Agreed. I've seen them, but maybe others haven't. There is a FAQ,
: for example, with an overview of all these packages that was written
: by Chris Lewis. A c.o.l. FAQ (or possibly Meta-FAQ, which I had in
: mind intially) would have a listing of these documents. And some of
: the documentation can be very vague and confusing for beginners when
: the docs don't include system-specific information.

I have to agree with Vince on this one, too. Linux isn't for DOS weenies,
at least not yet. I remember a lot of whining when Linus released anything
prior to 0.95, because there were a lot of things in the kernel that weren't
supported, etc. Linus' position (which I agree with, BTW) was, "hey, the
source is out there, it isn't *that* tough to understand -- go for it!"

And a lot of people did. Sure, I'd like to see the kernel hacker's guide when
Michael et. al. get finished with it, but I'm not whining about it. :)

Remember, Linux is a *hacker's* unix. If you don't like to tinker, then maybe
you ought to go with 386BSD. :)

Yes, uucp/elm/mail isn't a breeze to set up and use - but the configuration that
I include with mailpak should cover most people's setups. But I also understand
that there are a *lot* of people that would like the uucp/mail interface to
have sendmail, procmail, pine, mush, etc. - but there's only so much stuff you
can stick into a package. I'm also becoming concerned that tsx-11 and other
FTP sites are becoming repositories for multi-megabyte source distributions,
with only a few lines changed to make it work under linux. A *massive* waste
of space and resources, IMHO. I'd personally like to see tsx-11 contain binary
distributions, Linux-specific stuff, and cdiffs+pointers to where to find other
packages. Because linux+gcc is becoming more mature, I'm considering making
the next mailpak a binary-only distribution, with cdiffs and FTP sites where
one can get the complete source distribution. It's just too much stuff for
people to download, especially when they can get the sources elsewhere, feed
the diffs files to patch, and do a 'make'.

: Again, agreed. However, what are the chances that another reader of
: one of those groups is going to be able to provide specific pointers
: for Linux? These are groups for net packages in general, not specific

Linux is getting generic enough so that stuff written for generic unix will
compile and run with no problems.

: In his uucp internals FAQ, Ian Taylor wrote, "(This FAQ) does not
: describe how to configure UUCP, nor how to solve connection problems,
: nor how to deal with UUCP mail. There are currently no FAQ postings
: on any of these topics, and I do not plan to write any."

Like I said, Linux isn't for weenies. :) uucp *especially* isn't for those
with a weak stomach.
--
Ed Carp, N7EKG e...@apple.com, e...@saturn.upl.com 801/538-0177
"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find. You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have. The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to becaome aware of what

------------------------------

From: e...@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: uucp/mail/news FAQ
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:38:20 GMT

Vince Skahan (vi...@halcyon.com) wrote:

: you're not supposed to do this stuff if you're clueless.
: USENET is not for kiddies.

YES!!!!! Thanks for reiterating this, Vince!

: But you already get HDB if you run Ed Carp's mailpak, which uses the
: HDB configuration. You don't have to do anything...it's done for you.
: [...Ed, do I get a royalty every time I tell somebody you did good?...]

Sure, Vince - if anyone ever sends me any money, I'll give you a cut... :)

: Care and feeding of smail is a reasonably non-issue if you grab the
: smail3.1.28 I provide as part of 'newspak'. I have about 4 lines of
: total configuration files to set system-specific stuff. The incredible
: things you *could* do with smail are well-documented in the smail docs
: and in the comp.mail.smail newsgroup. I asked a question via email to
: Steve Robbins who provided excellent info that I included when I uploaded
: newspak (in the smail stuff).

I set up smail 3.1.28 in about an hour - time well spent reading the docs that
came with it. I groan every time I see someone post a question that is
covered in the documentation... :(

I can understand someone posting "what does mailpak/newspak/X/<whatever> do
for me?" before they download it - these packages take time and space to
download. I can't understand someone posting "I just downloaded mailpak -
*now* what do I do?" There's a README, and simple instructions on how to
get it going. For those who want to delve further in the inner workings of
elm, uucp, or smail, I include all the docs that I received with the respective
packages, and I'm sure Vince does the same.

: there IS NO system-specific stuff to be done any more.
: Grab newspak. Grab mailpak. Grab vixcron. type make. Miller Time.

How true! Thanks to Linux and H.J. and all the other folks that have donated
their time and effort (and $$$, for some - SVGA cards and monitors and SCSI
cards and drives aren't cheap!), Linux has turned into a system that can give
the best commercial unixes a run for their money, both in terms of performance
and in terms of features! It's pretty compatible with most unix systems
around - no more 200K+ files to feed to patch. :)

: A person getting started running news gets news/mail fed from
: somewhere. If they have no clue, and they don't try to get a clue, they
: live with the implications of their lack of action. Everybody is a
: beginner once. Everybody screws up. No biggie. If a rookie admin
: doesn't get in touch with his uucp neighbor(s) to help prevent him from
: screwing up BIG deserves what he/she gets.

I've had my hand slapped by fellow sysadmins more than once, too. Shit
happens, you know. But if you don't learn from your mistakes, you are bound
to repeat them. Eventually, you'll piss off all your neighbors, and they'll
cut you off at the knees. Then, I suppose, they'll be posting about that
evil Ed and Vince and Linus and H. J. who got them in the mess in the first
place. :)
--
Ed Carp, N7EKG e...@apple.com, e...@saturn.upl.com 801/538-0177
"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find. You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have. The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to becaome aware of what

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From: e...@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: uucp/mail/news FAQ
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:41:21 GMT

Robert Kiesling (rak@loft) wrote:

: No real disagreement, IMHO. Just a matter of how to do this. Would
: you consider including one or two of these many docs in newspak?
: Newspak is a necessary and important part of Linux -- thanks. I admit
: to not having looked at it (yet). I've had too many other things to
: do. Soon, though.

I would be more than pleased to include information on generic uucp/smail
setup in mailpak, if someone sent me the docs.
--
Ed Carp, N7EKG e...@apple.com, e...@saturn.upl.com 801/538-0177
"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find. You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have. The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to becaome aware of what

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Contents:
Re: uucp/mail/news FAQ (Robert Kiesling)
fixed font (Alexander Tuninga)
**!** Critics/Comments and a Request for Help **!** (Rene Felix Wies)
Re: /usr/X386/lib/X11 <-> /usr/lib/X11 (Guido Muesch)
Re: fig2dev (James Michael Chacon)
-News & a FEED! (tim foley)
TeX/xdvi Question. (Dean Jansa)
Re: Bootmanager and LILO (Martin Rex)
Re: Bugs in LINUX tar (?) (James Michael Chacon)
Linux/386BSD on Compaq Deskpro 386/25 (peter da silva)
Re: Toronto Linux Users (Patrick Naubert)

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From: rak@loft (Robert Kiesling)
Subject: Re: uucp/mail/news FAQ

Date: 5 Nov 92 13:25:01 GMT

rak@loft (Robert Kiesling) writes:

>In article <1992Nov3.1...@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com> vds...@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Vincent D. Skahan) writes:
> once again, I see no reason to write (and have to support) a c.o.l.
> FAQ for things that are already either documented in FAQ's or in books
> you can buy.

> there are a variety of groups regarding uucp including comp.mail.uucp.
> 'elm', 'mush', and 'smail' have their own newsgroups.

[stuff deleted...

that's why there's news.admin, news.software.readers, news.answers,
comp.mail.uucp (and so on...) as well as the (fine) O'Reilly+Assoc series
of books including 'managing uucp and usenet'., Evi Nemeth's "Unix System
Administration Handbook",. etc. Why reinvent the wheel?

you're not supposed to do this stuff if you're clueless.
USENET is not for kiddies.

Absolutely. The best reply is usally "rtfm!" At least to the
postings I've seen here...

[ more stuff deleted ...

you don't have to do ANYTHING to set it up differently from any other
unix (a credit to the folks involved!).

There are no Linux-specific-things to do, therefore there are no Linux-specific
pointers required. I set up uucico to run from cron at home and I don't
do *anything* manually except read the news/mail that comes in...

comp.os.linux is (I thought) intended to further the o/s and associated
stuff, not to be what the news.* hierarchy is already chartered to do.

The other groups have their charters. Questions regarding items inside their
charters should go to them, not c.o.l.

[ deleted ...

>In his uucp internals FAQ, Ian Taylor wrote, "(This FAQ) does not
>describe how to configure UUCP, nor how to solve connection problems,
>nor how to deal with UUCP mail. There are currently no FAQ postings
>on any of these topics, and I do not plan to write any."

There is not a FAQ because it's documented already in vendor documents,
the O'Reilly books, etc. There is no *need*. Grab the mailpak .tar.Z
file(s), extract them, and type 'make'. Then grab the newspak stuff
and do the same.

> Just go out and buy O'Reilly+Assoc's "managing uucp and usenet"...
> And subscribe-to/read news.answers for the FAQs.

>The nutshell manual is great, *once* Taylor uucp is configured to
>correctly use BNU or V2 format config files. It also tells how to
>test the link in a way that's mostly non-disruptive, and has the
>clearest description of rs-232 harware handshaking I've read. But it
>says nothing about configuring Taylor UUCP specifically. Nor smail,
>nor Vixie cron, nor any specific newsreader.

But you already get HDB if you run Ed Carp's mailpak, which uses the
HDB configuration. You don't have to do anything...it's done for you.
[...Ed, do I get a royalty every time I tell somebody you did good?...]

Care and feeding of smail is a reasonably non-issue if you grab the

smail3.1.28 I provide as part of 'newspak'. I have about 4 lines of
total configuration files to set system-specific stuff. The incredible
things you *could* do with smail are well-documented in the smail docs
and in the comp.mail.smail newsgroup. I asked a question via email to
Steve Robbins who provided excellent info that I included when I uploaded
newspak (in the smail stuff).

care and feeding of vixie cron is extremely well documented in the
docs that come with it. A no-brainer.

each newsreader comes with excruciating detail in docs and once again
the OR+A book(s) are the best sources of info. There is no need to
write anything.

sigh...

there IS NO system-specific stuff to be done any more.
Grab newspak. Grab mailpak. Grab vixcron. type make. Miller Time.

... Installing -- and using -- news software does not end with typing
"make."

I was not able to ftp mailpak on my own miniscule ftp funding. I
grabbed it on disk from someone else in town (thanks again, Rob!).
Installing the binaries was, in fact, a no-brainer, all credit to Ed.
Newspak was not released when I installed c-news here, unfortunately.
It would have saved a lot of time. Then there is the administrivia,
coordinating with uucp neighbors, etc., etc.

Installing SLS or MCC, for example, is also intended (I assume) to be
easy as possible. I still see lots of postings from people who have
questions.

A person getting started running news gets news/mail fed from
somewhere. If they have no clue, and they don't try to get a clue, they
live with the implications of their lack of action.

And so do other Linux activists. The "Usenet is not for kiddies"
sentiment is usually stated in reference to MS-LOSS or Mac people. It
would be great if Linux activists can avoid that.

Everybody is a
beginner once. Everybody screws up. No biggie. If a rookie admin
doesn't get in touch with his uucp neighbor(s) to help prevent him from
screwing up BIG deserves what he/she gets.

I did lean heavily on my uucp neighbors (thanks, Dave and Marc). Both
are non-pc architecture machines. Anyway, it's easy for a rookie admin to
edit their Systems file, type "postnews" and send stuff out into the
world with no idea where it's going -- a no-brainer.

I strongly disagree about the need to document something in general
in a comp.os.linux group. You must disagree, cool. Have fun.

No real disagreement, IMHO. Just a matter of how to do this. Would
you consider including one or two of these many docs in newspak?
Newspak is a necessary and important part of Linux -- thanks. I admit
to not having looked at it (yet). I've had too many other things to
do. Soon, though.

Yours was the only negative response out of the dozen or so I have
received, mostly from beginners. That's not enough to prompt me to go
to the trouble of writing and distributing a FAQ or a meta-FAQ. Nor
does it seem from the responses to me that enough people are having
problems with installation to justify it. I'll wait and see if I
receive other responses.

-- Bob
--
===============================================================================
Robert Kiesling "Durum et durum non faciunt murum."
r...@loft.ann-arbor.mi.us -- Anon
vela!plex-1!loft!rak

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From: tun...@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Alexander Tuninga)
Subject: fixed font
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:51:22 GMT

There were people ( including me) having problems with
Xfree86.
The errormessage: can't find default font fixed giving up

I solved the problem by editing the .../fonts/misc/fonts.dir file
and changing the *.Z stuff * whithout the suffix.

Maybe you should compress all the fonts in .../fonts/misc, I'm
not an X-wizard.

Still I hope I helped somebody

Alex

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From: wi...@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rene Felix Wies)
Subject: **!** Critics/Comments and a Request for Help **!**
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:55:27 GMT

Hi all,

I managed to install linux (SLS 0.98) with X11, TeX and xfig.
Its ok to read dvi-files with xdvi, but I realy would like
to get my postscript files out on my printer:

Printer: HP DJ500C

So I'm looking for someone who has been able to compile

ghostview
ghostscript
transfig

PLEASE mail me your makefile or any other information on how
to set up my printer.

THANKS IN ADVANCE,
Rene'

BTW: I posted a similar article a few weeks ago and
received a number of replies from people telling me
that they had NO problems compiling ghostscript and
ghostview.
-- Great, BUT I AM having problems and need HELP.

BTW2: Posting my first article and mentioning that
I had the SLS release running resulted in a vast
number of mails, asking me how I got X11, SLS and
the rest running. I replied to all these mails -
most of the problems are explained in the FAQ or
were already answered in some other postings. So
please read the news before asking questions. "I
know its somewhere in the FAQ, but...." is no longer
an excuse - READ the FAQ and the news - that's what
they're there for. Scanning approx.14000 articles
is a lot, but its not getting less if people keep
on posting old questions - AND many of the linuxers
will stop reading all articles if only old stuff
crops up. Splitting the group (into beginners and
advanced users) makes little sense, but a little
more patience and discipline would help. (Maybe
we could have comp.os.linux.X11 ..TeX ..Emacs
..Ghost ..Printing ..GCC. and keep the installation
news in comp.os.linux.)

Despite the above discussion, I need HELP with
ghost* and my HP DJ500C printer.
--Rene'

reply to: wi...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de
^^^^^^^^^^^

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From: od...@cip-s01.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Guido Muesch)
Subject: Re: /usr/X386/lib/X11 <-> /usr/lib/X11
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:27:25 GMT

tuc...@yuppie.enet.dec.com (David Tucker @ATO / KC4ZGO) writes:

|I tried xfree 1.1 this weekend. When I tried to start X386 it complained
|that it couldn't find /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc so I had to make a link
|/usr/X386/X11 to find the fonts. Then it worked. Why is it looking in the
|wrong place? Also when I try to run X386mono, why does it say can't execute
|binary file. Can someone tell me what the size and sum should be for it.
|As an aside is there a newer, better version of X11 that I should be using?

The font directories are defined in /usr/X386/lib/X11/Xconfig.
Maybe you are using the wrong Xconfig.
X is normally started via startx which is a shellscript which then
will start xinit. It makes no sense to start X386mono alone (beside
testing purposes). Just make ln -s X386mono X , edit your Xconfig so
it has definitions for vga2 and do startx. I think the exact things are
discussed in the READMEs.

Guido

|Thanks for the help. Sorry if this has already been asked.

|David Tucker / tuc...@yuppie.ENET.dec.com
--
/\ email: od...@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
__/ \ ______________________________________________________________________
\/ snail: Guido Muesch, Ruetscher Str.175/1104, W-5100 Aachen (Germany)

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From: prob...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)

Subject: Re: fig2dev
Date: 5 Nov 1992 08:50:04 -0600

wun...@dfv.rwth-aachen.de (Marcus Wunderlich) writes:

|Hi Linuxers,

|during the last weeks I saw some of you looking for the binary
|fig2dev which translates fig-files into latex- or postscript-format.
|Some days ago I compiled it and if some of you are interested I try
|to make it available as a binary.

|Marcus

Also, the source is in the X11R5 contrib stuff under the transfig
directory if anyone wants to compile their own. I know that I compile
everything myself for my system just to be sure I have all the defaults
the way I want them

James

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From: tim....@rose.com (tim foley)
Subject: -News & a FEED!
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:59:33 GMT

Date Entered: 11-05-92 09:57

Could someone post the fixes that were necessary to get the May version of
C-news to work for Linux...I haven't yet installed it due to space but I
should be getting an extra ESDI drive soon, so that should be solved.

Also, anyone in the Toronto/Mississauga (Ontario, Canada eh!) region
willing to provide a news feed? HST speed only, I don't have a V.32 or a
dual standard (yet!)...gotta hot-rod the Z28 first!

Tim

---
ATP/Linux 1.3b ----[ Another Smug Linux User ]----
RM 2.00 : RoseNet<=>Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285

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From: dja...@mersem.cs.wisc.edu (Dean Jansa)
Subject: TeX/xdvi Question.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:58:20 GMT

A quick question to a TeX/xdvi guru:

When I run xdvi on a test.dvi file, I get the following output.

I _do_ end up being able to view the file. But the "cannot move"
error bugs me. If it could move it, I assume I wouldn't have to
wait for xdvi to process the font each time, correct?

BTW, if I run it as root, I get no output, xdvi just snaps up. Hmmm...

Thank you for your time.

% xdvi test.dvi
- /usr/TeX/lib/tex/MakeTeXPK cmmi10 300 300 magstep$0$
mf "\mode:=localfont; mag:=magstep(0); scrollmode; input cmmi10" < /dev/null
This is METAFONT, C Version 2.71

(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/cmmi10.mf (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/cmbase.mf)
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/mathit.mf (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/romanu.mf [65]
[66] [67] [68] [69] [70] [71] [72] [73] [74] [75] [76] [77] [78] [79] [80]
[81] [82] [83] [84] [85] [86] [87] [88] [89] [90])
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/itall.mf [97] [98] [99] [100] [101] [102] [103]
[104] [105] [106] [107] [108] [109] [110] [111] [112] [113] [114] [115]
[116] [117] [118] [119] [120] [121] [122]) (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/greeku.mf
[0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]) (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/greekl.mf
[11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25]
[26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39])
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/italms.mf [64] [96] [123] [124] [125] [126] [127])
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/olddig.mf [48] [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55]
[56] [57]) (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/romms.mf [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45]
[46] [47] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62] [63] [91] [92] [93] [94] [95]) ) )
Font metrics written on cmmi10.tfm.
Output written on cmmi10.300gf (128 characters, 13684 bytes).
Transcript written on cmmi10.log.
This is GFtoPK, C Version 2.3
[./cmmi10.300gf->./cmmi10.300pk]
'METAFONT output 1992.11.05:0831'
13684 bytes packed to 6624 bytes.

mv: cannot move `cmmi10.300pk' to `/usr/TeX/lib/tex/fonts/pktmp.94': Permission denied

mv: pktmp.94: No such file or directory
Can't find font cmmi10 at 300 dpi; using 329 dpi instead.
- /usr/TeX/lib/tex/MakeTeXPK cmr10 300 300 magstep$0$
mf "\mode:=localfont; mag:=magstep(0); scrollmode; input cmr10" < /dev/null
This is METAFONT, C Version 2.71

(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/cmr10.mf (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/cmbase.mf)
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/roman.mf (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/romanu.mf [65]
[66] [67] [68] [69] [70] [71] [72] [73] [74] [75] [76] [77] [78] [79] [80]
[81] [82] [83] [84] [85] [86] [87] [88] [89] [90])
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/romanl.mf [97] [98] [99] [100] [101] [102] [103]
[104] [105] [106] [107] [108] [109] [110] [111] [112] [113] [114] [115]
[116] [117] [118] [119] [120] [121] [122]) (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/greeku.mf
[0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]) (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/romand.mf
[48] [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57])
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/romanp.mf [36] [38] [63] [62])
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/romspl.mf [16] [17] [25] [26] [27] [28])
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/romspu.mf [29] [30] [31])
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/punct.mf [33] [60] [35] [37] [39] [40] [41] [42]
[43] [44] [46] [47] [58] [59] [61] [64] [91] [93] [96])
(/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/accent.mf [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [32]
[94] [95] [125] [126] [127]) (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/romlig.mf [11] [12]
[13] [14] [15]) (/usr/TeX/lib/mf/macros/comlig.mf [34] [45] [92] [123] [124]) )
)
Font metrics written on cmr10.tfm.
Output written on cmr10.300gf (128 characters, 13184 bytes).
Transcript written on cmr10.log.
This is GFtoPK, C Version 2.3
[./cmr10.300gf->./cmr10.300pk]
'METAFONT output 1992.11.05:0832'
13184 bytes packed to 5464 bytes.
mv: cannot move `cmr10.300pk' to `/usr/TeX/lib/tex/fonts/pktmp.102': Permission denied
mv: pktmp.102: No such file or directory
Can't find font cmr10 at 300 dpi; using 329 dpi instead.
%

Dean Jansa
Computer Systems Lab
University of Wisconsin - Madison
dja...@shorty.cs.wisc.edu

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From: mr...@roxi.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Martin Rex)
Subject: Re: Bootmanager and LILO
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:02:14 GMT

Kees de Bruin (ke...@imada.ou.dk) wrote:
: I'm using Linux for quite some time now, but are currently using a
: shoelace/bootmanager combination to boot DOS/OS2/Linux. Because I
: want to shift to version .98 using the SLS and knowing that shoelace
: does not work wit SLS.98, I was wondering if I can use LILO and the
: bootmanager together.

WHAT ??? I'm also using a shoelace/bootmanager combination, and I boot
linux off my second disk (SCSI) with the 0.98pl1 kernel.
Who claims that shoelace doesn't work with 0.98 ???

What I am wondering is, if lilo works with bootmanager --
I've never tried it because I'm happy with shoelace, and it's so easy
to replace the Image by just copying (cat'ing) a new one in place,
and that's it. It seems that lilo requires a new installation
everytime the Image is changed. I did not understand the lilo
docs on my first reading so I will probably stick with shoelace.

-Martin

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From: prob...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)

Subject: Re: Bugs in LINUX tar (?)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 09:04:57 -0600

jy1...@ehsn11.cen.uiuc.edu (Joshua M Yelon) writes:

|Last night I switched from minix FS to ext FS. Here are the steps
|I went through:

|* tarred my whole filesystem using gnu tar, split tarfile onto floppies.
|* reformatted hard disk using mkefs.
|* reloaded software from floppy using the tar on the 0.98 rootdisk.

|Much to my chagrin, though, the tar on the root floppy didn't seem
|to quite understand the tarfile format: it loaded the files up ok,
|and got all the chmod bits right, but got most of the file ownerships
|wrong! Needless to say, this took a long time to fix.

|It may be important that I use UID's greater than 1000... although
|I can't see why that would be a problem, it IS unusual.
|

It sounds as if you changed userid's from when you tarred up the system
and when you restored it. I have noticed this problem when I untar something
I get off of ftp. If I am root and untar it the ownerships stay the same
as the person who tarred it up. Gnu tar has some option to stop this I
am sure, but I can't remember it off hand.

James

------------------------------

Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
From: pe...@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Linux/386BSD on Compaq Deskpro 386/25
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:22:16 GMT

I'm considering buying a used Compaq Deskpro 386/25. I'll be using a Maxtor
XT4380E or Miniscribe 9380E with an as yet undetermined ESDI controller. Has
anyone run Linux or 386BSD on a similar platform? What sort of controller
would work best in this environment (don't say SCSI, I have a good deal on
the drive)? What sort of things should I be watching out for?
--
% Peter da Silva % 77487-5012 % +1 713 274 5180 % Har du kramat din varg idag?
(<<VV$@\\$'&O 9$O%'$LT$&$"V6"$&$<4$?'&$ #I&&?$=$444@)24 24 scale newpath/P true
def 3 21 moveto{dup 36 eq{pop/P P not def}{dup 7 and 4 sub exch 56 and 8 div 4
sub P{rlineto}{rmoveto}ifelse}ifelse}forall stroke showpage % `-_-'

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From: naub...@cognos.com (Patrick Naubert)
Subject: Re: Toronto Linux Users
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:46:13 GMT

In article <Bx8Ay...@ecf.toronto.edu> dha...@ecf.toronto.edu (DHALIWAL BIKRAM SINGH) writes:
|Are there any Linux or PC-Unix-32bit-clone users out there that live
|in Toronto (or in that case at U of T)?????????????
|It would be a real help to those who need it.
|
Well, there are a few (I counted 2 so far...) in Ottawa....

MBMANAGER

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Linux-Activists Digest #491, Volume #3 Fri, 6 Nov 92 07:00:14 EST

Contents:
Re: Security Alert w/ uemacs3.11 (Joe M. Doss)
Re: 0.98pl1 doesn't recognise my mouse (David Pincus)
modem help (Scott T Carpenter)
make (SLS 0.98) not operating properly (Carl vonLoewenfeldt)
(none) (REMACLE YANNIK)
How to set up Minicom to respond to Non-Root users (Little Kenny Hamer)
Re: SLS install in 2 MB (Marios Siormanolakis)
Re: SLS-Permission-Drama (elm/mail) (Michael Will)
Re: compiling ghostscript/view (Michael Will)
Re: UUCP/SMAIL/ETC.. Needed for Linux (Sami-Pekka Hallikas)
Re: BOOK WANTED: Graphics Programming for the 8514/A (David Halliwell)
Problem installing Linux )Par (part II) (John B. Lee)
Cobol (Michael Kraehe)

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From: jd...@jmd386.lonestar.org (Joe M. Doss)
Subject: Re: Security Alert w/ uemacs3.11
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 18:49:13 GMT

It looks like rza has write permissions on directory /etc. By default,
uemacs renames the original file to a backup name, then writes the changed
file as a brand-new file, then unlinks the backup after the successful
write. A user does not have to have write permission on a file to rename
or delete it, just write permission on the **directory** where the file lives.

Check the permissions on /etc - you should find something like:

drwxrwxrwx root system <date> /etc

--
===========================================================================
| Joe M. Doss, Jr. (standard disclaimer applies) |
| jd...@jmd386.lonestar.org <insert cute quote here> |
===========================================================================

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Subject: Re: 0.98pl1 doesn't recognise my mouse
From: David Pincus <PI...@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 16:44:00 EST

Hi there, I'm sick of MS-DOS/WIN and I'd like to move to linux, I've been
reading the conference and can't figure out exactly what files to get to
this. I can ftp to tsx-11.mit.edu. I have a 386/33 8mb ram and a free 20 meg h
ard drive. but if I can get enough decent software (ie some windowing, dtp,
wordprocessing, telecom) I'l gladly erase my 80 meg dos drive. Any replies
would be greatly appreciated.

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From: Scott.T....@p899.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Scott T Carpenter)
Subject: modem help
Date: 4 Nov 92 02:03:44 GMT

In a msg on <Nov 02 03:27>, Jim Danley of 1:233/20 writes:

JD> Run, don't walk, to tsx-11.mit.edu and grab

JD> /pub/linux/sources/sbin/gettyps202.tar.Z

JD> It includes everything you'll need including src, Makefile, man
JD> pages, and a

Thanks for the reply Jim... I have a friend who can get that for me...

Does anyone know of a dial-up I can use that gives internet FTP access??
I have a USR D/S and so getting off of the dial-up is not a problem... I
just don't have an internet hook-up. If ANYONE has any tips or hints as
to how I can either get a hook-up (I know they are pretty expensive
though) or or get a dial-up I'd love to hear from you...

Scott

* Origin: Fascination Street (1:109/70.899)

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From: ca...@boxelder.Berkeley.EDU (Carl vonLoewenfeldt)
Subject: make (SLS 0.98) not operating properly
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:01:30 GMT
Reply-To: ca...@boxelder.Berkeley.EDU (Carl vonLoewenfeldt)

In a previous note I commented on rebuilding GhostView (still no replies
to that query.)
In the process of making GhostView I noticed that if I re-executed make,
ALL objects
(*.o files) would be rebuilt, even those which were older than their
respective source
files.

Similarly, when I executed "make install", instead of execiting the
install step of the
makefile, make began to rebuild the objects again.!

(Yes, I was using a Makefile that came with GhostView, and yes, the
dependencies and
execution steps looked to be defined properly).

Anybody experience similar make problems under SLS 0.98? Anybody have a fix?

Carl vonLoewenfeldt

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From: yrem...@is1.vub.ac.be (REMACLE YANNIK)
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: yrem...@is1.vub.ac.be (REMACLE YANNIK)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:17:09 GMT

help

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From: kha...@sumax.seattleu.edu (Little Kenny Hamer)
Subject: How to set up Minicom to respond to Non-Root users
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:00:28 GMT

I have finally decided it is a good idea to not log in all the time as
root... Too easy to make mistakes. Unfortunately, I can only use Minicom
as root. I have put my non-root account info in the minicom.users file,
and the permissions all seem to be set correctly. When I type

minicom

as any normal user, I get the humurous but not very informative response:

You do not exist. Go away.

Any suggestions????

Thanks,
-Ken Hamer

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From: si...@i50s3.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Marios Siormanolakis)
Subject: Re: SLS install in 2 MB
Date: 6 Nov 1992 08:42:23 GMT

I've had the same problem.
My solution:

1. create Linux partition as mentioned in README (eg /dev/hda2)
2. additional create a swap partition (eg /dev/hda3)
change type to 82 (Linux Swap)
I created a 4MB swap partition
3. reboot
4. mkswap /dev/hda3 BLOCKS
5. swapon /dev/hda3
6. mkfs /dev/hda2 BLOCKS
7. doinstall /dev/hda2

Don't forget to add the following swap entry to /etc/fstab after booting from HD:
/dev/hda3 none swap

This worked for me.
Hope this helps

Marios
--
Marios Siormanolakis
University of Karlsruhe, Germany
si...@ira.uka.de

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From: mich...@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Michael Will)
Subject: Re: SLS-Permission-Drama (elm/mail)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:53:22 GMT

mich...@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Michael Will) writes:

|Yes, possible, but it still leaves the question, why this should not work:

|drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 192 Nov 5 01:07 mail

|elm and fastmail and newmail and printmail and wnewmail are of group mail,
|elm is sgid. why can't it write into the mail-directory then?

|Confused, Michael Will
And confused I was - after setting the group right it did work ;-)

So here is the answer: assign group mail to all mail-programs and to the
mail-spool-dir...

Thank you for your help,

Michael Will

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From: mich...@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Michael Will)
Subject: Re: compiling ghostscript/view
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:55:00 GMT

After taking unix-gcc.mak as Makefile it worked well, only one thing
does not make me happy - the executable is larger than one MB ;-)

What have I to write to the Makefile to make it use shared-libs,
or jumptables, or whatever is most useful?=

I would be interested in any hints ;-)

eMail is fine...

Err, and before I forget: ghostview I compiled after some nice person gave
me the hint to uncomment the definition of sys_errlist in any *.c-file
the compiler complained about (2 or 3).

It worked like a champ then..

Greetings (and thanks 4 your help) Michael Will

|Someone told me it should "make" without trouble on linux.

|Ghostview failed as well:
|# make
|gcc -fwritable-strings -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -m386 -DNO_ASM -I/usr/X386/include -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_GNU_SOURCE -Dlinux -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -DNON_BLOCKING_IO -DSELFILE -DHOME_ON_DEMAND -c misc.c -o misc.o
|misc.c:61: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
|/usr/include/errno.h:8: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
|make: *** [misc.o] Error 1

|So what?

|Greetings, Michael Will

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From: Es...@polaris.utu.fi (Sami-Pekka Hallikas)
Subject: Re: UUCP/SMAIL/ETC.. Needed for Linux
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:54:57 GMT

|I need smail for Linux. Also I need some news reader like rn or nn.
|If someone have these or know where I can get it (via ftp), or he/he

|could send it to me uucoded.

Thanks for all, But I don't need any of these, because I heard those can be
downloaded from sunsite.unc.edu.

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Crossposted-To: alt.graphics,comp.graphics,misc.books.technical,alt.books.technical,misc.forsale.wanted,misc.wanted,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.other
From: user...@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (David Halliwell)
Subject: Re: BOOK WANTED: Graphics Programming for the 8514/A
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:30:41 GMT

hob...@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com () writes:
|I'm looking for the following book:

|Graphics Programming for the 8514/A
|by Jake Richter and Bud Smith
|published by M&T Books.

|The book has been out of print for about 6 months. If you have a copy and
|are willing to sell it, OR if you know of a bookstore that still has
|it in stock, please e-mail me at 'hob...@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com'

With it being out of print for six months, that would explain why it
took from June to October for my local bookstore to get it for me. As a
result, I am unlikely to want to sell it to you, but I have the good news
that Richter has written a new book about the XGA adapter that is supposed
to also cover the 8514/A. I just got my hands on that book a week or two
ago, and haven't read through it yet. If you want, I can get the exact
title, ISBN, etc, for you. (It is at home, and I'm not.)

Dave Halliwell
Department of Geography
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta

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From: ah...@yfn.ysu.edu (John B. Lee)
Subject: Problem installing Linux )Par (part II)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:21:29 GMT

Wow, I actually got a file system made on my hard drive. Now to
get the install script going. What! No ist nstall script!
I can't moun the drive either. And when I do mount it (I'm stilll
on the floppy) I can't umount! Can anybody send me a copy of the
install script? E-mail me at usr7...@tso.uc.edu

John Lee
####
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John Lee
President of Simplistics Software
Internet: usr7...@tso.uc.edu
ah...@yfn.ysu.edu

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From: Michael...@hb.maus.de (Michael Kraehe)
Subject: Cobol
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 10:37:00 GMT

Hy folks,

in my opinion Linux ist the best *nix on market, I'm playing with it since
januar (0.12) and using it since Mai (0.96a+X11) for writing manuals and
mail/news with MausNet. It's the perfect programmers enviroment, small and
quick. I've all the languages I need (GCC, Tile-Forth, p2c) and an X11 witch
is much better than ISC or ODT.

But now I've a great problem : I've to support a programm witch is written
in Cobol :-( Even that I dont have any plan about cobol. I dont know any
cobol witch is for public domain, so a can only play with it when I'am
connectet via modem :-((((

So : Did anybody know a Cobol witch is written in C an is either PD or
CopyLeft :-)

By Michael

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From: wa4cyb!jmd (John Dashner)
Subject: Unix Book List
Reply-To: jmd@wa4cyb
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:55:32 GMT

Matt, I picked this off the net a week or so ago because many of my users
are newbies and I get asked from time to time for advice. I have read
many of these and heard of the rest and have no problem recommending them.

All the best, pappy

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[misc.books.technical] A Concise Guide to Unix Books
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** Compiled by: Samuel Ko (k...@sfu.ca)

** This is a good selection of the "best" Unix books / documentations.

** Subject areas covered:
A. General Unix Texts
B. Shells
C. Unix Editors
D. Networking and Communications
E. System Administration
F. Unix Security
G. Programming
H. TeX
I. X Window System
J. Dictionary
K. Other Lists

** This guide is intended to be concise, so it is far from exhaustive.
For other Unix bibliographies, please read section K - Other Lists.

** Thanks to all who have helped in improving this guide. However, to save
some bandwidth, I do not want to include a long list of acknowledgment.
I do sincerely thank each and every one of you who has contributed to
this compilation in one way or the other.

** If you think there are some other really good Unix books, please let me
know. Besides any comments, suggestions and flames will be very much
appreciated.

** I will try to update and post this list at least once a month. The latest
version is also obtainable by anonymous ftp from pit-manager.mit.edu (in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/books). If you do not have ftp or netnews access
you can get it by email from mail-...@pit-manager.mit.edu and the body
of your request should be send /usenet/news.answers/books/unix .

** Here it goes ...

A. General Unix Texts
*************************

1. Title: Unix for the Impatient
Authors: Paul Abrahams and Bruce Larson
Publisher: Addison Wesley
Edition: 1992
ISBN: 0-201-55703-7
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
A new, comprehensive, in-depth reference to Unix ...
"a handbook you can use both as a manual to learn UNIX and as
a ready reference for fast answers to specific UNIX questions."

2. Title: The Unix Operating System
Author: Kaare Christian
Publisher: Wiley
Edition: 2nd ed. 1988
ISBN: 0-471-84781-X
Comment: A classic overview of Unix commands ... Good in coverage ...

3. Title: A Practical Guide to the Unix System
Author: Mark Sobell
Publisher: Benjamin / Cummings
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-80-530243-3
Comment: Similar to Christian's book ... Slightly easier to read ...
There is a new edition for System V Release 4 ...

4. Title: The Waite Group's Unix System V Primer
Authors: Mitchell Waite, Donald Martin and Stephen Prata
Publisher: Sams
Edition: 2nd ed. 1992
ISBN: 0-672-30194-6
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
A very good hand-holding tutorial-type book for Unix/SVR4 ...

5. Title: Mastering SunOS
Authors: Brent Heslop and David Angell
Publisher: Sybex
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-89588-683
Comment: A good, comprehensive hand-on text to SunOS and OpenWindows ...

6. Title: Peter Norton's Guide to Unix
Authors: Peter Norton and Harley Hahn
Publisher: Bantam Computer
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-553-35260-1
Comment: Good coverage ... A good introduction for beginners (especially
those accustomed to DOS) ...

7. Title: Unix in a Nutshell
Authors: Daniel Gilly and O'Reilly staff
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 2nd ed. 1992 (for System V and Solaris 2)
ISBN: 1-56592-001-5
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
An excellent desktop reference to almost all Unix commands ...
"a complete reference containing all commands and options, plus
generous descriptions and examples that put the commands in
context." ...
Also an edition for 4.3. BSD ...

8. Title: Life with Unix - A Guide for Everyone
Authors: Don Libes and Sandy Ressler
Publisher: Prentice Hall
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-13-536657-7
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
An everything-you-want-to-know-about-Unix book ...
It includes info you might not find elsewhere ...
"This book is the "other" book about Unix ... a study in
reading between the lines - which is very much what learning
UNIX is like." ...

9. Title: Learning Unix
Author: James Gardner
Publisher: Sams
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-672-30001-X
Comment: With disks containing MSDOS simulation of Unix (MKS Tools) ...
A good tutorial / reference book for those without constant
access to Unix ...

10. Title: Unix Desktop Guide to Tools
Author: Pete Holsberg
Publisher: Sams
Edition: 1992
ISBN: 0-672-30202-0
Comment: A new and comprehensive guide to numerous Unix utilities ...

11. Title: The Design of the Unix Operating System
Author: Maurice Bach
Publisher: Prentice Hall
Edition: 1986
ISBN: 0-13-201799-7
Comment: An excellent reference on the internals of System V ...
This book and the next one are indeed highly technical ...

12. Title: The Design and Implementation of the 4.3 BSD Unix Operating System
Authors: Samuel Leffler et al
Publisher: Addison-Wesley
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-201-06196-1
Comment: An authoritative description of the design of BSD Unix ...
"It covers the internal structure of the 4.3BSD system and the
concepts, data structures, and algorithms used in implementing
the system facilities." ...

B. Shells
*************

1. Title: The Unix C Shell Field Guide
Authors: Gail Anderson and Paul Anderson
Publisher: Prentice Hall
Edition: 1986
ISBN: 0-13-937468-X
Comment: The C-Shell Bible - everything you need to know to understand
csh and use Unix effectively ...

2. Title: Unix C Shell - Desk Reference
Author: Martin Arick
Publisher: QED Technical
Edition: 1992
ISBN: 0-89435-328-4
Comment: A more recent text on maximizing the use of C-Shell ...

3. Title: Unix Shell Programming
Authors: Stephen Kochan and Patrick Wood
Publisher: Hayden
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-672-48448-X
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
A classic on using and programming Bourne Shell (and Korn Shell) ...

4. Title: Unix Desktop Guide to the Korn Shell
Author: John Valley
Publisher: Sams
Edition: 1992
ISBN: 0-672-48513-3
Comment: This one is even better and easier to read than the authoritative
work by Korn and Bolsky ...

C. Unix Editors
*******************

1. Title: GNU EMACS Manual
Author: Richard Stallman
Publisher: Free Software Foundation
Edition: 6th ed. 1988
Comment: The official manual of GNU Emacs ... Essential for emacs users ...

2. Title: Learning GNU Emacs
Authors: Debra Cameron and Bill Rosenblatt
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1992
ISBN: 0-937175-84-6
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
Probably the best documentation on editing with GNU Emacs ...

3. Title: Desktop Guide to Emacs
Authors: Ralph Roberts and Mark Boyd
Publisher: Sams
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-672-30171-7
Comment: Another good book on emacs ...

4. Title: Learning the vi Editor
Author: Linda Lamb
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-937175-67-6
Comment: A very good guide to vi and ex commands ...
With a quick reference card ...

5. Titles: vi Tutor and vi Reference
Authors: Micheal Pierce and Robert Ware (Tut), Maarten Litmaati (Ref)
Edition: 1.3 (Tut), 8 (Ref)
Comment: These and other good vi stuff are obtainable by anonymous ftp
from cs.uwp.edu (in pub/vi) ...

D. Networking and Communications
*************************************

1. Title: Unix Networking
Authors: Edited by Stephen Kochan and Patrick Wood
Publisher: Hayden
Edition: 1989
ISBN: 0-672-48440-4
Comment: Fairly technical on different issues of networking ...

2. Title: Managing NFS and NIS
Author: Hal Stern
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-937175-75-7
Comment: A comprehensive, technical guide for system admins on distributed
computing tools - NFS and NIS(YP) ...

3. Title: Unix Network Programming
Author: Richard Stevens
Publisher: Prentice Hall
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-13-949876-1
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
An excellent book on programming network softwares ...

4. Title: The Waite Group's Unix Communications
Authors: Bart Anderson, Barry Costales & Harry Henderson
Publisher: Sams
Edition: 2nd ed. 1991
ISBN: 0-672-22773-8
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
A really excellent book on e-mail (Mail, elm), netnews (rn, nn)
and UUCP ...

5. Title: Managing UUCP and Usenet
Authors: Tim O'Reilly and Grace Todino
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 10 ed. 1992
ISBN: 0-937175-93-5
Comment: Well written on the setting-up and maintenance of UUCP
and Netnews ...

6. Title: Using UUCP and Usenet
Authors: Grace Todino and Dale Dougherty
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-937175-10-2
Comment: Well written on how to use uucp and netnews ...

7. Title: Internetworking with TCP/IP Vols I and II
Author: Douglas Comer
Publisher: Prentice-Hall
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-13-468505-9 (I), 0-13-472242-6 (II)
Comment: A detailed discussion of the architecture of the Internet
and its protocols ...
Vol I is readable by anyone but Vol II is pretty technical ...

8. Title: The Whole Internet User's Guide Catalog
Author: Ed Krol
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1992
ISBN: 1-56592-025-2
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
Definitely a MUST for any new and not-so-new Internet users ...
"It is a complete user's guide to the Internet, covering everything
from the basics, like electronic mail and newsgroups, to the
newest developments. A large part of the book tells you how to
find the resources you want." ...

9. Title: Zen and the Art of the Internet
Author: Brendan Kehoe
Edition: 1st ed. 1992
Comment: A comprehensive overview of the Internet for beginners ...
This document (in different formats) can be obtained by
anonymous ftp from world.std.com (in /obi/Internet/zen-1.0) ...
The second edition is commercial, published by Prentice Hall ...

E. System Administration
****************************

1. Title: Unix System Administration Handbook
Authors: Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder and Scott Seebass
Publisher: Prentice-Hall
Edition: 1989
ISBN: 0-13-933441-6
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
Classic, also known as the sys-admin bible ...
"an attempt to condense everything that a system administrator
should know about UNIX into a single, easy-to-use volume" ...
Source codes for programs listed (sa-book.tar.Z) can be
obtained by anonymous ftp from boulder.colorado.edu (in
/pub/sa-book) or oak.oakland.edu (in /pub/unix-c/sysadmin) ...

2. Title: Unix System V Release 4 Administration
Authors: David Fiedler, Bruce Hunter and Ben Smith
Publisher: Hayden
Edition: 2nd ed. 1991
ISBN: 0-672-22810-6
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
A must for any intermediate / advanced users of Unix ...
"you'll find the information you need to organize a practical,
efficient, and productive UNIX system" ...

3. Title: Essential System Administration
Author: Aeleen Frisch
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-937175-80-3
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
A must for serious users / sys admins of Unix ...
"It provides a compact, manageable treatment of the tasks and
issues that everyone responsible for a UNIX system faces." ...

4. Title: Unix System - Advanced Administration and Management Handbook
Author: Bruce Hunter and Karen Hunter
Publisher: MacMillan
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-02-358950-7
Comment: Another good book on system administration ...

5. Title: System Performance Tuning
Author: Mike Loukides
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-937175-60-9
Comment: A fine book for sys admins on how to fine tune your Unix
system(s) to do more work ...

F. Unix Security
********************

1. Title: Practical Unix Security
Authors: Simson Garfinkel and Gene Spafford
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-937175-72-2
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
Simply the best book in this field ...
"everything you need to know to make your UNIX system as
secure as it can be." ...

2. Title: Unix System Security - A Guide for Users and System Administrators
Author: David Curry
Publisher: Addision Wesley
Edition: 1992
ISBN: 0-201-56327-4
Comment: Good and comprehensive coverage ... With pointers to further info ...

3. Title: Unix System Security
Author: Rik Farrow
Publisher: Addison Wesley
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-201-57030-0
Comment: Another fine book on Unix security ...

4. Title: Site Security Handbook
Authors: Edited by Paul Holbrook and Joyce Reynolds
Edition: 1991
Comment: A guide to setting computer security policies and procedures
for sites that have systems on the Internet ...
This is rfc1244.txt which is available by anonymous ftp from
nic.ddn.mil (in rfc directory) ... Also rfc1281.txt - Guidelines
for the Secure Operation of the Internet ...

5. Title: Computer Security Basics
Authors: Deborah Russell and G T Gangemi Sr.
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-937175-71-4
Comment: A clear overview on many different security issues ...

6. Title: The Cuckoo's Egg
Author: Cliff Stoll
Publisher: Pocket Books
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-671-72688-9
Comment: A fascinating real story on computer espionage ...
A good alternative to this is Cyberpunk written by Katie Hafner
and John Markoff and published by Touchstone Book ...

G. Programming
******************

1. Title: The Unix Programming Environment
Authors: Brian Kernighan and Rob Pike
Publisher: Prentice-Hall
Edition: 1984
ISBN: 0-13-937681-X
Comment: A true classic on Unix programming ...

2. Title: Advanced Programming in The Unix Environment
Author: Richard Stevens
Publisher: Addison-Wesley
Edition: 1992
ISBN: 0-201-56317-7
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
A going-to-be classic on how programs work under Unix ...

3. Title: Advanced Unix Programming
Author: Marc Rochkind
Publisher: Prentice Hall
Edition: 1985
ISBN: 0-13-011818-4
Comment: A superb book covering all system calls in detail ...

4. Title: The C Programming Language
Authors: Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie
Publisher: Prentice Hall
Edition: 2nd ed. 1988
ISBN: 0-13-110362-8
Comment: This book is 200% a MUST for any C programmers ...

5. Title: C - A Reference Manual
Authors: Samuel Harbison and Guy Steel
Publisher: Prentice Hall
Edition: 3rd ed. 1991
ISBN: 0-13-110933-2
Comment: An authoritative reference to C programming language ...
A good companion to Kernighan and Ritchie ...

6. Title: The Waite Group's New Primer C Plus
Authors: Mitchell Waite and Stephen Prata
Publisher: Sams
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-672-22687-1
Comment: A really good introduction to C for beginners ...

7. Title: Practical C Programming
Author: Steve Oualline
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-937175-65-X
Comment: Yet another good C book describing how to create programs that
are easy to read, maintain and debug ...

8. Title: Using C on the Unix System
Author: David Curry
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-937175-23-4
Comment: This book is directed to (would-be) system programmers ...

9. Title: The Berkeley Unix Environment
Author: Nigel Horspool
Publisher: Prentice Hall
Edition: 2nd ed. 1992
ISBN: 0-13-089368-4
Comment: **** Highly Recommended ****
An excellent book on C programming for Berkeley Unix system ...
"a companion text intended for use in college and university
courses concerned with Compiler Construction, Software
Engineering and Operating Systems" ...

10. Title: The Waite Group's C++ Programming
Author: John Berry
Publisher: Sams
Edition: 1992
ISBN: 0-672-22771-1
Comment: A fine book on OOP with C++ (for Unix and Dos) ...

11. Title: Managing Projects with make
Authors: Steve Talbott and Andrew Oram
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 2nd ed. 1991
ISBN: 0-937175-90-0
Comment: An unique text on using make for software development ...

12. Title: The AWK Programming Language
Authors: Alfred Aho, Brian Kernighan and Peter Weinberger
Publisher: Addison-Wesley
Edition: 1988
ISBN: 0-201-07981-X
Comment: A complete description by the authors of awk ...

13. Title: Sed and Awk
Author: Dale Dougherty
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-937175-59-5
Comment: A very good work on programming / text processing with
sed and awk ...

14. Title: Programming Perl
Authors: Larry Wall and Randal Schwartz
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-937175--64-1
Comment: The authoritative guide to Perl - the programming language for
for any serious Unix users ...

H. TeX
**********

1. Title: The TeXbook
Author: Donald Knuth
Publisher: Addison Wesley
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-201-13448-9
Comment: The Bible ... A definite guide to typesetting with TeX ...

2. Title: TeX for the Impatient
Author: Paul Abrahams
Publisher: Addison-Wesley
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-201-51375-7
Comment: A more user-friendly handbook on TeX ...

3. Title: LATeX - A Document Preparation System
Author: Leslie Lamport
Publisher: Addison Wesley
Edition: 1986
ISBN: 0-201-15790-X
Comment: The bible for LATeX users ...

I. X Window System
**********************

1. Title: X Window System Users' Guide
Authors: Valerie Quercia and Tim O'Reilly
Publisher: O'Reilly
Edition: 1990 (Motif or MIT)
ISBN: 0-937175-61-7
Comment: Volume 3 in O'Reilly's excellent X-Window series ...
A fairly useful tutorial-type book to X11R4 ...

2. Title: The X Window System - A User's Guide
Author: Niall Manfield
Publisher: Addison Wesley
Edition: 1990
ISBN: 0-201-56344-4
Comment: Another good tutorial-type book to using X ...

3. Title: X Window System Programming and Applications with Xt
Author: Doug Young
Publisher: Prentice Hall
Edition: 1989 (Motif or Open Look)
ISBN: 0-13-497074-8
Comment: An excellent book on X programming ...

J. Dictionary
*****************

1. Title: The New Hacker's Dictionary
Author: Eric Raymond
Publisher: MIT Press
Edition: 1991
ISBN: 0-262-68069-6
Comment: This book corresponds to version 2.9.6 of the on-line
jargon file ... The latest (at the time of writing) is
version 2.9.10 (jargon2910.ascii.Z) which is available
by ftp from wuarchive.wustl.edu (in mirrors/gnu) ...
Changes since the publication of this book can be found
in the file jargon-changes.Z ...

K. Other Lists
******************

1. Title: Yet Another Book List
Author: Mitch Wright
Edition: August 4 1992
Comment: This is an excellent compilation of almost all Unix and C book
titles along with info for locating them and short reviews and
summaries of book contents ...
You can get it (yabl) by anonymous ftp from ftp.rahul.net (in
/pub/mitch/YABL) ...

2. Title: X Technical Bibliography
Author: Ken Lee
Edition: Sept 11 1992
Comment A good collection of publicly available X window system technical
materials ... The bibliography is posted periodically on
misc.books.technical and you can also get it by anonymous ftp
from pit-manager.mit.edu (in /pub/usenet/misc.books.technical) ...

3. Title: Network Reading List: TCP/IP, Unix and Ethernet
Author: Charles Spurgeon
Edition: 3.5 Feb 1992
Comment: This annotated list describes those items that cover the subject
areas well ... It is obtainable by anonymous ftp from ftp.uu.net
(in /inet/doc) ...

4. Title: Catalog of O'Reilly Books
Authors: O'Reilly staff
Edition: July 24 1992
Comment: You get can it (book.catalog.Z) by anonymous ftp from
ftp.ora.com ... where you can also find source codes for examples
in many books in the Nutshell and X series ...
Or read the online catalog on O'Reilly gopher server (telnet
gopher.ora.com login: gopher)
--
Samuel Ko (k...@sfu.ca) (aka: The Smart One)
Quasi-expert in Computer Books and Documentations ...

=========================== and here ==================================
--
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John M Dashner | This here's a Place where |
aka "pappy" | Southern Fried Unix is | This space for rent
Path: j...@wa4cyb.UUCP | proudly served to friends |
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Linux-Activists Digest #486, Volume #3 Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:30:48 EST

Contents:
Swapfiles under 98.3 (Joshua M Yelon)
Bugs in LINUX tar (?) (Joshua M Yelon)
'mkswap' missing. (Joshua M Yelon)
some questions... (Peter Pui Tak Chiu)
Re: Free UNIX for sale (pete cervasio)
Re: Free UNIX for sale (Jim Stewart)
Re: Do I have to clear DOS partition? (Mark Evans)
Re: h Ha! Things Work! (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Question about setting up X w/Diamond SpeedStar 24X/Paradise vid cards (Sam Shim)
Re: Uucp ? Working ? (Rick Kelly)
More colours ? (Paul Douglas Page)
MAXTOR (91066720 j r selleck)
Applications .. Benefits .. what do you do with it ? (91066720 j r selleck)
fig2dev (Marcus Wunderlich)
Re: BBS software for linux? (Vince Skahan)
Re: cron gets stuck. (Vince Skahan)
Re: News reader for Linux (Vince Skahan)
HELP ME PLEASE! :) (David Ayre)
Linux and my Motherboard (Yugene Loh)
Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ? (ANDRE SKARZYNSKI)
Re: MAXTOR (Kevin Routh)
IDE faster than SCSI-2 (Othman Ahmad)
Scheme for Linux (Karl Fogel)
Some interesting Novice Questions (not found in FAQ) (Dennis Dingeldein)
Re: Joe source available ??? (hod...@infko.uni-koblenz.de)

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Subject: Swapfiles under 98.3
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:32:07 GMT

I have been using a swapfile (not a swap partition, a swap FILE) for
some time now with no difficulty. However, last night, I just did
a big upgrade to 98.3 and the extended filesystem. Now, swapfiles
just don't seem to work. (I can easily get a swap partition to work,
but I don't want to repartition my harddisk again, I spent all of
yesterday doing that!) Is there anybody out there who can get 98.3+
extfs+swapfile to work?

- Josh

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From: jy1...@ehsn11.cen.uiuc.edu (Joshua M Yelon)
Subject: Bugs in LINUX tar (?)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:42:57 GMT

Last night I switched from minix FS to ext FS. Here are the steps
I went through:

* tarred my whole filesystem using gnu tar, split tarfile onto floppies.
* reformatted hard disk using mkefs.
* reloaded software from floppy using the tar on the 0.98 rootdisk.

Much to my chagrin, though, the tar on the root floppy didn't seem
to quite understand the tarfile format: it loaded the files up ok,
and got all the chmod bits right, but got most of the file ownerships
wrong! Needless to say, this took a long time to fix.

It may be important that I use UID's greater than 1000... although
I can't see why that would be a problem, it IS unusual.

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From: jy1...@ehsn11.cen.uiuc.edu (Joshua M Yelon)
Subject: 'mkswap' missing.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:46:09 GMT

While trying to figure out the swapfile bug, I discovered that
the source code for 'mkswap' isn't at tsx-11 or sunsite.

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From: pp...@cec1.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu)
Subject: some questions...
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 02:21:02 GMT

hi dear linux users,

i would like to ask the following questions:

1. how do you compare linux and 386bsd?
2. where to get X-windows system for linux? (is Xfree the only choice?)
3. where to get linux?
4. which one would you recommend, linux/386bsd?
5. are there more softwares available for linux than 386bsd?
6. is there software like: ada, lisp, scheme, prolog for linux?

i would really appreciate it if you can kindly give me a reply.

please send email to pp...@cec1.wustl.edu

thanx a lot!!!

peter

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From: pe...@q106fm.uucp (pete cervasio)
Subject: Re: Free UNIX for sale
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 00:05:38 CST

torv...@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes:

| In article <1992Nov4.1...@fwi.uva.nl> st...@fwi.uva.nl (Bram) writes:
.......
| >I dont know about you, but I would be pissed off, if someone
| >started making money on the stuff I worked so hard at.
|
| Why be pissed off? It's really a compliment. And believe me: getting
| money may be fun, but when you get T-shirts, virtual beer, book offers
| and enough money to pay off your computer, *even without asking for it*
| (dropping a few hints, maybe ;-), it's worth a lot more. Hey, I might
| no get rich on linux, but I'm certainly being poor with style, eh?

Hey, if you ever get to St. Louis, MO, on a Saturday night, come to a
bar named "Rivers" (on the Mississippi river landing) and look for the
DJ booth. Tell the folks there that you're looking for me. We
broadcast live there every Saturday night and you and I will try to
drink the tab up... if you can stand American beer, that is... :-)

(I've saved the description Lars gave a while back, so you other folks
can forget trying to impersonate him just for the free beer!) :-)

Pete C.

+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Pete Cervasio | pete%q106f...@wupost.wustl.edu |
| I fish, therefore I am. | pete.c...@f1.n2250.z1.fidonet.org |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| If you think of C as a preprocessor for your assembler, it makes |
| just as little sense as before. (me) |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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From: ste...@wimsey.bc.ca (Jim Stewart)
Subject: Re: Free UNIX for sale
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:36:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.1...@klaava.Helsinki.FI> torv...@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes:

| [...stuff about the joys of free software deleted...]
| ... Hey, I might
|no get rich on linux, but I'm certainly being poor with style, eh?
^^^^
Linus! you ARE a Canadaian !!! ... this .fi stuff is just to keep the
press from hounding you... right?
|
| Linus

js from_C_eh?_N_eh?_D_eh?_:)

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From: eva...@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Do I have to clear DOS partition?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:24:51 GMT

waar...@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg) writes:
: Hi,
:
: I'm just new to this newsgroup and this is probably a FAQ, but anyway:
:
: I have a harddisk with C: and D: DOS partitions and I want to install Linux
: on the D-partition. Can I install Linux *WITHOUT* removing the data from
: DOS partition C:? (I know when I run the DOS fdisk program, all data on all
: partitions will be lost. Is this also true for the Linux fdisk program?)

What version of fdisk are you using, usually it will only touch the
partition you have altered.
Linux fdisk only does anything with the MBR, it does nothing with
the data on the rest of the disk.
If you alter a partition (especially if you reduce the size of it) you should
reformat it.
Thus if you don't touch the partition table entry for C: then you will
not loose any data.

How is your disk currently partitioned?
At a guess
/dev/hda1 MSDOS (c:)
/dev/hda2 EXTENDED
/dev/hda3 empty
/dev/hda4
/dev/hda5 MSDOS (d:) (logical partition)

In this case you can leave /dev/hda1 alone, not touching your c: drive
and do what you like to the other partitions
--
=========================================================================
Mark Evans |eva...@uhura.aston.ac.uk
+(44) 21 565 1979 (Home) |eva...@cs.aston.ac.uk
+(44) 21 359 6531 x4039 (Office) |

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From: ins...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: h Ha! Things Work!
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:10:59 GMT

tim....@rose.com (tim foley) writes:

|Date Entered: 11-03-92 12:04
|
| Finally...things are a little more organized! I got getty_ps and
|installed UU-GETTY...works like a charm (So Far... :). Should be added to
|SLS!
haven't given it a proper go yet, although i used the wrong syntax when i
did, and then discovered my bootdisks were stuffed, and had to sector edit
my inittab file to comment out the uugetty call :(
my own fault entirely...

But it works now...
Do you need to do anything to dial out of the line or does it work that
out itself ?
(i haven't done any real testing yet...)
|
| Thanks for all the help with the stupid uucp problem...
|
|Now back to older nagging problems...
|
| 1) Where can I find the lib LIBTERMLIB.A ?
Change your makefile to use the library called termcap instead
ie. change -ltermlib to -ltermcap
That usually works...[B
|
| 2) How do you apply kernel patches (0.98.1 to 098.3 eg)
| (Or is there a faq or doc on this somewhere....)
Well, there oughta be...
I'm quite sure there is somewhere.
Anywyay, get the source, and untar it so it ends up in /usr/src/linux
then cd /usr/src and say
patch < patchfile
and away you go...
watch out for it saying "hunk failed", although it goes by so fast
you may want to do patch < patchfile | tee file
and look through file afterwards...

|
| 3) Anyone solved the mysterious lock-up system for no
| reason bug? I actually had the system running for a day
| and a half with no problems...then...screeech!
Hardly had it, although i haven't really the need to leave it running all
the time (yet 8-)

BTW, what happened to trapping of Ctrl-Alt-Del to call reboot ?
It disappeared towards the end of 0.97-start of 0.98, and i kinda
miss it (no drama, just wondering...)

Cos !
--
Andrew J. Cosgriff ! ins...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
ins...@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
c...@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
"Language is a virus from outer space" - William S. Burroughs

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From: sh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sam Shim)
Subject: Question about setting up X w/Diamond SpeedStar 24X/Paradise vid cards
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:48:21 GMT

I currently have X running on my PC, but only in 640x480. However,
my Diamond SpeedStar 24X is supposedly compatible with the Paradise
chipset, so I was able to bring up X in 800x600, but it was interlaced.
Now I'm trying to set it up for 800x600 non-interlaced. I would appreciate
any suggestions on how to do it. I especially would like to know how
other people with the 24X video card have set up X. In addition, I would
also like to know how people with Paradise cards currently have X configured.
Are they get an interlaced mode running X in 800x600?

I also have several questions about X that hopefully someone can answer.
1. What exactly are the 'clocks' numbers in Xconfig? Do these numbers have
to be in any particular order? How do these numbers apply to each video
mode?
2. How do you set up Linux so xdm starts automatically?
3. And, can someone point me to where I can get the wd90C00 video driver
for X?

Thanks!

-Sam-

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Subject: Re: Uucp ? Working ?
From: r...@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:49:47 GMT
Reply-To: r...@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <720766...@grendel.demon.co.uk> j...@grendel.demon.co.uk (Jim Segrave) writes:
|
|In article <TERJEVE.92...@bera.ifi.uio.no> ter...@ifi.uio.no (Terje Vernly) writes:
|
|
|> You will have to escape til !-sign, or else the shell will interpret
|> it. When then shell encounters '!/user/src/LISTING' it will search
|> the command-history for a command beginning with '/user/src/LISTING'
|> and excute it. Try typing '!ls', and the shell will execute the last
|> ls you did.
|>
|> Try this : uucp nucleus\!/user/src/LISTING listing
|If you're using bash and this works, please let me know. As far as I know,
|bash will kindly not search the history - that's the good bit - but
|leaves the backslash in the command line - the not so clever bit. You
|need to use the bash command to stop ! expansion to get around this. I
|raised this question a whil back and several people responded with the
|correct incantation to stop history expansion. Unfortunately, I can't
|remember it at the moment, and since I have to read news under dos until
|I can get slip and tcp/ip running, I can't read the man page to tell you
|what the command is. I fear bashes escaping of ! is broken.

To turn off csh history searching in bash:

set +H

Rick Kelly r...@rmkhome.UUCP unixland!rmkhome!rmk r...@frog.UUCP

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From: p...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Paul Douglas Page)
Subject: More colours ?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:16:44 +1100

I have a Tseng Mega Eva 2 board in my Linux system and it's capable
of producing 32,000 colours in 800x600 mode under DOS. I would like
to display files that I produce in Rayshade or POVray in 32,000
colours under Linux. Has anyone written a program to do this?
Or could someone point me in the right direction of whats required
and I will have a go myself?

Thanks in advance.

------------------------------

From: jrse...@socs.uts.edu.au (91066720 j r selleck)
Subject: MAXTOR
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:17:33 GMT

was wondering if Linux gets along with a 213 Mb Maxtor Hd.

I dont yet have linux or the HD as linux does fit on an 80 MB HD that has only 8 megs left after windows and games... :( Maybe I should get my priorites right ?!?!?

Any way I was looking at getting a MAXTOR HD it is 213 Megs and has a 15 ms access time..`
Thats about all I know about it, but I was hoping someone who uses both could tell me what they think..

James

------------------------------

From: jrse...@socs.uts.edu.au (91066720 j r selleck)
Subject: Applications .. Benefits .. what do you do with it ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:21:05 GMT

have heard a fair bit about linux and how good it is..
I would like to be able to do my uni programming assignments at home and figure that linux would offer me this..

But what else can I do with it ??
Do I give over 30 megs of HD just for programming when I already have Borland c++

What other programs are available ?? Are their any games (of what sort) and are their any word processors or other stuff that I would normally use my PC for ??

Is it worth the trouble on a 386 25 (with no cache) * megs RAM ?

Thanks to whoever replies !

James

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From: wun...@dfv.rwth-aachen.de (Marcus Wunderlich)
Subject: fig2dev
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 17:54:46 GMT

Hi Linuxers,

during the last weeks I saw some of you looking for the binary
fig2dev which translates fig-files into latex- or postscript-format.
Some days ago I compiled it and if some of you are interested I try
to make it available as a binary.

Marcus

--
____________________________________________________________________________
Marcus Wunderlich Germany
Habsburger Allee 23 Tel. : +49-241-79986
W-5100 Aachen e-mail: wun...@dfv.rwth-aachen.de

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From: vi...@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: BBS software for linux?
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:00:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.2...@iitmax.iit.edu> ths...@iitmax.iit.edu (Gautam Das) writes:
|Hi everyone,
|
|I recall reading news sometime back about a bbs software source
|available for linux. I can't remember what the name of the package
|was. Can any one tell me what the name of this package is and
|where it is available (ftp site)?

Tom Dell's 'waffle' bbs works perfectly with Linux.
$120.00 for the sources.

--
---------- Vince Skahan --------- vi...@victrola.sea.wa.us ----------
Running Linux/C-news/trn/Elm/Smail - we don't need no steenkin' MS-DOS

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From: vi...@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: cron gets stuck.
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:58:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.1...@muug.mb.ca> g...@muug.mb.ca (Greg K. Moeller) writes:
|I'm using cron to spawn UUCP and news shells, etc.
|The problem is that when I replace the crontab entry for either of these
|(crontab -u news -r news.tab[as root]) the entryy gets replaced ok, but cron
|gets stuck. It doesn't do anything for anyone at all. I have to kill it
|and restart it. From my reading of the docs for cron, it's supposed to
|notice that the file has changed, and re-read it.
|

I've found that if I change a crontab entry, I have to do a "
"kill `cat /etc/cron.pid` ; /etc/crond"
to get cron to reinitialize off the new entry. I tried a kill -HUP but
it killed it dead rather than re-initializing off the files.

--
---------- Vince Skahan --------- vi...@victrola.sea.wa.us ----------
Running Linux/C-news/trn/Elm/Smail - we don't need no steenkin' MS-DOS

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From: vi...@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: News reader for Linux
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:14:23 GMT

Es...@polaris.utu.fi (Sami-Pekka Hallikas) writes:

|Do I have to say more ?.. I need good Newsreader (ftp address) like Unix
|rn, trn or nn.

I just got the 'nn6.4.16' from sunsite.unc.edu to work tonight,
so you'll see that in a future newspak with matching pathnames,
etc. with the other pieces.

The key is that the current nn on sunsite is set to use the optional
'words' in the nndb rather than the default 'numbers' to represent
each newsgroup.

I'm running vanilla linux without the long filename extensions,
so I can't run the extended filenames in the nn database.

thanks to David Black for uploading 'nn' and to Jurgen Kammer for
the e-mail'd offer of help (and to all the other folks whose names
escape me at the moment)!!!

So, the inventory goes like this at this time:
C-news (with or without the '92 optional speedups)
trn2.2
tin1.1pl4
nn6.4.16
smail3.1.28

Others have the current patchlevels of trn/tin/nn running so I'll
grab the additional patch or two for each and make them available
in a future newspak. I'll also continue to include readme.linux
files and config files in a separate .tar.Z file that includes all
the parts of newspak so folks can just grab the config files if they
have the sources already but can't get 'em to work.

[...PeterMacDonald - please drop me a line. I'd like to include
the newspak stuff in a future SLS if you're interested...
The last time I tried, I got your automatic mail reflector...]

--
---------- Vince Skahan --------- vi...@victrola.sea.wa.us ----------
Running Linux/C-news/trn/Elm/Smail - we don't need no steenkin' MS-DOS

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From: ay...@fraser.sfu.ca (David Ayre)
Subject: HELP ME PLEASE! :)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:14:46 GMT

Hi, I am still having troubles getting my Logitech Busman working with X11.

I have the SLS 0.98 dist. of linux.

Going on what I have read, everything is in order. My mouse is on IRQ 5,
/dev/mouse has been "mknode 10 0", but X11 keeps either freezing up or
panicking on me!

Has anyone been able to get there Logitech Busmouse to work under X?

In dire need of assistance,

Storm D. J. Petersen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ay...@sfu.ca (attn: storm)
st...@cyberstore.ca
unix...@192.68.67.1

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From: ge...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Yugene Loh)
Subject: Linux and my Motherboard
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:22:45 GMT

Hi y'all,

Linux (both PL1 and PL3) hangs on me everytime after running
for a given amount of time ranging from 30 seconds to 30
minutes. I'd be forced to do a cold boot.

Here's my setup:

UMC motherboard (HEAT chipset (UM82C38x))
386DX-25
Award BIOS
4Mb RAM (384K stolen for shadowing :( )
Seagate ST1126A IDE HDD ("swift" family)
Trident 8900 SVGA and Hercules compat. for monochrome
Sound Blaster Pro

I recently swapped back to my old motherboard (386SX-16) and
everything works fine... but needless to say, X is unbearably
slow.

Any takers?

gene.

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From: an...@maties.sun.ac.za (ANDRE SKARZYNSKI)
Subject: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:37:50 GMT

Hi All!

I have trouble getting gwm v1.7 to compile. The problem seems to occur with
flex. There seems to have trouble getting the lex stuff processed correctly,
it might aslo have something to do with bison as well. I am afraid this is
rather sketchy, but I am not near my linux machine. I did use bison -y, so
the simple stuff is no problem, it is just when one compiles the proccessed
code it complains about yytext and other things not been defined.

Any help or suggestions will be much appreciated.

Regards
Andre.

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From: kro...@slee01.srl.ford.com (Kevin Routh)
Subject: Re: MAXTOR
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:52:38 GMT

jrse...@socs.uts.edu.au (91066720 j r selleck) writes:
: was wondering if Linux gets along with a 213 Mb Maxtor Hd.
:
: I dont yet have linux or the HD as linux does fit on an 80 MB HD that
: has only 8 megs left after windows and games... :( Maybe I should get
: my priorites right ?!?!?
:
: Any way I was looking at getting a MAXTOR HD it is 213 Megs and has
: a 15 ms access time..`
: Thats about all I know about it, but I was hoping someone who uses
: both could tell me what they think..
:
: James

I have heard that the Maxtor 213 does not get along with other IDE
drives. You cannot mix it with a Seagate or a Conner IDE and have
them work together as master/slave. I know two cases where it didn't
work. Be careful! It is tempting with the price of the Maxtor drive.
--
Kevin C. Routh Internet: kro...@slee01.srl.ford.com
Ford Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF
ELD IC Engineering
17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
From: eoa...@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: IDE faster than SCSI-2
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:07:16 GMT

I posted an iozone benchmark using my 386/25Mhz machine which shows that
it is slightly slower than a SCSI-2 hard-disk. Now with a 486/33, IDE is
definitely faster than a EISA SCSI-2 486/50MHZ hard-disk.
Iozone uses normal unix system calls for writing to disks, after all,
that is how we write C programs.
I may try to run a more sophisticated file system tester called
bi? later on.

JUlian's machine
is a 50MHz EISA 486 with a 1.3GB drive attached via a Bustek 742a SCSI2
adapter. It has 16MB of ram. Part of the disk (about 200MB is taken up
by mach2.6 and is unavailable to 386bsd.

I checked the load on this machine, it is very light. There is only another
user apart from I.

iozone 1

Writing the 1 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...1.766667 seconds
Reading the file...1.983333 seconds

IOZONE performance measurements:
593534 bytes/second for writing the file
528694 bytes/second for reading the file

Running on 486/33 with 256Kbyte RAM cache, maxtor 200Mbyte IDE hard-disk,
8Mbyte main RAM.

Whereas the IDE runs XFree86 and open look window manager.
I only use 1 megabyte for test file size.

IOZONE performance measurements:
873813 bytes/second for writing the file
452623 bytes/second for reading the file

Both machine uses 386bsd 0.1 heavily patched, so the timing measurements
are consistent with each other.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoa...@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoa...@ntuvax.bitnet

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From: kfo...@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Karl Fogel)
Subject: Scheme for Linux
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:33:01 GMT

I have SCM, a free, copylefted Scheme implementation that is
fully R^4RS-compliant, running on my Linux system. Is anyone else
interested? I can upload the necessary binaries to a Linux site if
wanted. Or ftp to altdorf.ai.mit.edu and get the source yourself and
compile. SCM's only major flaw (that I've found at any rate) is that
it doesn't support bignums. Then again, the source code is there :-)

I would be very interested in hearing about MIT-Scheme if
anyone has compiled it and gotten it running. It's huge, and it would
be a major pain for me download (what with disk quotas and all), so I
am loathe to go get it and compile it myself, but they do have a
version that's supposed to compile for i386 machines (v7.2), and in
fact, Linux is specifically mentioned as one of the PC-Unixes
("Unices"?) it should compile on, in the readme files. Anyone out
there got it running under Linux?

If you want me to upload SCM, then email me or post to c.o.l.

Karl Fogel ("Leg of Lark") : Member, League for Programming Freedom.
kfo...@cs.oberlin.edu : *** Help stop the patenting of ideas now! ***
fo...@antares.mcs.anl.gov : Feel free to mail me for more info on the LPF
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Any opinions disclaimed are entirely my own.

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From: ding...@igd.fhg.de (Dennis Dingeldein)
Subject: Some interesting Novice Questions (not found in FAQ)
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:36:51 GMT

Hi!
Here are some question of a Linux-novice. Please post me your
opinion(s), even if you want to answer just one question.
Every mail is apprechiated, if there is a large echo I'll summarize.

1) Would you state that Linux is good enough to buy a PC just to run
Linux/X11 on it ?

2) Is a 15'' Monitor (1024x768ni, >80Hz) "good" enough to read the X11

default fonts of X11 ? Or is 15'' a pain ?

3) Does Linux support Local Bus Architectures ?

4) There is a S3 X Server 0.0. Is it a good idea to buy a S3 card

or will this server work only with some (a few) S3 cards, but not with
the most/all cards ? (the low speed of 0.0 would be no problem, I believe
that will change in the next months)

5) Is it a good idea to use one singe efs-partition of lets say 200 MB

for all the Linux stuff ? Are there disadvantages for this efs solution
(efs=extended file system) compared to a set of "usual fs" partitions ?

6) I noticed that mkefs failed ("not enough memory") to make a 160MByte

efs on a 486 with 4MB memory. Is there a work around (besides using
another partition as swap partition...). 140MB worked well (as I
remember)

Dennis
--
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(ding...@igd.fhg.de) Wilhelminenstr. 7 mWm
D-6100 Darmstadt, Germany ~.~
Phone: +49/6151/155-112 Fax: +49/6151/155-199 \-/

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From: hod...@infko.uni-koblenz.de
Subject: Re: Joe source available ???
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 13:23:03 GMT

In article <ellis.720844245@nova> el...@nova.gmi.edu (Stew Ellis) writes:
|
|I just checked the availability of joe. It is still available for anonymous
|ftp at wpi.wpi.com in /stusrc.

Could someone PLEASE put this onto tsx11 so that it gets onto the other
mirror sites? I've been looking for this for ages. Ever since I moved to 4.1
of the jump libs I've had to make do with vi.

MBMANAGER

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Linux-Activists Digest #488, Volume #3 Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:30:30 EST

Contents:
Re: Swap speed - my machine is a potted plant! (Roger D Binns)
Re: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ? (M. Saggaf)
STILL can't get old microsoft busmouse to work (Daniel Supernaw-Issen)
Looking for David Chen (Ed)
Re: X won't restore text mode -- what to do (Ed)
SLS install in 2 MB (Todd Walk)
ompiler Headaches!!! (tim foley)
Re: MAXTOR (Todd Walk)
HELP NEEDED (J. Petersen)
Re: DVI program for Epson 9- or 24-pin printer? (Andre Sonnichsen)
Re: Is there a port of Perl? ( Ian Justman)
X and EGA ( Ian Justman)
"broken pipe" on shutdown/reboot/halt??? (Charles F. Teague II)
Re: SLS distributed kernel compiled with TCP/IP enabled? (Steeve McCauley)
Re: Help Please! -> TCP/IP (Steeve McCauley)
Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron? (Mika Iisakkila)
Re: Do I have to clear DOS partition? (Jerry van Waardenberg)
Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron? (Chuck Cairns)
Re: Problems with ST01 and SQ5510 (Louis Lagendijk)

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From: cs8...@brunel.ac.uk (Roger D Binns)
Subject: Re: Swap speed - my machine is a potted plant!
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:56:13 GMT

Glenn Wasserman (gl...@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: Is there any way to make swapping more efficient under linux? I don't want to
: make a swap partition, but when the system needs resources under X and resorts
: to swapping, the speed of the system degrades to a point where it's almost use-
: less. I have to simply wait until it's done swapping.
:

The easiest long term way is to fork out a few dollars for another 4MB of
memory.

Roger
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| system - buy an Intel chip to run your Lotus software TODAY. |
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From: alsa...@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf)
Subject: Re: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:52:46 GMT

|>>>> On 5 Nov 92 08:37:50 GMT, an...@maties.sun.ac.za (ANDRE SKARZYNSKI) said:

AS> Hi All!

AS> I have trouble getting gwm v1.7 to compile. The problem seems to occur with
AS> flex. There seems to have trouble getting the lex stuff processed correctly,
AS> it might aslo have something to do with bison as well. I am afraid this is
AS> rather sketchy, but I am not near my linux machine. I did use bison -y, so
AS> the simple stuff is no problem, it is just when one compiles the proccessed
AS> code it complains about yytext and other things not been defined.

AS> Any help or suggestions will be much appreciated.

If you want to compile gwm, you have to use lex and yacc. Flex and
bison won't do.

--
/M. Saggaf
alsa...@athena.mit.edu

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From: cosc...@menudo.uh.edu (Daniel Supernaw-Issen)
Subject: STILL can't get old microsoft busmouse to work
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:46:00 GMT

Hi. I have one of those very very very old microsoft busmice, the kind
that hangs off of an 8-bit card. I have yet to get linux .98pl3 (or any
previous verson) to recognize it. It was suggested that I take out the
ATI_XL... stuff from mouse.h . This was done with no appreciable result.
I'm desperately trying to avoid buying a serial mouse because I have but
two ports: one drives my modem, the other I wish to keep to drive a terminal.
Any ideas? Linus? ANYONE? HELP!

Any help is deeply appreciated.

Daniel

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From: ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ed)
Subject: Looking for David Chen
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:20:09 GMT

Could David Chen (claiming to be da...@mis.nccu.edu.tw) please mail me, and
send me a valid return path this time please!
--
Julian Edwards, alias Ed.| email: ee8...@ee.surrey.ac.uk
Dept. of Elec. Eng. |
University Of Surrey | Witty comment will be available when I'm feeling
Guildford. ENGLAND. | more witty.

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From: ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ed)
Subject: Re: X won't restore text mode -- what to do
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:21:51 GMT

Sami-Pekka Hallikas (Es...@polaris.utu.fi) wrote:
: cs8...@brunel.ac.uk (Roger D Binns) writes:
: >Sami-Pekka Hallikas (Es...@polaris.utu.fi) wrote:
: >> When I end my X session, the screen stays in graphics mode. The
:
: >I have found (ET4000) that my text mode is only restored properly if I
: >choose SVGA mode 1. Any other modes wont work. Since it is 100x40, I can
: >live with it.
:
: But I have not choices any text modes, I allways press space when computer
: ast those damn text modes... Hmm. Maybe it won't like NORMAL mode :-/
:
: >Roger
: Semi ;)

This also happens if you run X without the required kernel - at least
0.97p4 I think.

--
Julian Edwards, alias Ed.| email: ee8...@ee.surrey.ac.uk
Dept. of Elec. Eng. |
University Of Surrey | Witty comment will be available when I'm feeling
Guildford. ENGLAND. | more witty.

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From: wa...@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk)
Subject: SLS install in 2 MB
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:37:37 GMT

I've got the SLS version and when I do a "doinstall" it tells me
I'm out of memory (I've only got 2 MB).

Is there anyway to get around this?
(I'm not going to buy more memory until it gets back to at least
reasonable prices.)

Todd Walk
wa...@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: tim....@rose.com (tim foley)
Subject: ompiler Headaches!!!
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:45:35 GMT

Date Entered: 11-05-92 11:38

Well...now I see why people go batty compiling programs on different
systems....sheesshh....I think I've pulled all of what was left of my hair
and arm chair cover!

Anyways, back to business...a few problems...sigh!

Config: 486 25mhz
8 meg ram
40 meg MFM
ATI Vga Wonder w/ Multisync II
Linux 0.98p1-37 (SLS Distrib)

1) I constantly get this message when compiling programs:

cc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11

But if it just retype make again, it keeps on going happy and usually works
too...any idea whats going on?

2) Almost all programs I get give this message (just a warning though):

pass arg2 of 'signal' from incompatible pointer type

Is this important? It just keeps on going (just like the Energizer Bunny :)

3) While trying to use Broken Throne Version 2.05 got this message from the
program btclient:

socket create: invalid argument
server unreachable
:invalid argument

I'm not using the -p port option, just running it locally...and it compiled
reasonably happily! Any ideas? (Do I need to add something to the kernal
such as TCP?)

4) SAIL! refuses to compile under 0.98p1 but I have it running on 0.97...
Gives this little squawk while compiling...

pl_main.o : the 'gets' function is unreliable and should
not be used.

pl_7.o : Undefined symbol _tstp
referenced from text segment

Any ideas whats happening here?

In general, I have tried lots of compiler options (-static, -nojump, -Dusg,
-Dposix...etc...). Does anyone have a reasonalby complete list of needed
compiler flags for Linux? The faq is far too vague...

Thanks Guys
Tim

P.S. By the way...the system is now up with uugetty...give it a try at
416-238-6550, login as guest and have a look around.
(HST Speed, no V.32)

---
ATP/Linux 1.3b ----[ Another Smug Linux User ]----
RM 2.00 : RoseNet<=>Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285

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From: wa...@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk)
Subject: Re: MAXTOR

Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:50:12 GMT

kro...@slee01.srl.ford.com (Kevin Routh) writes:

|I have heard that the Maxtor 213 does not get along with other IDE
|drives. You cannot mix it with a Seagate or a Conner IDE and have
|them work together as master/slave. I know two cases where it didn't
|work. Be careful! It is tempting with the price of the Maxtor drive.

Just got mine about a week ago. Don't know about conflicts w/
seagate and conner, but it's working fine w/ my 42MB western digital ide.

One thing is that the maxtor is a new drive design, and may not
work with many older (before about mid '89) drives and cards.

Todd Walk
wa...@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: hl3...@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (J. Petersen)
Subject: HELP NEEDED
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:06:14 GMT

Hi World !

I've got some trouble to boot linux from floppy on my machine.
trouble means I can't boot the linux bootimages 0.96plc, 0.97pl1,
0.97pl6, 0.98pl1. The same images boot on other machines.

I got a 486DX/50 with unknown chipset
Adaptec 1542B
Conner Cp3540 SCSI
NE2000 NetworkAdaptor
ET4000 Targa Win+ Videocard
Logitech Mouse at COM1:

What happens at boottime ?
Linux recognizes at boottime the comports ... and at last the scsi-interface
scsi : Adaptec 1542 and ....urrghhh the machine hangs.

Is there anybody who may help me ?
Thanks in advance ..

-joerg

jo...@diana.uni-duisburg.de
Fachbereich 7 / Technische Informatik
Universitaet Duisburg

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From: 900...@dragon.acadiau.ca (Andre Sonnichsen)
Subject: Re: DVI program for Epson 9- or 24-pin printer?

Date: 5 Nov 92 13:38:16 GMT

rc...@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Chen) writes:

|Use dvips and the print it with ghostscript. Works great.

How do you tell ghostscript where to print the output?
I compiled in the epson driver, and used -sDEVICE=epson, but it won't
print. At first it said it couldn't find /dev/lbp so I created a symbolic
link to /dev/lp1 (my epson). Still no output.

Any ideas?

Andre Sonnichsen
900...@dragon.acadiau.ca

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From: ia...@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Ian Justman )
Subject: Re: Is there a port of Perl?
Date: 4 Nov 92 20:42:43 GMT

but...@cs.tulane.edu (Larry Butler) writes:
: The subject says it all.
:
: Larry

Grab a copy of the latest SLS distribution and it be in there.
--
Born to void warranties! ia...@ijpc.UUCP

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From: ia...@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Ian Justman )
Subject: X and EGA
Date: 4 Nov 92 20:47:52 GMT

Is it possible to use the words "X11" and "EGA" in the same sentence?
If so, how do I get the former to run with the latter? Many thanks
for any advice, good or bad.
--
Born to void warranties! ia...@ijpc.UUCP

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From: cte...@ra.cs.umb.edu (Charles F. Teague II)
Subject: "broken pipe" on shutdown/reboot/halt???
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:38:50 GMT

I've just recently started up X, from SLS0.98, and while installing, I
had the mouse setting wrong, so it locked up on me. After trying Cntl-Alt-Del
and several other likely key sequences (and many random ones...), I gave up
and powered down.

Now, when I try to shutdown linux, I get the normal shutdown output
up to the point where it should say "Now you can turn off the power".
Instead of that, I get "broken pipe", and the system is still active (ie,
no reboot/halt/shutdown) I thought I might have messed up these commands,
so I reinstalled them from the SLS disk, base.taz. No luck. I have tried
'fsck' and 'fsck -v', but neither report errors. (Does anyone have man pages
on fsck? I have no idea what options to specify...)

I assume that by powering down without a normal shutdown sequence, I
somehow invalidated something, probably my filesystem, so that the halt/
shutdown/reboot commands no longer work. The wierd thing is that these 3
seem to be the only ones affected (Yes, I know they're probably all accessing
the same something, so it's no coincidence that if one of these was affected,
the other 2 would also be, but nothing else on my system seems messed up).

Has this happened to anyone else? Can anyone tell me how it happened?
Or better yet, how to fix this?

Thanks mucho in advance,
--
Charles F. Teague II Net:cte...@cs.umb.edu Real:33 Sidney Ave, Lynn MA 01902
+------------------------------------+-----------------------+----------------+
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From: ro...@pooh.geophys.mcgill.ca (Steeve McCauley)
Subject: Re: SLS distributed kernel compiled with TCP/IP enabled?

Date: 5 Nov 92 15:57:38 GMT

E.A.Neonakis (neon...@ifigenia.csi.forth.gr) wrote:
: I have downloaded the SLS distribution of linux and tried to setup
: the TCP/IP but without success.
: I would like to know whether the kernel of the SLS distribution has been
: compiled with TCP/IP enabled or not.
:
No it is not. You will have to recompile the kernel. There is a readme
(README?) in /usr/src/linux that may help you to get started - this is the
stage that i'm presently at - but there are some other changes that also
have to be made. You should also get the source for the tcpip stuff and
I know of at least one change that had to be made to config.c there may
be others ... I'll find out when (or if) I actually get the tcp working!

Oh yeah. One especially important file is in /usr/src/linux/net and is
called Space.c. Here you can set the settings for your ethernet card (irq,
io address, memory ...). I wish you luck.

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From: ro...@pooh.geophys.mcgill.ca (Steeve McCauley)
Subject: Re: Help Please! -> TCP/IP
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:01:59 GMT

:
: Couldn't please the people who put together these packages
: redo this and this time include all needed files? It's
: really VERY hard for a newcomer to get a system up and
: running.

That's half the fun! ... Isn't it?

:-D

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From: iisa...@snakemail.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron?

Date: 5 Nov 92 14:51:49 GMT

ro...@sanger.chem.nd.edu (Doctor Math) writes:

|Intel, in their infinite wisdom, made the 487SX and 486DX physically
|incompatible, so you can't just plug the cheaper part into the faster board.

...unless you get a motherboard which allows 486SX, 486DX or 487SX all
in the same socket (not simultaneously, silly). In my motherboard it
takes 3 jumpers to configure the CPU type. Big deal. It is
manufactured by MG (no, I'd never heard of them either, but it says
"the most famous in the world" on the box...). Can accomodate anything
up to 486DX-50.

--
Segmented Memory Helps Structure Software

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From: waar...@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg)
Subject: Re: Do I have to clear DOS partition?

Date: 5 Nov 92 13:54:11 GMT

|>
|> Can someone mail me a FAQ list?
|>
|> Thanx!

Someone already sent me a FAQ list, so please don't send me any more lists.

Jerry

*------------------------------------------------------------------------------*

Jerry van Waardenberg ______ ____ _____ _____
Tele Informatics and Open Systems / / / / /_
Department of Computer Science / / / / -_
University of Twente, Enschede, The Netherlands / __/_ /____/ _____/
E-mail: waar...@cs.utwente.nl

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: chu...@fc.hp.com (Chuck Cairns)

Subject: Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron?

Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:23:20 GMT

I sure am glad that this bunch is NOT in charge at Intel. It seems that
many techie types never forgave Intel for the original 486sx chip which
had the disabled FP unit. I think it was a stroke of genius. Almost all
pre 486 systems had NO FP. So clearly most people didn't need the FP.
So whoy not offer them what they need at lower price. The COST of the chip
is not in the one-by-one production its in the plant to make these things
in the first place and the R&D cost of design. Intel is faced with a semi
commodity market and yes it's in Intel's interest to keep ahead of the
competition.

Now the 486SX is it's own die and is smaller and available in a plastic
pack. As I remember the SX parts are down in the ~$100 range in quantity.

If Intel had invented the SX first with an offboard FP usnit and then
announced the new and improved DX with "on-board FP" then everyone would
have a much different attitude.

BTW I see LOTS of 486 SX units in the stores now. Even HP has one that
lists at like $1200 w/o disk or monitor. So Intel has put 486 "iron"
down into the price range of many many more consumers.

Shareholders are not interested in how "hokey" some particular approach
is they want profits! Consumers are not interested in how Intel originally
designed something, they're only interested in bang/$. I'd say Intel is right on
track.

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From: etm...@stills.ericsson.se (Louis Lagendijk)
Subject: Re: Problems with ST01 and SQ5510
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:08:31 GMT

Well it is not much that I got to offer you but:
I have a 386/40 with a 210 rodime IDE and a Seagate ST01 with a ST296.
Under dos
and Linux the HD works fine (exept for the well known, rather limited speed)
When I use HLU's root disk, I also get the error 04 after which Lilo tries to
reboot.

I have not worried about it too much, as I have everything going. I have not had the
time to investigate the problem in more detail, so I do not know whether LILO is to blame.
I expect Lilo to have some problems in this case, as copying a working kernel and rerunning
Lilo did not seem to correct the problem.

Louis

MBMANAGER

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Linux-Activists Digest #493, Volume #3 Fri, 6 Nov 92 08:15:12 EST

Contents:
compiling ghostscript/view (Michael Will)
Can't run shell! (SLS) I'm loosing my hair! (Hallvard Paulsen)

Re: SLS-Permission-Drama (elm/mail) (Michael Will)

How to tell linux about bad blocks? (Hallvard Paulsen)
Re: GNUCC 2.3.1 Available (H.J. Lu)
Re: MAXTOR (Jim Nelson)
Re: 'cfmakeraw' library call? (H.J. Lu)
Re: Splitting comp.os.linux (Patrick Taylor)
SLS update (Peter MacDonald)
CFV Update: comp.os.linux split - NO acknowledgements (Ian Jackson)
linux crashes (Jarkko Aitti)
SLIP support for Linux? (Drew William Hess)
nice success story (Jonathan Magid)
Re: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ? (Leif Kornstaedt)
Expert advice needed (Kurt M. Alonso)
Re: need help with permissions (Lennart Benschop)
Problems with SLS root disk. HELP! (Jerry van Waardenberg)
"mkswap" program wanted (Stefan Tex)

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From: mich...@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Michael Will)
Subject: compiling ghostscript/view
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:31:08 GMT

I tried to compile ghostscript 2.5.2, and got:
echo -lsocket -lm >>_temp_

/bin/sh <_temp_
ld: No such file or directory for libsocket.a
make: *** [gs] Error 1
#
Why this?

Someone told me it should "make" without trouble on linux.

Ghostview failed as well:
# make
gcc -fwritable-strings -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -m386 -DNO_ASM -I/usr/X386/include -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_GNU_SOURCE -Dlinux -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -DNON_BLOCKING_IO -DSELFILE -DHOME_ON_DEMAND -c misc.c -o misc.o
misc.c:61: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
/usr/include/errno.h:8: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
make: *** [misc.o] Error 1

So what?

Greetings, Michael Will

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From: hall...@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
Subject: Can't run shell! (SLS) I'm loosing my hair!
Reply-To: hall...@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 07:18:03 GMT

This is driving me crazy!

I've got the SLS package (including the z?fix.taz files), and
there is now way I can do anything as a user. Well actually the errors I
get is:

shell-init:permission denied (when I log in)
pwd : permission denied (every time i type a command)

But when I check it turns out that my commands (like creating files
deleting files and so on) are usually executed. The problem seems to
be shell commands *only*. (that is since PS1="pwd"# I allways get a
permission denied message)

So: How do I make the shell usable for users?

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|| \\|| NORWEGIAN MARINE TECHNOLOGY RESEARCH INSTITUTE
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From: mich...@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Michael Will)
Subject: Re: SLS-Permission-Drama (elm/mail)

Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:26:23 GMT

ter...@ifi.uio.no (Terje Vernly) writes:
|You'll have to set the sticky-bit on the mail-directory:
|chmod 1777 /usr/spool/mail

Yes, possible, but it still leaves the question, why this should not work:

drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 192 Nov 5 01:07 mail

elm and fastmail and newmail and printmail and wnewmail are of group mail,
elm is sgid. why can't it write into the mail-directory then?

Confused, Michael Will

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From: hall...@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
Subject: How to tell linux about bad blocks?
Reply-To: hall...@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 08:18:01 GMT

On my HD I've got a couple of bad sectors (or blocks or
whatever...) When I run the "find" command it allways stops at this
block an retries a couple of times before finaly giving up. Is there
any way I can tell linux about this bad spot on my hd so that
it doesn't try to read or write it?

Hallvard

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From: h...@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: GNUCC 2.3.1 Available
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:13:50 GMT

|You can now get GCC 2.3.1 from pub/gnu/gcc-2.3.1.tar.Z
|on prep.ai.mit.edu by anonymous ftp. Compressed diffs
|from version 2.2.2 in gcc-2.2.2-2.3.1.diff.Z are almost 2 meg.

I won't use gcc 2.3.1. It breaks quite a few things. I have made it
for Linux. But I will wait for at least 2.3.2.

H.J.

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From: jne...@plains.NoDak.edu (Jim Nelson)
Subject: Re: MAXTOR
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:36:47 GMT

In article <Bx8uF...@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> kro...@slee01.srl.ford.com (Kevin Routh) writes:
|jrse...@socs.uts.edu.au (91066720 j r selleck) writes:
|: was wondering if Linux gets along with a 213 Mb Maxtor Hd.
|:

Say what? I have one, and have used it with a ST-1127 and another
brand name that I have never heard of, and it worked nicely with both
of them. Now, I have two generations of the 213 (one of the old 1/2
height and one new slim line version) working.

Not with Linux, however. I did test it on them, but eventually I put
linux on the ST-1127. But it did work.

--
Jim, in the Land of the Lost. |Disclaimer: These are probably
ObQuote: Do Not Meddle in the Affairs of | opinions. I'm probably not
Wizards, For You are Crunchy, | supposed to have any.
and Good with Ketchup. | Blessed Be!

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From: h...@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: 'cfmakeraw' library call?
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:33:07 GMT

In article <Bx9t0...@ns1.nodak.edu>, gro...@isc.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (Johannes Grosen) writes:
|>
|> I've been wanting to have 'script' on my machine for some time
|> and decided to snarf the sources from the 4.3bsd-reno distribution.
|> There were no problems except for a call to a function 'cfmakeraw'
|> which I have never heard of before. From it's name and where it's
|> called I would assume it puts a terminal in raw mode but I hate
|> to 'ass-u-me' anything. Has anyone heard of this function? Can
|> anyone confirm my assumptions?
|>

It is in 4.2 :-). Please do check if that works or not.

H.J.
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/* Copyright (C) 1992 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This file is part of the GNU C Library.

The GNU C Library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
modify it under the terms of the GNU Library General Public License as
published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the
License, or (at your option) any later version.

The GNU C Library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU
Library General Public License for more details.

You should have received a copy of the GNU Library General Public
License along with the GNU C Library; see the file COPYING.LIB. If
not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave,
Cambridge, MA 02139, USA. */

#include <ansidecl.h>
#include <termios.h>

/* Set *T to indicate raw mode. */
void
DEFUN(cfmakeraw, (t), struct termios *t)
{
t->c_iflag &= ~(IGNBRK|BRKINT|PARMRK|ISTRIP|INLCR|IGNCR|ICRNL|IXON);
t->c_oflag &= ~OPOST;
t->c_lflag &= ~(ECHO|ECHONL|ICANON|ISIG|IEXTEN);
t->c_cflag &= ~(CSIZE|PARENB);
t->c_cflag |= CS8;
t->c_cc[VMIN] = 0;
/* t->c_cc[VTIME] = ?; */
}

------------------------------

From: exu...@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: Splitting comp.os.linux
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:31:59 GMT

In article <mq21H=r?f...@atlantis.psu.edu> ba...@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
|--
|System Administrator, Population Research Institute ba...@pop.psu.edu
| "An analogy is like instant coffee: it can wake you up, but it's
| not the real thing" -- Peter da Silva

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA...
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"This must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays"
- Douglas Adams
- Patrick Taylor ! PEROT IN '96 !
Ericsson Network Systems
exu...@exu.ericsson.se "Don't let the .se fool you"
or exu...@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org, exu.e...@memo.ericsson.se

------------------------------

From: pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald)
Subject: SLS update
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:46:26 GMT

Two things: from the HISTORY file.

921105: a4:zfix.taz: Hopefully fixed the permission problems in root.
b5:ghostscr.taz: Ghostscript compiled with most drivers.

The first fixes the "shell-init" and "permission denied" problem,
assuming it occurs in the "a" series. I really don't know why
this is happening. Someone who does a full install let me know
if it still happens.

Ghostscript has no fonts, but the b5 disk was half empty anyways.

Peter.

PS: In case someone wonders why SLS is so designed to be floppy
bound, I don't back up my system. If there is a major problem,
I backup my data and reinstall. This is why I developed SLS: at
first I tried for months to get others interested in it. But no
go, even with the enticement of being able to distribute it for
a fee. Finally, I did it myself, and got Softlanding to distribute
it for $3.25/disk. This is a money-losing proposition, mostly because
you can't advertise since it is to expensive, and there are no
barriers/restrictions on those buying it. Thus you will never
get a large outfit to send you an order for 30 units.

------------------------------

From: i...@cam-orl.co.uk (Ian Jackson)
Crossposted-To: news.groups,comp.os.mach,comp.os.minix,comp.os.bsd
Subject: CFV Update: comp.os.linux split - NO acknowledgements
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:28:48 GMT

Due to the outgoing mail flood causing problems at my site I regret
that I'm unable to send out any more individual acknowledgements.
Those people who have received them, lucky for you :-).

The rest of you will have to wait for the mass acknowledgement with
the 2nd CFV to see if your vote arrived correctly.

I shall continue to send out error messages for votes that my software
couldn't parse and which therefore weren't counted.

Ian Jackson.
--
Ian Jackson i...@cam-orl.co.uk ..!uknet!cam-orl!iwj These opinions are my own.
Olivetti Research Ltd, Old Addenbrookes Site, Trumpington St, Cambridge, UK;
Home: 35 Molewood Close, Cambridge, CB4 3SR; +44 223 327029. +44 223 343398

------------------------------

From: aj...@mits.mdata.fi (Jarkko Aitti)
Subject: linux crashes
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:54:07 GMT

Hi, i'm running linux 0.98.3 at my 486dx with no problems (almost),
BUT my friend who has 486sx have lots of problems with it.
(i'm posting this because he has no modem to use)

Machine:
Motherboard is marketed under name 'contaq' and uses AMI bios and is
compatible also with 486DX prosessors, it's a ISA bus, it has 486sx cpu.
There's some chips marked UMC, so maybe it's using UMC chipset (dunno if there
is UMC chipset, i heard these infos over phoneline)
4 Megs memory.

Harddisk is Maxtor LXT213A atv2.05 ( i think it's atid, and i don't know its
revision number)

There's also sounblaster card and oak vga card.

Software:
SLS 0.98.1 release (copy of mine which works), now upgraded to 0.98.3 kernel.
Using ext filesystem and one swappartition.

Problem:
Lots of different hangups at random interval, which does not depend if he is
using it or not. (at least seems like it)

errors:

Trying to free nonexistant swapspace
===============
ext_find_entry: Bad dir entry
device=770,dir=212,offset=520,reclen=770,name_len=0
===============
General protection:0000
elp:0008:0001 695b
eflag:00010286
fs:0017
base:00000000 limit:c0000000
pid:576,prosess nr 2
8b,50,24,89,15,e8,ab,04,00,c7
(these he gots at least one screenful at a time)
=================

Sometimes machine resets immediately after erros so it's hard to read them.
Previously he used mcc-0.97.2 release, and had no problems..
(those both were copies of mine, so disks should be allright)

how is he tried to fix it:
first after gotting that swap error, he reformatted swappartion.
(with -c option, allthought there is no erros)

After i heard that there's a maxtor harddisk, i remebered of reading lots about
problems with some revisions of it. (it's in my KILL file:)
So, i borrowed my wd controller and he had st-251 drive, which he first
formatted (lowlevel) and then started to install SLS release to it.

He got those 'general protection errors' while installing it, so it wasn't
maxtor which did those...

He is using dos and windows with no problems at all..

Resetted bios setups to defaults didn't help..

I saw one posting from someone who mentioned also having same kind of problems
with motherboard which had chips reading 'UMC'.

Name: Jarkko J. Aitti Mail: aj...@mits.mdata.fi

------------------------------

From: dh...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Drew William Hess)
Subject: SLIP support for Linux?
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:34:38 GMT

Is there any SLIP support for Linux?

-dwh-
dh...@cs.stanford.edu

------------------------------

From: j...@calypso.uucp (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: nice success story
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:55:27 GMT

Nice linux success story. Tonight I helped my friend Jim Fullton put SLS
on his 386/36 Zenith lap top with 4 megs of memory. Not only does
it work, we got X11 on it too, running ico in a root, an xterm, an xclock,
and compiling! :)

Btw, I am jealous with how easy it is to get X386 mono working (1 minute of
work) compared to 45 minutes on my ET4000. Doesn't seem fair... :)

Kudos from Jim to all...

ps. Jim said he would start porting WAIS to Linux next week or so...
quote: "IETF people will be sooooo jealous. I have a portable workstation!"
jem.

------------------------------

Crossposted-To: kl.test,alt.test
From: l_kornst%informatik...@stepsun.uni-kl.de (Leif Kornstaedt)

Subject: Re: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ?

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:18:02 GMT

In article <ALSAGGAF.9...@alfredo.mit.edu>, alsa...@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf) writes:
|> If you want to compile gwm, you have to use lex and yacc. Flex and
|> bison won't do.
|>

Yes, perhaps, but where can one get a lex or a yacc? I thought they were
(c) AT&T. I too had many problems with bison and would like to get an
implementation closer to the original.

--
==============================================================================
Leif Kornstaedt Excellent time to become a missing person.
email: l_kornst%poker.informa...@stepsun.uni-kl.de
==============================================================================

------------------------------

From: ku...@diku.dk (Kurt M. Alonso)
Subject: Expert advice needed
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:31:53 GMT

I am trying to write a device driver for a parallel port
soundcard (if the term applies to this type of device :-)).
Being this the first time that I give such a task a try, any
advice would be welcome.

Basically, what the thing has to do is to output bytes to the
parallel port at a fixed rate, starting from 8000 samples per
second and up. There is no protocol to observe or anything else so,
at least conceptually, the driver should be very easy to write.
However, the high output rates (less than 1 byte every 125 usecs)
implies that I can not use the kernel timer stuff. So the question
remains, how can I control the output rate (without eating up too
much CPU time)?

Kurt.

------------------------------

From: len...@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Lennart Benschop)
Subject: Re: need help with permissions
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.2...@sctc.com> nic...@sctc.com (Vern Nichols) writes:
|Last night I compiled the l3 kernel and it went very well, then I played
|with the zafix.taz and zbfix.taz using sysinstall -install and now
|when I log in as anybody other than root I get
|
| shell-init: Permission denied

Did you check the permissions of the root directory itself? I had the same
problems after such a fix. The root directory was no longer world-readable.
Try:

chmod 755 /

------------------------------

From: waar...@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg)

Subject: Problems with SLS root disk. HELP!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:22:59 GMT

Hi,

I've ftp-ed the SLS install version of Linux from nic.funet.fi and copied it onto
DOS formatted floppies. At home I have rawritten files a1 and a2 to formatted
floppies. Floppy `A1` boots without problems. It asks for the display type and
after that it displays the following message:

"Insert root disk and press <Enter>"

I then insert disk 'A2' (that is, the rawritten A2 file). The computer reads
something from floppy and then goes brain-dead.

Am I doing something wrong or doesn't it work on my computer? I have a 40 Mhz 386
(AMD) with 64 kB cache and 4 MB RAM. My harddisk is a Seagate ST1239A with IDE
interface. Trident VGA card (T8900). AMI BIOS (05/05/91). PC-Chips M321(?)
mainboard.

I've tried to disable turbo, cache and shadow, but it still didn't work.

What can be the problem?

Jerry

*-------------------------------------------------------------------------------*

------------------------------

From: t...@ipf.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Stefan Tex)
Subject: "mkswap" program wanted
Reply-To: t...@ipf.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:32:33 GMT

Hello,

"mkswap" works not correctly on my machine. Therefore I want to recompile
it. Where can I find "mkswap.c". It's not on TSX-11 etc.

Thanks Stefan

---

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Linux-Activists Digest #495, Volume #3 Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:30:32 EST

Contents:
Designing X modes (Mike Jagdis)
Re: Free UNIX for sale (Jae J Won)
Re: IDE faster than SCSI-2 (Othman Ahmad)
Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron? (Bohdan Tashchuk)
WYSIWIG available !
Phigs or Phigs+ included in linux (Theodor Myntidis)
Re: IDE faster than Mips SCSI disk (Phillip Fayers)
Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron? (Tim Pierce)
(Xmono+Mouse+Kermit) Problem (W. Woody Jin)
Re: Free UNIX for sale (Ken Tompkins)
X11 Won't Return to Text Mode (Ken Tompkins)
How to mount HPFS drive? (Glenn Wasserman)
SIMM Prices (Ed)
Mounting HPFS drive (Glenn Wasserman)
Re: What is aXe? (Jim Wight)
Re: "broken pipe" on shutdown/reboot/halt??? (Kevin Routh)
Help in downloading files from TSX-11!!! ("Ronald Ku")
Re: What is aXe? (David Pincus)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] poeigl-1.7 and admutil-1.4 available (Michael Haardt)
Phigs or Phigs+ included in linux ?? (Theodor Myntidis)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: ja...@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
Subject: Designing X modes
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:15:45 +0000

Ok, I suspect there's enough interest in this... In a second I'll upload an
archive called modegen.taz (compressed tar) to nic.funet.fi and
tsx-11.mit.edu (if I can find the incoming directories :-) ).

It contains my tools for calculating the magic numbers for X display modes
- namely the sc spreadsheet program, a couple of spreadsheets and some light
reading. The documentation assumes you have some idea of what goes in the
Xconfig file but is otherwise fairly easy reading <G>.

One spreadsheet is resolution-centric. That is, you specify the resolution
you are aiming at and the clock to use it tells you how good (or bad) a
refresh rate etc. you will get. This is most use if you have a multisync
(multiscan/flexscan...) monitor.

The other spreadsheet is frequency-centric. You give it the
horizontal/vertical frequencies and clock to use and it gives you the
displayable resolution. For those with fixed frequency monitors.

Naturally, you can also play with sync timings etc. to centre the display
and squeeze every last displayable pixel out of it. It's in the docs...

And if you don't (yet) understand any of the above - follow the docs...

Mike

------------------------------

From: int...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae J Won)
Subject: Re: Free UNIX for sale
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:34:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.1...@klaava.Helsinki.FI> torv...@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes:
|In article <1992Nov4.1...@fwi.uva.nl> st...@fwi.uva.nl (Bram) writes:

|>I dont know about you, but I would be pissed off, if someone
|>started making money on the stuff I worked so hard at.
|
|Why be pissed off? It's really a compliment. And believe me: getting
|money may be fun, but when you get T-shirts, virtual beer, book offers

^^^^^^^
Huh? Virtual beer? Wow.....:) I have not been drinking too much beer
but I will certainly be interested in drinking some virtual beer whatever
that is..:)

Jae

------------------------------

Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
From: eoa...@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)

Subject: Re: IDE faster than SCSI-2
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:25:10 GMT

MAEDA Atusi (m...@math.keio.ac.jp) wrote:
: The file size of one megabyte is too short to get meaningful result.
: You are just measuring the speed of copying to/from buffer cache.

You may be right there but remember that Julian's machine runs at 50Mhz,
whereas mine at 33Mhz.
buffer cache from 386bsd cannot be as large as 1 Mbyte.
At least we are testing the efficiency of the use of buffer cache.
The latest version of iozone actually flushes the cache but I do not like this,
because that is not how we use unix file system. It does not measure realistic
situation.
If you want a figure excluding the disk/buffer cache, take the read
figure.
If it were really all from buffer cache, then the write figure should
be much higher, equivalent to memory bandwidth, i.e. 25Mbyte/second.
Assuming 4 cycles of 50Mhz, 32 bit per cycle.
:
: You should give numbers at least twice as large as your RAM size.
:
Actually I did that, but the figures are not informative. Not relevant to our
usual use. It confused more than it explains.
I advise people to ignore these "unrealistically high load".
However I'll do it anyway.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoa...@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoa...@ntuvax.bitnet

------------------------------

From: ze...@fasttech.com (Bohdan Tashchuk)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron?

Date: 6 Nov 92 01:05:25 GMT

In <1992Nov4.2...@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mcc...@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

|The only way to keep
|companies from doing silly marketing cruft like this is if people let

|them eat all those chips. There was NO reason to come out with the
|486SX other than to attempt predatory pricing on folks like AMD and
|Cyrix while keeping the price of the 486DX inflated. There is no way

|I'm going to believe that the price difference between the 486SX and
|the 486DX can be explained by the cost of testing the math unit in the
|latter.

Of course it's marketing and not the cost of testing.

However, Intel is competing fairly. They are pricing their products at well
over the costs of production. AMD and Cyrix might not like it, but that's
what capitalism is all about.

The insulting thing is when Intel mouthpieces and apologists attempt the
Big Lie and tell us that testing the math unit is so expensive. People that
make statments like this aren't much better than the scum that work for the
tobacco companies. To this day they maintain there is no correlation between
smoking and lung cancer.

Even more despicable has been Intel's lack of ethics in other areas.
For example, in their dealings with AMD on second sourcing the 386.

Complain about Intel's marketing slime. Complain about Intel's lack of ethics.
But don't complain about "predatory pricing" in this case. There's nothing
predatory, illegal, or unethical about it.

------------------------------

Date: Wednesday, 4 Nov 1992 11:59:31 EST
From: <ACPS...@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Subject: WYSIWIG available !

Not to many realize this, but there is a WYSIWIG word processor available.
Get Roger Scott's patches for InterViews 3.0.1, get the 3.0.1 sources and use
the alpha gcc 2.3 (or 2.3 when it is out soon). It works. If there is enough
interest, I can upload mine.
This is an older version of InterViews. The newest one is IV3.1beta3. It
also compiles, (almost out of the box), but there is a small bug in doc that
keeps it from working. (Any C++ experts out there?)
Roger Scott's patches tsx-11:/pub/linux/packages/interviews/iv301diffs.tar.Z
InterViews source, interviews.stanford.edu: /pub
Join the INTERVIEWS CHANNEL !..
Regards, Michael.

------------------------------

From: mynt...@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Theodor Myntidis)
Subject: Phigs or Phigs+ included in linux
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:37:18 GMT

------------------------------

From: spx...@thor.cf.ac.uk (Phillip Fayers)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: IDE faster than Mips SCSI disk
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:31:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.0...@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoa...@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|These figures are not meant to be a thorough study. More of a provocation
|for more soul searching. The widespread belief that SCSI-2 is "defininely
|faster than IDE" is questionable, in fact under some circumstances, entirely
|false.
| The results are not surprising for those who study the technical
|specs of these disks. IDE has more potential for high speed because of its
|lack of protocaol overhead. Its closeness to the disk also make it very
|reliable and efficient.
| There are advanced disks which can do simultaneour multiple-head reads,
|but these techniques can also be used for IDE as well.
| IDE is just a simple interface definition, just like SCSI-2, but IDE,
|is optimised for HARD DISKS, SCSI is not. SCSI is more general purpose.
|
|The mips machine under test runs on ultrix. Although it has up to 10Gbyte
|of hard-disk, it is not so heavily loaded. We only use it for email and
|news feed. Fragmentation can be severe because I cannot even have 32
|megabyte free space in /usr/tmp , only 30 Mbytes.
|
|Writing the 30 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...91.000000 seconds
|Reading the file...49.000000 seconds
|
|IOZONE performance measurements:
| 345684 bytes/second for writing the file
| 641985 bytes/second for reading the file
|****************************************************************************
|This PC machine runs on 386bsd. Using 1 megabyte test file it is faster than
|a similar 486/50Mhz EISA SCSI-2 hard-disk.
|
|486/33 Maxtor 7120 200Mbyte
|
|Writing the 32 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...91.283333 seconds
|Reading the file...67.116667 seconds
|
|IOZONE performance measurements:
| 367586 bytes/second for writing the file
| 499942 bytes/second for reading the file

I wouldn't put this difference down to SCSI versus IDE, I would put most
of it down to the poor IO performance of Ultrix. We recently had a DEC
announcement of Ultrix 4.3 where they claim to have improved file IO by
100-300%, a figure I'm inclined to believe. I ran the Byte UNIX
benchmarks on a DECsystem 8300 that we have here, its file IO
performance was comparable to that of a Sun SPARCstation IPC's internal
(slow) 207 MByte drive. File copy on both systems was approx 280 kBytes
per second. In comparison a SUN 4/360 we have here turned in 1440 kBytes
per second on file copy, this was using a 1.4 GByte SCSI disk on a slow
SCSI II interface (5 Mbytes per second max).
--

Phillip Fayers email: fay...@cardiff.ac.uk
Sun admin/support/programming phone: 0222 874000 x 5282 (UK)

------------------------------

Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: twpi...@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)

Subject: Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron?

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:07:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.1...@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mcc...@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
|In <Bx8DB...@unix.amherst.edu> twpi...@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
|
|>I'm not complaining; it sounds like I'm getting all of the DX power I
|>need from a machine that costs several hundred dollars less.
|

|Well, you get all that machine until you find you need a math
|coprocessor and have no good way to add one cheaply.

Assuming that I will find I need one.

|You'd have been
|better off (as would we all) if they had simply dropped the price of
|the DX parts.

But they didn't. C'est la vie.

Except on general ethical grounds, I don't see any reason to complain.

--
____ Tim Pierce /
\ / twpi...@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
\/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /

------------------------------

From: wj...@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Subject: (Xmono+Mouse+Kermit) Problem
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:53:04 GMT

Hi, a question from a linux newbie.
I installed Linux from SLS Package without problem
(even though 'free' does not report about my swap space).
Xmono is working just fine.

Strangely, as soon as I initiate 'kermit' command, the mouse stops working.
I setup my modem in com1 and Logitech mouse in com2.
To make sure, I initiated 'kermit -l /dev/ttys0'. 'Show command
clearly shows that the line is connected to /dev/ttys0, which is com1 port.
I don't understand why the logitech (connected to com2 port) just
stops working.

Does anyone have the similar experience ?

Thanks.

--
____ ____ ____ ____________________________________ (___) _________________
| | | | | | W. Woody Jin (wj...@cs.uh.edu) (o o) Moo....
| | | |__| | PhD Student. Research Asst. o=======\ / I'm a Cow Lover.
| | | | Dept. of Computer Science / | ||O My wife was born
\ |---| |--| | University of Houston ` ||'---|| in Cow year. Mooo
\____/|__| |__| _______________________________^^ ^^_____________________

------------------------------

From: ktom...@pilot.njin.net (Ken Tompkins)
Subject: Re: Free UNIX for sale

Date: 4 Nov 92 12:05:12 GMT

Interesting that at a recent computer show near
here -- Atlantic City -- a chap was selling the "lastest"
version on 1.2 5 1/4 disks -- 15 of them with the
promise of telephone support. Not sure what he charged
but it wasn't $100. That is all he was selling at the
booth.

ken tompkins
stockton state college
k...@odin.stockton.edu

------------------------------

From: ktom...@pilot.njin.net (Ken Tompkins)
Subject: X11 Won't Return to Text Mode
Date: 4 Nov 92 12:12:16 GMT

Just to add my name to the list....I recently got
X11 working -- an Icelandic Saga in length -- and
when I exit from it the screen turns black and I
have to reboot.

Briefly my setup is:

386DX 40MhZ clone
75meg partition with 2m swap
Trident 8900c vga chipset
Most recent version of linux SLS (98.pl1)
(98.pl1)

It would be helpful if someone could solve this.

ken tompkins
stockton state college

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From: gl...@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Glenn Wasserman)
Subject: How to mount HPFS drive?
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:49:00 GMT

If anyone hs figured out how to mount an HPFS drive, could they please
let me know? I'd really like linux to see my OS/2 partition.

Thanks!

-Glenn

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* gl...@remus.rutger.edu * gl...@gandalf.rutgers.edu *
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From: ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ed)
Subject: SIMM Prices
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:03:24 GMT

Just out of interest - can anyone in the States tell me how much SIMMs
cost over there?

Cheers,
Ed

--
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Dept. of Elec. Eng. |
University Of Surrey | Witty comment will be available when I'm feeling
Guildford. ENGLAND. | more witty.

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From: gl...@remus.rutgers.edu (Glenn Wasserman)
Subject: Mounting HPFS drive
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:38:47 GMT

I could swear I posted a message saying this before, but I can't seem to find
it, so maybe the post failed and I didn't notice. Oh well.

Has anyone figured out how to mount an HPFS partition yet? I'm still kind of
hanging here...

-Glenn

(Hope my .sig works!)

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*************************************************************************
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From: J.K....@newcastle.ac.uk (Jim Wight)
Subject: Re: What is aXe?
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:57:14 GMT

djr4...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (X X) writes:

|before I download aXe, I would like a description of what it actually is.
|Im hoping its a wyswig word processor program.

It is an X Editor. Here is some information about it.
- - -

aXe is a simple to use text editor for X that represents a significant
improvement over xedit. Also built around the Athena Text Widget it
features, amongst other things,

o multiple windows
o multiple buffers
o default menu interface
o optional button interface, with choice and layout of buttons
under user control
o minibuffer for expert use and access to external filters
o provision for defining a keyboard macro
o geometry specification and resizing in terms of characters
o file selection via a browser
o knowledge of line numbers
o parenthesis matching
o ability to change font
o easy entry of control codes
o xterm-like keymap feature
o easy runtime setting of selected preferences (resources)
o server mode
o both brief and comprehensive on-line help
o collection of reusable widgets that embody the functionality of aXe

I have personally built and run the current version of aXe on the
following systems:

Sun 3 SunOS 4.1.1 MIT X11R4
Sun 4 SunOS 4.1.[12] MIT X11R5
Encore Multimax UMAX 4.3 MIT X11R5
DEC 5000/120 ULTRIX 4.2 MIT X11R5
HP 9000/710 HP-UX 8.07 MIT X11R5

The previous version reportedly also ran on SGI IRIX 4.0.1, IBM RS6000
AIX 3.1.5/3.2 and Linux.

Although aXe runs under R4 in the case cited above I have failed to
get it to work on an Acorn R260 running RISC iX 1.21. Therefore, if
you are at R4 you very much take pot luck. If it doesn't work the only
alternative is to try the last release, 2.1.1, of version 2 which
should still be around. It doesn't have as many features and uses the
Widget Creation Library (Wcl). Not only that, it requires an old
version of Wcl, 1.06 or 1.05. Version 3 of aXe was nearing completion
when version 2 of Wcl came out so aXe 2 never got converted to make
use of it.

I have no experience of porting to System V, but I have incorporated a
number of '#ifdef SYSV'-isms that have been fed back to me.

aXe is available by anonymous ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12)
initially, and probably in due course from several other ftp sites.
Check your nearest using xarchie.

If you can't ftp, try sending email to ftp...@decwrl.dec.com with the
word "help" alone in your message body. You will receive instructions
on how to ftp via email.

Jim
---
J.K....@newcastle.ac.uk
Department of Computing Science, University of Newcastle, Tel: +44 91 222 8238
Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, United Kingdom. Fax: +44 91 222 8232

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From: kro...@slee01.srl.ford.com (Kevin Routh)
Subject: Re: "broken pipe" on shutdown/reboot/halt???
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:50:20 GMT

cte...@ra.cs.umb.edu (Charles F. Teague II) writes:
:
: Now, when I try to shutdown linux, I get the normal shutdown output

: up to the point where it should say "Now you can turn off the power".
: Instead of that, I get "broken pipe", and the system is still active (ie,
: no reboot/halt/shutdown) I thought I might have messed up these commands,

Yes, mine does the same thing. What I do is log out all my pseudo terms
and then log into one as user "sync" once or twice. I then give the
three finger salute (Ctrl-Alt-Del) and it reboots. I assume this is
safe because it syncs the filesystems. I think your /etc/passwd file
has a user named "sync" with no password which uses the sync command as
it's shell. If not, it's easy to set it up.

--
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Ford Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF
ELD IC Engineering
17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136

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From: u903...@golum.riv.csu.edu.au ("Ronald Ku")
Subject: Help in downloading files from TSX-11!!!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:23:52 GMT

Dear netter,

I am new to linux. Could someone out there give me some advices
on downloading files from TSX-11. I know TSX-11 is a great site for
linux and it can support recursive downloading of files.

The problems I had was that how can I download a directory
together with subdirectories without creating them before downloading.
Another problems is that how can I download files pointed by the
symbolic link. (i.e. files in the
pub/linux/mirrors/mcc-interim/0.97p2/source_links directory).

Thanks for your time to read this silly question.

Any advices would be appreciated!!!

--
* Ronald Ku * UNIX will use next, *
* u903...@golum.riv.csu.edu.au OR * UNIX is YOUr next, *
* u903...@zac.riv.csu.edu.au * So I use UNIX! *
* Charles Sturt University * And I survive for UNIX!!! *

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Subject: Re: What is aXe?
From: David Pincus <PI...@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 21:48:48 EST

Hey there, I'd like to abandon MS-DOS / WIN3.1 for linux. I'm not of the
faint of heart but never have had any unix experience. My system is as follows

80386/33 w/fpu
8megs ram
an 80 and 20 meg HD's(MFM) linux will go on the 20 to start
tape backup (colorado jumbo internal)
Plain vanilla 640x480 vga

I have some questions:
1) I can ftp to tsx-11 but what files do I need? The directory listing
is truly overwhelming.
2) Is there windowing program out there compatible with linux?
3) What telecommunications software would I need to access my U.'s vm/cms
system?
4)at tsx-11 I see files in bold such as "README" how do I read them?
(I've tried "get README" but to no avail.
5) Is there software pd and or copyleft that is like word for windows,
wordperfect etc.?
6) Can I set up my system so that I have a choice as to which operating
system will boot? I don't think I'll be able to do away with DOS
completely as I do DOS support for several clients.

7) To reiterate #1) If someone could email or post a list of ALL the files
neccessary to start I'd love to devote a weekend/week to installing linux
and some word processing/telecom/mail software.

Thanx 10^6th I hope to become a linux fanatic in the months to come, as
I think it's time to learn un*x finally *sigh*.

Later - Dave

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From: mic...@gandalf.moria (Michael Haardt)
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] poeigl-1.7 and admutil-1.4 available
Reply-To: u31...@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 22:46:43 +0100

In article <1992Nov3.0...@daimi.aau.dk>, p...@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Orbaek) writes:
| Init now has support for a singleuser mode, and it doesn't ignore the termcap
| field in /etc/inittab for console tty's anymore. After version 0.98.3
| the TERM variable handed over from the kernel is not very interesting.

Your own init, I guess? There are two versions (well, three to be
precise: yours, the older sysv-compatible init and the newer
sysv-compatible init).

| To those that do not already know, the poeigl package contains:
|
| init, getty, login, hostname, mesg, users, who, write
|
| and admutils contains:
|
| chsh, ctrlaltdel, init, last, newgrp, passwd, shutdown, reboot,
| halt, fastboot, fasthalt, su, example /etc/rc

Unfortunately there is now a conflict between your package and the sysv
compatible package. We should try to work something out. I don't like
that I have to decide which utilities from which package are better each
time.

Why is there a su? If I am right, the GNU shellutils also have one, and
it works fine.

Michael

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From: mynt...@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Theodor Myntidis)
Subject: Phigs or Phigs+ included in linux ??
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:54:23 GMT

Hi folks !!
Does anybody know if phigs or phigs+ is included in linux ??

Thanks for your answers!!

Theo

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Linux-Activists Digest #496, Volume #3 Fri, 6 Nov 92 21:00:26 EST

Contents:
Re: Physical Memory Problems (Scott Hou)
Re: modem help (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Re: What is 'proc'? (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Re: SLS install in 2 MB (Mark W. Eichin)
Has Anyone gotten Trident 8900C and SLS 0.98 to work (Frank Houston)
Re: compiling ghostscript/view (Carl vonLoewenfeldt)
Re: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ? (Antti V{h{lummukka)
X11 w/ 2Mb --> Don't bother... (Charles F. Teague II)
Re: IDE faster than Mips SCSI disk????? (Michael O'Dell)
Re: linux-0.98.3 termcap problem (Al Clark)
Mouse problems on Com 1 (Chris Bugosh)
IDE faster than Mips SCSI disk (Othman Ahmad)
Re: What is 'proc'? (James Michael Chacon)
Possible cause of keyboard lockups in XFree (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)

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From: sh0...@medtronic.COM (Scott Hou)
Subject: Re: Physical Memory Problems
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:56:03 GMT

I have both OPTI and BITECH 386-40 boards running Linux (24 hours a day,
I might add) without any problems. One board even survived a power
supply blow out (in which the full wave bridge rectifier literally
blew the bottom into pieces) because it has worked just fine ever
since I put in a new power supply.

As for a 486 board, I have the 3/486 upgradable running Linux
with no problem but that one hasn't been running 24 hours a day.

--
Scott Hou phone: 612-574-8660
Consulting at Medtronic, Inc. email: scot...@pace.medtronic.com

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From: ins...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)

Subject: Re: modem help
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:28:47 GMT

Jim.D...@f20.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Danley) writes:

|ST > Anyway I'm trying to setup the inittab so that I can have a
| > dial-up.
|
|Scott,

|Run, don't walk, to tsx-11.mit.edu and grab

| /pub/linux/sources/sbin/gettyps202.tar.Z

|It includes everything you'll need including src, Makefile, man pages,
|and a
|very good description on how it all works. I was especially pleased
|with
|uugetty which allows me to use one modem on /dev/ttys2 for dialing in
|AND out
|with one config. I spent a few hours with this package tonight and am
|very
|pleased with the outcome. Check it out.
Just make sure you use the right syntax, though - the tty line and the baud
rate are the other way around from normal getty - I forgot this and
ended up having to sector edit my inittab file from DOS (eurgh)

Let's be careful out there !

Cos !
--
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ins...@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
c...@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
"Language is a virus from outer space" - William S. Burroughs

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From: ins...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: What is 'proc'?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:41:26 GMT

jwin...@fenris.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.) writes:

|In article <1992Nov3.0...@cs.tulane.edu> but...@cs.tulane.edu (Larry Butler) writes:
|>I see references to a fs called 'proc'. What is that? What are it features?

|The 'proc' filesystem isn't really a real filesystem when compared to
|say, the MS-DOS or Minix filesystems, but instead is a sort of
|'psuedo-filesystem'. It provides a way of looking at (and accessing?)
|processes via the filesystem. For example, I have a proc filesystem
|mounted at /proc, underneath /proc, there are bunch of directories
|corresponding to various processes (for example:

| 1/ 21/ 2925/ 2992/ 2996/ 35/ 38/
| 20/ 22/ 2926/ 2993/ 3/ 37/ 8/

|Now, underneat each on of these, the following appears:

| cwd@ exe@ fd/ lib/ mem root@

|The links (cwd, exe, and root) are symlinks to the current working
|directory, the executable, and the root of the processes filesystem,
|respectively. The fd directory provides a way to access the file
|descriptors of the process, lib is the libraries being used, and mem
|is analagous to /dev/mem.

So how do you mount it ? Do you need to recompile mount or something ?

Cos !
--
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ins...@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
c...@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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From: eic...@athena.mit.edu (Mark W. Eichin)
Subject: Re: SLS install in 2 MB
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:19:03 GMT

In article <Bx94u...@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, wa...@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk) writes:

|> I've got the SLS version and when I do a "doinstall" it tells me
|> I'm out of memory (I've only got 2 MB).

and sior@i50s3 (Marios Siormanolakis) responds, correctly and in detail:

|I've had the same problem.
|My solution:
|1. create Linux partition as mentioned in README (eg /dev/hda2)
|2. additional create a swap partition (eg /dev/hda3)

|6. mkfs /dev/hda2 BLOCKS
The one other possible problem is that if /dev/hda2 is big
enough, mkfs will run out of memory; you can get more room by hitting
Alt-F2 and typing "exit" to the second shell that SLS automatically
starts. (I needed this to mkfs 60M on an AST laptop...)
I don't know, offhand, *why* mkfs uses memory in proportion to
the size of the partition; I'll look at it this weekend if noone else
has any suggestions...
_Mark_ <eic...@athena.mit.edu>
MIT Student Information Processing Board
Cygnus Support <eic...@cygnus.com>

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From: fh...@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Frank Houston)
Subject: Has Anyone gotten Trident 8900C and SLS 0.98 to work
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:26:12 GMT

Hello World

If anyone out there has gotten X to work on a trident 89000C
from SLS, could you please mail me your Xconfig and and modification
you did to SLS to get it to work.

I simply cannoy get past this TCP %^#$%# that startx
keep complaining about.

TCP : invalid argument

then everything just dies.

First I looked in xinit/serverargs for X -pn.
Then I recompiled the Kernel to include tcp/ip in the Kernel.

The next step will probably be jettisoning all the X stuff
from SLS and installing Xfree from tsx-11.

Thanks for you help

--
Frank Houston
| University of Virginia
VOICE : (804)982-2294 | Thornton / Comp Sci
Internet: fh...@opal.cs.virginia.edu | Charlottesville Va 22901

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From: ca...@boxelder.Berkeley.EDU (Carl vonLoewenfeldt)
Subject: Re: compiling ghostscript/view
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:24:40 GMT
Reply-To: ca...@boxelder.Berkeley.EDU (Carl vonLoewenfeldt)

In his note, Michael says:

'Ghostview failed as well:

'# make
'gcc -fwritable-strings -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -m386 -DNO_ASM
-I/usr/X386/include -D_POSIX_SOURCE '-D_BSD_SOURCE -D_GNU_SOURCE
-Dlinux -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -DNON_BLOCKING_IO -DSELFILE
'-DHOME_ON_DEMAND -c misc.c -o misc.o
'misc.c:61: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
'/usr/include/errno.h:8: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
'make: *** [misc.o] Error 1

I got exactly the same problems. I had to modify the files misc.c, line
61, (and another -
I forget) as follows:

#ifdef notdef
(the offending sys_errlist declaration)
#endif /* notdef */

Then it compiled fine. As I said in my previous note, the result was a
GhostView that
comes up beautifully, but when I attempt to use it on an *.eps file, I
get a "dynamic malloc"
error with the info that I have insufficient memory (I think - I'm
remembering.) However,
my 8MB system with 16MB swap has NOTHING else running except for X.

Another problem, as I said in a followup note -- make doesn'w work
properly. It fails to
detect that *.o files exist, and are newer than their respective source files.
Further, make seems to ignore any make targets, such as "install" or "clean".

Carl vonLoewenfeldt

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Crossposted-To: kl.test,alt.test
From: a...@tele.nokia.fi (Antti V{h{lummukka)

Subject: Re: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ?

Reply-To: a...@tele.nokia.fi
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:22:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov...@informatik.uni-kl.de> l_kornst%informatik...@stepsun.uni-kl.de (Leif Kornstaedt) writes:

| Yes, perhaps, but where can one get a lex or a yacc? I thought they were
| (c) AT&T. I too had many problems with bison and would like to get an
| implementation closer to the original.

You could try the byacc. It is available at least at tsx-11 in the same
directory as ingres (which I did not get to compile!).

ana

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From: cte...@ra.cs.umb.edu (Charles F. Teague II)
Subject: X11 w/ 2Mb --> Don't bother...
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:25:32 GMT

This is a quick note to anyone who is interested enough at the idea
of being able to run Xwindows on their PC, but who only has 2Mb of RAM:

"Don't Bother."

I saw the messages that said you should have at least 4 Mb (some said at
least 8 Mb) to run X11 effectively, but through a lack of strong wording,
and (admittedly) my hope that I could get by w/ 2Mb, I decided to try
anyways. So, 7 disks * 1.2 Mb * 2400bps == about 1.5 weeks later, and I
have the SLS (0.98) x disks. I install it last night, and after playing
around for a bit, setting up Xconfig, I finally run X tonight.

Ouch! I never heard my HD swap so much! X functioned, but with hideous
delays! (and all I had running was xclock + xterm...). Plus, since twm is
smart enough to wake up windows when they are under the mouse, simply moving
the mouse around while waiting for it to finish loading something can result
in it waking up (+ therefore swapping in) and then putting back to sleep (+
therefore swapping back out) other applications, slowing it down even worse!

This is not to put down X... What I saw looked pretty good. It's just that
2Mb is TRULY NOT ENOUGH MEMORY!

Hopefully, this message will save anyone who is in the position I was in
2 weeks ago the trouble of transfering 7 disks worth of X files.

Sincerely,

--
Charles F. Teague II Net:cte...@cs.umb.edu Real:33 Sidney Ave, Lynn MA 01902
+------------------------------------+-----------------------+----------------+
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| they do whatever you tell them to. | do what I mean!!!!" | TKE-zm sn 603 |
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Crossposted-To: comp.arch,comp.unix.bsd
From: m...@gizmo.bellcore.com (Michael O'Dell)
Subject: Re: IDE faster than Mips SCSI disk?????
Reply-To: m...@bellcore.com
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 14:29:46 GMT

from our experiences trying to qualify drives and controllers
for a computer project i was involved with a few years ago....

one must be very careful that one isn't comparing the
performance of two disk controllers and not the attached drives.
it is VERY tricky to sort out why one disk goes faster
than another, and when and under what circumstances.
controller startup latencies vary by geologic timescales,
or so it seems if one tries hard to measure them accurately.
we'll not even go into latencies caused by the number of
times the controller must be touched to actually start a transfer.

the same caveats apply to measuring the performance
of the underlying drive and electronics (with it's
embedded controller <see above>) versus
measuring the performance of the transfer channel
implementation.

transfer channel protocols (IDE vs SCSI-2) are compared
with timing diagrams, but that is admittedly less interesting
than comparing implementations which govern what one
really gets. the problem, however, is really *knowing*
what one is measuring.

-Mike O'Dell

Bellcore??? Bellcore isn't allowed opinions. Any found here are mine.

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From: acl...@netcom.com (Al Clark)
Subject: Re: linux-0.98.3 termcap problem

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:43:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.1...@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> apm...@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
|In article <92308.0717...@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, Greg Wettstein <NU01...@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
| [stuff deleted]

|> After logging into a couple of systems I suddenly noticed that the virtual
|> console was restricting itself to 24 lines. For example if less is used
|> to view a file and the sh prompt is on the bottom line of the screen the
|> entire output gets displayed on the bottom line of the screen. Using
|> less with the prompt at the top of the screen causes less to use the
|> console as if it had 24 lines.

| [stuff deleted]
|Have you also tried sending ctrl-O to the VT? (can be done by ^Q ^V ^O if
|using BASH) This fixes some problems, but not the 24 line problem for me.
|
| [stuff deleted]
|Actually, I can live with a 24 line VT. Unfortunately, what I see is
|in effect a split-screen VT: one window of 24 lines and one of 1 line.
|If the cursor moves into the one-line window at the bottom of the
|screen then it tends to stay there (some programs, such as emacs can
|still make use of the whole screen). A 1-line VT is very difficult to
|live with!
| [stuff deleted]
|---------------
|Bill Metzenthen

As a workaround, just use 'tput clear'
You can alias "clear" to this or make a shell script. I find
it gets me out of the mode (maybe just to 24 line window), but
it works.
--
Al - acl...@netcom.com - My opinions are my own.

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From: Chris....@f340.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Bugosh)
Subject: Mouse problems on Com 1
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 16:12:00 -0800

For those of you that are having problems with your mouse on COM1, (If I
remember correctly) in the older packages (.96x) Linus used ttys1 for
COM1, in .98pl1, it is now ttys0. So, in Xconfig, all you have to do is
change the "/dev/ttys1" to /dev/ttys0" and you'll be all set.

Chris

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Crossposted-To: comp.arch,comp.unix.bsd
From: eoa...@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: IDE faster than Mips SCSI disk

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:39:42 GMT

These figures are not meant to be a thorough study. More of a provocation

for more soul searching. The widespread belief that SCSI-2 is "defininely
faster than IDE" is questionable, in fact under some circumstances, entirely
false.
The results are not surprising for those who study the technical
specs of these disks. IDE has more potential for high speed because of its
lack of protocaol overhead. Its closeness to the disk also make it very
reliable and efficient.
There are advanced disks which can do simultaneour multiple-head reads,
but these techniques can also be used for IDE as well.
IDE is just a simple interface definition, just like SCSI-2, but IDE,
is optimised for HARD DISKS, SCSI is not. SCSI is more general purpose.

The mips machine under test runs on ultrix. Although it has up to 10Gbyte
of hard-disk, it is not so heavily loaded. We only use it for email and
news feed. Fragmentation can be severe because I cannot even have 32
megabyte free space in /usr/tmp , only 30 Mbytes.

IOZONE: Performance Test of Sequential File I/O -- V1.14b (1/31/92)
By Bill Norcott

Operating System: ULTRIX

Send comments to: norcot...@tandem.com

IOZONE writes a 30 Megabyte sequential file consisting of
61440 records which are each 512 bytes in length.
It then reads the file. It prints the bytes-per-second
rate at which the computer can read and write files.

Writing the 30 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...91.000000 seconds
Reading the file...49.000000 seconds

IOZONE performance measurements:
345684 bytes/second for writing the file
641985 bytes/second for reading the file
****************************************************************************
This PC machine runs on 386bsd. Using 1 megabyte test file it is faster than
a similar 486/50Mhz EISA SCSI-2 hard-disk.

486/33 Maxtor 7120 200Mbyte

Writing the 32 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...91.283333 seconds
Reading the file...67.116667 seconds

IOZONE performance measurements:
367586 bytes/second for writing the file
499942 bytes/second for reading the file

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoa...@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoa...@ntuvax.bitnet

------------------------------

From: prob...@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Subject: Re: What is 'proc'?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:20:46 -0600

ins...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !) writes:

|So how do you mount it ? Do you need to recompile mount or something ?

|<excuse the ignorance, i only just found out what it was the other day, and
|am a little unsure what to do with it...>

|Cos !
|--
|Andrew J. Cosgriff ! ins...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au

You need to mount a block device as a proc filesystem onto some directory.
My fstab entry looks like this.

/dev/ram /proc proc defaults

Works fine from there.

James

------------------------------

From: ins...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)

Subject: Possible cause of keyboard lockups in XFree
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:25:51 GMT

Erm, I've found a possilbe cause of keyboard lockups in Xfree86...

I got the new admutils and new poeigl and compiled...

It linked /dev/tty1 to /dev/console (which was prev. linked to tty0)

When I started X this afternoon, the keyboard wouldn't respond...

Changing the link back did the trick...

BTW, the new login didn't work when i compiled it
- i had to delve for the emergency boot disk to put the old one back...
(and it was 80K compared to 5K for the old one !!!)

Enjoy !

Cos !
--
Andrew J. Cosgriff ! ins...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
ins...@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
c...@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
"Language is a virus from outer space" - William S. Burroughs

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Linux-Activists Digest #494, Volume #3 Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:30:42 EST

Contents:
Re: cron gets stuck. (Leon Dent)
Re: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ? (M. Saggaf)
Re: How to set up Minicom to respond to Non-Root users (Leon Dent)
libc2.2.2 & DIKU mud (BURNED AND BANISHED LIKE A SCENE FROM HELL)
Re: Bugs in LINUX tar (?) (Stephen Tweedie)
q: 640x480 with vgalib (Shachar Fleishman)
magic match failed --> what does it mean? (Mad Dog)
'cfmakeraw' library call? (Johannes Grosen)
SCSI problems (Patrick Sweeney)
Re: What is aXe? (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Maximum speed of Linux on serial ports... (Andrew J. Templin)
My Diamond Stealth works! (Oliver Schwarz)
Re: linux-0.98.3 termcap problem (apm...@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au)
Re: Help with Sigma Legend and X11 (Tim MacKenzie)
Where is the Seagate ST01 driver? (Steve Hocking)
Re: USA Linus fund -- final accounting (was: Thanks...) (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP)
getting talk to work (nearly there !) (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Re: magic match failed --> what does it mean? (James Michael Chacon)
Yet another X-Problem (Kai Baumbach)
Linux News #4 (October 26 - November 6, 1992) (Lars Wirzenius)
xsetroot and color with S3 server??? (Niels Skov Olsen)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: l...@ais.org (Leon Dent)
Subject: Re: cron gets stuck.

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:42:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov4....@victrola.sea.wa.us> vi...@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan) writes:
|In article <1992Nov2.1...@muug.mb.ca> g...@muug.mb.ca (Greg K. Moeller) writes:
|>I'm using cron to spawn UUCP and news shells, etc.
|>The problem is that when I replace the crontab entry for either of these
|>(crontab -u news -r news.tab[as root]) the entryy gets replaced ok, but cron
|>gets stuck. It doesn't do anything for anyone at all. I have to kill it
|>and restart it. From my reading of the docs for cron, it's supposed to
|>notice that the file has changed, and re-read it.
|>
|
|I've found that if I change a crontab entry, I have to do a "
| "kill `cat /etc/cron.pid` ; /etc/crond"
|to get cron to reinitialize off the new entry. I tried a kill -HUP but
|it killed it dead rather than re-initializing off the files.

Yeah, but its supposed to work accroding to the docs. If you are running
a multi-user system, is each user supposed to send mail to root to re-start
cron every time they change an entry?

Leon Dent
l...@ais.org

------------------------------

Crossposted-To: kl.test,alt.test
From: alsa...@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf)

Subject: Re: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ?

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:39:09 GMT

|>>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:18:02 GMT, l_kornst%informatik...@stepsun.uni-kl.de (Leif Kornstaedt) said:

LK> In article <ALSAGGAF.9...@alfredo.mit.edu>, alsa...@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf) writes:
LK> |> If you want to compile gwm, you have to use lex and yacc. Flex and
LK> |> bison won't do.
LK> |>

LK> Yes, perhaps, but where can one get a lex or a yacc? I thought they were
LK> (c) AT&T. I too had many problems with bison and would like to get an
LK> implementation closer to the original.

I don't know. When I compiled gwm, I did the lex and yacc part on an
Ultrix box and the rest in linux.

--
/M. Saggaf
alsa...@athena.mit.edu

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From: l...@ais.org (Leon Dent)
Subject: Re: How to set up Minicom to respond to Non-Root users
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:52:16 GMT

Do you have a minicom.users file in the same directory with minicom.dfl?
An example users file may/should be included in the minicom distribution.

Leon Dent
l...@ais.org

------------------------------

From: BURNED AND BANISHED LIKE A SCENE FROM HELL <CC013...@trent-poly.ac.uk>
Subject: libc2.2.2 & DIKU mud
Reply-To: CC013...@trent-poly.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:14:11 GMT

COuld someone tell me where to get the libc2.2.2 libraries from....

I have the 4.1 jump libs installed, but telnet and a few other binaries
need the libc2.2.2 ... and i cant remember where they come from

(gcc 2.2.2d dis?)

also,

Has anyone managed to get the DIKU mud working under linux?

rgds,

Andy

------------------------------

From: s...@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Stephen Tweedie)
Subject: Re: Bugs in LINUX tar (?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:28:37 GMT

In article <Bx8G3...@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jy1...@ehsn11.cen.uiuc.edu (Joshua M Yelon) writes:

| Last night I switched from minix FS to ext FS. Here are the steps I
| went through:

| * tarred my whole filesystem using gnu tar, split tarfile onto
| floppies. * reformatted hard disk using mkefs. * reloaded software
| from floppy using the tar on the 0.98 rootdisk.

| Much to my chagrin, though, the tar on the root floppy didn't seem
| to quite understand the tarfile format: it loaded the files up ok,
| and got all the chmod bits right, but got most of the file
| ownerships wrong! Needless to say, this took a long time to fix.

| It may be important that I use UID's greater than 1000... although
| I can't see why that would be a problem, it IS unusual.

First of all, you should be using the -p (set permissions) option to
tar; although if you say the mode bits are correct, you're probably
doing this anyway.

The problem with ownership is that when you boot from the root floppy,
you are no longer using the passwd and group files from your tarred
root partition. So, all those users and groups who should own the
files you are restoring simply don't exist at the time of the restore.
You should copy the original /etc/passwd and /etc/group files into
/etc on the root floppy before extracting the tar archive.

Cheers,
Stephen Tweedie.
---
Stephen Tweedie <s...@uk.ac.ed.dcs> (Internet: <s...@dcs.ed.ac.uk>)
Department of Computer Science, Edinburgh University, Scotland.

------------------------------

Subject: q: 640x480 with vgalib
From: sha...@ramon.bgu.ac.il (Shachar Fleishman)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:58:10 GMT

How can I add a 640x480 mode for the vgalib?

- Shachar

------------------------------

From: mdga...@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mad Dog)
Subject: magic match failed --> what does it mean?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:43:53 EST

Everytime I boot to Linux (using a floppy boot for a hard disk root partition )
I see the message "magic matched failed" in the intial messages. I can't seem
to find any harm caused by this but it doesn't sound positive either. (ps -I
am also using the exfs and MCC interim release with the kernel unrecompiled)

-Matt Gauthier
mdga...@rodan.acs.syr.edu
mdga...@suvm.acs.syr.edu

------------------------------

From: gro...@isc.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (Johannes Grosen)
Subject: 'cfmakeraw' library call?
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:19:46 GMT

I've been wanting to have 'script' on my machine for some time
and decided to snarf the sources from the 4.3bsd-reno distribution.
There were no problems except for a call to a function 'cfmakeraw'
which I have never heard of before. From it's name and where it's
called I would assume it puts a terminal in raw mode but I hate
to 'ass-u-me' anything. Has anyone heard of this function? Can
anyone confirm my assumptions?

Thanks!

--
Johannes Grosen
ISC System Administrator
gro...@isc.cs.ndsu.NoDak.edu

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From: p...@raster.Kodak.COM (Patrick Sweeney)
Subject: SCSI problems
Reply-To: p...@raster.Kodak.COM (Patrick Sweeney)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:10:23 GMT

Hi,
I am posting this for a friend. He is currently running Linux 0.98.3
on a 486/33 Gateway 4M ram with a SCSI Maxtor 340M hd using and Adaptec
controller. Running anything on the machine that uses heavy disk io is
sllloooowwww (e.g. it took him 4 hours to compile the kernel).
Swapping is disabled. Anybody else had this sort of problem and any ideas
for solution outside of buying a new machine ;-)
tnx
if you have anything specific please send mail to
b...@raster.kodak.com

- p...@raster.kodak.com

------------------------------

From: jwin...@fenris.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Subject: Re: What is aXe?

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:44:29 GMT

In article <Bx88K...@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djr4...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (X X) writes:
|before I download aXe, I would like a description of what it actually is.
|Im hoping its a wyswig word processor program.

It's not. It's 'simply' an X-based text editor, akin to Emacs and the
like. It's a great editor, but not a WYSIWYG word processor. The
latest version compiles and works cleanly under Linux (maybe a couple
of quick changes here and there, but nothing major). The same goes
for the recently released 'sam', which is the Plan 9 editor.

--
loveritablessencentipedependentalism+ Jim Winstead Jr. (CSci '95)
andaterrificklengtherealityearguessy| Harvey Mudd College, WIBSTR
mpathybridgenerationiceremonymphysic| jwin...@jarthur.Claremont.EDU
alendareadvertisexpresshothoughthend+ or jwin...@fenris.Claremont.EDU

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From: nos...@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Andrew J. Templin)
Subject: Maximum speed of Linux on serial ports...
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:11:03 GMT

We have the 2nd most recent (I believe) version of the mcc-interim
release of Linux running on a friends 386/33DX. It is wonderful.

What is the maximum speed I can set getty up with on a serial port?

I wish to hook up a terminal at 19200, and I would like to know if
this is possible.

Also, where can I find mail and uucp binaries or source for this
version?

Thank you,

Andrew J. Templin

[Reply via EMail, please]
--
Andrew J. Templin, Confused Programmer, Ball State University
VAX: 00AJT...@bsu-ucs.bsu.edu ULTRIX: nos...@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
"Ad Meorium Cthulhi Gloriam" "Carpe Carp"

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From: schw...@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Oliver Schwarz)
Subject: My Diamond Stealth works!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:10:40 GMT

I'm running a Diamond Stealth VRAM card with the X386.S3-0.1 Driver
from ftp.robots.ox.ac.uk /pub/linux/s3.

It works at 640x480x256 without any problem with SLS 0.98.
The only problem was, that I had to uncompress the fonts, change the font
paths and run mkfontdir. The other resolutions don't seem to work, but
perhaps it's only because of my weak monitor. Or perhaps one should
try other clock values or something like that ...

I can't say "you will never run XWindows with a Diamond Stealth card." !!

Oliver. (email: schw...@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de)

------------------------------

From: apm...@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: linux-0.98.3 termcap problem
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:18:44 +1100

In article <92308.0717...@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, Greg Wettstein <NU01...@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
[stuff deleted]
| After logging into a couple of systems I suddenly noticed that the virtual
| console was restricting itself to 24 lines. For example if less is used
| to view a file and the sh prompt is on the bottom line of the screen the
| entire output gets displayed on the bottom line of the screen. Using
| less with the prompt at the top of the screen causes less to use the
| console as if it had 24 lines.

Which comms program do you use? I use kermit to talk to a VAX running VMS
and I too get the 24 line problem. My guess was that it was probably kermit
which was at fault.

| This problem seems to be resistant to the use of stty rows 25, setterm
| -initialize etc. Rebooting the machine does clear the problem but is of
| course not an optimum solution.... :-) The problem does not transcend
| virtual consoles, the only console affected is the VT which was running
| kermit when I logged into the other machines. I suspect that the other
| machine is sending some type of control sequence that is being interpreted
| by the Linux console driver. Anybody got any ideas?????

Have you also tried sending ctrl-O to the VT? (can be done by ^Q ^V ^O if
using BASH) This fixes some problems, but not the 24 line problem for me.

Actually, I can live with a 24 line VT. Unfortunately, what I see is

in effect a split-screen VT: one window of 24 lines and one of 1 line.
If the cursor moves into the one-line window at the bottom of the
screen then it tends to stay there (some programs, such as emacs can
still make use of the whole screen). A 1-line VT is very difficult to
live with!

It is my guess that the real problem is a bug in the kernel terminal
code. There may be other problems with this code, for example there
appears to be a bug in the code for the "do" command.

--
===============
Bill Metzenthen
Mathematics Department
Monash University
Australia

------------------------------

From: t...@dibbler.cs.monash.edu.au (Tim MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: Help with Sigma Legend and X11
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:29:55 GMT

Clifton Koch (ko...@rtsg.mot.com) wrote:
| I have a Sigma Legend SVGA card in my machine, and can't seem to get the
|1024x768 mode working. 800x600 works (but only at 60 Hz). This card can do
|1024x768x60Hz and 800x600x72Hz under DOS, but I can't seem to access any of
|the dot clocks for these modes. For the 1024x768, there should be a 65MHz
|dot clock. CLOCK.EXE under DOS reports 40MHz as the fastest clock. The
|tutorial on X11 dotclocks even uses the Legend as the example for calculating
|the Xconfig parameters, but using the same entries, X can't find the appropriate
|clocks on startup. The Legend is a Tseng 4000 based card, BTW.

I have a ET4000 based card, it generates all clocks from a single crystal.
CLOCK.EXE did not give any sensible results for the clock values, and gave
different results depending on which video mode you were in at the time of
running.

My solution was to get Xfree86 to find the clocks itself: (you need 1.2 for
this I think). Comment out any Clocks: line in your XConfig and startx in
a resolution that works (like 600x400). Output stderror to a file so that you
don't need to type in the clocks yourself... "startx 2> /tmp/whatever".
Sometimes all the clocks wont be found, so you might have to startx a few
times. You don't seem to need a Clocks: line, but if you put it in yourself
then you wont have problems later with clocks not being found (once you've
found out what the actual clocks values are).

Get the xclk program from tsx-11 (it's in sources/usr.bin.X11 I think). This
will do the calculations for you for the ModeDB. I found it really useful
for getting base values which can then be fiddled for your monitor.

| Has anyone had any luck with the Legend and higher resolutions?

With my ET4000 card (I'm not sure of the exact manufacturer, it calls itself
a "Enhanced VGA Bios 2148s 5/30/92". I'm using a MAG 15" monitor and the
following ModeDB uses all the "usable" area on the monitor in the center
clicks of all the controls.
"1168x897" 80 1168 1200 1352 1456 897 897 908 918

This leaves a HUGE 880 bytes on my 1M card unused (256 color mode), and looks
rather nice (impressive too!).
| If so, what does your Xconfig look like?
| Did you have to do anything special to get X to recognize the dotclock?
See above.

ObConfig: 486/33 165M 4M, 15M swap, Local bus video,
0.98pl3 (no scsi, procfs, extfs)
--
-Tim MacKenzie (t...@dibbler.cs.monash.edu.au)

------------------------------

Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
From: sgc...@citec.oz.au (Steve Hocking)
Subject: Where is the Seagate ST01 driver?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:33:47 GMT

I've just received the patches for the st01 driver that will make it
work with a Future Domain TMC885 SCSI card, but dont have the st01 driver
source. Does anybody have it, or could they send it? I'd love to drive a
CDROM off it.

Cheers,

Stephen
--
=============================================================================
"Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy"

Stephen Hocking sgc...@citecuc.citec.oz.au

------------------------------

From: h...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP)
Subject: Re: USA Linus fund -- final accounting (was: Thanks...)
Reply-To: h...@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:06:30 GMT

With Linus' thanks I thought this was an appropriate time to make the final
accounting report for the USA Linus fund.

William Broadley $25
Philip Balister $50
Cameron Spitzer $35
Stephen Hill $40
Jeffrey Moore $100
Phil Anglin $50
James Lynch $50
Richard Almquist $10
John Montgomery $25
David Black $50
Mark Ng $100
Hisanori Noguchi $20
John White $50
Satish Chittamuru $50
Conway Yee $20
Charles Wilson $25
Anonymous: "Linus Rules" $20
Joel Hoffman $25
Peter Anvin $40
===============================
Subtotal $785
Wire transfer charge -$35
==================================
Total USD 750.00
Tranfer rate USD/FIM .2087
==================================
Final sum FIM 3593.68

Thanks, everyone, and let's go back to hacking!

/hpa
--
INTERNET: h...@nwu.edu TALK: h...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
BITNET: HPA@NUACC IBMNET: 16331@IBMX400
HAM RADIO: N9ITP NeXTMAIL: h...@lenny.acns.nwu.edu
while ( 1 ) ; cp /dev/zero /dev/null & end

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From: ins...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)

Subject: getting talk to work (nearly there !)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:57:17 GMT

Erm, i'm having a few problems getting talk to work on my
0.98pl1 system...(SCSI = no, TCP = yes (!))
configured for loopback only

I've now got talk to get as far as "Checking for invitation on caller's
machine", whereupon it just sits there for ages (I've run out of patience to
see if eventually does anything)

Anyone got any ideas ?
inted.conf and services are both ok as far as i know :
/usr/etc/inetd.conf (also in /usr/etc/inet/inetd.conf):
talk dgram udp wait root /usr/etc/inet/talkd talkd

/usr/etc/services (also in ...)
talk 517/udp

Ta heaps in advance...
Cos !

--
Andrew J. Cosgriff ! ins...@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
ins...@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
c...@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
"Language is a virus from outer space" - William S. Burroughs

------------------------------

From: prob...@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Subject: Re: magic match failed --> what does it mean?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:44:31 -0600

mdga...@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mad Dog) writes:

|Everytime I boot to Linux (using a floppy boot for a hard disk root partition )
|I see the message "magic matched failed" in the intial messages. I can't seem
|to find any harm caused by this but it doesn't sound positive either. (ps -I
|am also using the exfs and MCC interim release with the kernel unrecompiled)

|-Matt Gauthier
|mdga...@rodan.acs.syr.edu

From what I was told about this, it is harmless like you think.
What the kernel does it to test the root file system against the various
type supported in the kernel. When the minix test fails because you are
using an extfs it will print the magic match failed message. I suppose
that if you used an msdos file system as a root file system that you
would get two of these messages.

James

------------------------------

From: baum...@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Kai Baumbach)
Subject: Yet another X-Problem
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:48:09 GMT

Hi Linux-Xers,

here's just another guy who doesn't bring X to run.
When I type stratx I get:
Creating TCP socket: Invalid argument

then the screen chnages to 50% gray and a mouse-cross appears. It takes
a few seconds until the screen changes to blue and disappears.
Then I see these additional error messages:

exec: gwm: not found

waiting for X server to shut down XFree86 Version 1.0Ya / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)
Configured drivers:
VGA256 (256 colour SVGA):
et4000, et3000, pvga1, gvga, ati, tvga8900
VGA256: et4000 (mem: 512k numclocks: 3)
VGA256: clocks: 25 28 36
VGA256: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024
VGA256: SpeedUp mode selected (Flags=0xf)

xinit: Interrupted system call (errno 4): Client error.
Error: Can't open display: :0
Error: Can't open display: :0

Any clues?
I think I've set up everything correctly so far...
Release is SLS 0.98 from mid-October.

Thanks in advance and keep on linuxing !

Kai
--
Kai Uwe Karl Baumbach **************************
Oriental Institute, University of Freiburg * We really do it on a *
W-7800 Freiburg i. Br., Germany * Motorola *
++49 +761 203-2287 * 8400 ! *

------------------------------

From: wirz...@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Linux News #4 (October 26 - November 6, 1992)
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:35:05 GMT

L i n u x N e w s

A summary of the goings-on of the Linux community

Issue #4, October 26 through November 6, 1992

"The rumors our demise are exaggarated"

**** Highlights in this issue

- comp.os.linux splitting in voting stage
- xsysinfo
- kernel 0.98 pl3
- LILO version alpha.6
- Updates to SLS
- tvtwm
- Xview3 libraries and tools
- poeigl 1.7 and admutil 1.4
- Linus got some money

**** Editorial

This issue is even more late than the previous one. I haven't had
time and energy to do very much about Linux News (and a bunch of other
things), so I missed last week completely, and even now this issue is
rather quickly done. Sorry about that.

A major thing happening in comp.os.linux right now is the vote for
splitting the group into subgroups. This has been discussed sometimes
quite heatedly for a long time, and I won't say much more about it,
except that I personally hope for at least the creation of
comp.os.linux.announce, if only because it would make it easier for me
to do Linux News (I wouldn't have to hunt for announcements, I could
just pick them from one newsgroup).

**** Legalese

Linux News can be copied, re-published, printed, hung on walls, used
as toilet paper, and used in any other way you wish. If you
distribute LN outside comp.os.linux and the LINUXNEWS channel, please
tell me: the more people I know are reading LN, the more eager I am to
put energy into it.

In fact, if you read Linux News, and think that it is a Good Thing,
and you want to make me happier, send me a post card to the following
address:

Lars Wirzenius
Ohratie 16 C 198
SF-01370 VANTAA
Finland

(Letter bombs, as long as they are marked as such, can go to the same
address. :-)

I take no responsibility whatsoever for any information in Linux News,
or any problems due lack of information. If you get killed due to
Linux News, mail me, and I'll feel sorry for you, but that's just
about all I can do.

**** Notices

Linux News is only a summary, if you want more information about a
given subject, please see the source that is referenced at the end of
each note (for Usenet articles, the reference is the Message-ID of the
article). I try to include all the relevant information, including
ftp sites and filenames, as given in the announcements (I probably
won't have the time or energy to check filenames, or to find pointers
to other ftp sites). If possible, I will try to indicate directories
with a trailing /, e.g. ``pub/linux/SLS/''.

I won't include announcements on mailing lists or testing releases,
only things that are meant to be used generally (I admit that the line
can be somewhat difficult to draw, since the whole system is
pre-release).

**** News section

October 27. Gabor Herr announced xsysinfo, a program for X that
displays information about kernel parameters in a graphical form. The
displayed values are CPU load, CPU idela, memory size, cache size, and
swap size.
The program requires Linux 0.98 (or later), a working ps (0.97.6 or
later), the 4.1 jump libs and XFree 1.1.
FTP: tsx-11.mit.edu: xsysinfo-1.0.tar.Z (in /incoming at time of
announcement, final directory not known);
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/Incoming/.
(Source: <1992Oct27.1...@news.th-darmstadt.de>)

October 27. Linus Torvalds announced version 0.98, patchlevel 3 of
the kernel. Both context diffs and full source are available.
0.98 pl3 fixes the following things:
* all known NULL-pointer problems (see announcement of 0.98pl2 in
Linux News #3)
* minor 387-emulation problems
* ASK_SVGA, broken by pl2
There are no new features.
IMPORTANT: There is a major bug in 0.98pl3. The bug will cause the
super-block to not be properly updated when mounting/unmounting
filesystems, which will destroy the filesystem.
FTP: nic.funet.fi: pub/OS/Linux/testing/Linus/
(Source: <1992Oct27.1...@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
<1992Oct29.1...@klaava.Helsinki.FI>)

October 28. Werner Almesberger announced LILO version alpha.6. LILO
is a generic boot loader Linux, which allows one to boot Linux from
the hard disk.
The new version fixes bugs. Also, it should be better at booting
other operating systems. Problems with bootin MS-DOS 5 should be
fixed.
FTP: sunsite.unc.edu: pub/Linux/incoming/ and tsx-11.mit.edu:
pub/linux/ALPHA/lilo/, files lilo.6.tar.Z (source and documentation),
lilo.6.ps.Z (documentation in PostScript format).
(Source: <1992Oct28.0...@bernina.ethz.ch>)

October 28. Linux News #3 contained an announcement of Wampes for
Linux, but it didn't include a description. Olaf Erb described it
today follows:
``It is a package for packet-radio. It includes a program like
ka9q-net that allows logging into the unix machine over ax.25, NET/ROM
and telnet. It includes a convers-server, bbs program and some other
utils.''
FTP: see previous issue.
(Source: <1992Oct28.2...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>)

October 29. Qi Xia announced bug fix version 0.9.1 of cksum. cksum
is a POSIX conforming checksum utility.
FTP: sunsite.unc.edu: pub/Linux/Incoming/ and tsx-11.mit.edu
(filenames or final directories not given).
(Source: <1992Oct29....@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>)

November 1. Peter MacDonald announced new fixes for SLS. Check the
HISTORY file and obtain the packages that have been listed as changed,
especially the z?fix.taz packages (which are collections of patches
and fixes).
(Source: <1992Nov1.2...@sol.UVic.CA>)

November 4. Peter MacDonald announced a new addition to SLS: the
Interviews programs idraw and iclass. They are in their own series,
in anticipation of the full Interviews environment.
(Source: <1992Nov4.1...@sol.UVic.CA>)

November 5. Peter MacDonald announced new fixes for SLS. This should
fix the problems with permission problems in root. Also, ghostscript
with most drivers was added.
(Source: <1992Nov5....@sol.UVic.CA>)

October 30. R. Ramesh announced an upload of tvtwm, a window manager
for X.
All binaries were compiled with jump table 4.1, gcc 2.2.2d7 and
Xv2.1 shared libraries. tvtwm requires m4.
FTP: sunsite.unc.edu: /pub/Linux/Incoming/, files tvtwm-src.tar.Z,
tvtwm-bin.tar.Z and m4.Z.
(Source: <1992Oct30....@utdallas.edu>)

November 1. Ed Rodda announced Pari 1.37 for Linux. It is a
sophisticated math solver.
FTP: math.ucla.edu: pub/pari (no binaries, but is reported to
compile easily).
(Source: <9210...@orca.wimsey.bc.ca>)

November 2. Kenneth Osterberg announced the Xview3 library and tools
ported for Linux. Xview is a user-interface toolkit for X. It
follows the Open Look GUI specification.
The package contains libxview.a, libolgx.a, olwm, olwmslave,
cmdtool/shelltool, props, textedit, and clock. Headerfiles for xview,
olgx, and pixrect, man pages, and online help files are also included.
This release contains binaries and diffs against xview sources.
Installation requires gcc.
FTP: tsx-11.mit.edu: xview3.tar.Z (directory not yet known),
sunsite.unc.edu: /pub/Linux/incoming/.
(Source: <lmfken.720695460@bluese2>)

November 3. Peter Orbaek announced poeigl 1.7 and admutil 1.4.
Poeigl contains init, getty, login, hostname, mesg, users, who, and
write.
Admutils contains chsh, ctrlaltdel, init, last, newgrp, passwd,
shutdown, reboot, halt, fastboot, fasthalt, su, and an example
/etc/rc.
This is a source code only release. It should be compilable with
Linux 0.97pl4 and gcc 2.2.2.
FTP: nic.funet.fi and tsx-11.mit.edu: poeigl-1.7.tar.Z and
admutil-1.4.tar.Z (directories not known at time of announcement).
ftp.daimi.aau.dk: /pub/Linux-source/ (presumably the same filenames).
(Source: <1992Nov3.0...@daimi.aau.dk>)

November 6. Peter Anvin announced the final sum for the USA Linux
fund collection, $785 and $750 after wire transfer charges.
Linus thanks everybody, and reports that his computer has now been
paid in full. He has also received other donations (both money and
things), for which he is also grateful.

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From: din...@diku.dk (Niels Skov Olsen)
Subject: xsetroot and color with S3 server???
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:00:54 GMT

Hi,

I can't make xsetroot color my root window. I have tried the
-fg <color> -bg <color> but to no avail.

I think my xsetroot is from the pre-release of Xfree86 1.1...

Any clues?

Niels

MBMANAGER

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Linux-Activists Digest #498, Volume #3 Sat, 7 Nov 92 04:00:21 EST

Contents:
X & Paradise SVGA (Hair Brain)
Diamond Stealth (Pablo Pfingsthorn)
Re: xsetroot and color with S3 server??? (Niels Skov Olsen)
Extended FS -> "magic match failed" (Sean Chan)
Re: Bootmanager and LILO (David Barr)
Re: Toronto Linux Users (Mike McCarthy)
uid and gid in SLS 0.98 (Steeve McCauley)
Re: IDE faster than Mips SCSI disk (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Re: Can't run shell! (SLS) I'm loosing my hair (Chris Flatters)
Re: Linux/386BSD on Compaq Deskpro 386/25 (Patrick Taylor)
Re: Shoelace... (Lars Wirzenius)
Re: xsetroot and color with S3 server??? (Ari P Laakkonen)
Re: SCSI problems (Ari P Laakkonen)
Re: Extended FS -> "magic match failed" (Ari P Laakkonen)
Phone numbers needed and INFO about ATI boards. (R. Ramesh)
Re: Can't run shell! (SLS) I'm loosing my hair! (Malcolm Beattie)
Re: SLS update (Scott Warner)
Sequence of steps to partition for LinuX and 386BSD ? ( Arnd Merlevede)

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From: csi...@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Hair Brain)
Subject: X & Paradise SVGA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:35:41 GMT

Can anybody out there help me. My linux setup is as follows, and I'm having
great trouble getting X to work in the SVGA modes.

Viglen 33Mhz 486 4Mb 100Mb hard disk

Paradise 512k SVGA - (unusual in that the card combines VGA, IDE
and floppy controller on one card)

- this could be the problem.

If anyone has got X to work in either 800/600 or 1024/768 SVGA mode I would
be very greatful of any hints on how I can get the thing to work. An Xconfig
file would be even better !!!!!!!

On a slightly different note, I am planning on a few upgrades to my machine,
the first two being another 4M ram and another largish hard disk approx
170M. The other item I'm considering is an IDE caching controller, does
anybody have any experience of using this under Linux (compatability
problems ? etc ....). I would be interested to hear your views.

Philip J. Stoddart

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From: p...@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Pablo Pfingsthorn)
Subject: Diamond Stealth
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:42:22 GMT

| Has anybody run X with a Diamond Stealth in ANY resolution? Please! I'm
|desperate!!! I'd also like to have a look at xtetris and all those other

I have gotten Linux 0.98pl2 and XFree 1.1 from tsx-11.mit.edu
but I can't get it to work with my Stealth card and NEC 2A
monitor. Will someone, ANYONE, please give information on a
fix to Xconfig so that those of us who have Diamond Stealth
can use X-windows?

Thanks,
Pablo.
|-----------------------------+-------------------------------------|
| p...@malloco.ing.puc.cl | No way out ... |
|-----------------------------+-------------------------------------|

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From: din...@diku.dk (Niels Skov Olsen)

Subject: Re: xsetroot and color with S3 server???
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:09:02 GMT

I wrote:

|I can't make xsetroot color my root window. I have tried the
|-fg <color> -bg <color> but to no avail.

Ok, I overlooked the -solid option -- silly me!

Thanx

Niels

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From: ch...@cs.curtin.edu.au (Sean Chan)
Subject: Extended FS -> "magic match failed"
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:52:55 GMT

I installed Linux on my hard drive as Linux Extended FS (Partition ID
83), with the SLS distribution. After the installation was complete, I
rebooted...and it came up with "magic match failed". Other than that
statement, Linux works fine. I can login, etc.

Oh, yes, when I do a fsck /dev/hda2 it comes up with a "bad magic number
in super-block". What does this mean?? Can anyone shed some light here??

Sean

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From: ba...@stein.u.washington.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Bootmanager and LILO
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:47:19 GMT

|Kees de Bruin (ke...@imada.ou.dk) wrote:
|: I'm using Linux for quite some time now, but are currently using a
|: shoelace/bootmanager combination to boot DOS/OS2/Linux. Because I
|: want to shift to version .98 using the SLS and knowing that shoelace
|: does not work wit SLS.98, I was wondering if I can use LILO and the
|: bootmanager together.

If you are using lilo, you don't need a boot manager. Lilo takes care of that.
You install Lilo, then use fdisk to make your linux partition your bootable
partition. If you hold down the shift, control or alt key while the computer
is booting up, you get a prompt asking which partition you want to boot off of.

------------------------------

From: cs4g...@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mike McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Toronto Linux Users

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:51:55 GMT

Hi, There is some interest at my campus.
I have been using linux since April, and am quite happy with it.
(I just wish I had a better machine!!)

Mike McCarthy
McMaster Univeristy.
email: mcca...@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca

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From: ro...@pooh.geophys.mcgill.ca (Steeve McCauley)
Subject: uid and gid in SLS 0.98
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:19:02 GMT

Seems that if i try to create a user with a group id different than the
user id that the uid is taken as the first group. Thus when I try to create
a file, if logged in as say joe whose group id has been assigned as 6 (users)
and userid 201 (joe), then the file is created as if the group owner is 201
rather than 6. Also if I type groups the list comes up as [201 users] rather
than just [users], which is the only group to which joe currently belongs.
Any Ideas?

PS: I'm hoping to set my user id's to the same values as I'm using on my other
unix boxes, that's why I'm choosing 201 (for example), all in anticipation
of NFS.

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Crossposted-To: comp.arch,comp.unix.bsd
From: ha...@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)

Subject: Re: IDE faster than Mips SCSI disk

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:45:56 GMT

Could someone with a fast IDE drive and VESA local bus IDE controller
run IOZONE. I heard of upto 20MB/s data transfer on a local bus
system. I was going to check-it out the system but they sold out.

Amancio

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From: cfla...@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters)
Subject: Re: Can't run shell! (SLS) I'm loosing my hair
Reply-To: cfla...@nrao.edu
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:42:50 GMT

In article 15...@ugle.unit.no, hall...@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen) writes:
| This is driving me crazy!
|
| I've got the SLS package (including the z?fix.taz files), and
|there is now way I can do anything as a user. Well actually the errors I
|get is:
|
| shell-init:permission denied (when I log in)
| pwd : permission denied (every time i type a command)
|
| But when I check it turns out that my commands (like creating files
|deleting files and so on) are usually executed. The problem seems to
|be shell commands *only*. (that is since PS1="pwd"# I allways get a
|permission denied message)
|
| So: How do I make the shell usable for users?

As root, type

chmod a+r /

Chris Flatters
cfla...@nrao.edu

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From: exu...@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: Linux/386BSD on Compaq Deskpro 386/25
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:34:19 GMT

In article <id.L9...@ferranti.com> pe...@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:

|I'm considering buying a used Compaq Deskpro 386/25. I'll be using a Maxtor
|XT4380E or Miniscribe 9380E with an as yet undetermined ESDI controller. Has
|anyone run Linux or 386BSD on a similar platform? What sort of controller
|would work best in this environment (don't say SCSI, I have a good deal on
|the drive)?

What sort of things should I be watching out for?

Good deals on SCSI drives ;-)

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From: wirz...@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Shoelace...
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:39:00 GMT

lud...@wefunk.rent.com (Mitchel F. Ludwig) writes:
|If no-one has any clue, what are you all using?

I boot from a diskette, myself. None of them new-fangled, fancy hard
disk boot programs here. Them gives only trouble, mark my word.

:-)

Actually, for quite a while there have been warnings against using
Shoelace, since it doesn't work very well with newer Linux kernels
(there have been problems with too big kernels, at least, I think).
The recommended way is to use LILO, the Linux Loader program. A new
version was recently announced.

(The reason that I don't boot from the HD, is that I've been way too
lazy to install anything new on my system for weeks.)

--
Lars.Wi...@helsinki.fi (finger wirz...@klaava.helsinki.fi)
MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.

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From: a...@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ari P Laakkonen)
Subject: Re: xsetroot and color with S3 server???
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:26:51 GMT
Reply-To: a...@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ari P Laakkonen)

In article <1992Nov6.1...@odin.diku.dk>, din...@diku.dk (Niels

Skov Olsen) writes:
|> Hi,
|>
|> I can't make xsetroot color my root window. I have tried the
|> -fg <color> -bg <color> but to no avail.
|>
|> I think my xsetroot is from the pre-release of Xfree86 1.1...
|>
|> Any clues?
|>
|> Niels

Use xsetroot -solid <colour-name>

Ari

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From: a...@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ari P Laakkonen)
Subject: Re: SCSI problems
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:35:01 GMT
Reply-To: a...@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ari P Laakkonen)

In article <1992Nov6.1...@athena.mit.edu>, p...@raster.Kodak.COM

Yes, I have the same problem but just not so bad.. kernel compilation is not
too bad, but sometimes it can take about 10-15 secs to do a sync after
just compiling a single kernel file & linking... My IDE drive is much faster.
My configuration is TiKo 486/50 16M ram, 120M IDE quantum, Adaptec 1542B
with 120M SCSI Maxtor. It seems like whenever the machine runs out of cache
space and writes stuff to disk, or an explicit sync is done then things
really freeze.
I use the 0.98.3 kernel with TCP/IP & cd-rom extra bits.
I don't have a swap file.

Anyone any ideas what is going on?

Ari

------------------------------

From: a...@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ari P Laakkonen)
Subject: Re: Extended FS -> "magic match failed"
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:38:52 GMT
Reply-To: a...@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ari P Laakkonen)

In article <chans.721065175@marsh>, ch...@cs.curtin.edu.au (Sean Chan) writes:
|> I installed Linux on my hard drive as Linux Extended FS (Partition ID
|> 83), with the SLS distribution. After the installation was complete, I
|> rebooted...and it came up with "magic match failed". Other than that
|> statement, Linux works fine. I can login, etc.
|>
|> Oh, yes, when I do a fsck /dev/hda2 it comes up with a "bad magic number
|> in super-block". What does this mean?? Can anyone shed some light here??
|>
|> Sean

I think this is because the kernel assumes that the root partition is a
minix partition.
You could try to have a really minimalist minix root partition and then use
another partition with an ext fs on it for the bulk of your files.

Ari

------------------------------

From: ram...@utdallas.edu (R. Ramesh)
Subject: Phone numbers needed and INFO about ATI boards.
Reply-To: ram...@utdallas.edu
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:34:10 GMT

Hi:

I am looking for phone numbers of Orchid (maker of S3 based Farenheit 1280)
and Actix (maker of Actix GraphicsEngine) to find out what is the trend of S3
based cards before I loose some money on a new card.

I am interested in
running Xv2.1 under linux at 1152x900x256 at least with XS3 (I know that
current version of XS3 can only do 1024x768x256 and this is supposed to be
changed in the future).

BTW, all those who read my earlier message about "ATI Graphics ultra cannot do
1152x900" I have news. I talked to folks in ATI and they say you can if you
program Mach 8 directly (i.e, not 8514 no SVGA mach 8 direct). Documents about
mach 8 is freely available for $50. Docs about Mach 32 (the new processor in
the ultra+ and pro) are available after signing nondisclosure agreement :-(
But the guy I talked to said that it is only matter of time before this
restriction is taken off. He also said using SVGA registers instead of Mach 8
or Mach 32 directly can lead to as much as 50% penalty in speed. So the folks
with LocalBus ultrapro who bought it for sheer speed should work on X servers
with Mach 8 (or Mach 32) before they realize the full potential of the card
:-(

If anybody feels that the content of this message does not belong here please
inform me by e-mail and I will stop posting such messages.

Ramesh

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From: mbea...@black.ox.ac.uk (Malcolm Beattie)
Subject: Re: Can't run shell! (SLS) I'm loosing my hair!
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:40:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.0...@ugle.unit.no> hall...@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen) writes:
|
|
| This is driving me crazy!
|
| I've got the SLS package (including the z?fix.taz files), and
|there is now way I can do anything as a user. Well actually the errors I
|get is:
|
| shell-init:permission denied (when I log in)
| pwd : permission denied (every time i type a command)
|
| But when I check it turns out that my commands (like creating files
|deleting files and so on) are usually executed. The problem seems to

|be shell commands *only*. (that is since PS1="pwd"# I always get a

|permission denied message)
|
| So: How do I make the shell usable for users?

This sort of problem occurs when a user's home directory has its
permissions set incorrectly, for example if the directory is not
owned by the user and the permissions are rwx--x--x.
Just before the shell gives its prompt, it may try to
stat and read the current working directory, e.g. to put things
in its prompt text. This causes errors such as you describe.

When you create a user, bloggs say, make sure after you create
the home directory that you
# chown bloggs ~bloggs
(or chown bloggs.users ~bloggs or whatever) and then twiddle the
permissions if you don't like them.

Notice that the problem would show up under most Unices only
if the user *did* have execute permission but did *not* have
read permission, because without execute permission, login
realises in time and says something like
No home directory! logging in with home=/
and puts you in the root directory. Does anyone know if the login
that Linux (in particular, SLS) uses perhaps does the chdir
*before* changing uid to the user and without checks? In that
case, the above problem may show up even if the user's home
directory was rwx------ and not owned by the user?

--Malcolm

|
|
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From: sco...@carex.forests (Scott Warner)
Subject: Re: SLS update
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:40:23 GMT
Reply-To: sco...@carex.forests

I just installed the brand new SLS release last night.
The problem with the shell-init takes place in the b-disks of the distribution
for some unknown reason. I noticed the problem after I installed all the
b-disks so I think it might be in the zbfix. I just located the shell script
zafix in /install/scripts and reran it and everything was fine.

A couple of other problems I had were:
The all the man pages are not world readable
The directories I remember that had problems
were cat1, cat8, and man1(?). I believe there
was at least one more directory that needed fixing.
The other major problem I had was that the X11 font files in
/usr/lib/X11/font/75dpi and /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc
need to be compressed before I could get X to work.

All in all the problems were minor and just took a little head scratching to
figure out.

The SLS release of Linux is just the thing to expose it to the masses.
I knew about Linux long before I installed it. The only problem was that I have no
system administrator experience and so installing a complete unix system from scratch
was intimidating to say the least. When I found out about SLS I went out and
grabbed it off the net and in about 3 hours have unix and X-windows running
on my PC. Please keep up the excellant work.

Scott Warner

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From: adme...@sundae.triumf.ca ( Arnd Merlevede )
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Sequence of steps to partition for LinuX and 386BSD ?
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:02:33 GMT
Reply-To: adme...@cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de

Hi, anybody willing to share the experience they may have in setting
up a (in my case 1G SCSI w/adaptec) hard disk for
dos linux and bsd ?
Maybe just the sequence in which to apply the steps in the various
Q/A FAQs and what else is floating around ?
Thanx
Arnd

ps. Anybody still having a dist.fs.we800 ? Looks like it disappeared
from the net ... (I d appreciate a uuencoded mail )

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Any replies appreciated to : Arnd.Me...@cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
I hate to tell you, but you're only being simulated on the new cray !
(sdb: Would you like to save a backup of YOUR coredump ?)

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