"Password" and "1234567" Still Favorite Passwords - And For Good REASONS

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166p1

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Nov 18, 2021, 12:52:11 AM11/18/21
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Will we EVER learn? '123456' and 'password' are still among the
most popular passwords in the world – while many users continue
to use their own name, report reveals

The annual NordPass Most Common Passwords report revealed common
trends. It found that people are still using very simple and easy
to guess passwords including '123456', 'password' and 'qwerty'
which can be cracked in a second. There were local and gender
differences including sports teams as passwords.

. . . .

SysAdmin ??? Well THIS is what you're up against - and
it's NOT going to change.

Users would rather live with unknown risks than suffer
with passwords and other procedures that are impossible
to remember or a pain to cope with. They WILL find a
way around difficult edicts - or they'll quit and take
all their job experience with them.

But, when it goes bad, the SysAdmins get the blame.

Look, cybercommerce/cyberbanking SOUNDED great. But
people are NOT going to cope with "dffNs%h##fj3d7xuz"
passwords plus text-messages on smartphones they may
not even own plus biometrics that won't recognize
you if you grew a beard or cut your thumb or dropped
20 pounds plus inscruitable captchas. And WHY don't
you know the name of your maiden aunts 3rd cousin's
favorite pet gerbil ???!!!

Nobody is going to put up with such shit.

Sorry, but "convenient" was one of the main drives
behind online commerce/banking. Now they feel they
have to make it as INconvenient as possible just to
stay half a step ahead of cyberCRIME. This is NOT
working out.

I'll tell you the solution ... and you won't like it ...
physically go TO your bank and do business with bits
of PAPER in front of people there who KNOW your face.
SHOP online, but print the order form, fill it out
in ink, and physically MAIL it to the seller. Might
not hurt to include a PAPER *CHECK* inside to cover
the purchase - again something tangible, something
they'll at least have to scan. Use a Sharpie pen
to write the check too - something that can't be
washed out.

Oh, and you can go to physical STORES ... they have
all kinds of interesting things on big rows of
shelves ... and there's a thing called "cash" you
can use to buy those fascinating items.

This 1950-ish approach WILL thwart crime. Because
of human nature, NOTHING will thwart it using
todays methods. 'Convenient' for you ? PARADISE
for the cybercriminals and cyberterrorists.

This is the horrible bitter Truth, and you KNOW it.

SysAdmin ? Contract ? Slip "NOT responsible for events
resulting from users employing poor passwords/technique"
in there. If they won't accept that - QUIT - you'll be
saving yourself endless trouble. Put them on the blacklist
at all the job-search sites.

The Natural Philosopher

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Nov 18, 2021, 3:03:54 AM11/18/21
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On 18/11/2021 05:52, 166p1 wrote:
> Oh, and you can go to physical STORES ... they have
> all kinds of interesting things on big rows of
> shelves ... and there's a thing called "cash" you
> can use to buy those fascinating items.
>
> This 1950-ish approach WILL thwart crime. Because
> of human nature, NOTHING will thwart it using
> todays methods. 'Convenient' for you ? PARADISE
> for the cybercriminals and cyberterrorists.

Carry cash around? and get short changed and get mugged, like we did in
the 1950s? Not to mention te retailer denying the transaction ever took
place as there is no record of it? no thanks!

It's easier to dream up passwords that are instantly memorable to you,
but unguessable by anyone else....

GimmeMyDollar$ok!

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the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

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Ant

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Nov 18, 2021, 5:11:35 AM11/18/21
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People don't care. It will be forever. :(

In comp.os.linux.misc 166p1 <z24ba6.net> wrote:
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10209349/Passwords-123456-password-popular.html

> Will we EVER learn? '123456' and 'password' are still among the
> most popular passwords in the world ??? while many users continue
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Andreas Kohlbach

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Nov 18, 2021, 12:03:19 PM11/18/21
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 00:52:03 -0500, 166p1 <z24ba6.net> wrote:
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> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10209349/Passwords-123456-password-popular.html
>
> Will we EVER learn? '123456' and 'password' are still among the
> most popular passwords in the world – while many users continue
> to use their own name, report reveals

"They" wont ever learn. My bet is that 123456 is still people's favorite
password in 2030.
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The Natural Philosopher

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Nov 18, 2021, 1:04:01 PM11/18/21
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On 18/11/2021 17:03, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 00:52:03 -0500, 166p1 <z24ba6.net> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10209349/Passwords-123456-password-popular.html
>>
>> Will we EVER learn? '123456' and 'password' are still among the
>> most popular passwords in the world – while many users continue
>> to use their own name, report reveals
>
> "They" wont ever learn. My bet is that 123456 is still people's favorite
> password in 2030.
>
You think people will still be able to count in 2030?


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Nov 18, 2021, 2:13:44 PM11/18/21
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Am Thu, 18 Nov 2021 00:52:03 -0500
schrieb 166p1 <z24ba6.net>:

> Will we EVER learn? '123456' and 'password' are still among the
> most popular passwords in the world – while many users continue
> to use their own name, report reveals
No, people will not learn that. They also don't care about it.
If their accounts get hacked, they will be disabled and they can't use
the service anymore. This is the only way they learn that.

Andreas Kohlbach

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Nov 18, 2021, 8:52:45 PM11/18/21
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:03:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 18/11/2021 17:03, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> "They" wont ever learn. My bet is that 123456 is still people's
>> favorite
>> password in 2030.
>>
> You think people will still be able to count in 2030?

Do they today?

But I was about to add "...if mankind still exists in 2030".
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Charlie Gibbs

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Nov 18, 2021, 10:11:12 PM11/18/21
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On 2021-11-18, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 18/11/2021 17:03, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 00:52:03 -0500, 166p1 <z24ba6.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10209349/Passwords-123456-password-popular.html
>>>
>>> Will we EVER learn? '123456' and 'password' are still among the
>>> most popular passwords in the world – while many users continue
>>> to use their own name, report reveals
>>
>> "They" wont ever learn. My bet is that 123456 is still people's favorite
>> password in 2030.
>
> You think people will still be able to count in 2030?

"There's an app for that."

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166p1

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Nov 18, 2021, 11:41:19 PM11/18/21
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Probably not even then.

Amazon UK has announced that it will no longer be
accepting VISA starting Jan 1 because the transaction
fee VISA charges is too high. But WHY is it too high ?
Because their banks are super-greedy ? Not quite. It's
because SO many people get their numbers STOLEN and
the banks at least have to do a fair job of pretending
you're not scammin' when you say YOU didn't buy 'X'.
The transaction fee is really a fraud-recovery fee.
And less VISA use just means the others will get scammed
all the more and THEIR fees will become impossible to
ignore .......

Credit cards, phone and online orders, all started in
a different social environment - where people WERE
more honest and you didn't have to worry about
Romanian hackers.

Oh, Amazon UK *will* keep accepting VISA *debit cards*.
Why ? Because the rules on recovering ripped-off money
are a LOT more restrictive for debit cards. Basically
the banks can say "Sorry Sucker - now Fuck Off".
Never keep more in one of those accounts than you're
willing to lose - and DO disconnect that account from
any others you have. Actually, disconnect ALL accounts
from each other, no "overdraft protection" either where
they steal from account 'B' to pay for account 'A'.

A few banks USED to offer a funky service that would
give you a fake CC number - good for an amount, and
time range, you specified. At least at the time the
hackers weren't into THAT service. Maybe it's time
to revive something like that. But how will they
keep out the hackers NOW that all their servers are
conveniently, cheaply, remotely managed with SolarWinds
or equivalent ?

My favorite hack story had to do with Target stores.
The hacks didn't bother to breech the company database,
they hacked the little terminals at the counter people
stuck their cards into .....

Cash money at the Wal-Mart - still the safest way.
Now if we can just get them to accept gold ... :-)

Hmm ... there ARE x-ray based scanners - hand-held -
that can give you an elemental/percentage readout
in about a second for any alloy. With that, paying
in gold and silver really COULD make a comeback ...

Oh well, anyway ... I think I've brought up a valid issue
for the modern world. Hyper-security is needed - but it's
SUCH a pain in the ass that people won't put up with it
and gimmicks will only get you just so far, just so much
protection, just so much convenience. We need a whole
new thing - or a very old thing - and I don't SEE it.

The Natural Philosopher

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Nov 19, 2021, 4:00:47 AM11/19/21
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On 19/11/2021 01:52, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:03:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> On 18/11/2021 17:03, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>
>>> "They" wont ever learn. My bet is that 123456 is still people's
>>> favorite
>>> password in 2030.
>>>
>> You think people will still be able to count in 2030?
>
> Do they today?
>
> But I was about to add "...if mankind still exists in 2030".
>
There is a reason why some people are called 'dumb fucks'

Intelligence is not always a survival asset.

pH

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Nov 21, 2021, 6:33:24 PM11/21/21
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<snip>
Actually, writing checks and mailing them, using cash...that's
pretty much how I run my life.
Small knick-knacks on line, but no major shopping that way.

pH in Aptos

166p1

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Nov 28, 2021, 2:02:01 AM11/28/21
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On 11/18/21 10:11 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2021-11-18, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 18/11/2021 17:03, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 00:52:03 -0500, 166p1 <z24ba6.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10209349/Passwords-123456-password-popular.html
>>>>
>>>> Will we EVER learn? '123456' and 'password' are still among the
>>>> most popular passwords in the world – while many users continue
>>>> to use their own name, report reveals
>>>
>>> "They" wont ever learn. My bet is that 123456 is still people's favorite
>>> password in 2030.
>>
>> You think people will still be able to count in 2030?
>
> "There's an app for that."

And there's some truth in that cynicism ...

pH

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Dec 3, 2021, 12:32:41 PM12/3/21
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On 2021-12-03, Iterator Revamps <it...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 23:33:21 +0000, pH wrote:
>
>> Actually, writing checks and mailing them, using cash...that's pretty
>> much how I run my life.
>> Small knick-knacks on line, but no major shopping that way.
>
> "Checks"? How quaint. I use IOU's!
>

Another excellent choice! Everything else is worth the paper it's written
on.

pH

Christopher Conforti

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Feb 18, 2022, 11:32:49 PMFeb 18
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 08:03:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Not to mention te retailer denying the transaction ever took place as
> there is no record of it? no thanks!

Isn't that a good thing? Because then I also have a better chance at
denying the transaction ever took place if LEOs come snooping. Far as
they know, it teleported into my garage.

25.BX943

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Feb 19, 2022, 12:02:25 AMFeb 19
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Shhhhh ! Without a paper economy we - indeed most of
the world - have no economy at all ! The illusion
MUST be maintained.

How many chickens can you deliver to pay for a pig ?
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