Re: Installing new Components in an old Computer
RayLopez99
>
> > Yes but my question was whether journaling is done automatically by
> > NTFS file system Operating Systems or whether you have to instruct
> > them to.
>
> > RL
>
> As far as I know, it's automatic. I couldn't find an article
> with the necessary information.
>
> It can be fouled up though.
>
> For example, if you do a "dirty shutdown" on an NTFS computer,
> just turn the power off in the middle of a session. Then,
> turn the power on and boot a Linux LiveCD. When Linux touches
> the NTFS volume, in can invalidate the transaction log. Then,
> if you boot Windows five minutes later, CHKDSK will notice the
> transaction log isn't consistent with the state of the volume
> and throw it away (at the cost of perhaps preventing a nice
> neat recovery of recently written files). So I've heard, that
> being careless with NTFS can disable the journal. But
> otherwise, if you had a Windows machine, and did critical accesses
> to the file system with Windows, you should get the maximum
> benefit from any log kept. So if you were running Windows,
> turned off the power in mid-session, you'd be best advised
> to boot into Windows next, to give the file system driver
> a chance to clean up, one way or another.
>
> I'm also not certain, exactly what Linux does with the journal.
> Whether it journals the writes it's doing (so Windows could
> read the journal on the next boot). Or whether Linux has
> the ability to do any repairs. Since Linux seems not to have
> "CHKDSK capability", i.e. can't do repairs, that would suggest
> it won't look at the transaction log when the file system is
> started. So just a guess would be, perhaps Linux doesn't
> do things quite the way Windows does. While the Linux NTFS driver
> is pretty good (no complaints here), there might still be
> some corner conditions not handled as well as in Windows.
>
> As far as I know, the only contribution towards CHHDSK that
> Linux can make, is Linux can set the "dirty" bit, forcing
> a CHKDSK to run the next time Windows boots. But as for
> repair capabilities, I don't think it has any of significance.
>
> The feature set of NTFS, has changed with the more recent
> versions of Windows, but as far as I know, the new features
> are "layered on top" of the existing infrastructure. So the
> engine at the bottom remains the same. Doing it that way,
> might mean less chance of damage, if you alternated between
> booting Win2K and Windows 7.
>
> Paul
Thanks Paul--I had exactly what you describe above happen when I tried
a "LiveCD" distro of Linux. I ended up having to run Chkdsk
repeatedly before Windows XP would boot. It was scary--I thought for
a while I'd have to reinstal Windows--because Windows would not even
boot in Safe Mode (it would keep resetting). I ended up using a Bart
PE type util (I think it was Bart) to do the Chkdsk, and that solved
the 'corrupted by Linux' HD.
RL
Alan Mackenzie
>> > RL
>> ? ? Paul
> Thanks Paul--I had exactly what you describe above happen when I tried
> a "LiveCD" distro of Linux.
Which distribution would that be, and how old was it? Also, what were
you doing deliberately powering off your PC without shutting it down?
And with your cynicism, why did you not reboot into Windows first, as
Paul suggested?
> I ended up having to run Chkdsk repeatedly before Windows XP would
> boot.
That doesn't say much for the quality of Chkdsk. You'd think it'd either
work, or the filesystem would be beyond saving, somthing which doesn't
happen with Linux filesystems.
Anyway, why didn't you use a "LiveCD" to boot into Windows?
> It was scary--I thought for a while I'd have to reinstal Windows ...
Surely Windows users are used to this. As an experienced Windowser, you
will surely have your OS in its own partition, so that you can reinstall
without losing your data, and without having to reload the data from the
backup you haven't made.
> ... --because Windows would not even boot in Safe Mode (it would
> keep resetting).
You should be raising this in a Windows group, not a Linux one.
> I ended up using a Bart PE type util (I think it was
> Bart) to do the Chkdsk, and that solved the 'corrupted by Linux' HD.
Whatever that is. But are you saying that the standard Windows Chkdsk is
inferior to a third party product?
Anyhow, your account of your experience becomes inconsistent here. You
either recovered after running Chkdsk repeatedly or you needed Bart.
Which one was it?
To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
> RL
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Norman Peelman
Because it never happened.
>> I ended up having to run Chkdsk repeatedly before Windows XP would
>> boot.
>
> That doesn't say much for the quality of Chkdsk. You'd think it'd either
> work, or the filesystem would be beyond saving, somthing which doesn't
> happen with Linux filesystems.
>
> Anyway, why didn't you use a "LiveCD" to boot into Windows?
>
Because it never happened.
>> It was scary--I thought for a while I'd have to reinstal Windows ...
>
> Surely Windows users are used to this. As an experienced Windowser, you
> will surely have your OS in its own partition, so that you can reinstall
> without losing your data, and without having to reload the data from the
> backup you haven't made.
>
>> ... --because Windows would not even boot in Safe Mode (it would
>> keep resetting).
>
> You should be raising this in a Windows group, not a Linux one.
>
>> I ended up using a Bart PE type util (I think it was
>> Bart) to do the Chkdsk, and that solved the 'corrupted by Linux' HD.
>
Itś an illegal Windows ¨LiveCD¨ of sorts.
> Whatever that is. But are you saying that the standard Windows Chkdsk is
> inferior to a third party product?
>
> Anyhow, your account of your experience becomes inconsistent here. You
> either recovered after running Chkdsk repeatedly or you needed Bart.
> Which one was it?
>
> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
>
Because there´s nothing honest about it.
--
Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 8.04 64bit
RayLopez99
>
> > To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
>
> Because there´s nothing honest about it.
>
> --
Liar. Have to resort to lies to make your case eh Norm Pee-man?
It was Windows XP, and the Live CD was I believe Mint. And yes it
happened--twice in fact. I figured out it was Linux only after the
second time.
RL
William Poaster
> In comp.os.linux.setup RayLopez99 <raylo...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
Not surprising. RayLopez99 is s known troll. Bin it & move on, is my
advice.
--
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"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves.
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods."
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --
Bobbie Sellers
Indeed you should doubt a troll so notorious that even I
have kill-filled him. Especially when the x posting includes
an advocacy newsgroup.
later
bliss
Norman Peelman
It was -you- not shutting down your system properly.
Aragorn
enlightened humanity with the following words...:
> In reply to Alan Mackenzie who posted:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.setup RayLopez99 <raylo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
>
> Not surprising. RayLopez99 is s known troll. Bin it & move on, is my
> advice.
+100
--
Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
William Poaster
> On 07/03/2011 06:39 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
>> On Jul 3, 1:26 pm, Norman Peelman<npeel...@cfl.rr.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
>>>
>>> Because there�s nothing honest about it.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Liar. Have to resort to lies to make your case eh Norm Pee-man?
>>
>> It was Windows XP, and the Live CD was I believe Mint. And yes it
>> happened--twice in fact. I figured out it was Linux only after the
>> second time.
>>
>> RL
>>
>
> It was -you- not shutting down your system properly.
>
The incompetent Dopez99 showing his ineptness again.
" RayLopez99" Either the dumbass is 99 years old & senile, or he was born
in 1999 is only 12 years old....although i know some 12 year olds smarter
than he is.
--
Windows Breakthrough: It finally booted on the first try.
RayLopez99
> On Sunday 03 July 2011 14:36 in comp.os.linux.setup, William Poaster
> enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>
> > In reply to Alan Mackenzie who posted:
>
>
> > <snip>
>
> >> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
>
> > Not surprising. RayLopez99 is s known troll. Bin it & move on, is my
> > advice.
>
> +100
>
> --
> Aragorn
> (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
Shiite head you can only "+1", not 100, unless you stuff the ballot
box.
So stuff it retard.
RL
RayLopez99
> In reply to Norman Peelman who posted:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 07/03/2011 06:39 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
> >> On Jul 3, 1:26 pm, Norman Peelman<npeel...@cfl.rr.com> wrote
>
> >>>> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
>
> >>> Because there´s nothing honest about it.
>
> >>> --
>
> >> Liar. Have to resort to lies to make your case eh Norm Pee-man?
>
> >> It was Windows XP, and the Live CD was I believe Mint. And yes it
> >> happened--twice in fact. I figured out it was Linux only after the
> >> second time.
>
> >> RL
>
> > It was -you- not shutting down your system properly.
>
> The incompetent Dopez99 showing his ineptness again.
>
> " RayLopez99" Either the dumbass is 99 years old & senile, or he was born
> in 1999 is only 12 years old....although i know some 12 year olds smarter
> than he is.
"Please don't feed the troll" isn't that what you usually post for me?
Idiot.
Linux user, it figures.
RL
RayLopez99
> On 07/03/2011 06:39 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> > On Jul 3, 1:26 pm, Norman Peelman<npeel...@cfl.rr.com> wrote
>
> >>> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
>
> >> Because there s nothing honest about it.
>
> >> --
>
> > Liar. Have to resort to lies to make your case eh Norm Pee-man?
>
> > It was Windows XP, and the Live CD was I believe Mint. And yes it
> > happened--twice in fact. I figured out it was Linux only after the
> > second time.
>
> > RL
>
> It was -you- not shutting down your system properly.
>
That's correct: I did do a 'hard reboot' by turning off the power.
But it's the fault of the Linux CD to corrupt my XP HD such that it
failed in the way it did. Linux is very temperamental when it comes
to recovering after a hard reboot, as evidenced by the above.
RL
The Natural Philosopher
> In reply to Norman Peelman who posted:
>
>> On 07/03/2011 06:39 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>> On Jul 3, 1:26 pm, Norman Peelman<npeel...@cfl.rr.com> wrote
>>>>> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
>>>> Because there´s nothing honest about it.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Liar. Have to resort to lies to make your case eh Norm Pee-man?
>>>
>>> It was Windows XP, and the Live CD was I believe Mint. And yes it
>>> happened--twice in fact. I figured out it was Linux only after the
>>> second time.
>>>
>>> RL
>>>
>> It was -you- not shutting down your system properly.
>>
> The incompetent Dopez99 showing his ineptness again.
>
> " RayLopez99" Either the dumbass is 99 years old & senile, or he was born
> in 1999 is only 12 years old....although i know some 12 year olds smarter
> than he is.
>
'retard' a lot.
The Natural Philosopher
see? can't punctuate, uncivil, no real knowledge of a computer, uses
juvenile language?
Guess the age?
14?
> RL
Alan Mackenzie
>> On 07/03/2011 06:39 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
>> >>> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire
>> >>> story.
>> > It was Windows XP, and the Live CD was I believe Mint. ?And yes it
>> > happened--twice in fact. ?I figured out it was Linux only after the
>> > second time.
Not sure how you work out that it's Linux. Just because Windows can't
recover from a deliberately induced error condition? I suggest you try
the same thing with a Live CD from a non-Linux OS. ;-)
>> > RL
>> ? ?It was -you- not shutting down your system properly.
> That's correct: I did do a 'hard reboot' by turning off the power.
> But it's the fault of the Linux CD to corrupt my XP HD such that it
> failed in the way it did.
o - Linux booted from a live CD doesn't know which HDD partition is /.
o - Therefore this Linux cannot find /etc/fstab.
o - Therefore the Linux could only mount filesystems, (including the NTFS
ones), at random mount points, something it definitely won't be doing.
o - Therefore the Linux cannot write to a HDD partition.
o - In particular, the Linux can't alter the Journal on an NTFS partition.
The only exception to the above would be a malicious CD. Are you
suggesting your Mint CD was malicious?
> Linux is very temperamental when it comes to recovering after a hard
> reboot, as evidenced by the above.
As proven by me above, the Linux Live CD isn't the problem. The OP, Paul,
must have been mistaken about the cause of his corruption.
My Linux boxes have never had a corrupt filesystem after an inopportune
hard reboot, at least, not one which wasn't trivially fixable.
RayLopez99
You misread my post, you dumb Nazi kraut.
I was using a Windows XP OS pc, not a Linux, and with this Windows PC
was using a LiveCD, I think Mint. Then I did a hard reboot (turned
off the power--if memory serves I was trying to kill the KDE but could
not). Then, without the Linux CD, my Windows XP refused to load until
I used chkdsk from an external CD to fix the corrupted HD--corrupted
by Linux.
GOT IT NOW?
RL
Paul
I don't think the conversation which Lopez99 decided to cross-post,
talked about corruption.
There is some detail about journal handling, and moving between
Windows and Linux and back again. I'm not going to look up the
details now, but if you shut down Windows "dirty", then boot
Linux, it is possible when next Windows is booted, the
journal will not be available for repair purposes.
That's not a corruption as such. It's a common sense issue,
as participants have noted.
I'm not 100% positive about what percentage of NTFS features
are in the NTFS driver. I've heard there is no equivalent
of CHKDSK in the Linux NTFS driver, and a corollary to that,
is the journal may not be used.
So it's really a detailed question of how Linux handles the
NTFS journal, and whether moving back and forth between
OSes is perfectly transparent. Under normal circumstances,
as tested here, it works well. But I haven't gone out of
my way to test corner conditions (such as shoving a "dirty"
file system into a Linux system).
Now, if I was stupid enough to turn off the power on my
Windows PC, my next move would not be booting a Linux LiveCD.
I would reboot into Windows and make sure everything was
clean, before doing anything else. I have enough questions
about journal handling, not to do that. The only time I'm
going to be booting a Linux LiveCD, is when Windows has shut
down cleanly.
I understood Linux can set the "dirty bit", in the same way
fsutil can, so the next time Windows starts, CHKDSK will run.
But that is for the purpose of encouraging Windows to repair
the file system.
There is apparently one commercial product available for Linux,
which has additional capabilities over and above what the
free Linux software provides. But it's not like I'm going to
run out and waste money on that, when simply avoiding any
corner conditions is sufficient for most normal usage. I
don't think I've ever seen or demonstrated any NTFS damage,
even when using marginal versions of Knoppix (where the
NTFS driver had just become available). So I have nothing
to complain about here. It's all a matter of common sense...
I've also not experienced any issues with FAT32, and
since that is not a journaled file system, it is even
more exposed than NTFS. And again, I wouldn't purposely
create a "dirty" shutdown, by powering off the Windows
PC in mid-session, and then booting Linux to look at the
FAT32 partition afterwards. I'd boot Windows first, make
sure everything is clean, reboot, and use my Linux LiveCD.
Even Windows is not guaranteed to recover FAT32, if
you go around powering off the PC in mid-session.
Eventually, you'll have a problem, sooner or later.
FAT32 is not bulletproof.
Paul
Peter Köhlmann
Idiot
With an apology to all the "real idiots" out there, to be compared to suchg
a braindead cretin like RayLopez.
You are doing a fine job of painting the windows users out there as dumb and
totally worthless crack addicts, RayLopez
Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Paul.
Good to see you in the thread at comp.os.linux.setup. :-)
In comp.os.linux.setup Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.setup RayLopez99 <raylo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 3, 5:33?pm, Norman Peelman <npeel...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> On 07/03/2011 06:39 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>>>>>> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire
>>>>>>> story.
> I don't think the conversation which Lopez99 decided to cross-post,
> talked about corruption.
> There is some detail about journal handling, and moving between
> Windows and Linux and back again. I'm not going to look up the
> details now, but if you shut down Windows "dirty", then boot
> Linux, it is possible when next Windows is booted, the
> journal will not be available for repair purposes.
OK. What RayLopez99 missed out was the fact you were _using_ the NTFS
filesystem on Linux. That makes things very different. :-)
> That's not a corruption as such. It's a common sense issue,
> as participants have noted.
> I'm not 100% positive about what percentage of NTFS features
> are in the NTFS driver. I've heard there is no equivalent
> of CHKDSK in the Linux NTFS driver, and a corollary to that,
> is the journal may not be used.
NTFS is more than read-only on Linux, but doesn't have full write
capability. Quoting from the NTFS documentation from a recent Linux
kernel:
The biggest limitation at present is that files/directories
cannot be created or deleted.
....
The driver currently supports read-only mode (with no
fault-tolerance, encryption or journalling) and very limited,
but safe, write support.
This is a bit vague on what write operations do with journalling. I
would guess that if the journal isn't being read, it's not written
either. If the journal is "dirty" when the NTFS is mounted on Linux, and
Linux writes to it, the journal will no longer match the state the files
are in. Maybe. But you probably know all about these things anyway.
Full details are meant to be at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/, but that site
seems to have been purloined by a company.
> So it's really a detailed question of how Linux handles the
> NTFS journal, and whether moving back and forth between
> OSes is perfectly transparent. Under normal circumstances,
> as tested here, it works well. But I haven't gone out of
> my way to test corner conditions (such as shoving a "dirty"
> file system into a Linux system).
We can safely leave that to RayLopez99.
> Now, if I was stupid enough to turn off the power on my
> Windows PC, my next move would not be booting a Linux LiveCD.
> I would reboot into Windows and make sure everything was
> clean, before doing anything else. I have enough questions
> about journal handling, not to do that. The only time I'm
> going to be booting a Linux LiveCD, is when Windows has shut
> down cleanly.
I would certainly do that, too, if I were moving between Windows and
Linux.
[....]
> I've also not experienced any issues with FAT32, and
> since that is not a journaled file system, it is even
> more exposed than NTFS.
FAT32 is fully supported by Linux (it's called "vfat" here). I've
recovered FAT32 systems on USB-sticks after accidentally pulling them out
in the middle of a write operation. :-(
> And again, I wouldn't purposely create a "dirty" shutdown, by powering
> off the Windows PC in mid-session, and then booting Linux to look at
> the FAT32 partition afterwards. I'd boot Windows first, make sure
> everything is clean, reboot, and use my Linux LiveCD. Even Windows is
> not guaranteed to recover FAT32, if you go around powering off the PC
> in mid-session. Eventually, you'll have a problem, sooner or later.
> FAT32 is not bulletproof.
No, indeed not.
> Paul
Alan Mackenzie
>> In comp.os.linux.setup RayLopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Jul 3, 5:33?pm, Norman Peelman <npeel...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> On 07/03/2011 06:39 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
>> >> >>> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire
>> >> >>> story.
>> >> > It was Windows XP, and the Live CD was I believe Mint. ?And yes it
>> >> > happened--twice in fact. ?I figured out it was Linux only after the
>> >> > second time.
>> Not sure how you work out that it's Linux. ?Just because Windows can't
>> recover from a deliberately induced error condition? ?I suggest you try
>> the same thing with a Live CD from a non-Linux OS. ?;-)
>> >> > RL
>> >> ? ?It was -you- not shutting down your system properly.
>> > That's correct: ?I did do a 'hard reboot' by turning off the power.
>> > But it's the fault of the Linux CD to corrupt my XP HD such that it
>> > failed in the way it did.
>> o - Linux booted from a live CD doesn't know which HDD partition is /.
>> o - Therefore this Linux cannot find /etc/fstab.
>> o - Therefore the Linux could only mount filesystems, (including the NTFS
>> ? ones), at random mount points, something it definitely won't be doing.
>> o - Therefore the Linux cannot write to a HDD partition.
>> o - In particular, the Linux can't alter the Journal on an NTFS partition.
>> The only exception to the above would be a malicious CD. ?Are you
>> suggesting your Mint CD was malicious?
>> > Linux is very temperamental when it comes to recovering after a hard
>> > reboot, as evidenced by the above.
>> As proven by me above, the Linux Live CD isn't the problem.
>> My Linux boxes have never had a corrupt filesystem after an inopportune
>> hard reboot, at least, not one which wasn't trivially fixable.
> I was using a Windows XP OS pc, not a Linux, and with this Windows PC
> was using a LiveCD, I think Mint. Then I did a hard reboot (turned
> off the power--if memory serves I was trying to kill the KDE but could
> not). Then, without the Linux CD, my Windows XP refused to load until
> I used chkdsk from an external CD to fix the corrupted HD--corrupted
> by Linux.
> GOT IT NOW?
Yes, I got it right at the start. Quite frankly, I just don't believe
you. If it was just once, well coincidences happen. But twice? Sorry,
but no.
JeffM
Paul wrote:
>[...]Even Windows is not guaranteed to recover[...]
>
Windoze isn't guaranteed by its vendor to do *anything*.
Read the EULA: A list of preemptive excuses for its failure.
>I'm not 100% positive about
>what percentage of NTFS features are in [Linux's] NTFS driver.
>
No one is; M$ won't publish specifications for their junk.
(For them it would be an embarrassing read, I'm quite sure.)
>FAT32 is not bulletproof.
>
Name *anything* that M$ makes that even comes close.
Krypsis
> On Jul 3, 6:22 pm, William Poaster<w...@induh-vidual.net> wrote:
>> In reply to Norman Peelman who posted:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 07/03/2011 06:39 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>>> On Jul 3, 1:26 pm, Norman Peelman<npeel...@cfl.rr.com> wrote
>>
>>
>>>>> Because there�s nothing honest about it.
>>
>>>>> --
>>
>>>> Liar. Have to resort to lies to make your case eh Norm Pee-man?
>>
>>>> It was Windows XP, and the Live CD was I believe Mint. And yes it
>>>> happened--twice in fact. I figured out it was Linux only after the
>>>> second time.
>>
>>>> RL
>>
>>> It was -you- not shutting down your system properly.
>>
>> The incompetent Dopez99 showing his ineptness again.
>>
>> in 1999 is only 12 years old....although i know some 12 year olds smarter
>> than he is.
>
> "Please don't feed the troll" isn't that what you usually post for me?
>
> Idiot.
>
> Linux user, it figures.
>
> RL
I use both Linux (LiveCD & Installed) and Windoze. Never had Linux pooch
a filesystem but had Windoze do it many times.
Krypsis
Aragorn
> Hi, Paul.
>
> Good to see you in the thread at comp.os.linux.setup. :-)
>
> In comp.os.linux.setup Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not 100% positive about what percentage of NTFS features
>> are in the NTFS driver. I've heard there is no equivalent
>> of CHKDSK in the Linux NTFS driver, and a corollary to that,
>> is the journal may not be used.
>
> NTFS is more than read-only on Linux, but doesn't have full write
> capability. Quoting from the NTFS documentation from a recent Linux
> kernel:
>
> The biggest limitation at present is that files/directories
> cannot be created or deleted.
>
> ....
>
> The driver currently supports read-only mode (with no
> fault-tolerance, encryption or journalling) and very limited,
> but safe, write support.
These days, most distributions ship with FUSE - because it allows for
much more than just access to Windows filesystems - /and/ also with the
ntfs-3g driver, to be used with FUSE.
Disclaimer: I don't do Windows, nor any of its filesystems if I can help
it. Therefore, I also do not know whether ntfs-3g supports journalling
or encryption, but I presume that it does. For this particular
occasion, Google is probably your friend. Or Wikipedia for that matter.
If I were really interested in the matter, then I probably would have
looked up on it myself. Given however that this is a troll thread
originating from the mother of all sewers - i.e. comp.os.linux.advocacy
- and by a notorious, mentally ill and self-admitted troll with an
irrational urge to pester GNU/Linux users with his drivel over and over
and over again - i.e. RayLopez99 - I don't care much for looking up on
any technical information or documentation with regard to stuff I don't
even use, as there is simply no point to it.
Whatever arguments are brought up to the RayLopez99 troll and his ilk
from C.O.L.A. is all just casting pearls before the swine - and by this
statement, I am actually insulting the swine. The C.O.L.A. trolls don't
listen to reason, dismiss all documented evidence and repeatingly tout
the same retarded and outdated statistics about GNU/Linux adoption;
statistics which have also already been proven wrong anyway - insofar
any statistics would actually be truthful to begin with, but that's
another matter.
"Statistics are commonly used like a drunken man uses a lamp
post, i.e. for support, rather than illumination."
-- unknown
These guys are not here to make a case against GNU/Linux, because
technically, there isn't one. They are Windows and (to a lesser degree)
MacIntosh zealots who fear that GNU/Linux might one day become so
popular that they could be forced to use it themselves, thereby
confronting them with their own incompetence. And that in itself is
already evidential of stupidity, because GNU/Linux and all other Free &
Open Source Software are about "freedom", not about "free beer". One is
free to use it or to not use it, unlike with Microsoft Windows, which
gets shoved down the throats of all unsuspecting new computer buyers
because the license is included in the price of the computer and the
machine comes preinstalled with that junk.
And when it comes to incompetence, RayLopez99 is the leader of the pack.
The self-proclaimed multi-millionaire [1] with an even so self-
proclaimed IQ of 150 [2] who buys pirated Windows CDs at 5 cents USD and
then probably has other people install them since he's clearly too thick
to pour water out of a boot with the instructions printed on the heel.
Trust me, we've all tried to help him in his "honest endeavor" to
install GNU/Linux. I ended up killfiling him.
The guy is a walking disaster, not to mention a proven and self-admitted
liar. About a year ago or so, he allegedly wanted to try out Ubuntu, a
distribution so dumbed down that even a foetus could install (and use)
it without any problems, but of course, RayLopez99 wouldn't be who he is
if he didn't run into any problems. We had to babytalk him through it,
and then he still kept on failing miserably, not to mention that he also
kept on moving the goalposts. Eventually, the machine he was going to
install it on turned out to be a 12-year old Pentium II with 32 MB of
RAM or something - I don't remember the details anymore, but it was
something to that effect.
There is nothing to gain from engaging in any advocacy debate with any
of the Microsoft fanboys in comp.os.linux.advocacy. They're not even
interested in advocacy. They're just mentally ill bullies, that's all.
My advice to you is to killfile the idiot(s) and get on with your life.
[1] I wonder in what currency. There are countries out in the world
where owning 100 Euro (or about 145 US Dollar by today's exchange
rate) already makes one a multi-millionaire.
[2] I wonder by what official rating that may have been. He has also
already said that it was 130 (and 135), which is far more plausible,
if it is a US American IQ score - and RayLopez99 /is/ a US American
- because in order to derive the European WAIS IQ score from that,
you have to subtract about 15 points. So that makes his IQ by
the internationally acknowledged European WAIS standards about 115.
If he really /is/ that smart. His claim that "Serious Work" (tm)
can only be conducted in Microsoft Office certainly doesn't sound
like a statement coming from someone with an IQ comprised of three
digits. Not even in US American IQ score. And his use of language
fully agrees with that.
[Follow-up header set to comp.os.linux.setup.]
Aragorn
> In a thread massively cross-posted by a WinTroll,
The day Microsoft comes up with something that doesn't suck is the day
they start making vacuum cleaners. ;-)
Alan Mackenzie
>>FAT32 is not bulletproof.
> Name *anything* that M$ makes that even comes close.
Minesweeper?
Hadron
> "Statistics are commonly used like a drunken man uses a lamp
> post, i.e. for support, rather than illumination."
> -- unknown
What a ridiculous statement. But typical of you you and your big
head. No one else can use stats eh?
Of course some idiots cant. Willy Poaster or Telnet Porterfor example who claim
ridiculous Linux penetration based on visits to a Linux only resource
web site.
>
> These guys are not here to make a case against GNU/Linux, because
> technically, there isn't one.
Yes there IS. And if you stopped waffling on and boring the hole of
everyone you might realise it.
The technical reasons are:
Not comaptible enough with modern HW for many.
Too many distros confuse the potential adopter.
Releases frequently shoddy and unsupported.
Doesn't run the SOFTWARE people have invested in already (Windows lock
in if you like).
Doesnt run any decent audio apps.
Doesnt support things like Rosetta Stone
Not good for games
Frequently have to go to the command line (many people wont).
Doesnt support iTunes
Doesnt support smart phone sync programs (not even android)
Doesnt have plugins for development IDEs such as the Blackberry noe for
eclipse.
There are many plusses for Linux of course.
Not I purposely didnt mention Windows above. These are reasons WHY
people dont want Linux. Address them and its usage MIGHT increase.
RayLopez99
> Aragorn <stry...@telenet.be.invalid> writes:
>
> > These guys are not here to make a case against GNU/Linux, because
> > technically, there isn't one.
>
> Yes there IS. And if you stopped waffling on and boring the hole of
> everyone you might realise it.
>
> The technical reasons are:
>
> Not comaptible enough with modern HW for many.
> Too many distros confuse the potential adopter.
> Releases frequently shoddy and unsupported.
> Doesn't run the SOFTWARE people have invested in already (Windows lock
> in if you like).
> Doesnt run any decent audio apps.
> Doesnt support things like Rosetta Stone
> Not good for games
> Frequently have to go to the command line (many people wont).
> Doesnt support iTunes
> Doesnt support smart phone sync programs (not even android)
> Doesnt have plugins for development IDEs such as the Blackberry noe for
> eclipse.
>
> There are many plusses for Linux of course.
>
> Not I purposely didnt mention Windows above. These are reasons WHY
> people dont want Linux. Address them and its usage MIGHT increase.
Bravo Hadron. You are the one and only honest Linux user that I know
of.
RL
RayLopez99
> If I were really interested in the matter, then I probably would have
> looked up on it myself. Given however that this is a troll thread
> originating from the mother of all sewers - i.e. comp.os.linux.advocacy
> - and by a notorious, mentally ill and self-admitted troll with an
> irrational urge to pester GNU/Linux users with his drivel over and over
> and over again - i.e. RayLopez99 - I don't care much for looking up on
> any technical information or documentation with regard to stuff I don't
> even use, as there is simply no point to it.
Look who is talking--a self confessed mentally ill person who has,
among other maladies, a disorder known as autism.
>
> Whatever arguments are brought up to the RayLopez99 troll and his ilk
> from C.O.L.A. is all just casting pearls before the swine - and by this
> statement, I am actually insulting the swine. The C.O.L.A. trolls don't
> listen to reason, dismiss all documented evidence and repeatingly tout
> the same retarded and outdated statistics about GNU/Linux adoption;
> statistics which have also already been proven wrong anyway - insofar
> any statistics would actually be truthful to begin with, but that's
> another matter.
What's another matter? Linux's 1% market share? That's the ENTIRE
matter, retard!
>
> "Statistics are commonly used like a drunken man uses a lamp
> post, i.e. for support, rather than illumination."
> -- unknown
>
> These guys are not here to make a case against GNU/Linux, because
> technically, there isn't one. They are Windows and (to a lesser degree)
> MacIntosh zealots who fear that GNU/Linux might one day become so
> popular that they could be forced to use it themselves, thereby
> confronting them with their own incompetence. And that in itself is
> already evidential of stupidity, because GNU/Linux and all other Free &
> Open Source Software are about "freedom", not about "free beer". One is
> free to use it or to not use it, unlike with Microsoft Windows, which
> gets shoved down the throats of all unsuspecting new computer buyers
> because the license is included in the price of the computer and the
> machine comes preinstalled with that junk.
This thread belongs in COLA not COLS, shiitehead! You are now
advocating way beyond the topic of this thread.
>
> And when it comes to incompetence, RayLopez99 is the leader of the pack.
> The self-proclaimed multi-millionaire [1] with an even so self-
> proclaimed IQ of 150 [2] who buys pirated Windows CDs at 5 cents USD and
> then probably has other people install them since he's clearly too thick
> to pour water out of a boot with the instructions printed on the heel.
> Trust me, we've all tried to help him in his "honest endeavor" to
> install GNU/Linux. I ended up killfiling him.
Who cares. My IQ is 150+, never 130 as yours is, retard. And my
millions are in dollars, not the sinking euro, Eurofag.
>
> The guy is a walking disaster, not to mention a proven and self-admitted
> liar. About a year ago or so, he allegedly wanted to try out Ubuntu, a
> distribution so dumbed down that even a foetus could install (and use)
> it without any problems, but of course, RayLopez99 wouldn't be who he is
> if he didn't run into any problems. We had to babytalk him through it,
> and then he still kept on failing miserably, not to mention that he also
> kept on moving the goalposts. Eventually, the machine he was going to
> install it on turned out to be a 12-year old Pentium II with 32 MB of
> RAM or something - I don't remember the details anymore, but it was
> something to that effect.
Right. And the point was this old machine--which I recently tossed--
ran Windows 2000 fine but NOT ONE DISTRO SAVE DSL and (I think it was)
Mint ran on it--finally I got Linux loaded on it, after the third or
fourth try, and even posted a message from inside Linux using
Firefox. But I had to practically pull my hair out to get Linux to
work on it, unlike with Windows 2000.
> [Follow-up header set to comp.os.linux.setup.]
Why? this is a COLA topic, retard
>
> --
> Araporn
> (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
Got that right, Araporn.
RL
Chris Ahlstrom
>>> On 07/03/2011 06:39 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>> <pfft>
>>
> I think he is about 14.. from the language, which features 'dog poo' and
> 'retard' a lot.
The troll is simply trying to see how long he can jerk your chain while
distracting from the "linux setup" goal of this ng.
--
<KnaraKat> Bite me.
* TheOne gets some salt, then proceeds to nibble on KnaraKat a little
bit....
Big Steel
<snipped>
<yawn>
You are a joke Jeff Maniac.
David Brown
>
> Who cares. My IQ is 150+, never 130 as yours is, retard. And my
> millions are in dollars, not the sinking euro, Eurofag.
>
Ray, you will /never/ convince people you have a three-digit IQ, or a
four-digit bank balance, with statements like this. Don't you realise
that a Euro is worth more than an USD - nearly 50% more? A dollar
million is currently only worth about �690K. And while the economy in
the EU has its challenges (such as Greece, at the moment), the USD is
sinking faster and has been for longer. It's not hard to look up the rates:
Peter Köhlmann
> On 04/07/2011 00:37, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>> Who cares. My IQ is 150+, never 130 as yours is, retard. And my
>> millions are in dollars, not the sinking euro, Eurofag.
>>
>
> Ray, you will /never/ convince people you have a three-digit IQ,
He will never convince anyone of a room-temperature IQ (measured in Celsius,
naturally)
> or a four-digit bank balance,
He is a broke parking lot sweeper, who lost his job due to total
incompetence
RayLopez99
wrote:
> On 04/07/2011 00:37, RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>
>
> > Who cares. My IQ is 150+, never 130 as yours is, retard. And my
> > millions are in dollars, not the sinking euro, Eurofag.
>
> Ray, you will /never/ convince people you have a three-digit IQ, or a
> four-digit bank balance, with statements like this. Don't you realise
> that a Euro is worth more than an USD - nearly 50% more? A dollar
> the EU has its challenges (such as Greece, at the moment), the USD is
> sinking faster and has been for longer. It's not hard to look up the rates:
>
> <http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=EUR&view=1Y>
I said "sinking" euro, fag. The euro will soon see parity IMO and
then less than parity to the dollar.
Happy Fourth of July to you too, Brit.
RL
William Poaster
> David Brown wrote:
>
>> On 04/07/2011 00:37, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>>
>>> Who cares. My IQ is 150+, never 130 as yours is, retard. And my
>>> millions are in dollars, not the sinking euro, Eurofag.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
>> Ray, you will /never/ convince people you have a three-digit IQ,
>
> He will never convince anyone of a room-temperature IQ (measured in Celsius,
> naturally)
I didn't christen the moronic troll "Dopez99" for nothing. :-)
>> or a four-digit bank balance,
>
> He is a broke parking lot sweeper, who lost his job due to total
> incompetence
+1
--
"!sgub evah t'nseod CP sihT ?sgub naem ayaddahW"
Jean-David Beyer
Taking a longer view, under President Eisenhower, $35 would buy you an
ounce of gold. Now it takes $1482.25 to get an ounce of gold. Now the
value of gold does not really change much; it is about as useful now as
it was then. Mostly ornamentation, some tooth fillings, and trusted by
some more than they trust paper money. So the perceived value of a US
dollar has dropped to about 2.36% of what it was then.
In the mid 1960s, a friend of mine said I should join MENSA so I could
find a girlfriend smart enough to understand me and smart enough to
interest me. I was desperate enough at the time to take their test, and
I was astounded at how high it was. But after going to a few meetings I
decided not to join. There is a lot more to relationships than
discussing how smart we all were, and the people there were as crazy as
I was, though in different ways. I assume my IQ has gone down since then
because I have had 3 wisdom teeth extracted, but all that seems to
measure is how well you do on a restricted class of multiple choice
tests. And who cares about that, really? Mine was high enough to get me
into two prestigious universities. I went to one of them and flunked out
in a couple of years. So IQ was not even a good indicator of how I might
do in a situation of allegedly higher education. It was not enough to
get me millions of dollars in a savings account either, but as the
dollar continues to fall in value, that becomes less important too. When
my employer was letting large numbers of people to retire early, I tried
to figure out if I had enough to retire on. Based on a lot of
assumptions, I decided to risk it. I wondered about getting another job
and making more money. Because I did not really feel secure financially.
But after thinking about it, I realized that even if I doubled my money,
I would not feel any more secure. I would rather have the time than the
money.
I doubt anyone on their death bed ever lamented that he should have
spent more time at the office.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
^^-^^ 08:10:01 up 5 days, 10:57, 3 users, load average: 4.34, 4.67, 4.79
David Brown
> On Jul 4, 10:54 am, David Brown<da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
> wrote:
>> On 04/07/2011 00:37, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Who cares. My IQ is 150+, never 130 as yours is, retard. And my
>>> millions are in dollars, not the sinking euro, Eurofag.
>>
>> Ray, you will /never/ convince people you have a three-digit IQ, or a
>> four-digit bank balance, with statements like this. Don't you realise
>> that a Euro is worth more than an USD - nearly 50% more? A dollar
>> the EU has its challenges (such as Greece, at the moment), the USD is
>> sinking faster and has been for longer. It's not hard to look up the rates:
>>
>> <http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=EUR&view=1Y>
>
> I said "sinking" euro, fag. The euro will soon see parity IMO and
> then less than parity to the dollar.
>
You will forgive us if we don't base our economic investments on your
"humble" opinion. If you were to predict that the sun would rise
tomorrow, I'd be sceptical.
Oh, and why do keep calling people cigarettes? I suppose there are
other interpretations of "fag", but none that I know of make any more
sense when you misuse the word.
> Happy Fourth of July to you too, Brit.
>
Enjoy your fireworks. And take the opportunity to think about what your
county's founders stood for, and the original principles behind the USA.
If the US could take a few steps back in that direction, it would be a
happy 4th of July for many people.
RayLopez99
> I doubt anyone on their death bed ever lamented that he should have
> spent more time at the office.
>
> --
> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
> /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
> /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
> ^^-^^ 08:10:01 up 5 days, 10:57, 3 users, load average: 4.34, 4.67, 4.79
Seems you are a very smart fellow, or is that a fart smell-or, Jean.
So what's a bright person like you doing with an OS like Linux? Do
you enjoy tinkering with your PC in your spare time? Is that what
you'll remember on your death bed?
RL
Larry Blanchard
> Enjoy your fireworks. And take the opportunity to think about what your
> county's founders stood for, and the original principles behind the USA.
> If the US could take a few steps back in that direction, it would be a
> happy 4th of July for many people.
Unfortunately, when some people talk about "a few steps back" they mean
back to the days of unfettered robber barons. Of course in many ways
we're back there already.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
Homer
> On 04/07/2011 12:50, RayLopez99 wrote:
>> I said "sinking" euro, fag. The euro will soon see parity IMO and
>> then less than parity to the dollar.
>
> You will forgive us if we don't base our economic investments on your
> "humble" opinion. If you were to predict that the sun would rise
> tomorrow, I'd be sceptical.
>
> Oh, and why do keep calling people cigarettes? I suppose there are
> other interpretations of "fag", but none that I know of make any more
> sense when you misuse the word.
Well he could be talking about a bundle of sticks, I suppose, or a (sort
of) British meatball in a rich onion gravy, but usually they don't post
to Usenet very often. Neither do cigarettes, for that matter, so that
just leaves a junior public schoolboy who acts as a message boy or
servant for a senior (which is possibly the origin of the American
idiom, as in to be somebody's bitch). This was subsequently interpreted
as effeminate or homosexual, as an insult used by homophobes, bigots in
general, and those who lack the intelligence to defend their arguments
with reasoned discourse, such as the "self-made millionaire" who can't
do simple maths, Ray Lopez.
--
K. | "The poor have flat-screen TVs."
http://slated.org | ~ Libertarian propagandist Keith
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on šky | Curtis, explaining why he thinks
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 42 days | we shouldn't tax the rich.
David Brown
> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:22:28 +0200, David Brown wrote:
>
>> Enjoy your fireworks. And take the opportunity to think about what your
>> county's founders stood for, and the original principles behind the USA.
>> If the US could take a few steps back in that direction, it would be a
>> happy 4th of July for many people.
>
> Unfortunately, when some people talk about "a few steps back" they mean
> back to the days of unfettered robber barons. Of course in many ways
> we're back there already.
>
No, I don't think that's what they mean (it's certainly not what /I/
mean). If you are trying to say that the "good old days" were not all
good, and that some things have improved, then I fully agree with you.
But I'm sure most people - Americans or not - can find examples of where
the USA has strayed from its original principles. (Note that I'm not
claiming that any other country is better or worse - it's just that the
USA was founded on strong moral and ethic principles, and the
anniversary of its independence is a good day to reflect on how it lives
up to those aims.)
David Brown
> Verily I say unto thee, that David Brown spake thusly:
>> On 04/07/2011 12:50, RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>>> I said "sinking" euro, fag. The euro will soon see parity IMO and
>>> then less than parity to the dollar.
>>
>> You will forgive us if we don't base our economic investments on your
>> "humble" opinion. If you were to predict that the sun would rise
>> tomorrow, I'd be sceptical.
>>
>> Oh, and why do keep calling people cigarettes? I suppose there are
>> other interpretations of "fag", but none that I know of make any more
>> sense when you misuse the word.
>
> Well he could be talking about a bundle of sticks, I suppose, or a (sort
> of) British meatball in a rich onion gravy, but usually they don't post
> to Usenet very often. Neither do cigarettes, for that matter, so that
> just leaves a junior public schoolboy who acts as a message boy or
> servant for a senior (which is possibly the origin of the American
> idiom, as in to be somebody's bitch). This was subsequently interpreted
> as effeminate or homosexual, as an insult used by homophobes, bigots in
> general, and those who lack the intelligence to defend their arguments
> with reasoned discourse, such as the "self-made millionaire" who can't
> do simple maths, Ray Lopez.
>
I suspect it's the later use he is meaning. Of course, it's no more
appropriate than any other uses - it is a total non-sequitor, and I
can't understand how it could interpreted as an insult.
Ray, stick to calling people "retard". It's usually wrong, but at least
it makes sense of sorts.
Norman Peelman
> On Jul 3, 5:33 pm, Norman Peelman<npeel...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> On 07/03/2011 06:39 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
>>
>>
>>>> --
>>
>>> Liar. Have to resort to lies to make your case eh Norm Pee-man?
>>
>>> It was Windows XP, and the Live CD was I believe Mint. And yes it
>>> happened--twice in fact. I figured out it was Linux only after the
>>> second time.
>>
>>> RL
>>
>> It was -you- not shutting down your system properly.
>>
>
> But it's the fault of the Linux CD to corrupt my XP HD such that it
> to recovering after a hard reboot, as evidenced by the above.
>
Running a LiveCD does not constitute 'recovering after a hard reboot'.
--
Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 8.04 64bit
RayLopez99
wrote:
>
> I suspect it's the later use he is meaning. Of course, it's no more
> appropriate than any other uses - it is a total non-sequitor, and I
> can't understand how it could interpreted as an insult.
>
> Ray, stick to calling people "retard". It's usually wrong, but at least
> it makes sense of sorts.
That's strange: insulting somebody's intelligence 'makes sense' to
you, a putative libertarian with high morals, yet insulting somebody's
sexual orientation does not.
I think you fucking queer, that's what I think. Something wrong with
your hypothalamus, it's not well developed. Explains your Linux use
too.
RL
RayLopez99
>
> >> It was -you- not shutting down your system properly.
>
> > That's correct: I did do a 'hard reboot' by turning off the power.
> > But it's the fault of the Linux CD to corrupt my XP HD such that it
> > failed in the way it did. Linux is very temperamental when it comes
> > to recovering after a hard reboot, as evidenced by the above.
>
> > RL
>
> Running a LiveCD does not constitute 'recovering after a hard reboot'.
>
>
You still don't get it. I'll try once more: No problems with XP.
Then run Linux LiveCD. Then exit LiveCD improperly, by shutting off
power. Then on reboot, without LInuxCD, XP will not load. So I had
to use Bart PE (built supposedly on Linux LiveCD, from what I recall)
to do 'chkdsk' and fix the XP NT HD. Get it now?
RL
Mike Easter
RayLopez99 wrote:
> You still don't get it. I'll try once more:
However many times you try, you are mistaken in your analysis of some
problem you had.
> No problems with XP. Then run Linux LiveCD. Then exit LiveCD
> improperly, by shutting off power.
Running a linux live CD and shutting off power does not alter anything
about the hdd.
> Then on reboot, without LInuxCD, XP will not load.
Whatever problem you had was not caused by using a live CD as a live CD.
Perhaps you made a mistake and started an installation before you shut down.
> So I had to use Bart PE (built supposedly on Linux LiveCD, from what
> I recall) to do 'chkdsk' and fix the XP NT HD. Get it now?
If you did something wrong that interfered with booting XP, it wasn't
because of using a live CD as a live CD.
--
Mike Easter
Norman Peelman
The LiveCD doesn't mount your physical hd unless you tell it to do
so, ie: Clicking on the hd icon and fooling around with the hd filesystem.
Aragorn
> On 04/07/2011 00:37, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>> Who cares. My IQ is 150+, never 130 as yours is, retard. And my
>> millions are in dollars, not the sinking euro, Eurofag.
>
> Ray, you will /never/ convince people you have a three-digit IQ, [...]
And I have never said that my IQ was 130 either - it's actually quite a
lot higher, but I have never said /how/ high. So RayLopez99 is making
stuff up again. Quelle surprise!
So... Let's see...
° RayLopez99 is a (repeatedly) self-admitted troll.
° RayLopez99 is a known and proven liar, and will on occasion
even admit that he is or was lying.
° RayLopez99 cannot be taught anything, because he is simply
too dumb and too thick, and this has been empirically shown
here on comp.os.linux.setup, when he allegedly attempted to
install GNU/Linux on some machine and was given literal
instructions which he could not carry out.
° RayLopez99 claims to have an IQ of over 150, which is
contradicted by every statement he makes and everything he
does, not to mention the lack of sophistication in his
own mother tongue.
° RayLopez99 is a fanatic proponent of proprietary software
in general, and Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office in
particular. He also claims to be a multimillionaire. Yet,
instead of legally acquiring licenses for the proprietary
software he so vehemently advocates - which should of course
not be any problem for a multimillionaire - he buys pirated
Windows and Office CDs, directly violating his alleged
support for proprietary software.
° RayLopez99 is such a computer expert and is so rich that
he cannot even use a proper news service and a proper
newsreader, so that he has to post through Google Groups
instead.
Now, is there *anyone* in the world, *anyone* at all, who still believes
a *single* word RayLopez99 says?
[alt.motherofall.sewers removed from crosspost.]
Grinder
> ... So I had to use Bart PE (built supposedly on
> Linux LiveCD, from what I recall)
I suspect this is not the case. BartPE models the WindowPE, and in fact
needs a Windows installation CD to create its bootable volume. I
suppose it's possible that some of the boot sector stuff is of linux
origin, but that's short of being "built supposedly on a Linux LiveCD."
Aragorn
> On 04/07/2011 12:50, RayLopez99 wrote:
>> On Jul 4, 10:54 am, David Brown<da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 04/07/2011 00:37, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Who cares. My IQ is 150+, never 130 as yours is, retard. And my
>>>> millions are in dollars, not the sinking euro, Eurofag.
>>>
>>> Ray, you will /never/ convince people you have a three-digit IQ, or
>>> a four-digit bank balance, with statements like this. Don't you
>>> realise
>>> that a Euro is worth more than an USD - nearly 50% more? A dollar
>>> million is currently only worth about €690K. And while the economy
>>> in the EU has its challenges (such as Greece, at the moment), the
>>> USD is sinking faster and has been for longer. It's not hard to
>>> look up the rates:
>>>
>>> <http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=EUR&view=1Y>
>>
>> I said "sinking" euro, fag. The euro will soon see parity IMO and
>> then less than parity to the dollar.
>
> You will forgive us if we don't base our economic investments on your
> "humble" opinion. If you were to predict that the sun would rise
> tomorrow, I'd be sceptical.
<grin>
> Oh, and why do keep calling people cigarettes? I suppose there are
> other interpretations of "fag", but none that I know of make any more
> sense when you misuse the word.
In US American English, the word "fag" is a slang for a homosexual male.
Attempting to insult someone by suggesting that they would be homosexual
is a sign of mental immaturity, a schoolyard bully psychopathy and a
very low level of education, both parental and in terms of educational
facilities. For that matter, RayLopez99 is also a known racist, but
then again, most of those Windows zealots in comp.os.linux.advocacy are,
so he's no exception to the rule.
Oh, and just for the record, I'm a happily heterosexual male, thank you
very much. But quite frankly, I have my doubts as to whether that would
also be the case for RayLopez99 himself. His obsession with
homosexuality seems to suggest otherwise, and it is not uncommon for so-
called closet homosexuals to assume that all other males would be closet
homosexuals as well.
But then again, RayLopez99 has also already attempted to insult me by
attributing me with schizophrenia and other mental illnesses, whereas I
am actually a high-functioning autistic adult. Just like Albert
Einstein, of whom RayLopez99 claims that his own IQ is higher. And here
too, RayLopez99 himself actually exhibits far more signs of mental
illness than I would be.
>> Happy Fourth of July to you too, Brit.
And once again, RayLopez99 is utterly wrong, because I'm not a Brit, nor
have I ever claimed that I was. I actually consistently use North
American spelling and I naturally speak English with a (reportedly)
flawless North American accent, albeit that I can mimic other accents if
I want to.
Apparently RayLopez99 cannot tell the United Kingdom from the European
Union, mental illnesses from a neurological condition, retardation from
intellectuality, or gay from straight.
I can only surmise that his soul, if he has one, has chosen to incarnate
so as to learn a lot of lessons here on Earth - in which case he would
be quite far behind on schedule, but anyway - because he certainly isn't
of any value to the human species in general. I know eight-year olds
who exhibit more intelligence than this character.
Let us hope he never procreates. It would be a horrible curse for his
children to have to bear his genes within them and be deprived of any
evolution of their intelligence because of it.
JeffM
>>Bart PE (built supposedly on Linux LiveCD
>>
Grinder wrote:
>BartPE[...]needs a Windows installation CD
>to create its bootable volume.
>
...and if it was built from Linux,
you could move the CD from machine to machine
and **not** have it FAIL.
Trying to compare the two
is like trying to equate a kid's tricycle to a Formula 1 car.
Windoze / Windoze installs were **purposely** broken by M$
so that you couldn't pirate their 4th-rate crap.
...and screw you and your computing experience.
Bill Marcum
> On Jul 3, 6:02 pm, Aragorn <stry...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sunday 03 July 2011 14:36 in comp.os.linux.setup, William Poaster
>> enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>>
>>
>> >> In comp.os.linux.setup RayLopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > <snip>
>>
>> >> To be honest, I've some doubt about the veracity of the entire story.
>>
>> > advice.
>>
>> +100
>>
>> --
>> Aragorn
>> (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
>
> box.
>
> So stuff it retard.
>
> RL
I understand that this +1 meme is something to do with Google. I hope
they don't try to trademark it so you have to pay royalties to write
"+1" anywhere. With a Real Newsreader, you can score the author or
subject of an article from -9999 to +9999.
--
Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what the hell
happened.
Bob Martin
>On Jul 4, 10:54=A0am, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
>wrote:
>> On 04/07/2011 00:37, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > millions are in dollars, not the sinking euro, Eurofag.
>>
>> Ray, you will /never/ convince people you have a three-digit IQ, or a
>> that a Euro is worth more than an USD - nearly 50% more? =A0A dollar
>> million is currently only worth about =80690K. =A0And while the economy i=
>n
>> the EU has its challenges (such as Greece, at the moment), the USD is
>ates:
>>
>> <http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=3DUSD&to=3DEUR&view=3D1Y>
>
>I said "sinking" euro, fag. The euro will soon see parity IMO and
>then less than parity to the dollar.
I dare you to put money on that particular premise.
When the euro was introduced as a currency it was par with the dollar,
since when it has steadily bought more and more dollars.
David Brown
> On Jul 4, 8:50 pm, David Brown<david.br...@removethis.hesbynett.no>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I suspect it's the later use he is meaning. Of course, it's no more
>> appropriate than any other uses - it is a total non-sequitor, and I
>> can't understand how it could interpreted as an insult.
>>
>> Ray, stick to calling people "retard". It's usually wrong, but at least
>> it makes sense of sorts.
>
> That's strange: insulting somebody's intelligence 'makes sense' to
> you, a putative libertarian with high morals, yet insulting somebody's
> sexual orientation does not.
No - again, you fail to understand. Making comments about someone's
intelligence, or lack thereof, makes sense when they are apparently
doing or saying something stupid. That /can/ be appropriate or
justified in a discussion like this - people do say stupid things here.
But this is not a discussion about personal sexual orientation - no one
here has any way to judge or guess about other people. It would be like
my calling you "big nose" - how appropriate would that be? Clearly I
have no idea if your nose is big, small or indifferent - nor whether you
would feel insulted by my calling you "big nose". It simply wouldn't
make sense. And the same applies to any other personal characteristics.
>
> I think you fucking queer, that's what I think. Something wrong with
> your hypothalamus, it's not well developed. Explains your Linux use
> too.
>
By "queer", I assume you mean "odd" or "unusual", since you have good
grounds for suggesting that. I'm not sure what sort of bizarre twisted
"logic" would make you think you know about my sexual preferences, and I
have even less idea of why you would think it mattered here, or that I
would feel insulted by your comments. But if you are really going to
claim "only gays use Linux", then I think that says a great deal about
/you/.
David Brown
I think in this case Ray was referring to /me/, in which case he is
correct that I am British. I don't remember for sure, but it's fairly
likely that I've mentioned that in a post sometime - which demonstrates
that Ray is reading, understanding and remembering things from this
newsgroup. It makes it even sadder that he is failing to read,
understand or remember anything on-topic or answering the questions he
has asked himself.
William Poaster
Nope, & never have. It's why I nicknamed him "Dopez99".
--
Earth is 98% full...please delete anyone you can.
The Natural Philosopher
No.
I've finally got bored and plonked him.
He reminds me of someone I know..or knew. With luck I wont ever speak to
him again.
Someone asked my opinion of him. I found myself replying:
"In the three years I have known him, I have never ever known him tell
the truth, except by sheer accident"
The Natural Philosopher
I tell you what. Ever since I sold a truly awful book on ebay for a
ridiculous sum of money, by saying 'This book is really extremely bad,
made worse by the forced homosexual relationship of it's main
protagonist, only buy this if you are the only gay in the village' I
have realised that probaly on account of their childless state, there
are a lot of gay people out there with far too much money and almost no
sense.
To the point where a 'gay Linux' distro could probably be SOLD for
serious money.
Give the whole thing a studs and leather theme, with options for deep
purple and breathless banana styles, rename the apps to something
suggestive..su becomes FU, and home becomes a 'cottage' icon wise..
RayLopez99
>
> Let us hope he never procreates. It would be a horrible curse for his
> children to have to bear his genes within them and be deprived of any
> evolution of their intelligence because of it.
Well in your case you'll never procreate unless you find a woman (I
assume you're a man) willing to marry somebody that wears a helmet and
is prone to seizures. But if you look hard enough I guess you can
find somebody as disadvantaged as you. You also have statistics on
your side should you decide to have kids (and from your post above you
don't seem to know this fact): retards marrying and having kids only
produce retards about 25% of the time, not 100% of the time as you
wrongly suspect. So go to the half-way house this weekend and have a
go at finding Mrs. Aragorn.
RL
RayLopez99
wrote:
>
> To the point where a 'gay Linux' distro could probably be SOLD for
> serious money.
LMAO! This is the funniest thing I've read today. You really think a
"Gay Only" Linux would sell and make "serious money", when Linux has
less than 1% market share?
Good thing you killfiled me, since you won't be hearing the laughter
unless somebody responds to this.
I'll post as a new thread to make sure you see it
RL
David Brown
Lots of stuff gets sold on eBay for high prices because it is described
as being bad - people bid for them to see /how/ bad they really are. I
don't think there is any reason to suppose the buyer (or other bidders)
actually were gay (or any reason to suppose that they were /not/ gay).
If you had added "there are some pornographic doodles by a previous
owner" to the description, drawing the doodles yourself, you'd probably
have doubled the price.
> To the point where a 'gay Linux' distro could probably be SOLD for
> serious money.
>
> Give the whole thing a studs and leather theme, with options for deep
> purple and breathless banana styles, rename the apps to something
> suggestive..su becomes FU, and home becomes a 'cottage' icon wise..
>
I don't know you'd make "serious money" (unless you mean "serious money"
in the same way Ray interprets "serious work"...). But I'm sure you get
your followers - just like the Christian and Satanic themed versions of
Ubuntu.
David Brown
You've missed the point /again/. Aragorn is autistic - not retarded or
epileptic. His reference to a retard was about /you/, Ray.
RayLopez99
>
> I dare you to put money on that particular premise.
> When the euro was introduced as a currency it was par with the dollar,
> since when it has steadily bought more and more dollars.
Well you make a good point. I'm too chicken to play the currency
markets. But posting from Greece, I feel the Euro is doomed.
Probably a jump down from 1.5 to 0.8 when the PIIGS default is my
guess. The US, which uses bank credit less (and stock markets more)
should suffer less.
RL
Doug Freyburger
> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> Now, is there *anyone* in the world, *anyone* at all, who still believes
>> a *single* word RayLopez99 says?
>
Going through this thread I have just switched him from "!kill" to
"!ignore" so I will get less of this sort of discussion about him.
While I was ging through my kill file I upgraded a couple of other
trolls to "!ignore" status and cleared out my entries for a few loons
where I've been reading replies to them recently.
Alan Mackenzie
> On Jul 5, 9:10?am, Bob Martin <bob.mar...@excite.com> wrote:
>> I dare you to put money on that particular premise.
>> When the euro was introduced as a currency it was par with the dollar,
>> since when it has steadily bought more and more dollars.
> Well you make a good point. I'm too chicken to play the currency
> markets.
Very sensible.
> But posting from Greece, ....
Funny that. People posting from Greece don't normally have a -0700 time
zone.
> ...., I feel the Euro is doomed. Probably a jump down from 1.5 to 0.8
> when the PIIGS default is my guess. The US, which uses bank credit
> less (and stock markets more) should suffer less.
For what it's worth, I reckon the Euro will soon be disbanded, to its
participant countries' benefit. As for the USA dollar - with the
country's large deficit, surely its exchange rate must fall to meet its
value quite soon.
> RL
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
JEDIDIAH
> On 04/07/11 18:12, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:22:28 +0200, David Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Enjoy your fireworks. And take the opportunity to think about what your
>>> county's founders stood for, and the original principles behind the USA.
>>> If the US could take a few steps back in that direction, it would be a
>>> happy 4th of July for many people.
>>
>> Unfortunately, when some people talk about "a few steps back" they mean
>> back to the days of unfettered robber barons. Of course in many ways
>> we're back there already.
>>
>
> No, I don't think that's what they mean (it's certainly not what /I/
> mean). If you are trying to say that the "good old days" were not all
> good, and that some things have improved, then I fully agree with you.
> But I'm sure most people - Americans or not - can find examples of where
> the USA has strayed from its original principles. (Note that I'm not
...which if you bother to actually read them also allow for rampant
corporatism and the rise of robber barons. The founding fathers probably
could never imagine that their America could spawn the likes of the
British East India company. It probably did not occur to them that they
needed to guard against such things.
They only feared the King.
[deletia]
Whitewashing is really not necessary, nor in the "founding" spirit.
--
It's great to run an OS where you have to search Google |||
to find problems rather than experiencing them yourself. / | \
Aragorn
> On 05/07/2011 16:04, RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>> On Jul 5, 2:37 am, Aragorn<stry...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Let us hope he never procreates. It would be a horrible curse for
>>> his children to have to bear his genes within them and be deprived
>>> of any evolution of their intelligence because of it.
>>
>> Well in your case you'll never procreate unless you find a woman (I
>> assume you're a man) willing to marry somebody that wears a helmet
>> and is prone to seizures. But if you look hard enough I guess you
>> can find somebody as disadvantaged as you. You also have statistics
>> on your side should you decide to have kids (and from your post above
>> you don't seem to know this fact): retards marrying and having kids
>> only produce retards about 25% of the time, not 100% of the time as
>> you wrongly suspect. So go to the half-way house this weekend and
>> have a go at finding Mrs. Aragorn.
>
> You've missed the point /again/. Aragorn is autistic - not retarded
> or epileptic. His reference to a retard was about /you/, Ray.
You are correct, Sir, and on all accounts. I presume that RayLopez99
has read somewhere that epilepsy is related to autism, and there are
some doctors who believe that it might be. Myself, I'm not so sure of
that. And for the record, I myself am indeed not an epileptic, nor any
of the other things RayLopez99 has already slung at my head.
As for the helmet, the only time I ever wore one was while I was in the
army. We still had draft duty over here until 1994. I put in my 10
month service between December 1983 and September 1984.
Oh, and yes, my reference to retardation was indeed about RayLopez,
/including/ with regard to how liberally he accuses other people (whom
he has never even met) of being retards, gay, mentally ill or whatever
else, while he himself seems to unmistakenly exhibit worthiness of at
least more than a couple of those labels.
Or as I have read in someone's signature here on Usenet - I can't
remember whom it was, nor in what newsgroup...:
"Ignorance is a condition; stupidity is a way of life."
I'll gave you /three/ guesses as to which of those /two/ concepts
applies to RayLopez99, just so as to give you a statistical advantage.
;-)
Aragorn
> In reply to Aragorn who posted:
>
>> [...]
Well, I don't know whether you've intended the connotation or not, but
to me that associates him with drug addiction. (Perhaps there is some
other connotation/meaning to "dope", but to me that's what it means.)
Now, I can't say whether it would be correct in RayLopez99's case, but
quite frankly, given his whole behavior here and what he has so far
already revealed about himself in earlier troll posts, I wouldn't be
surprised if he were to regularly experiment with narcotics. It /would/
explain some of the apparent symptoms of braindamage he's exhibiting.
;-)
Aragorn
> When the euro was introduced as a currency it was par with the dollar,
> since when it has steadily bought more and more dollars.
Well, the first part of your sentence is not exactly correct.
When the Euro was introduced in 2001 and became the only official
European currency in 2002, the exchange rate to the US Dollar was
(roughly) about the same as it is now, but in reverse. 1 US Dollar
equalled about 1.3 Euro.
Today, and according to Google, 1 Euro equals 1.44 US Dollar. There was
a short fall in the exhange rate in favor of the US Dollar when the
financial crisis initially struck, but at present, things are back to
about the same exchange rates as shortly before the financial crisis, or
perhaps even slightly better in favor of the Euro.
Of course, there is nothing so fickle as a stock exchange, so I wouldn't
recommend punting to anyone. I got badly burned by my bank back in the
early 2000s, when they were pushing me to invest in their equities. I
lost a /lot/ of money that way in the financial crisis which followed
"9/11".
The whole financial-economic circus, to which the whole planet has
become a slave by now, is nothing more than a game. And like with a
game of chess, the players are not /on/ the board. Only the pieces are,
and the players are manipulating them however they see fit.
Once you realize that, you'll look at the world from a whole different
perspective.
Aragorn
> On 2011-07-03, RayLopez99 <raylo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 3, 6:02 pm, Aragorn <stry...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday 03 July 2011 14:36 in comp.os.linux.setup, William Poaster
>>> enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>>>
>>> > Not surprising. RayLopez99 is s known troll. Bin it & move on, is
>>> > my advice.
>>>
>>> +100
>>
>> Shiite head you can only "+1", not 100, unless you stuff the ballot
>> box.
>>
>> So stuff it retard.
>
> I understand that this +1 meme is something to do with Google. I hope
> they don't try to trademark it so you have to pay royalties to write
> "+1" anywhere. With a Real Newsreader, you can score the author or
> subject of an article from -9999 to +9999.
No, the "+1" underneath a quote generally means "I second your opinion".
Usually, if someone else also agrees without that he wants to add any
comments of his own, he'll then go "+2", and so on.
In this case, I wrote "+100" so as to say "I agree with you a hundred-
fold". Apparently RayLopez felt that this was incorrect use of "the
code" and spouted some kindergarten-like objections to that, along with
the accusation of retardation towards me, which he liberally attributes
everyone with who doesn't believe his lies.
I'm surprised that he didn't write "I'm gonna tell the teacher about
you!"
;-)
William Poaster
The word "dope" is used in that sense, I agree, but it is *also* used to
mean: A dumbell, dummy, booby, pinhead - meaning an ignorant, foolish
person....which IMO is what he is, hence "Dopez99".
> Now, I can't say whether it would be correct in RayLopez99's case, but
> quite frankly, given his whole behavior here and what he has so far
> already revealed about himself in earlier troll posts, I wouldn't be
> surprised if he were to regularly experiment with narcotics. It /would/
> explain some of the apparent symptoms of braindamage he's exhibiting.
> ;-)
Hmm.. Perhaps I was inadvertantly right, & your interpretation of "Dopez99"
is correct! :-)
--
Never violate the Prime Directory! \
William Poaster
> On Monday 04 July 2011 19:43 in comp.os.linux.setup, Bill Marcum
> enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>
>> On 2011-07-03, RayLopez99 <raylo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 3, 6:02 pm, Aragorn <stry...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday 03 July 2011 14:36 in comp.os.linux.setup, William Poaster
>>>> enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>>>>
>>>> > Not surprising. RayLopez99 is s known troll. Bin it & move on, is
>>>> > my advice.
>>>>
>>>> +100
>>>
>>> Shiite head you can only "+1", not 100, unless you stuff the ballot
>>> box.
>>>
>>> So stuff it retard.
>>
>> I understand that this +1 meme is something to do with Google. I hope
>> they don't try to trademark it so you have to pay royalties to write
>> "+1" anywhere. With a Real Newsreader, you can score the author or
>> subject of an article from -9999 to +9999.
>
> No, the "+1" underneath a quote generally means "I second your opinion".
> Usually, if someone else also agrees without that he wants to add any
> comments of his own, he'll then go "+2", and so on.
Dopez99 showing his ignorance again. :-)
> In this case, I wrote "+100" so as to say "I agree with you a hundred-
> fold". Apparently RayLopez felt that this was incorrect use of "the
> code" and spouted some kindergarten-like objections to that, along with
> the accusation of retardation towards me, which he liberally attributes
> everyone with who doesn't believe his lies.
<shrug> He's a f#ckwitted troll, expect nothing better. The "99" part of
his nym is probably when he was born, hence the ' kindergarten-like
objections', although I know some 12 year olds who are much smarter than
him. :-)
> I'm surprised that he didn't write "I'm gonna tell the teacher about
> you!"
Heh! Or, "I'm gonna tell your Mom!"
> ;-)
>
--
"!sgub evah t'nseod CP sihT ?sgub naem ayaddahW"
chrisv
>By "queer", I assume you mean "odd" or "unusual",
Why the hell bother with the fscking mental midget RayDopez? Sheesh.