Can you surf the internet from Linux LiveCD? Which distro?
RayLopez99
Assume a modern PC, with lots of RAM, etc, that runs Windows off the
hard drive and no I don't want to dual boot.
RL
I formatted a PC and made an Ubuntu CD with the intent of giving Linux
another try. But when it came down to it I just put the Windows 7 in
the
drive once more. I had my aim set but could not pull the trigger.
They say
I have elements of Linux in my iPhone and microwave and garage door
opener
so I suppose that will have to do.
I admire all of the hard work and noble intent that goes into Linux
but it
is just too lame for a regular desktop user.
But so long as I went to the trouble to make the CD I may try to run
it from
the CD one of these days. I do like the web browser and the email
program.
Magno
> Can you surf the internet from Linux LiveCD? Which distro?
STFI.
Mike Easter
RayLopez99 wrote:
Subject: Can you surf the internet from Linux LiveCD? Which distro?
> Subject line says it all.
That is not the correct way to start a new message thread question.
In the future, create an unambiguous message with its question made only
of complete sentences in the body of your message first. After you've
created such a message body, give it a very brief title in the subject.
When you start a new message thread by typing in the subject as you did,
the results are suboptimal subject and body both. The way you did it,
your subject is too long and your message body is missing the question/s.
The most important part of a new message question is to have the
question of the message in the body where it can provide context for
respondents to answer the question you have asked.
The answers to your subject questions are 'Yes" and 'Lots and lots'
Why don't you burn a linux CD and boot it up and see if you can do what
you want, and then if you have problems you can come back here and ask
for help.
--
Mike Easter
bbgruff
> Subject line says it all. Or Live DVD, if there is such a thing.
> Assume a modern PC, with lots of RAM, etc, that runs Windows off the
> hard drive and no I don't want to dual boot.
Yes, I can.
Most people can.
In fact, for Windows users in particular, it's an excellent way to access
on-line banking etc. securely.
However, in your case, *No*
As you have demonstrated in the past, you are incapable of using a Linux
desktop system in any shape or form.
Your question re, "what distro" is meaningless - any is useless to somebody
as thick as you are.
Aragorn
identifying as bbgruff wrote...
And if you were to actually *name* _one_ Live CD/DVD distribution, then
I'm pretty convinced that his "modern PC with lots of RAM etc." would
quickly turn out to be a 12-year old machine with not even enough RAM
to run Windows 98.
After all, if GNU/Linux were actually work on a machine of his - which
it would, of course - then he wouldn't have anything to nag about
anymore. That's how "Ray Lopez" plays his game.
"Thick" is not how I would describe him. Incompetent, yes. And
malevolent, most definitely.
Hanlon's Razor states that one should never attribute to malice, that
which can be adequately explained by stupidity. In the event of the
C.O.L.A. trolls, they'd be the exception to this rule. Their stupidity
is trumped by their malevolence.
--
*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
ray
Yes. Pick one.
Sidney Lambe
> posted to cols only
>
> RayLopez99 wrote: Subject: Can you surf the internet from Linux
> LiveCD? Which distro?
>
>> Subject line says it all.
>
> That is not the correct way to start a new message thread
> question.
Indeed.
>
> In the future, create an unambiguous message with its question
> made only of complete sentences in the body of your message
> first. After you've created such a message body, give it a very
> brief title in the subject.
>
> When you start a new message thread by typing in the subject as
> you did, the results are suboptimal subject and body both. The
> way you did it, your subject is too long and your message body
> is missing the question/s.
>
> The most important part of a new message question is to have
> the question of the message in the body where it can provide
> context for respondents to answer the question you have asked.
Right on.
>
> The answers to your subject questions are 'Yes" and 'Lots and
> lots'
Why wouldn't they? Aren't internet connections and a web
browsers two of the most important tools in any ordinary
operating system?
Puppy linux and damn small linux (DSL) are two live CD distros
that have never failed to boot without any need for configuration
and to connect to the Internet (DHCP) easily, no matter what
Intel box I have used them on. Handy.
I wonder why he wants to use linux if he knows so little about it.
Do any of the M$ distros have live CD versions?
>
> Why don't you burn a linux CD and boot it up and see if you can
> do what you want, and then if you have problems you can come
> back here and ask for help.
>
Sid
Keith Keller
> posted to cols only
>
> RayLopez99 wrote:
> Subject: Can you surf the internet from Linux LiveCD? Which distro?
>> Subject line says it all.
>
> That is not the correct way to start a new message thread question.
Trolls are generally not concerned about the correct way to start a new
thread.
[rest of good advice for new posters snipped]
--keith
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RayLopez99
> Yes. Pick one.
Puppy Linux. Can I surf the net? I have a CD burned that I think is
live. So if I boot up from that CD, then can I access the internet
(Ethernet card will be recognized?) and will cookies from websites be
stored in memory (RAM) rather than the HD? How would that work? I
don't care if my cookies are not saved, but since many websites use
cookies, I'm curious how you can surf the net without a hard drive.
RL
ray
Well, numbnuts - TRY IT. It's my understanding, which certainly could be
incorrect, that most Live CS's use some variation of a 'union fs' whereby
some RAM is integrated with the read only CD to make a certain amount of
writeable space available. Many have the capability of installing
additional software though, of course, that is volatile and must be
redone at the next boot if you want it. Some CD's will also allow writing
to the rest of the media - which has not already been written. I believe
some can also work with rewriteable media.
RayLopez99
You believe. Try it. For people like you driving old broken down
Harleys in the desert, living under a tin shack in a flood control
plain and hoping for no flash flood. I'm working on a project that
might bring me $1M--got no time for that. You're lucky I got less
time for flaming the nerds / t erds in this NG.
Anybody else? Can somebody confirm whether you can use a Puppy Live
CD to surf the net in Linux?
Got no time to check it out myself...even five minutes of wasted
effort is too long.
RL
Mike Easter
> Puppy Linux. Can I surf the net? I have a CD burned that I think is
> live. So if I boot up from that CD, then can I access the internet
> (Ethernet card will be recognized?) and will cookies from websites be
> stored in memory (RAM) rather than the HD? How would that work? I
> don't care if my cookies are not saved, but since many websites use
> cookies, I'm curious how you can surf the net without a hard drive.
The puppy live cd will not 'autoconnect' as some other distros do when
it is first run, but it will provide a 'walk-thru' by which you will be
prompted to let it connect with the ethernet which it has identified.
My Puppy 5.0.1 boots to a desktop which has a connect icon which
clicking gives a connection wizard. The wizard identifies the current
system's winmodem and ethernet so that I can choose how I want it to
connect.
In addition, it is configurable, so that one of the connection types
will start up immediately on clicking the Connect icon.
When I click the wired ethernet connxn wizard it provides me with
options for which graphical interface network connection tool I want to
use. If I choose the simple one by BarryK, the tool expects for the
network to have a DHCP and is extremely easy to use.
<The hardware I am looking at Puppy 5.0.1 has all 3, dialup linmodem,
ethernet mobo integrated NIC, and PCI wireless card).
Puppy tells me that it currently has no connection and that it has
identified the wired and wireless capabilities and what kinds of drivers
will work - the ethernet is sis900 and the wirelss is ath5k - so then
next I choose eth0.
It failed to negotiate and offered to go back to the main window.
<please wait, trying, successful connection>
Then puppy offers to leave the setup as checked; use SNS for the default
network setup tool.
Now when I click the Connect icon, the tools says there is a working
connection and gives me access to detailed information which provides me
external IP, my LAN IP from the router and other information.
If I click the browser icon, Puppy gives me a choice of Firefox,
SeaMonkey, Chromium, Opera, or the Puppy Browser described as slim and fast.
When I choose Puppy Browser, it becomes the default browser and it is
already installed.
--
Mike Easter
bbgruff
> On Nov 22, 6:42 pm, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>> Yes. Pick one.
>
> Puppy Linux. Can I surf the net?
You? With *any* form of Linux? No - you are too thick.
> I have a CD burned that I think is live.
Nope. If *you* burned it, nobody else will be able to use it either.
You are clueless - you'll have fouled it up like you always do.
> So if I boot up from that CD,
No - you won't be able too - too dense.
> then can I access the internet
Nope. See above.
> (Ethernet card will be recognized?) and will cookies from websites be
> stored in memory (RAM) rather than the HD?
It would, and they would - *if* you could burn the CD and boot from it.
You can't - you are just not capable.
> How would that work?
It wouldn't - can't be done. Give up *now*
> I don't care if my cookies are not saved,
... and *I* don't care that your cookies aren't saved, so we are both happy!
> but since many websites use
> cookies, I'm curious how you can surf the net without a hard drive.
Impossible, isn't it?
Stop trying. It will just end in tears. Quit now.
bbgruff
> Anybody else? Can somebody confirm whether you can use a Puppy Live
> CD to surf the net in Linux?
*I* can.
Most people can.
You cannot - you are too dense.
You've tried before and failed.
Stop now.
Mike Easter
> Got no time to check it out myself...even five minutes of wasted
> effort is too long.
I don't think it is time you are short of; I believe it is competency.
You are not competent to read about how to use Puppy from the wealth of
material that is available on the site and in the live CD.
If Puppy is too much for you to handle, you should just go back to
whatever it is you know how to do.
--
Mike Easter
felmon
> You believe. Try it. For people like you driving old broken down
> Harleys in the desert, living under a tin shack in a flood control plain
> and hoping for no flash flood. I'm working on a project that might
> bring me $1M--got no time for that.
Ray, then you are really wasting your time. it takes time to wait for
replies and compose your responses. in that time, you could have
downloaded the iso and burned it.
if you want to save up some some time which can go to downloading and
rebooting, why not refrain from posting for awhile?
take your time...
Felmon
Sidney Lambe
> RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>> Got no time to check it out myself...even five minutes of
>> wasted effort is too long.
Oh my. We have a real VIP here.
:-\
>
> I don't think it is time you are short of; I believe it is
> competency.
>
> You are not competent to read about how to use Puppy from the
> wealth of material that is available on the site and in the
> live CD.
What's to learn with Puppy? You stick it in your CD/DVD player
and boot the computer.
(Usually the boot order is set in the BIOS so that the CD/DVD
boot before the harddrive.)
>
> If Puppy is too much for you to handle, you should just go back
> to whatever it is you know how to do.
>
Pick his nose?
My newsfilter keeps killing his posts because of some group
or groups he is crossposting to. Which is bizarre, because
the ones I have listed have nothing to do with linux or
computing.
Sid
William Poaster
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:04:14 -0800, RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>> You believe. Try it. For people like you driving old broken down
>> Harleys in the desert, living under a tin shack in a flood control plain
>> and hoping for no flash flood. I'm working on a project that might
>> bring me $1M--got no time for that.
>
> Ray, then you are really wasting your time.
Actually, you are wasting *your* time responding to a troll.
> it takes time to wait for replies and compose your responses. in that time, you could have
> downloaded the iso and burned it.
He's too stupid to do that, as he's proved time & time again.
> if you want to save up some some time which can go to downloading and
> rebooting, why not refrain from posting for awhile?
>
> take your time...
Forever would do. It'd be one troll less in these groups.
--
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Kubuntu 10.10 64-bit; Scientificlinux 5.5 64-bit
ray
Wrong on all accounts, numbnuts. I don't live in the desert. I don't
drive an old broken down Harley - I don't even have a Harley. I don't
live under a tin shack, I don't live in a flood control plain - I could
give a rat's ass about flash floods (yes, I do know what they are). I
doubt you're working on anything with any cash potential. And yes, I have
all the time I need. I retired six years ago.
William Poaster
<Translation> I'm too f#cking stupid to know wtf I'm doing.
--
FireFox - Why, wtf did he do?
Tattoo Vampire
> "Thick" is not how I would describe him. Incompetent, yes. And
> malevolent, most definitely
"Deranged" best describes GayDopehead69.
--
[tv]
President and CEO, Trollus Amongus LLC
Reward for a job well done: more work.
Hadron
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:14:08 -0800, RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>> On Nov 22, 6:42 pm, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>>> Yes. Pick one.
>>
>> Puppy Linux. Can I surf the net? I have a CD burned that I think is
>> live. So if I boot up from that CD, then can I access the internet
>> (Ethernet card will be recognized?) and will cookies from websites be
>> stored in memory (RAM) rather than the HD? How would that work? I
>> don't care if my cookies are not saved, but since many websites use
>> cookies, I'm curious how you can surf the net without a hard drive.
>>
>> RL
>
> Well, numbnuts - TRY IT. It's my understanding, which certainly could be
> incorrect, that most Live CS's use some variation of a 'union fs' whereby
> some RAM is integrated with the read only CD to make a certain amount
> of
"Ram is integrated with the read only CD" is it Ray?
*chuckle*
Hadron
This is supposed to be an "advocacy" group. Yet again it fails.
Dont for one minute try and convince anyone here it tales the same time
to find, download, and burn an ISO to text (and learning how to use that
distro most probably and configure wireless anyd everything) to simply
ASKING here for someones advice. As usual COLA falls short as most of
the gobbier individuals only use Linux as a plaything at home and know
we are wise to their "works for me" claims. in this case its simply a
case of noone here knowing!
ray
I believe that is the purpose of the union file system - is it not?
>
> *chuckle*
ray
Here you go, hardon:
UnionFS is a filesystem service for Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD which
implements a union mount for other file systems. It allows files and
directories of separate file systems, known as branches, to be
transparently overlaid, forming a single coherent file system. Contents
of directories which have the same path within the merged branches will
be seen together in a single merged directory, within the new, virtual
filesystem.
When mounting branches, the priority of one branch over the other is
specified. So when both branches contain a file with the same name, one
gets priority over the other.
The different branches may be both read-only and read-write file systems,
so that writes to the virtual, merged copy are directed to a specific
real file system. This allows a file system to appear as writeable, but
without actually allowing writes to change the file system, also known as
copy-on-write. This may be desirable when the media is physically read-
only, such as in the case of Live CDs.
RayLopez99
You don't understand Felmon. The target PC is not near me now. I
need to know what CDs to take with me when I visit this girl and
install stuff. Should I take the Puppy Linux CD or not? Can I do a
LIveCD demo where I connect to the internet, show her Linux, and, if
she likes it, then install Linux or not? The system now has XP
running on it and it works. But I need to know now, not when I'm at
her place.
Got it now? So please answer my question: have you done a surf the
net via Puppy Linux Live CD or not? DO you know of anybody who has?
Does it work flawlessly, even with only RAM cache for cookies? Stuff
like that.
Answer or shut up. SHut your pie hole up if you cannot give decent
answers. Nuff said.
RL
RayLopez99
> bbgruff wrote:
> > Dopez99 wrote:
>
> >> Anybody else? Can somebody confirm whether you can use a Puppy Live
> >> CD to surf the net in Linux?
>
> >*I* can.
> >Most people can.
> >You cannot - you are too dense.
> >You've tried before and failed.
> >Stop now.
>
> get the networking going. IOW, too difficult for Dopez.
*THIS* is the kind of info I'm looking for. Ironically, Creepy Chris
supplies it indirectly. So observe what CC is saying: some distros
like Puppy are more difficult to connect to a network, especially
doing a LiveCD, than others.
Exactly why I posted this message in the first place. And I get no
decent answers.
So I ask again: which distro to do a Live CD to connect a modern PC to
the internet via a Ethernet card (DSL)? I don't want to install Linux
prior to checking it out, to surf the internet. So the Live CD has to
have a browser on it as well.
"Thank you" (doubt it, but maybe one Good Samaritan is out there
reading this)
RL
RayLopez99
> Wrong on all accounts, numbnuts. I don't live in the desert. I don't
> drive an old broken down Harley - I don't even have a Harley. I don't
> live under a tin shack, I don't live in a flood control plain - I could
> give a rat's ass about flash floods (yes, I do know what they are). I
> doubt you're working on anything with any cash potential. And yes, I have
> all the time I need. I retired six years ago.
>
I just lost what little respect I had of you. You're just some dumb
middle class zany of no importance whatsoever.
Enjoy your retirement gramps.
RL
RayLopez99
> "Ram is integrated with the read only CD" is it Ray?
>
> *chuckle*
LOL grandpa Ray is enjoying his golden years in Sun City, AZ with all
the other octogenarians. He tells them all about Linux everyday but
they forget, so he repeats it the next day. They are fascinated, but
then again they are fascinated staring at the sun. In a couple of
years Ray will join them with mouth agape. Damn I'm good. Cruel, but
that's what these Linux freaks deserve.
BTW, I checked out a new programming paradigm called Reactive
Extensions for Silverlight today--fascinating stuff. A new and easy
way to do asynchronous programming. Very cool and uses Linq as the
template. Check it out.
RL
bbgruff
> So I ask again: which distro to do a Live CD to connect a modern PC to
> the internet via a Ethernet card (DSL)?
You see, this is just what I mean about you being dense - you can't even
phrase the question so as to provide proper information.
1. It is extremely unlikely that your friend is connecting to the Internet
via an Ethernet card.
Possibly your friend *does* have an Ethernet card in the P.C., but more
likely it's a connector on the M/B. Don't worry about that - you don't
understand the difference, and it's academic anyway, but......
2. It is more likely that the Ethernet cable from the PC is connected to
some device, which in turn is connected to an incoming line.
3. You say DSL. That implies either a modem or router.
Which is it?
Is it just a modem?
or is it a modem/router, often called a (A)DSL router?
4. If it really is a router, no problem, just say "router".
If it's just a modem, what manufacturer and model?
5. Computer. What CPU and RAM?
> I don't want to install Linux prior to checking it out, to surf the
internet.
Don't worry - you won't be installing it. You are too thick to do that.
Rest easy on that score.
Pity really - if you weren't so thick, *you* could run a LiveCD on *your*
computer, and (gasp) surf the net! Don't worry - you *are* so thick, so you
can't.
> So the Live CD has to have a browser on it as well.
Gosh! Now you are upping the stakes!
Tell you what - if you can supply the information above, I might just (I
stress *just* ) be able to suggest a live CD for you that has a browser.
Don't worry - *you* will never have to do *anything* with the LiveCD.
Nobody expects you to. You are too dense. Relax.
IF (that's a big IF!) you can manage to convey the name to your friend
though, it's just possible that your friend might know somebody who's a lot
brighter than you (e.g. an 8 year-old kid) to do it for him/her.
ray
'gramps' meaning what? I'm too young to be a grandfather. When you have
something on the ball, you don't have to wait til 65 to retire, numbnuts
- but then, I doubt you'll ever have the resources.
>
> RL
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:04:14 -0800, RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>> You believe. Try it. For people like you driving old broken down
>> Harleys in the desert, living under a tin shack in a flood control plain
>> and hoping for no flash flood. I'm working on a project that might
>> bring me $1M--got no time for that.
>
> Ray, then you are really wasting your time. it takes time to wait for
> replies and compose your responses. in that time, you could have
> downloaded the iso and burned it.
But in order to burn a CD, he'd have to spend MONEY.
Can't have that now can we, CDs cost MONEY and lopez goes out of his way to
avoid spending money on anything. Even though he works on million dollar
projects he still scrimps and saves so much he makes the stereotypical
scotsman look generous. He can't even bring himself to pay his beloved
microsoft the proper amount for their software, instead opting for pirated
versions.
What hope does he have when it comes to running the (slim) risk of making a
coaster with a bad CD burn, that's a whole 20 cents down the drain.
Wintrolling: for when your time is worth less than a 20 cent blank CDR.
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My original answer to his original thread was as honest as you could
get. Fact is, he has no intention of trying anything.
--
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Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 8.04 64bit
ray
You may have overlooked the part in the original post where NoBalls SAID
he had the CD! Geez, hardon, wake up!
Tattoo Vampire
> You may have overlooked the part in the original post where NoBalls SAID
> he had the CD! Geez, hardon, wake up!
Once again, in his zeal to troll, Hadron sticks his foot in his mouth. Or up
his own ass, take your pick.
--
[tv]
President and CEO, Trollus Amongus LLC
D.A.M. ...... Mothers Against Dyslexia.
Mike Easter
> Exactly why I posted this message in the first place.
You crossposted into cols, a group which you don't even read.
Only trolls do that.
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=129048937700
--
Mike Easter
Snit
11/22/10 9:51 PM:
> ray wrote:
>
>> You may have overlooked the part in the original post where NoBalls SAID
>> he had the CD! Geez, hardon, wake up!
>
> Once again, in his zeal to troll, Hadron sticks his foot in his mouth. Or up
> his own ass, take your pick.
I would prefer not. Thanks!
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David Brown
> And so it was that in the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy, felmon<ne...@nowhere.invalid> uttered the following pearls of wisdom:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:04:14 -0800, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>>> You believe. Try it. For people like you driving old broken down
>>> Harleys in the desert, living under a tin shack in a flood control plain
>>> and hoping for no flash flood. I'm working on a project that might
>>> bring me $1M--got no time for that.
>>
>> Ray, then you are really wasting your time. it takes time to wait for
>> replies and compose your responses. in that time, you could have
>> downloaded the iso and burned it.
>
> But in order to burn a CD, he'd have to spend MONEY.
> Can't have that now can we, CDs cost MONEY and lopez goes out of his way to
> avoid spending money on anything. Even though he works on million dollar
> projects he still scrimps and saves so much he makes the stereotypical
> scotsman look generous. He can't even bring himself to pay his beloved
> microsoft the proper amount for their software, instead opting for pirated
> versions.
>
> What hope does he have when it comes to running the (slim) risk of making a
> coaster with a bad CD burn, that's a whole 20 cents down the drain.
>
> Wintrolling: for when your time is worth less than a 20 cent blank CDR.
Then the obvious choice for him is Ubuntu. He can download the CD
edition and try that, or the DVD edition (which has more programs for
live use) and burn that, or he can save the money and ask them to send
him a disk in the post.
David Brown
The OP doesn't want real answers to his questions - so he doesn't get
them. Read his first post and you'll understand.
If anyone actually wanted recommendations for a Linux distribution that
works well from a Live CD, they could ask and they'd get a range of
suggestions - all of which will work, but with different balances of
speed, selections of application, appearances, etc.
Aragorn
identifying as David Brown wrote...
> On 23/11/2010 00:24, Hadron wrote:
>
>> This is supposed to be an "advocacy" group. Yet again it fails.
comp.os.linux.setup is not an advocacy group, and least of all a Windows
advocacy group.
>> Dont for one minute try and convince anyone here it tales the same
>> time to find, download, and burn an ISO to text (and learning how to
>> use that distro most probably and configure wireless anyd everything)
>> to simply ASKING here for someones advice. As usual COLA falls short
>> as most of the gobbier individuals only use Linux as a plaything at
>> home and know we are wise to their "works for me" claims. in this
>> case its simply a case of noone here knowing!
>
> The OP doesn't want real answers to his questions - so he doesn't get
> them. Read his first post and you'll understand.
David, just for your information, you are replying to another well-known
C.O.L.A. troll and an ostensible liar who likes going ad hominem and
falsely accusing people.
> If anyone actually wanted recommendations for a Linux distribution
> that works well from a Live CD, they could ask and they'd get a range
> of suggestions - all of which will work, but with different balances
> of speed, selections of application, appearances, etc.
And if they really were interested, they could fire up a webbrowser and
direct it at http//www.distrowatch.com or any of the other informative
GNU/Linux-related websites.
They could, but they won't. And the only distro these guys have ever
heard of appears to be Ubuntu, because that's what they're dissing on
all the time.
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spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Then the obvious choice for him is Ubuntu. He can download the CD
> edition and try that, or the DVD edition (which has more programs for
> live use) and burn that, or he can save the money and ask them to send
> him a disk in the post.
I thought ubuntu'd stopped doing the "shipit" thing now.
Demand was too high? Or did they just start limiting how many they sent?
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David Brown
> On Tuesday 23 November 2010 09:11 in comp.os.linux.setup, somebody
> identifying as David Brown wrote...
>
>> On 23/11/2010 00:24, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> This is supposed to be an "advocacy" group. Yet again it fails.
>
> comp.os.linux.setup is not an advocacy group, and least of all a Windows
> advocacy group.
>
>>> Dont for one minute try and convince anyone here it tales the same
>>> time to find, download, and burn an ISO to text (and learning how to
>>> use that distro most probably and configure wireless anyd everything)
>>> to simply ASKING here for someones advice. As usual COLA falls short
>>> as most of the gobbier individuals only use Linux as a plaything at
>>> home and know we are wise to their "works for me" claims. in this
>>> case its simply a case of noone here knowing!
>>
>> The OP doesn't want real answers to his questions - so he doesn't get
>> them. Read his first post and you'll understand.
>
> David, just for your information, you are replying to another well-known
> C.O.L.A. troll and an ostensible liar who likes going ad hominem and
> falsely accusing people.
>
I know. But every now and again I am overwhelmed by the feeling that
deep down, there is a real person underneath the trollish outer layers,
and that maybe one day a helpful answer will wake that sleeping human.
It's naive and unrealistic, but sometimes I can't help it.
There's also the issue that other people wander into these groups on
occasion. I'd like such passers-by to know that there are people here
who are willing to help, as long as the poster is a real person.
>> If anyone actually wanted recommendations for a Linux distribution
>> that works well from a Live CD, they could ask and they'd get a range
>> of suggestions - all of which will work, but with different balances
>> of speed, selections of application, appearances, etc.
>
> And if they really were interested, they could fire up a webbrowser and
> direct it at http//www.distrowatch.com or any of the other informative
> GNU/Linux-related websites.
>
> They could, but they won't. And the only distro these guys have ever
> heard of appears to be Ubuntu, because that's what they're dissing on
> all the time.
>
Of course, there is not much wrong with Ubuntu. It's not to the taste
of everyone - personally, I normally recommend Mint to people who just
want something that works, while I use Fedora myself on desktops, and
other distros for more specialist uses. But Ubuntu is a perfectly
reasonable average choice of a distro that would do the job here.
William Poaster
> ray wrote:
>
>> You may have overlooked the part in the original post where NoBalls SAID
>> he had the CD! Geez, hardon, wake up!
>
> Once again, in his zeal to troll, Hadron sticks his foot in his mouth. Or up
> his own ass, take your pick.
Ass, as that's where the Hadron troll talks from.
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Kevin Safford
> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>
>>> You may have overlooked the part in the original post where NoBalls
>>> SAID he had the CD! Geez, hardon, wake up!
>>
>> Once again, in his zeal to troll, Hadron sticks his foot in his mouth.
>> Or up his own ass, take your pick.
>
> Ass, as that's where the Hadron troll talks from.
s/troll/shill/
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David Brown
> And so it was that in the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> David Brown<da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> uttered the
> following pearls of wisdom:
>> Then the obvious choice for him is Ubuntu. He can download the CD
>> edition and try that, or the DVD edition (which has more programs
>> for live use) and burn that, or he can save the money and ask them
>> to send him a disk in the post.
>
> I thought ubuntu'd stopped doing the "shipit" thing now. Demand was
> too high? Or did they just start limiting how many they sent?
I had a quick look - it still seems to be there, but it's a bit more
hidden and you have to register (not unreasonable). Perhaps there are
more restrictions - I didn't dig into the details.
Aragorn
identifying as David Brown wrote...
> On 23/11/2010 10:17, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> [...] And if they really were interested, they could fire up a
>> webbrowser and direct it at http://www.distrowatch.com or any of the
>> other informative GNU/Linux-related websites.
[URL typo corrected]
>> They could, but they won't. And the only distro these guys have ever
>> heard of appears to be Ubuntu, because that's what they're dissing on
>> all the time.
>
> Of course, there is not much wrong with Ubuntu. It's not to the taste
> of everyone - personally, I normally recommend Mint to people who just
> want something that works, while I use Fedora myself on desktops, and
> other distros for more specialist uses. But Ubuntu is a perfectly
> reasonable average choice of a distro that would do the job here.
On this machine here, I am currently running (an older) PCLinuxOS.
Before that, I have always used Mandrake - now called Mandriva, and
also very recently forked into a new, non-commercial alternative,
called Mageia - and I have always found that to be a very decent
distribution.
To my knowledge, Mandriva has still not given in to the tendency of many
GNU/Linux distributions to provide separate releases for KDE fans,
Gnome fans, XFCE fans and whatever-else-have-you fans. It's a fairly
complete distribution that doesn't have too many issues - albeit that
it's more to the "bleeding edge" side than, say, RHEL/CentOS - and that
still offers a substantial degree of choice to the person installing
it.
Mandriva as a corporation is another matter, of course. They've managed
to sack their own founder and prime developer "for cutback reasons",
for years already they've lost touch with their userbase, and now, or
so it seems, also with their own developerbase, which is why the
initiative was taken to create Mageia.
SuSE and OpenSuSE is also a very decent and very complete distribution,
but alas, it may very well be that this distribution is going to go the
same way as Corel's (poor) GNU/Linux distribution. As I was reading
through Google's news articles this morning, it came to my attention
that in the stock market, Novell's shares have virtually all been
bought "at a price they couldn't refuse" by a consortium of small
corporations, all of which are under the control of Microsoft.
This of course begs the question how Microsoft could find both the time
and the money to engineer something like this if they had to sack a lot
of their employees earlier this year "due to the financial crisis".
But then again, Microsoft Inc. cannot be trusted any farther than it
can be thrown. If they decide to pull a "Corel stunt" on Novell, then
it won't be the end of GNU/Linux - not by a long shot - but it /would/
be the end of a very decent and very solid distribution, the very first
commercial distribution, even.
Of course, given the existence of OpenSuSE, the developers could decide
to continue as a community-developed distribution only, but given that
Novell owns the "SuSE Linux" trademark, the distro would have to change
names. No biggie, but nevertheless a hurdle with regard to any new
users.
Now, apart from my own experiences with Mandriva, PCLinuxOS and Gentoo,
I have worked with both OpenSuSE and CentOS on our organization's
servers, but Ubuntu is a distribution I have no experience with,
neither on a workstation nor on a server. The people who built my Big
Machine - and these are professionals, not amateurs - are very fond of
it, though. They use it on all of their desktops and laptops, and they
are particularly fond of the server version. According to them,
Ubuntu "just works". Maybe it's the Debian legacy, I don't know.
Debian is another one of those monuments, just like Slackware. And
then there's RedHat, but CentOS is virtually identical to that, so
unless those who fancy RedHat really need some kind of prepaid
corporate support, they'd be better off with CentOS.
For that Big Machine I have spoken of a few times already, I have my
mind set on Gentoo, even if only because of the fact that the software
is installed from sources and that you can thus optimize it for the
local hardware. As an organization, Gentoo has had its problems as
well in the past, but they are slowly starting to get their act
together again.
Whereas Live CDs or DVDs are concerned though, just about every distro
that offers a Live CD/DVD would have sufficed for the original poster's
purported needs - i.e. the troll RayLopez99 - in the event that he was
being serious. And he could have found such a distribution "of his
liking" quite easily if he had really wanted to. All it takes is a
webbrowser and a search engine. But none of them are "of his liking",
and that's the main issue here.
The bottom line is that these people are not serious, ever. No matter
what advice you give to them, they'll just keep on moving the goalposts
until the ball doesn't fit between them anymore. And they're actually
so dumb that if we were to tell them to stick with Windows because
they're too stupid to handle GNU/Linux, they would consider that a
victory.
I think that the biggest problem GNU/Linux activists face is that
they're taking the intelligence of their opponents - who are all
invariably US American and pro-Microsoft, with the exception maybe of a
single MacIntosh troll - serious, while in truth, these people are
absolutely deranged and of below-average intelligence.
They are intellectually immature. That's why they keep on coming back,
time and time again. They're so stupid that they don't even realize
when they've lost the debate.
Hadron
> And so it was that in the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> uttered the following pearls of wisdom:
>> Then the obvious choice for him is Ubuntu. He can download the CD
>> edition and try that, or the DVD edition (which has more programs for
>> live use) and burn that, or he can save the money and ask them to send
>> him a disk in the post.
>
> I thought ubuntu'd stopped doing the "shipit" thing now.
> Demand was too high? Or did they just start limiting how many they sent?
It costs money.
Demand too high? Chuckle.
William Poaster
> RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>> Got no time to check it out myself...even five minutes of wasted
>> effort is too long.
>
> I don't think it is time you are short of; I believe it is competency.
>
> You are not competent to read about how to use Puppy from the wealth of
> material that is available on the site and in the live CD.
>
> If Puppy is too much for you to handle, you should just go back to
> whatever it is you know how to do.
Troll? Although he even does that badly.
--
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Hadron
Once more, because the "advocates" killfile so much they missed the part
where Dopez asked which to use.
Why am I not surprised.
Willy plays up to his nick of "Dumb Willy" once more! Way to go Willy!
RayLopez99
B.S. Answer the question if you can: can you surf the net from a
live CD? Have you tried? Quit the spin.
RL
RayLopez99
wrote:
> Then the obvious choice for him is Ubuntu. He can download the CD
> edition and try that, or the DVD edition (which has more programs for
> live use) and burn that, or he can save the money and ask them to send
> him a disk in the post.
Pay attention Brown (nose): we are talking about surfing the net via
Live CD. Can you do that w/ Ubuntu? if so, I will download it. Have
you tried? That's even more encouragement.
RL
RayLopez99
wrote:
> The OP doesn't want real answers to his questions - so he doesn't get
> them. Read his first post and you'll understand.
>
> If anyone actually wanted recommendations for a Linux distribution that
> works well from a Live CD, they could ask and they'd get a range of
> suggestions - all of which will work, but with different balances of
> speed, selections of application, appearances, etc.
Spin. As usual. Answer my question: LiveCD, surf the net. Or STFU.
RL
RayLopez99
> And if they really were interested, they could fire up a webbrowser and
> direct it at http//www.distrowatch.comor any of the other informative
> GNU/Linux-related websites.
>
> They could, but they won't. And the only distro these guys have ever
> heard of appears to be Ubuntu, because that's what they're dissing on
> all the time.
>
These sites have a lot of information but I want a specific answer to
what distro allows you to surf the net via Live CD, and to followup on
Creepy Chris, which distro is the easiest.
Do you have an answer? Or you prefer to moan and whine about evil
trolls? Your choice bozo.
RL
RayLopez99
wrote:
> Of course, there is not much wrong with Ubuntu. It's not to the taste
> of everyone - personally, I normally recommend Mint to people who just
> want something that works, while I use Fedora myself on desktops, and
> other distros for more specialist uses. But Ubuntu is a perfectly
> reasonable average choice of a distro that would do the job here.
NO. Once again you fail to say the magic words: LIVECD, INTERNET
BROWSING. We are not talking about installing a distro on your hard
drive. Get it now?
Please answer the question (if you can). Somehow I doubt you will.
RL
Hadron
You could write your own distro in the time it takes Aragorn Son Of
Gaswad to actually say anything worth paying attention to.
ps please don't laugh at his silly nym. It's not him claiming to be a
big tough, cloak clad heir to middle earth, wielding magic and swords
in equal measure. Apparently it was, *snigger*, bequeathed to him by his
beardy pals in the D&D cellar meet ......
I just wish someone would break the "gasbag non-interruptus" spell that
someone laid on him. He could bore the hole off a German tax consultant
...
SINNER
Never had a problem using the Ubuntu Live CD to browse the web. No Spin.
--
David
bbgruff
Dunno whether he has or not, but I have, and also Mint.
Both worked very well, but they won't for you.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
You are going to be disappointed.
I don't believe that you are actually capable even of downloading and
burning either of those. In fact, I think it's likely that you have tried
and failed already.
As for getting either to work, no chance!
You would need to:-
- make sure that the machine boots from CD first.
- put the CD in the right way up!
- (re)start the machine.
All completely beyond you.
You might also have to specfiy your time-zone! Ye gods - the comlexity!
Nope, I'm at the stage where I'm thinking of running a book on this.
What's holding be back is that I don't think I could "balance the book". To
do that, *somebody* would have to bet that you'd succeed, and I've seen no
indication at all yet that anybody is likely to, whatever odds I offer.
The problem is that most people here, unlike you, have more than one brain
cell, and aren't going to throw money away :-(
bbgruff
...er..... where did he deny LIVECD or INTERNET BROWSING in that quote????
bbgruff
> On Nov 23, 11:17 am, Aragorn <arag...@chatfactory.invalid> wrote:
>
>> And if they really were interested, they could fire up a webbrowser and
>> direct it at http//www.distrowatch.comor any of the other informative
>> GNU/Linux-related websites.
>>
>> They could, but they won't. And the only distro these guys have ever
>> heard of appears to be Ubuntu, because that's what they're dissing on
>> all the time.
>>
>
> These sites have a lot of information but I want a specific answer to
> what distro allows you to surf the net via Live CD,
The answer is.... *yes*
> and to followup on
> Creepy Chris, which distro is the easiest.
No distro is easy for *you*
*You* are not capable of doing this.
Stop now!
> Do you have an answer? Or you prefer to moan and whine about evil
> trolls? Your choice bozo.
Yes and Yes.
chrisv
> Aragorn wrote:
>>
>> David, just for your information, you are replying to another well-known
>> C.O.L.A. troll and an ostensible liar who likes going ad hominem and
>> falsely accusing people.
>
>I know. But every now and again I am overwhelmed by the feeling that
>deep down, there is a real person underneath the trollish outer layers,
>and that maybe one day a helpful answer will wake that sleeping human.
>It's naive and unrealistic, but sometimes I can't help it.
There's nothing but shit underneath "Hadron's" outer layers.
--
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release. I'm looking forward to the next version.
Hadron Quark responds: Why? What's so buggy you need an entire new
version? Come on freetard fan boy, spill the beans.
David Brown
Do you have access to a working web browser at the moment?
A google for "ubuntu live cd" gives a top hit:
<http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download>
From that link, you can download Ubuntu. The normal Ubuntu desktop
edition (32-bit works on anything, 64-bit version requires a suitable
cpu) will work fine as a LIVECD.
You can also follow the link to "alternative downloads" and find the DVD
download. That will also work Live, and has more software on it. But
Firefox (a BROWSER - for surfing the INTERNET) is on the CD version too.
The second hit from google is:
<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD>
That explains some of the things you can do with the Live CD, including
using Firefox for surfing. If you like it, you can install it - but you
don't have to install Ubuntu to use it.
Most non-specialist Linux distributions work as Live CDs these days, so
you can take your pick - Ubuntu is only one example. For newbies, or
people who want something that just works, I generally recommend Mint.
Mike Easter
>Mike Easter
>> http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=129048937700
> B.S. Answer the question if you can: can you surf the net from a
> live CD? Have you tried? Quit the spin.
If you would read the answer given in this group and viewable again at
that link you would see an in-depth answer to exactly how to do it with
Puppy.
--
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spi...@freenet.co.uk
So you maintain that demand for free ubuntu CDs wasn't high?
stupidity noted.
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Keith Keller
> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> RayLopez99 wrote:
> Troll? Although he even does that badly.
Clearly not, given the number of people who have responded to him.
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RayLopez99
> RayLopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On Nov 23, 11:17 am, Aragorn <arag...@chatfactory.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> And if they really were interested, they could fire up a webbrowser and
> >> GNU/Linux-related websites.
>
> >> They could, but they won't. And the only distro these guys have ever
> >> heard of appears to be Ubuntu, because that's what they're dissing on
> >> all the time.
>
> > These sites have a lot of information but I want a specific answer to
> > what distro allows you to surf the net via Live CD, and to followup on
> > Creepy Chris, which distro is the easiest.
>
> > Do you have an answer? Or you prefer to moan and whine about evil
> > trolls? Your choice bozo.
>
> > RL
>
> You could write your own distro in the time it takes Aragorn Son Of
> Gaswad to actually say anything worth paying attention to.
>
> ps please don't laugh at his silly nym. It's not him claiming to be a
> big tough, cloak clad heir to middle earth, wielding magic and swords
> in equal measure. Apparently it was, *snigger*, bequeathed to him by his
> beardy pals in the D&D cellar meet ......
>
> I just wish someone would break the "gasbag non-interruptus" spell that
> someone laid on him. He could bore the hole off a German tax consultant
> ...
LOL! Too funny. D&D? That was the 1970s. He must be an old man.
An old unmarried man. Who wants to cohabit with such a bore?
Probably talks too loud and projects wads of spittle from the corners
of his mouth every time he speaks, along with laughing at his own
obscure jokes. But since he mentioned he has some mental problems
(dyslexia I believe) I always go easy on him, inserting a smiley every
time I insult him. Why? Not really for legal liability reasons,
since I don't have any special relationship over him like being his
boss, but more because of my conscience: I hate to have him go off
and commit suicide, leaving some note about how "raylopez99 made me do
it"--you know how unstable these people are. It would hurt my
feelings for a day or two, though with these types there's not much
you can do to avoid setting them off.
A Linux user too. Figures. Aside from you Hadron I don't know of too
many stable Linux users, despite their claims that their OS is so
stable! :-0
RL
Mike Easter
> the number of people who have responded to him.
I reply in cols to some of RL's questions appearing in cols for the
benefit of any of those lurkers who would /actually/ like to know the
answer to the question posed.
I don't even read cola which is RL's trolling and flaming focus.
Apparently RL doesn't even read cols where he crossposts.
--
Mike Easter
RayLopez99
wrote:
>
> > Please answer the question (if you can). Somehow I doubt you will.
>
> Do you have access to a working web browser at the moment?
>
> A google for "ubuntu live cd" gives a top hit:
>
> <http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download>
>
> From that link, you can download Ubuntu. The normal Ubuntu desktop
> edition (32-bit works on anything, 64-bit version requires a suitable
> cpu) will work fine as a LIVECD.
OK, I see. Sorry for the insult earlier, I thought you were just
flaming. OK I just checked it out. It's the .iso 10-10 that is 693
MB large and will take (since my internet connection, even though a
DSL, is slow here in Athens, GR) 2 hours and 35 minutes to download.
So I will wait until I'm back in the States, or try it when I'm out of
the house for a few hours on Wednesday. Before I do though, since
it's time consuming, can you please tell me if Ubuntu is better than
Mint for older PCs like a Pentium IV? With 1 GB RAM? Also whether the
CD (not DVD) has Firefox or any browser on it, since the mission is to
surf the net. I notice Ubuntu says the "Standard Version" is the DVD,
but this user has no DVD player, only a CD. Please advise. Seems
from reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD that the
answer is "yes", that is, the Live CD (not DVD) does allow you to surf
the net. So the issue is: Ubuntu or Mint?
>
> You can also follow the link to "alternative downloads" and find the DVD
> download. That will also work Live, and has more software on it. But
> Firefox (a BROWSER - for surfing the INTERNET) is on the CD version too.
No. The 'alternative' download does not work. From Ubuntu this is
what they say: "You need to create, borrow, buy or request an Ubuntu
CD or Usb-stick. Once you have an Ubuntu Cd or Usb it should work as
an installer and as a !LiveCD or LiveUsb. There are some downloads,
such as the Alternate Cd that cannot be used as !LiveCd/Usb. To create
a LiveCd * Download Ubuntu. Avoid the "Alternate Cd" & the Server
Edition because it has no desktop. "
So you see, following your advice, even if well intentioned, would
have resulted in a fatal error. Do you see why now I seem to fly off
the handle? This is the kind of "support" you get from the "Linux
community". Why? Because they are volunteers that owe you nothing.
I'm not paying you, so why do you have to service me? You don't.
Even if I suck up and butter you up with compliments there's no reason
to tell me the truth about anything. I am at your mercy. Do you see
why now 99% of computer users don't trust Linux?
Anyway, I thank you for your time and once again sorry for the
insults. I will check tomorrow this thread to see if you or bbgruff
recommend Mint over Ubuntu. Since I have the link (here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD) I am leaning towards Ubuntu
because at least they are representing on their website that you can
surf the net with their CD (not DVD) version. That's good to know.
> For newbies, or
> people who want something that just works, I generally recommend Mint.
>
> <http://linuxmint.com/>
Sorry I just read this. Again, why? For older PCs will Ubuntu work?
I'm not a newbie--I code, even professionally, using C# and Visual
Studio, and have built many a PC from scratch (and have dual booted
Linux and Windows NT 4 back in the days, 'for fun').
RL
RayLopez99
> So you maintain that demand for free ubuntu CDs wasn't high?
> stupidity noted.
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That's exactly what he is claiming. If you are giving a product away,
and nobody is taking it, even free, what does that say about the
utility of and demand for your product, stupido?
No answer from you. Stupidity noted.
RL
GangGreene
> I'm not a newbie--I code, even professionally, using C# and Visual
> Studio
Sorry that is not coding
Norman Peelman
He said... 'Follow the link to the alternative downloads', not
'download the alternate CD.' Option #4 - DVD download. The only fatal
error is your reading comprehension. You don't have to d/l the dvd
version as the cd version has the option to upgrade to the dvd version
from the 'Welcome' screen.
> So you see, following your advice, even if well intentioned, would
> have resulted in a fatal error. Do you see why now I seem to fly off
> the handle? This is the kind of "support" you get from the "Linux
> community". Why? Because they are volunteers that owe you nothing.
> I'm not paying you, so why do you have to service me? You don't.
> Even if I suck up and butter you up with compliments there's no reason
> to tell me the truth about anything. I am at your mercy. Do you see
> why now 99% of computer users don't trust Linux?
>
Trust is not the problem... it's people like you.
> Anyway, I thank you for your time and once again sorry for the
> insults. I will check tomorrow this thread to see if you or bbgruff
> recommend Mint over Ubuntu. Since I have the link (here:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD) I am leaning towards Ubuntu
> because at least they are representing on their website that you can
> surf the net with their CD (not DVD) version. That's good to know.
>
Both come with Firefox web browser:
http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features
http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/linuxmint.com/stable/10/user-guide/english.pdf
>> For newbies, or
>> people who want something that just works, I generally recommend Mint.
>>
>> <http://linuxmint.com/>
>
> Sorry I just read this. Again, why? For older PCs will Ubuntu work?
> I'm not a newbie--I code, even professionally, using C# and Visual
> Studio, and have built many a PC from scratch (and have dual booted
> Linux and Windows NT 4 back in the days, 'for fun').
>
> RL
--
Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 8.04 64bit
David Brown
> On Nov 23, 6:13 pm, David Brown<da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Please answer the question (if you can). Somehow I doubt you will.
>>
>> Do you have access to a working web browser at the moment?
>>
>> A google for "ubuntu live cd" gives a top hit:
>>
>> <http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download>
>>
>> From that link, you can download Ubuntu. The normal Ubuntu desktop
>> edition (32-bit works on anything, 64-bit version requires a suitable
>> cpu) will work fine as a LIVECD.
>
> OK, I see. Sorry for the insult earlier, I thought you were just
> flaming. OK I just checked it out. It's the .iso 10-10 that is 693
> MB large and will take (since my internet connection, even though a
> DSL, is slow here in Athens, GR) 2 hours and 35 minutes to download.
If you are in Athens, you might be interested to know that Ubuntu, like
most major distributions, supports Greek (and something like 60 more
languages) straight off the CD. You can make your choice at bootup for
LiveCD use, and if you install it you can mix and match languages as you
fancy.
> So I will wait until I'm back in the States, or try it when I'm out of
> the house for a few hours on Wednesday. Before I do though, since
> it's time consuming, can you please tell me if Ubuntu is better than
> Mint for older PCs like a Pentium IV? With 1 GB RAM? Also whether the
> CD (not DVD) has Firefox or any browser on it, since the mission is to
> surf the net. I notice Ubuntu says the "Standard Version" is the DVD,
> but this user has no DVD player, only a CD. Please advise. Seems
> from reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD that the
> answer is "yes", that is, the Live CD (not DVD) does allow you to surf
> the net. So the issue is: Ubuntu or Mint?
>
If you only have a CD player, choose the CD version. DVD versions have
more software, but a CD version will have everything you need for
surfing (the DVD will have more additional applications, games, etc.).
Of course, if you later install the system, it's all available over the
net, so it doesn't matter which you start with.
I find it /very/ unlikely that a Pentium IV with 1 GB ram does not have
a DVD player. It may not have a DVD /writer/. But it doesn't matter,
the CD will be fine.
Mint will run on anything Ubuntu runs on - Mint is based on Ubuntu. A
P.IV with 1 GB ram will be fine.
Ubuntu used to have a lot of brown in its themes - now it's more a sort
of purple. I think Mint's green is a lot nicer.
More seriously, I think the Mint developers pay more attention to their
users and try to make the system easier and nicer for them. They are
often a bit more practical - such as having better out-of-the-box
multimedia support. Ubuntu are a little more corporate orientated, a
bit more bureaucratic, and a bit more conservative about including
software that is free but not open source, or that may have patent issues.
Thus I recommend Mint.
With Live CDs, be prepared for delays when starting programs or other
actions that require reading from the CD - it takes a while to access
anything on a CD. Once a program has first been loaded, it will be
cached in ram and run faster the next time. 1 GB is enough to cache
quite a lot, giving a reasonable experience from a Live CD.
Since your previous Linux experience seems to be Puppy Linux, I think
you'll be surprised by Mint. Puppy Linux is aimed mainly at running
efficiently on smaller, older or resource-limited computers - Mint is
aimed at making the OS easy to use, and pretty to look at.
>>
>> You can also follow the link to "alternative downloads" and find the DVD
>> download. That will also work Live, and has more software on it. But
>> Firefox (a BROWSER - for surfing the INTERNET) is on the CD version too.
>
> No. The 'alternative' download does not work. From Ubuntu this is
> what they say: "You need to create, borrow, buy or request an Ubuntu
> CD or Usb-stick. Once you have an Ubuntu Cd or Usb it should work as
> an installer and as a !LiveCD or LiveUsb. There are some downloads,
> such as the Alternate Cd that cannot be used as !LiveCd/Usb. To create
> a LiveCd * Download Ubuntu. Avoid the "Alternate Cd"& the Server
> Edition because it has no desktop. "
>
I said you could follow the link to "alternative downloads" and find the
DVD download. There are several options there - one is the DVD, which
is a Live DVD and will work like the desktop Live CD but with more
programs. This is what I referred to, and is easy to find on that page
- all you need to do is look for the term "DVD".
There are other "alternative downloads" options, including downloads via
bittorrent, server versions (which are not "live", and not what you are
looking for), and the "alternative installer" version. I think it is
this last one that has confused you. This is a non-live version with a
more complex installer for advanced usage (installing on low memory
machines, setting up software raid, etc.). Again, this is not what you
are looking for.
> So you see, following your advice, even if well intentioned, would
> have resulted in a fatal error. Do you see why now I seem to fly off
> the handle? This is the kind of "support" you get from the "Linux
> community". Why? Because they are volunteers that owe you nothing.
> I'm not paying you, so why do you have to service me? You don't.
> Even if I suck up and butter you up with compliments there's no reason
> to tell me the truth about anything. I am at your mercy. Do you see
> why now 99% of computer users don't trust Linux?
>
Having read my reply above, do you now see why people don't like giving
you advice? You "fly off the handle", and spend more time and effort
insulting people and/or Linux than you do reading people's posts and the
links they give. I believe my advice was clear, and anyone making a
reasonable effort would find out about the Live DVD. But you are
determined to find fault in everything and everyone, and to misinterpret
every comment in the worst possible way.
I am not interested in compliments - I know what I am good at. I am not
bothered by insults - I know when they are not relevant. I like helping
out, giving advice and spreading knowledge - sometimes my posts in
newsgroups really do make a difference to people. I also am the kind of
guy that catches spiders in a glass and puts them out the door, rather
than squashing them - even if it's unlikely that the spider will learn
anything, or thank me.
I'm not going to argue user percentages with you, but people avoid Linux
because they don't know about it, they don't understand it, they find it
unfamiliar, they don't think it will run the software they need, or -
the biggest reason - their PC supplier, shop, IT department, etc., won't
provide it. There are many good reasons for not running Linux, and even
more bad ones - but "don't trust Linux" doesn't even rate under the list
of bad reasons.
> Anyway, I thank you for your time and once again sorry for the
> insults. I will check tomorrow this thread to see if you or bbgruff
> recommend Mint over Ubuntu. Since I have the link (here:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD) I am leaning towards Ubuntu
> because at least they are representing on their website that you can
> surf the net with their CD (not DVD) version. That's good to know.
>
Neither Ubuntu nor Mint are specialised for Live CD sessions, but both
will work perfectly well Live. Just to be absolutely sure, I've just
booted Mint as a Live CD in a VirtualBox machine (with only 512 MB ram,
but a faster processor and a fast virtual CD drive) - surfing works
fine, including watching flash videos.
>> For newbies, or
>> people who want something that just works, I generally recommend Mint.
>>
>> <http://linuxmint.com/>
>
> Sorry I just read this. Again, why? For older PCs will Ubuntu work?
When people talk about Linux on "older PC's", they mean a few steps back
from a P.IV and 1 GB ram. You only want to consider a
resource-optimised distribution (like Puppy) if you have under 256 MB ram.
Ubuntu /will/ work on your PC, and so will Mint. But see earlier in
this post for why I recommend Mint for you (and many other people).
> I'm not a newbie--I code, even professionally, using C# and Visual
> Studio, and have built many a PC from scratch (and have dual booted
> Linux and Windows NT 4 back in the days, 'for fun').
>
I have no grounds for speculating about your windows experiences, but
you are a newbie at Linux. A lot has changed in the Linux world in the
last ten or twelve years (when NT 4 was fashionable) - you can pretty
much forget anything you learned from a little messing around at that time.
Mint will make it easy to get started with Linux, but is in no way a
limited distribution, and works fine for experts too.
Peter Köhlmann
> On 23/11/2010 21:17, RayLopez99 wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 6:13 pm, David Brown<da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please answer the question (if you can). Somehow I doubt you will.
>>>
>>> Do you have access to a working web browser at the moment?
>>>
>>> A google for "ubuntu live cd" gives a top hit:
>>>
>>> <http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download>
>>>
>>> From that link, you can download Ubuntu. The normal Ubuntu desktop
>>> edition (32-bit works on anything, 64-bit version requires a suitable
>>> cpu) will work fine as a LIVECD.
>>
>> OK, I see. Sorry for the insult earlier, I thought you were just
>> flaming. OK I just checked it out. It's the .iso 10-10 that is 693
>> MB large and will take (since my internet connection, even though a
>> DSL, is slow here in Athens, GR) 2 hours and 35 minutes to download.
>
> If you are in Athens
He isn't. He has never left his tiny village somewhere in the swamps, where
his sister is also his mother
RayLopez isn't interested in any facts, he is (by far) the dumbest troll in
COLA for a very long time.
And now he has taken to crossposting his idiocy to other groups as well,
especially to cols is hilarious, as that cretin isn't able to set up anything
--
Microsoft Windows - The art of incompetence.
RayLopez99
wrote:
> On 23/11/2010 21:17, RayLopez99 wrote:
>
> If you are in Athens, you might be interested to know that Ubuntu, like
> most major distributions, supports Greek (and something like 60 more
> languages) straight off the CD. You can make your choice at bootup for
> LiveCD use, and if you install it you can mix and match languages as you
> fancy.
I speak and write Greek but it's a difficult language and I prefer
English.
>
> I find it /very/ unlikely that a Pentium IV with 1 GB ram does not have
> a DVD player. It may not have a DVD /writer/. But it doesn't matter,
> the CD will be fine.
It does not. It only has a CD.
>
> Mint will run on anything Ubuntu runs on - Mint is based on Ubuntu. A
> P.IV with 1 GB ram will be fine.
Interesting that Mint is based on Ubuntu but more user friendly.
>
> Ubuntu used to have a lot of brown in its themes - now it's more a sort
> of purple. I think Mint's green is a lot nicer.
>
> More seriously, I think the Mint developers pay more attention to their
> users and try to make the system easier and nicer for them. They are
> often a bit more practical - such as having better out-of-the-box
> multimedia support. Ubuntu are a little more corporate orientated, a
> bit more bureaucratic, and a bit more conservative about including
> software that is free but not open source, or that may have patent issues.
>
> Thus I recommend Mint.
Thanks. Just downloaded it now. Will burn to .ISO and boot from it
and see if I can surf the net from it...then if so I will assume the
target PC can. Will report back with any bugs and difficulties, you
can be sure of that.
>
> With Live CDs, be prepared for delays when starting programs or other
> actions that require reading from the CD - it takes a while to access
> anything on a CD. Once a program has first been loaded, it will be
> cached in ram and run faster the next time. 1 GB is enough to cache
> quite a lot, giving a reasonable experience from a Live CD.
>
OK.
> Since your previous Linux experience seems to be Puppy Linux, I think
> you'll be surprised by Mint. Puppy Linux is aimed mainly at running
> efficiently on smaller, older or resource-limited computers - Mint is
> aimed at making the OS easy to use, and pretty to look at.
>
>
OK, that's interesting and good to know.
[alternative stuff deleted]
>
> Having read my reply above, do you now see why people don't like giving
> you advice? You "fly off the handle", and spend more time and effort
> insulting people and/or Linux than you do reading people's posts and the
> links they give. I believe my advice was clear, and anyone making a
> reasonable effort would find out about the Live DVD. But you are
> determined to find fault in everything and everyone, and to misinterpret
> every comment in the worst possible way.
Of course I do. Largely I troll bait the (l)users at COLA. But this
time I was serious, and but for you and a few others Linux would have
lost a potential 'customer'. Part of that fabled 1% market share.
Let me be clear: *I* don't plan on switching to Linux. But for this
non-power casual user, she might find Linux useful, *if* it works in
Live CD mode (probably I'll tell her: to surf the net, use LiveCD.
But to do Serious Work (since she does know how to use Word), bootup
without the CD and use Windows XP. I think she'll understand but it's
hard to say. I'll see if and when I get the LiveCD working).
>
> I am not interested in compliments - I know what I am good at.
What? Good for nothing. Sorry.
> I am not
> bothered by insults - I know when they are not relevant.
FU then.
> out, giving advice and spreading knowledge - sometimes my posts in
> newsgroups really do make a difference to people. I also am the kind of
> guy that catches spiders in a glass and puts them out the door, rather
> than squashing them - even if it's unlikely that the spider will learn
> anything, or thank me.
Spiders are member of the tick family, and distantly related to
lobsters. Most have a limited life so they would have died shortly
anyway, but they thank you. Wolf spiders with the numerous eyes are
the coolest, next to tarantulas, IMO.
>
> I'm not going to argue user percentages with you, but people avoid Linux
> because they don't know about it, they don't understand it, they find it
> unfamiliar, they don't think it will run the software they need, or -
> the biggest reason - their PC supplier, shop, IT department, etc., won't
> provide it. There are many good reasons for not running Linux, and even
> more bad ones - but "don't trust Linux" doesn't even rate under the list
> of bad reasons.
Whatever, OK.
>
> Neither Ubuntu nor Mint are specialised for Live CD sessions, but both
> will work perfectly well Live. Just to be absolutely sure, I've just
> booted Mint as a Live CD in a VirtualBox machine (with only 512 MB ram,
> but a faster processor and a fast virtual CD drive) - surfing works
> fine, including watching flash videos.
>
OK I'll let you know.
> >> For newbies, or
> >> people who want something that just works, I generally recommend Mint.
>
> >> <http://linuxmint.com/>
Tx. I used the mirror in Crete to download and for once it was quick
(20 minutes). Usually because of network congestion it takes hours
here, even with DSL.
>
> I have no grounds for speculating about your windows experiences, but
> you are a newbie at Linux. A lot has changed in the Linux world in the
> last ten or twelve years (when NT 4 was fashionable) - you can pretty
> much forget anything you learned from a little messing around at that time.
Right. Linux, like Brazil, always has a bright future but not so
bright present.
>
> Mint will make it easy to get started with Linux, but is in no way a
> limited distribution, and works fine for experts too.
Good.
Thanks again.
RL
RayLopez99
>
> Good.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> RL
Update: FYI. Also made into a separate post. Oh I know--I'm an evil
troll and this is all so unfair. Just reporting the facts though.
RL
Tried Linux Mint today on the Live CD. I had just downloaded this
Live CD and burned it today, so it's the latest version.
First, and foremost it turns out, it had a great, beautiful splash
screen. Nice graphics. I also develop apps for Windows and I can
tell
you making a program look good is a big deal. Hat's off to the
graphic artist, whoever he or she was.
Trouble is, nothing else much happened. I am also thankful that the
programmers did not do something stupid like try and automatically
reformat my Windows XP OS HD on my Pentium IV 2.4 GHz with 2 GB RAM
and install Mint without me wanting it. Be thankful for small
favors
when in Linux hell I guess.
Just to confirm that I'm not making this up, here are my notes I took
on bootup: initially, a small Mint logo with the words 'from freedom
came elegance' appears, followed by five or so dots that blink; then,
2:45 seconds later (unacceptably long, and longer than Windows XP
takes on my machine) you get a menu, which has icons for 'install
Linux' and system monitor icons. Again, nice artwork. From the
lower
left button, you can click and see the logo for Firefox. Right
clicking it, you see "Launch" which is what I did. Firefox did
launch, tried to find the Mint website, and failed. I typed in
Google.com as the URL and it also failed. I checked the system icon
and it did find "Auto etho0" and did recognize my ethernet card, I
could tell from the manufacturer.
Any ideas why I could not access the internet? Upon reboot into
Windows, I found the net no problem as evidenced by this post.
Some speculation: perhaps my ISP, Otenet here in Athens, Greece,
requires some sort of special drivers for Linux. I did load Windows
XP with a driver on a CD that came from them initially, to configure
my SpeedTouch DSL modem, a generic and popular DSL modem. But I
thought I was told Linux LiveCd can allow you to surf right off the
CD? Why the fail then?
Any advice "appreciated". As for now, I'm sticking to Windows and
will recommend Windows to this girl that needs my help setting up her
system, which also is a Pentium IV but with 1 GB RAM.
RL
David Brown
> On Nov 24, 11:26 am, David Brown<da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
> wrote:
>> On 23/11/2010 21:17, RayLopez99 wrote:
>> Having read my reply above, do you now see why people don't like giving
>> you advice? You "fly off the handle", and spend more time and effort
>> insulting people and/or Linux than you do reading people's posts and the
>> links they give. I believe my advice was clear, and anyone making a
>> reasonable effort would find out about the Live DVD. But you are
>> determined to find fault in everything and everyone, and to misinterpret
>> every comment in the worst possible way.
>
> Of course I do. Largely I troll bait the (l)users at COLA. But this
> time I was serious, and but for you and a few others Linux would have
> lost a potential 'customer'. Part of that fabled 1% market share.
>
Being a well-known and self-admitted troll, it is unreasonable for you
to expect serious answers to questions. People will assume you are
trolling (and I am still reasonably convinced you are trolling here in
this thread too - I am giving useful advice because there is still some
small chance that you are serious).
> Let me be clear: *I* don't plan on switching to Linux. But for this
> non-power casual user, she might find Linux useful, *if* it works in
> Live CD mode (probably I'll tell her: to surf the net, use LiveCD.
> But to do Serious Work (since she does know how to use Word), bootup
> without the CD and use Windows XP. I think she'll understand but it's
> hard to say. I'll see if and when I get the LiveCD working).
>
Careful - you are loosing that small level of doubt.
A Linux Live CD is a good way to get an idea about Linux. It is also a
useful tool if you are a bit paranoid, or if you want to fix a broken
computer, you want software that won't run on the installed OS, or have
other reasons to want to use a computer without affecting any
installation. But it is not a good solution for long-term use (for
surfing or anything else). It is slow to boot, slow to start programs,
inconvenient for storing information like bookmarks, cookies, etc. (you
need a USB stick or something similar), it will be out of date for
updates, and you need to download and re-install any additional software
every time you boot. So it's a temporary measure for you or other users
to see how it looks - then you either install it or forget it.
Secondly, people do "Serious Work" on Linux all the time. I work with
both Linux and Windows - I couldn't do my job with either one alone.
Most of the software I use daily is cross-platform and open source, and
runs happily on either OS, but some tools only work well on one of them.
The majority of people who use simple office tools like Word or Excel
would be perfectly happy with Open Office. There are a few things that
Word does better than Writer, and a few things that Writer does better
than Word. But for the most part, a user of one office suite can switch
to the other without too much trouble. Personally, I have not used MS
Word for over fifteen years.
For most users, especially home users, the only windows programs they
have that don't have close Linux equivalents, and don't run well under
Wine, are games (many of which can be made to run under Wine with some
effort).
>>
>> I am not interested in compliments - I know what I am good at.
>
> What? Good for nothing. Sorry.
>
>> I am not
>> bothered by insults - I know when they are not relevant.
>
> FU then.
>
That's not even an insult - it's just being rude for the sake of it.
It's the sort of thing a badly raised teenager might say. But a final
warning - insults or rudeness (on Usenet, anyway) don't bother me, but
they don't encourage me to give help.
>> out, giving advice and spreading knowledge - sometimes my posts in
>> newsgroups really do make a difference to people. I also am the kind of
>> guy that catches spiders in a glass and puts them out the door, rather
>> than squashing them - even if it's unlikely that the spider will learn
>> anything, or thank me.
>
> Spiders are member of the tick family, and distantly related to
> lobsters. Most have a limited life so they would have died shortly
> anyway, but they thank you. Wolf spiders with the numerous eyes are
> the coolest, next to tarantulas, IMO.
>
If you don't know anything about spiders, ticks and lobsters, then I
recommend you either keep quiet about them or look them up on Wikipedia
before spouting nonsense. It's better to keep quite and be thought a
fool, than to open your mouth and prove it.
Ticks and spiders are separate orders within the class Arachnida. To
put it in terms of a family tree, ticks and spiders are siblings,
children of the class Arachnida. Lobsters are not arachnids, but share
a common grandfather the phylum Arthropoda. All but a few percent of
all species are also in the phylum Arthropoda, and are therefore roughly
speaking as closely related as spiders and lobsters.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthropod>
A great many species of spiders have eight eyes, not just wolf spiders.
But you are entitled to your opinion as to which spiders are coolest.
RayLopez99
wrote:
>
> A Linux Live CD is a good way to get an idea about Linux. It is also a
> useful tool if you are a bit paranoid, or if you want to fix a broken
> computer, you want software that won't run on the installed OS, or have
> other reasons to want to use a computer without affecting any
> installation. But it is not a good solution for long-term use (for
> surfing or anything else). It is slow to boot, slow to start programs,
> inconvenient for storing information like bookmarks, cookies, etc. (you
> need a USB stick or something similar), it will be out of date for
> updates, and you need to download and re-install any additional software
> every time you boot. So it's a temporary measure for you or other users
> to see how it looks - then you either install it or forget it.
Brown--I appreciate your effort, but it failed. I cannot, using
LiveCD, get my computer to talk to the internet. That is a fact. No
amount of name-calling will change that. Whether I'm a troll or not
is irrelevant. Any suggestions on how I can get Linux to talk to the
net is appreciated. Any talk about how using your CD is not as
optimal as using a HD is irrelevant.
>
> Secondly, people do "Serious Work" on Linux all the time. I work with
> both Linux and Windows - I couldn't do my job with either one alone.
> Most of the software I use daily is cross-platform and open source, and
> runs happily on either OS, but some tools only work well on one of them.
>
> The majority of people who use simple office tools like Word or Excel
> would be perfectly happy with Open Office. There are a few things that
> Word does better than Writer, and a few things that Writer does better
> than Word. But for the most part, a user of one office suite can switch
> to the other without too much trouble. Personally, I have not used MS
> Word for over fifteen years.
Right. But this topic of Serious Work is complicated and addressed in
another thread that COLA members are aware of. This is not the place
to discuss this topic. In a nutshell, I define Serious Work as work
done by software that has at least 90% market share. That would be
the Office suite. That way there's no compatibility issues when
workers swap files. Even though Open Office is 99.9% compatible (for
the sake of argument--it's not really, but let's say it is), by
definition 99.9% is not 100%
> > Spiders are member of the tick family, and distantly related to
> > lobsters. Most have a limited life so they would have died shortly
> > anyway, but they thank you. Wolf spiders with the numerous eyes are
> > the coolest, next to tarantulas, IMO.
>
> If you don't know anything about spiders, ticks and lobsters, then I
> recommend you either keep quiet about them or look them up on Wikipedia
> before spouting nonsense. It's better to keep quite and be thought a
> fool, than to open your mouth and prove it.
>
> Ticks and spiders are separate orders within the class Arachnida. To
> put it in terms of a family tree, ticks and spiders are siblings,
> children of the class Arachnida. Lobsters are not arachnids, but share
> a common grandfather the phylum Arthropoda. All but a few percent of
> all species are also in the phylum Arthropoda, and are therefore roughly
> speaking as closely related as spiders and lobsters.
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthropod>
>
> A great many species of spiders have eight eyes, not just wolf spiders.
> But you are entitled to your opinion as to which spiders are coolest.
>
So essentially I was correct. But that's for your fine tune
parsing.
RL
Phil Gilmer
> Subject line says it all. Or Live DVD, if there is such a thing.
> Assume a modern PC, with lots of RAM, etc, that runs Windows off the
> hard drive and no I don't want to dual boot.
>
> RL
>
> I formatted a PC and made an Ubuntu CD with the intent of giving Linux
> another try. But when it came down to it I just put the Windows 7 in
> the
> drive once more. I had my aim set but could not pull the trigger.
> They say
> I have elements of Linux in my iPhone and microwave and garage door
> opener
> so I suppose that will have to do.
>
> I admire all of the hard work and noble intent that goes into Linux
> but it
> is just too lame for a regular desktop user.
>
> But so long as I went to the trouble to make the CD I may try to run
> it from
> the CD one of these days. I do like the web browser and the email
> program.
I am going to wade into this for a couple of reasons:
1) Ubuntu and its derivatives are not perfect. I do NOT have modern
equipment, yet I have had problems with Ubuntu, specifically with video
drivers--I can't get Ubuntu configured higher than 800x600.
2) I have seen a lot of name-calling and gratuitous insults, but I have
seen no one ask for (nor offer) any details as to connection, network
hardware and so forth. Most of us know that not all network hardware is
supported in LiveCD versions, though you might be able to get it to work
if you install it.
So--
1) What kind of network hardware is in your PC--Realtek, Broadcom,
whatever? The 'dmesg' will usually tell you, e.g.
e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.5.23-k4-NAPI
e100: Copyright(c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation
e100 0000:02:08.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LNKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low)
-> IRQ 11
e100 0000:02:08.0: PME# disabled
e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0x40100000, irq 11, MAC addr
00:d0:b7:b1:ba:9c
e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex
NET: Registered protocol family 10
eth0: no IPv6 routers present
The Intel E100 is supported. Broadcom has been, until recently, problematic.
2) What output do you get with the 'ifconfig' command (note: use sudo
for Ubuntu)?
root@checkers:~# sudo ifconfig
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:d0:b7:b1:ba:9c
inet addr:192.168.0.100 Bcast:192.168.0.255
Mask:255.255.255.0
inet6 addr: fe80::2d0:b7ff:feb1:ba9c/64 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:3064855 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
frame:0
TX packets:2040734 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:3298210179 (3.0 GiB) TX bytes:305178881
(291.0 MiB)
3) What is your networking configuration? Wired? WiFi? If WiFi, is
connection WEB or WPA?
I have been using Mepis Linux (currently version 8.0) for several years
now. I chose it originally over other Linux distributions because a) it
was one of the very first LiveCD distros I had ever seen, which made it
easy to test, and b) the wireless support worked out of the box with my
NetGear PRISM-based network adapter.
Phil
David Brown
> On Nov 24, 4:26 pm, David Brown<da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> A Linux Live CD is a good way to get an idea about Linux. It is also a
>> useful tool if you are a bit paranoid, or if you want to fix a broken
>> computer, you want software that won't run on the installed OS, or have
>> other reasons to want to use a computer without affecting any
>> installation. But it is not a good solution for long-term use (for
>> surfing or anything else). It is slow to boot, slow to start programs,
>> inconvenient for storing information like bookmarks, cookies, etc. (you
>> need a USB stick or something similar), it will be out of date for
>> updates, and you need to download and re-install any additional software
>> every time you boot. So it's a temporary measure for you or other users
>> to see how it looks - then you either install it or forget it.
>
> Brown--I appreciate your effort, but it failed. I cannot, using
> LiveCD, get my computer to talk to the internet. That is a fact. No
This is addressed in another thread. But to summarise, if you have a
network set up with standard DHCP, like most networks, then Linux
(LiveCD or installed versions) will work straight away on the network -
just like Windows will if it has drivers for your network card. The
difference is that Linux has network card drivers built in for almost
all network cards, while windows needs an extra installation for most cards.
On the other hand, when you have a network connection that needs a
particular setup, such as PPPoE, you have to set it up and enter the
connection information (username, password, etc.). This applies to
Linux and Windows. The difference is that Linux has the support
built-in, while Windows needs it as extra add-in software.
> amount of name-calling will change that. Whether I'm a troll or not
> is irrelevant. Any suggestions on how I can get Linux to talk to the
> net is appreciated. Any talk about how using your CD is not as
> optimal as using a HD is irrelevant.
>
Ah, so suggestions to help you use Linux or telling you what you can
expect are not useful? Weird.
>>
>> Secondly, people do "Serious Work" on Linux all the time. I work with
>> both Linux and Windows - I couldn't do my job with either one alone.
>> Most of the software I use daily is cross-platform and open source, and
>> runs happily on either OS, but some tools only work well on one of them.
>>
>> The majority of people who use simple office tools like Word or Excel
>> would be perfectly happy with Open Office. There are a few things that
>> Word does better than Writer, and a few things that Writer does better
>> than Word. But for the most part, a user of one office suite can switch
>> to the other without too much trouble. Personally, I have not used MS
>> Word for over fifteen years.
>
> Right. But this topic of Serious Work is complicated and addressed in
> another thread that COLA members are aware of. This is not the place
> to discuss this topic. In a nutshell, I define Serious Work as work
> done by software that has at least 90% market share. That would be
You can define Serious Work as playing Minesweeper, if you want. That
doesn't mean it has the slightest connection to reality.
Is a car only a "Serious Car" if it has 90% market share - all the rest
being "toy cars"?
There are only a couple of areas in software in which there is a 90%+
dominant supplier. Office software is not one of them - accurate
figures are hard to come by, but an estimate of 80% for MS Office seems
to be a popular average figure from sources with no obvious bias (i.e.,
neither MS-sponsored surveys, nor Linux web sites). Open Office has
between 5% and 25%, varying widely by country.
And of course, plenty of "serious work" is done by people other than
using a word processor.
> the Office suite. That way there's no compatibility issues when
> workers swap files. Even though Open Office is 99.9% compatible (for
> the sake of argument--it's not really, but let's say it is), by
> definition 99.9% is not 100%
>
You are joking, I take it. Have you ever passed documents between
different versions of MS Office? Or had documents using non-standard
fonts? I will not deny that there are sometimes compatibility issues
opening MS format documents with Open Office - but no one could
seriously deny having similar issues with files transferred between
different MS Office versions.
>
>
>>> Spiders are member of the tick family, and distantly related to
>>> lobsters. Most have a limited life so they would have died shortly
>>> anyway, but they thank you. Wolf spiders with the numerous eyes are
>>> the coolest, next to tarantulas, IMO.
>>
>> If you don't know anything about spiders, ticks and lobsters, then I
>> recommend you either keep quiet about them or look them up on Wikipedia
>> before spouting nonsense. It's better to keep quite and be thought a
>> fool, than to open your mouth and prove it.
>>
>> Ticks and spiders are separate orders within the class Arachnida. To
>> put it in terms of a family tree, ticks and spiders are siblings,
>> children of the class Arachnida. Lobsters are not arachnids, but share
>> a common grandfather the phylum Arthropoda. All but a few percent of
>> all species are also in the phylum Arthropoda, and are therefore roughly
>> speaking as closely related as spiders and lobsters.
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthropod>
>>
>> A great many species of spiders have eight eyes, not just wolf spiders.
>> But you are entitled to your opinion as to which spiders are coolest.
>>
>
> So essentially I was correct. But that's for your fine tune
> parsing.
>
No, essentially you were totally wrong. Try reading again.
Norman Peelman
Unbelievable...
>> I am not
>> bothered by insults - I know when they are not relevant.
>
> FU then.
>
You are a lousy prick!
One lousy comment after another...
Norman Peelman
> On Nov 24, 11:26 am, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
> wrote:
>> On 23/11/2010 21:17, RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>> If you are in Athens, you might be interested to know that Ubuntu, like
>> most major distributions, supports Greek (and something like 60 more
>> languages) straight off the CD. You can make your choice at bootup for
>> LiveCD use, and if you install it you can mix and match languages as you
>> fancy.
>
> I speak and write Greek but it's a difficult language and I prefer
> English.
>
...and you don't comprehend any of them.
Norman Peelman
So funny... you actually compare the boot time of a Linux LiveCD to
you hard-drive install of Windows XP... Hilarious indeed!
> Again, nice artwork. From the lower left button, you can click
> and see the logo for Firefox. Right
> clicking it, you see "Launch" which is what I did. Firefox did
> launch, tried to find the Mint website, and failed. I typed in
> Google.com as the URL and it also failed. I checked the system icon
> and it did find "Auto etho0" and did recognize my ethernet card, I
> could tell from the manufacturer.
> Any ideas why I could not access the internet?
Yes, you are stupid...
> Upon reboot into
> Windows, I found the net no problem as evidenced by this post.
> Some speculation: perhaps my ISP, Otenet here in Athens, Greece,
> requires some sort of special drivers for Linux. I did load Windows
>
Yes, special 'Internet' drivers... that must be it.
> XP with a driver on a CD that came from them initially, to configure
> my SpeedTouch DSL modem, a generic and popular DSL modem. But I
> thought I was told Linux LiveCd can allow you to surf right off the
> CD? Why the fail then?
> Any advice "appreciated". As for now, I'm sticking to Windows and
> will recommend Windows to this girl that needs my help setting up her
> system, which also is a Pentium IV but with 1 GB RAM.
> RL
I would suggest to her that you not 'help'.
Norman Peelman
I'm sure that small level has been lost by now.
Nothing but cheep shots at well intentioned and truthful information.
David,
RayLopez99 had no intention of giving anything close to a positive
review.
Norman Peelman
> On Nov 24, 4:26 pm, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A Linux Live CD is a good way to get an idea about Linux. It is also a
>> useful tool if you are a bit paranoid, or if you want to fix a broken
>> computer, you want software that won't run on the installed OS, or have
>> other reasons to want to use a computer without affecting any
>> installation. But it is not a good solution for long-term use (for
>> surfing or anything else). It is slow to boot, slow to start programs,
>> inconvenient for storing information like bookmarks, cookies, etc. (you
>> need a USB stick or something similar), it will be out of date for
>> updates, and you need to download and re-install any additional software
>> every time you boot. So it's a temporary measure for you or other users
>> to see how it looks - then you either install it or forget it.
>
> Brown--I appreciate your effort, but it failed. I cannot, using
> LiveCD, get my computer to talk to the internet. That is a fact. No
> amount of name-calling will change that. Whether I'm a troll or not
> is irrelevant. Any suggestions on how I can get Linux to talk to the
> net is appreciated. Any talk about how using your CD is not as
> optimal as using a HD is irrelevant.
>
What name-calling?
I swear... I'm seriously thinking you are related to Skybuck Flying.
ray
thousands of folks accomplish every day. Amazing!
RayLopez99
Phil--for your data banks (FYI):
I got Mint Linux LiveCD to connect to the net today (check this
header, I'm posting from inside Linux). What I did: simply attached
an Asus hub inbetween the wired, DSL Speedtouch modem and the NIC on
the Pentium IV. That's it. A suggestion from "Wizard of OZ" on either
this or another thread, forget now. He implied the answer, that
another layer of network addresses was needed. No I don't know what
I'm talking about! But it works.
RL
RayLopez99
<david.br...@removethisbit.hesbynett.no> wrote:
>
> This is addressed in another thread. But to summarise, if you have a
> network set up with standard DHCP, like most networks, then Linux
> (LiveCD or installed versions) will work straight away on the network -
> just like Windows will if it has drivers for your network card. The
> difference is that Linux has network card drivers built in for almost
> all network cards, while windows needs an extra installation for most cards.
>
> On the other hand, when you have a network connection that needs a
> particular setup, such as PPPoE, you have to set it up and enter the
> connection information (username, password, etc.). This applies to
> Linux and Windows. The difference is that Linux has the support
> built-in, while Windows needs it as extra add-in software.
WRONG. First, I thank you for your help. You got the ball rolling.
But "Wizard of Oz" solved this problem. See this thread to Phil
Gilmer and others: I simply attached an Asus hub (yes, hub, Gx100,
five ports, autoconfigure on the back) inbetween the Speedtouch DSL
modem and the NIC card on the Pentium. Booted from Linux Mint LiveCD
and here I am. Like Oz said, perhaps having an intermediary for
addresses helps, and it did.
> >> Secondly, people do "Serious Work" on Linux all the time. I work with
> >> both Linux and Windows - I couldn't do my job with either one alone.
> >> Most of the software I use daily is cross-platform and open source, and
> >> runs happily on either OS, but some tools only work well on one of them.
>
> >> The majority of people who use simple office tools like Word or Excel
> >> would be perfectly happy with Open Office. There are a few things that
> >> Word does better than Writer, and a few things that Writer does better
> >> than Word. But for the most part, a user of one office suite can switch
> >> to the other without too much trouble. Personally, I have not used MS
> >> Word for over fifteen years.
>
> > Right. But this topic of Serious Work is complicated and addressed in
> > another thread that COLA members are aware of. This is not the place
> > to discuss this topic. In a nutshell, I define Serious Work as work
> > done by software that has at least 90% market share. That would be
>
> You can define Serious Work as playing Minesweeper, if you want. That
> doesn't mean it has the slightest connection to reality.
WRONG. Again, you are not paying attention. "Connection to reality"
is irrelevant. I've worked in corporations, in government, in private
firms, for myself. Work is work. It may or may not have anything to
do with reality. Or be important. But the bottom line: when
everybody is on the same page, and yes, that means having everybody
use the latest version of Office (yes, I realise Office does have
incompatibilities between versions, though not as many as you might
think, and I routinely switch between Office 2009 (or is it 10? I'm
not logged on so I forget now) and 2003 without a hiccup),
productivity soars.
>
> Is a car only a "Serious Car" if it has 90% market share - all the rest
> being "toy cars"?
Yes, yes it is. Try driving a specialised car in Africa with no after-
market support--you'll be burned. BTW, right-context just showed up
in Linux Firefox...so it must be the slow CD that was at fault, not
the fact it is missing as per my earlier post. See, I correct my
mistakes, unlike you Mr. Brown who tries to maintain a farcical
'united front'. Popular in near third world countries like Greece, or
where you're posting from.
>
> There are only a couple of areas in software in which there is a 90%+
> dominant supplier. Office software is not one of them - accurate
> figures are hard to come by, but an estimate of 80% for MS Office seems
> to be a popular average figure from sources with no obvious bias (i.e.,
> neither MS-sponsored surveys, nor Linux web sites). Open Office has
> between 5% and 25%, varying widely by country.
80% is better than 1% anyday.
>
> And of course, plenty of "serious work" is done by people other than
> using a word processor.
That's "Important Work". And as I showed in another thread, anything
done by Linux can be done by Windows or Unix or Mac, so by definition
it cannot be important work in Linux.
>
> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthropod>
>
> >> A great many species of spiders have eight eyes, not just wolf spiders.
> >> But you are entitled to your opinion as to which spiders are coolest.
>
> > So essentially I was correct. But that's for your fine tune
> > parsing.
>
> No, essentially you were totally wrong. Try reading again.
So, a Google scholar. And for a moment I had you pegged as a
biologist.
RL
RayLopez99
>
> I swear... I'm seriously thinking you are related to Skybuck Flying.
>
> --
> Norman
> Registered Linux user #461062
> AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 8.04 64bit
Norman Peed... man what a loser!
if (Verbal_diarrhoea == NormanPeelman) { Plonk(Norm);}
PLONK.
RL
Matt Giwer
> Subject line says it all. Or Live DVD, if there is such a thing.
> Assume a modern PC, with lots of RAM, etc, that runs Windows off the
> hard drive and no I don't want to dual boot.
Obviously your understanding of computers is insufficient to understand the
reasons for using linux.
You are best advised to stop worrying about it and stick with MS products.
--
Yes, I am lying. But hear me out. I have better lies than my opposition.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4286
http://www.giwersworld.org/holo2/ a11
Sat Nov 27 10:49:11 EST 2010
Edward A. Falk
RayLopez99 <raylo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Subject line says it all. Or Live DVD, if there is such a thing.
>Assume a modern PC, with lots of RAM, etc, that runs Windows off the
>hard drive and no I don't want to dual boot.
I'm doing it right now from an Ubuntu 9.04 CD. I've also done it
with the 10.10 and 10.04 cds (I'm currently testing to see which
version works best on my new computer before installing it.)
It tends to be a little slow because the live CD doesn't contain
a driver for the Nvidia card I'm using for graphics. And of course,
you can't save any settings past the next reboot.
--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/